Found a possible illegal line?

[Kit Carson]

Any body grip on dry land is illegal regardless of tags or no tags
With a permit you can use body grip in water

Nope, wrong. 
Rubber padded legholds with tags and permit on dry land....Legal

rubber padded leg holds aren’t body grips now are they !!! Body grips ( conibear traps ) can ONLY be in water 

Now are they? Here's the WA legal terms.

 

"Body-gripping trap" as defined by RCW 77.15.192 means a trap that grips an animal's body or body part. Body-gripping trap includes, but is not limited to, steel-jawed leghold traps, padded-jaw leghold or padded foot-hold traps, Conibear traps, neck snares, and nonstrangling foot snares.

[huntingfool7]

One was showing up out of the snow because it was sprung. Conibear for sure and on land. There were water sets as well. Can a state hired trapper use the old style traps by chance?

What is the USDA targeting?

x2  Would like to know what USDA is targeting with conibears on land.   Were the water sets conibears?

[180-GRAIN]

One was showing up out of the snow because it was sprung. Conibear for sure and on land. There were water sets as well. Can a state hired trapper use the old style traps by chance?

What is the USDA targeting?

x2  Would like to know what USDA is targeting with conibears on land.   Were the water sets conibears?

Yes they were all conibears. It seemed like they were targeting beaver.

[180-GRAIN]

New plot twist though! Just got another call from a warden. He said he’s going up to try and check the traps. He said they usually issue permits to the USDA trappers and there is not one on file for this guy.

[huntingfool7]

I'm surprised USDA is allowed to use conibears on dry land for beaver.  Were they 220 or 330 size?

[Rainier10]

Oh boy, stay tuned.

[Special T]

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[Cylvertip]

When I have run into USDA traps in the past, they were meant to follow the rules of the WCO permits.  That was several years ago. 

Requirements for conibears changed not that long ago.  From "submerged in water" to "in water".   They can be set in a puddle, per that change, away from a body of water.

Was this in the city limits for Marysville by chance?  They had USDA on contract for problem animals. 

[Cougartail]

When I have run into USDA traps in the past, they were meant to follow the rules of the WCO permits.  That was several years ago. 

Requirements for conibears changed not that long ago.  From "submerged in water" to "in water".   They can be set in a puddle, per that change, away from a body of water.

Was this in the city limits for Marysville by chance?  They had USDA on contract for-profit animals.

The original text of I-713 was "in water".

[180-GRAIN]

When I have run into USDA traps in the past, they were meant to follow the rules of the WCO permits.  That was several years ago. 

Requirements for conibears changed not that long ago.  From "submerged in water" to "in water".   They can be set in a puddle, per that change, away from a body of water.

Was this in the city limits for Marysville by chance?  They had USDA on contract for-profit animals.

Nope it was up by Acme.

[Cylvertip]

When I have run into USDA traps in the past, they were meant to follow the rules of the WCO permits.  That was several years ago. 

Requirements for conibears changed not that long ago.  From "submerged in water" to "in water".   They can be set in a puddle, per that change, away from a body of water.

Was this in the city limits for Marysville by chance?  They had USDA on contract for-profit animals.

The original text of I-713 was "in water".

Yeah, the change was on the wording of the WCO permits.

[Humptulips]

Prior to 2000 there was  a WAC that specified traps with a jaw spread of greater then 7 inches had to be submerged in water so 280s and 330s had to be submerged. Sometime after I-713 passed that WAC was deleted and the wording of the Initiative was substituted which is "in water" . USDA does not have to abide by any provisions of I-713. If they do it is voluntary.
Confusion about the word bodygripping is understandable because the common usage has always been a description of conibears type traps. The legal description in WA though includes all traps except cage and box traps, suitcase type beaver traps and common rat and mouse traps.