Post by: 180-GRAIN on February 15, 2019, 03:54:45 PM
Post by: WildlifeAssassin on February 15, 2019, 04:14:12 PM
Post by: JakeLand on February 15, 2019, 04:33:27 PM
With a permit you can use body grip in water
Post by: Born2late on February 15, 2019, 04:45:02 PM
They must not have been hidden to good if you were able to find multiples of them buried in the snow.
Post by: Cougartail on February 15, 2019, 04:50:40 PM
Post by: greenhead_killer on February 15, 2019, 04:54:14 PM
Post by: dreamunelk on February 15, 2019, 05:34:23 PM
If someone else finds or a dog gets caught they will just say a trapper did it. Report it so they can say a trapper/ hunter found and reported criminal behavior.
Post by: 180-GRAIN on February 15, 2019, 05:39:29 PM
Not legal.
They must not have been hidden to good if you were able to find multiples of them buried in the snow.
Marked and very easy to see
Post by: Tracker0721 on February 15, 2019, 06:14:13 PM
Post by: h20hunter on February 15, 2019, 06:18:03 PM
Post by: KFhunter on February 15, 2019, 06:27:11 PM
I wonder if it would be WDFW bios trying to collar more wolves?
were they rubber jaws?
It doesn't sound like a rogue trapper whose traps would NOT be marked OR easy to see.
Post by: 180-GRAIN on February 15, 2019, 06:29:37 PM
Post by: Humptulips on February 15, 2019, 06:46:16 PM
As mentioned you can get a special trapping permit but you cannot get one to set conibears on dry land.
Post by: KFhunter on February 15, 2019, 06:48:22 PM
Post by: 180-GRAIN on February 15, 2019, 07:04:47 PM
Do not mess with them. Let Enforcement figure it out. It is unlikely but they could be legal. Tribal members can set these type traps on land. Also APHIS is not required to follow the law on bodygripping traps however they do voluntarily to my knowledge.
As mentioned you can get a special trapping permit but you cannot get one to set conibears on dry land.
Can they use them on other than tribal land?
Post by: Skyvalhunter on February 15, 2019, 07:15:14 PM
Post by: The scout on February 15, 2019, 07:26:53 PM
Post by: 180-GRAIN on February 15, 2019, 07:33:07 PM
Most likely just from posting it on here you will be getting knock at the door and you will be reporting it weather you wanted to or not
I called it in and left a message. Got a number for a warden I will try tomorrow if I don’t get a call back.
Post by: KFhunter on February 15, 2019, 07:33:14 PM
Do not mess with them. Let Enforcement figure it out. It is unlikely but they could be legal. Tribal members can set these type traps on land. Also APHIS is not required to follow the law on bodygripping traps however they do voluntarily to my knowledge.
As mentioned you can get a special trapping permit but you cannot get one to set conibears on dry land.
Can they use them on other than tribal land?
ceded lands
Post by: 180-GRAIN on February 15, 2019, 07:34:07 PM
Was this area away from private property not that it matters much.
Yeah a few were on my company’s property so that’s a different issue in itself.
Post by: Kit Carson on February 15, 2019, 08:32:49 PM
Any body grip on dry land is illegal regardless of tags or no tags
With a permit you can use body grip in water
Nope, wrong. :pee:
Rubber padded legholds with tags and permit on dry land....Legal
Post by: JakeLand on February 16, 2019, 06:43:10 AM
rubber padded leg holds aren’t body grips now are they !!! Body grips ( conibear traps ) can ONLY be in water :bash:Any body grip on dry land is illegal regardless of tags or no tags
With a permit you can use body grip in water
Nope, wrong. :pee:
Rubber padded legholds with tags and permit on dry land....Legal
Post by: Tracker0721 on February 16, 2019, 07:09:04 AM
Post by: wags on February 16, 2019, 07:58:36 AM
Most likely it's a wannabe who found them in his grandfather's garage and doesn't have a clue what he's doing, probably doesn't even know what he's doing is illegal.
Post by: Humptulips on February 16, 2019, 10:03:05 AM
I doubt it's really a fur trapper who set these traps, if that were the case you probably wouldn't have found them so easily.:yeah:
Most likely it's a wannabe who found them in his grandfather's garage and doesn't have a clue what he's doing, probably doesn't even know what he's doing is illegal.
Post by: 180-GRAIN on February 16, 2019, 12:18:31 PM
Post by: SuperX on February 16, 2019, 12:22:11 PM
Post by: KFhunter on February 16, 2019, 12:34:13 PM
Turns out there is a USDA trapper running this line. Just talked to a warden. He was going to contact the trapper though. I assume because of the no ID tags and maybe the fact they were out for who knows how long?
good job getting to the bottom of it :tup:
Post by: Born2late on February 16, 2019, 03:49:33 PM
Turns out there is a USDA trapper running this line. Just talked to a warden. He was going to contact the trapper though. I assume because of the no ID tags and maybe the fact they were out for who knows how long?You said they were on your company's land. Did he get called by them to trap or was he not on the correct property?
I don't know much about how they work.Who calls them and why?
Post by: WildlifeAssassin on February 16, 2019, 05:11:52 PM
Post by: Kit Carson on February 16, 2019, 07:06:31 PM
rubber padded leg holds aren’t body grips now are they !!! Body grips ( conibear traps ) can ONLY be in water :bash:Any body grip on dry land is illegal regardless of tags or no tags
With a permit you can use body grip in water
Nope, wrong. :pee:
Rubber padded legholds with tags and permit on dry land....Legal
Now are they? Here's the WA legal terms.
:pee:
"Body-gripping trap" as defined by RCW 77.15.192 means a trap that grips an animal's body or body part. Body-gripping trap includes, but is not limited to, steel-jawed leghold traps, padded-jaw leghold or padded foot-hold traps, Conibear traps, neck snares, and nonstrangling foot snares.
Post by: huntingfool7 on February 16, 2019, 08:09:10 PM
One was showing up out of the snow because it was sprung. Conibear for sure and on land. There were water sets as well. Can a state hired trapper use the old style traps by chance?
What is the USDA targeting?x2 Would like to know what USDA is targeting with conibears on land. Were the water sets conibears?
Post by: 180-GRAIN on February 17, 2019, 08:41:11 AM
One was showing up out of the snow because it was sprung. Conibear for sure and on land. There were water sets as well. Can a state hired trapper use the old style traps by chance?What is the USDA targeting?x2 Would like to know what USDA is targeting with conibears on land. Were the water sets conibears?
Yes they were all conibears. It seemed like they were targeting beaver.
Post by: 180-GRAIN on February 17, 2019, 08:43:04 AM
Post by: huntingfool7 on February 17, 2019, 08:44:50 AM
Post by: Rainier10 on February 17, 2019, 08:45:14 AM
Post by: Special T on February 17, 2019, 08:59:44 AM
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Post by: Cylvertip on February 17, 2019, 09:03:15 AM
Requirements for conibears changed not that long ago. From "submerged in water" to "in water". They can be set in a puddle, per that change, away from a body of water.
Was this in the city limits for Marysville by chance? They had USDA on contract for problem animals.
Post by: Cougartail on February 17, 2019, 09:14:42 AM
When I have run into USDA traps in the past, they were meant to follow the rules of the WCO permits. That was several years ago.
Requirements for conibears changed not that long ago. From "submerged in water" to "in water". They can be set in a puddle, per that change, away from a body of water.
Was this in the city limits for Marysville by chance? They had USDA on contract for-profit animals.
The original text of I-713 was "in water".
Post by: 180-GRAIN on February 17, 2019, 09:18:44 AM
When I have run into USDA traps in the past, they were meant to follow the rules of the WCO permits. That was several years ago.
Requirements for conibears changed not that long ago. From "submerged in water" to "in water". They can be set in a puddle, per that change, away from a body of water.
Was this in the city limits for Marysville by chance? They had USDA on contract for-profit animals.
Nope it was up by Acme.
Post by: Cylvertip on February 17, 2019, 09:28:35 AM
When I have run into USDA traps in the past, they were meant to follow the rules of the WCO permits. That was several years ago.
Requirements for conibears changed not that long ago. From "submerged in water" to "in water". They can be set in a puddle, per that change, away from a body of water.
Was this in the city limits for Marysville by chance? They had USDA on contract for-profit animals.
The original text of I-713 was "in water".
Yeah, the change was on the wording of the WCO permits.
Post by: Humptulips on February 17, 2019, 02:49:49 PM
Confusion about the word bodygripping is understandable because the common usage has always been a description of conibears type traps. The legal description in WA though includes all traps except cage and box traps, suitcase type beaver traps and common rat and mouse traps.