Post by: T-Dozzer on February 17, 2019, 09:42:28 PM
Family of 4. Will see snow and occasional mountain roads, but mostly payment.
Thanks
Post by: Duckslayer89 on February 17, 2019, 09:47:43 PM
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Post by: Stein on February 17, 2019, 10:27:56 PM
Personally, I would jump to the Suburban for the best utility unless you live in a city and are cramped for parking space.
If you are going on road trips, hauling stuff, camping or hunting in it or ever need to pull anything it isn't much of a choice.
Post by: Duckslayer89 on February 17, 2019, 10:37:12 PM
Post by: dscubame on February 17, 2019, 10:40:24 PM
Consumer Reports and you won't buy a Tahoe or Suburban. Toyota all day long. Sequoia or Land Cruiser if you want size bigger than 4 runner.
Post by: Stein on February 17, 2019, 11:39:33 PM
The Chevy engines run well and have cheap parts that are easy to work on. The transmissions have more limitations if you tow heavy stuff, but are fine for reasonable 1/2 to loads.
Look on Craigslist, more Suburbans with over 200k than you can shake a stick at.
My brother runs them as well as my dad. No major issues knock on wood. They are workhorses and reasonably priced unless you want a new one.
I don’t have experience with Toyota’s, never saw the need to pay more for less.
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Post by: BDildine on February 18, 2019, 12:10:19 AM
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Post by: MADMAX on February 18, 2019, 04:54:38 AM
the Tacoma tows anything I have
18ft Duckworth
20ft LW Travel trailer
Both have 4.0 motors and tow packages
very happy with both
Post by: Bucks2Ducks on February 18, 2019, 05:21:36 AM
Post by: opdinkslayer on February 18, 2019, 05:57:40 AM
I’ve had a suburban & it was a great rig but it was a 2000/1st gen 5.3. Got rid of it with 150,000 on it with no major maintenance. The gen2 5.3’s from like 07-11 has issues & blew up long before their time. I think the newer ones are better but don’t hold me to that. If you want more room with a great ride then a Tahoe or suburban is the way to go but definitely do your homework & realize it probably won’t go as many miles trouble free & will have crappy resale value when your done with it.
I currently have a 12 Toyota Tundra, my boy has a 17 Tacoma & buddy has a 11 Tacoma & a 14 4Runner. I can report 0 major issues with any of them. I’ve road in the 4Runner a few times,which is a limited, and it’s a nice rig but they are smaller. The 3rd row seating is not for older kids or adults so it don’t compare to a Tahoe/suburban on that front. Reliability is no contest as is resale. A sequoia would be the equivalent of a Tahoe but it will cost ya more & are gas hogs even tho it will destroy a 5.3 Tahoe in the power department.
If it suits your needs for hauling kids,cargo& towing then I would say get the 4Runner but if not do your homework on GM’s reliability in the model years your lookin at & get bigger. :twocents:
Post by: T-Dozzer on February 18, 2019, 11:01:11 AM
Thats how I narrowed it down to those 2.
Currently have a 2010 limited cherokee with the hemi for the family car. Man is it a POS! breaks down all the time!
When I say we will get used, but late model, I mean 16 or newer or w/ less than 30k on odometer.
After this stupid jeep that may have been cursed by a witch doctor, I want something dependable and will last a long time.
3rd seat would be a plus since our kids are still small. 3 & 5.
Post by: Scheindogg on February 18, 2019, 12:13:03 PM
I realize these aren’t all in the same category but my family/ I have owned-
‘94 corolla
‘01 Camry
‘08 rav4
‘12 Corolla
‘15 Camry
Other than body work from collisions,(none of which were me :hello: ) knock on wood, no repairs have been necessary for any of the vehicles outside of the usual battery/tires/ filters etc over time.
Like others have said though if you can find a model of the Tahoe that has been proven to be a good model year without major issues over time, and you need the towing/ size then that would be a better option.
Also know several ppl with 4runners new and old and all I’ve heard is awesome things
Post by: Mongo Hunter on February 18, 2019, 12:28:55 PM
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on February 18, 2019, 08:44:50 PM
Aside from 3rd row seating. There was nothing I used the Tahoe for, the 4 runner doesn't do better. Given the larger, more comfortable, and more powerful models you are discussing. Not sure it's even a comparison. If your going to tow, haul more than 5 with cargo, etc.... Step up to the suburban and don't consider the Tahoe. If planning on doing any aftermarket mods, the 4runner will really start to run away.
Post by: Buzz2401 on February 19, 2019, 11:46:04 AM
Post by: T-Dozzer on February 19, 2019, 12:17:25 PM
Longevity, maneuverability in city, and handeling in snow, mud & bumps are on the 4runners side. Im looking for one with a locking diff.
If Im spending around $40k, Ide like to keep it around for a while & not have it be a money
Anyone know which one is better safety wise? I know the Tahoe has the size advantage, but what about crash rating, traction contril etc..?
Post by: jackelope on February 19, 2019, 12:28:53 PM
Anyone know which one is better safety wise? I know the Tahoe has the size advantage, but what about crash rating, traction contril etc..?
https://www.nhtsa.gov/ratings
Post by: T-Dozzer on February 19, 2019, 02:47:06 PM
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Post by: builtfordtough on February 20, 2019, 03:54:32 PM
Post by: T-Dozzer on February 20, 2019, 03:57:40 PM
Another vote for Toyota here. Depending on the age you are looking at, if you go with a 4th gen (2003-2009) try and hold out for the V8. Gas mileage difference is minimal and the extra get up and go is nice to have.
2016 or newer. 4runner makes a v8?
Post by: Duckslayer89 on February 20, 2019, 04:04:35 PM
Another vote for Toyota here. Depending on the age you are looking at, if you go with a 4th gen (2003-2009) try and hold out for the V8. Gas mileage difference is minimal and the extra get up and go is nice to have.
Wish they still made a V8 4Runner! Or a V8 tacoma would be even cooler
Post by: JakeLand on February 20, 2019, 07:28:04 PM
Jake
Post by: jackelope on February 20, 2019, 08:12:40 PM
Post by: Alchase on February 20, 2019, 08:33:17 PM
Usually it was backseat down with dog in back.
I love our Murano, but I do miss the room of the Durango.
Post by: thinkingman on February 20, 2019, 11:16:17 PM
Does everything the Toy can do and does it better.
More comfortable, more power, real towing capability.
Toyota is the most overrated car on the road.
Post by: Duckslayer89 on February 20, 2019, 11:33:16 PM
Tahoe.
Does everything the Toy can do and does it better.
More comfortable, more power, real towing capability.
Toyota is the most overrated car on the road.
Lol couldn’t be more from the truth. The most bulletproof bad ass ride on the road and can’t be beat.
Post by: Spuddieselwwu on February 21, 2019, 12:52:40 AM
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Post by: T-Dozzer on February 21, 2019, 05:09:00 PM
Post by: mountainman on February 21, 2019, 05:38:16 PM
Post by: MADMAX on February 21, 2019, 07:14:44 PM
And you’re probably better off looking at a brand new one because we found that new versus used the price difference was minuscule
38K
SR5
Nice rig
Wife loves it
Post by: T-Dozzer on February 21, 2019, 07:28:59 PM
Post by: MADMAX on February 21, 2019, 07:37:40 PM
You want the cool upgrades break out the $$$$
That why we went basic
Bought both our rigs at local Toyota dealer In kitsap
If you decide on Toyota pm me
I got a guy who will do you a good deal
Post by: thinkingman on February 21, 2019, 07:49:38 PM
You might want to research some of my other post on Toyota quality and engineering.Tahoe.
Does everything the Toy can do and does it better.
More comfortable, more power, real towing capability.
Toyota is the most overrated car on the road.
Lol couldn’t be more from the truth. The most bulletproof bad ass ride on the road and can’t be beat.
When Toyota makes good on the leaf springs I HAD to replace, and a dozen other fixes I’ve never had to do on any other car...
Yeah right.
Actually let’s make a list:
2006 TRD Sport crewcab 6sp manual, every available option.
Rear leaf springs flat before 3 years old. Not from being a truck, from being cheap garbage. Recall came out 6 years after I called Toyota corporate and they called me crazy.
Frame rust recall. Do you have any idea what holds your burley, manly Toy together? The cheapest steel they could find. A truck that LITERALLY falls apart at 5 years? Are you kidding!!!?
Wheels corroded so badly at 3 years old, it was embarrassing.
Rear window rattled loose while driving down out of Colokum (the rear glasscame loose! Unbelievable)
Gas door hinges rusted out and actually separated from the body. Worse design and execution of ever seen. China does better.
Radio and clock are the cheapest, lowest quality pieces of garbage. Worse than any other car I’ve owned in the last 30 years.
Rear tailgate that bends with a motorcycle in the bed. Permanent bent tailgate. Yep, your amazing Toy can’t load and transport a motorcycle.
The transmission gearing on the 6 speed manual I had was a joke. 2400rpm at 70mph cruise, reverse was so long, you would roast the clutch if you ever tried to back a trailer up any kind of grade. Horrible engineering.
Rear drum brakes. Really?! What is this, 1978?
I’ll think of more
These are all documented by other owners besides myself on Tacomaworld.com.
Spend a couple of hours on Tacomaworld and come back and tell me how great they are.
Post by: MADMAX on February 21, 2019, 07:55:36 PM
Over all the passes on I 90 all the way to eastern Montana and back
Hauled a quad in the back for a few years
It’s a 2013 with 70k on it and I love it and I use it and take care of it
Oil changes and filters plugs
That’s it
Biggest complaint I have is too small a gas tank
The 4runner is the wife’s
Not trying to thread jack
I’ve had a 07 Super duty 6.0 and a 96 power stroke 7.3s
The wife had a Denali , and a K5 and I do currently have a beater surburban
All were decent rigs and they went down the road
Sorry about your bad luck with the brand
We’re happy with ours
Post by: T-Dozzer on February 21, 2019, 08:15:21 PM
2017 sr5
You want the cool upgrades break out the $$$$
That why we went basic
Bought both our rigs at local Toyota dealer In kitsap
If you decide on Toyota pm me
I got a guy who will do you a good deal
Appreciate that.
Post by: T-Dozzer on February 21, 2019, 08:19:41 PM
You might want to research some of my other post on Toyota quality and engineering.Tahoe.
Does everything the Toy can do and does it better.
More comfortable, more power, real towing capability.
Toyota is the most overrated car on the road.
Lol couldn’t be more from the truth. The most bulletproof bad ass ride on the road and can’t be beat.
When Toyota makes good on the leaf springs I HAD to replace, and a dozen other fixes I’ve never had to do on any other car...
Yeah right.
Actually let’s make a list:
2006 TRD Sport crewcab 6sp manual, every available option.
Rear leaf springs flat before 3 years old. Not from being a truck, from being cheap garbage. Recall came out 6 years after I called Toyota corporate and they called me crazy.
Frame rust recall. Do you have any idea what holds your burley, manly Toy together? The cheapest steel they could find. A truck that LITERALLY falls apart at 5 years? Are you kidding!!!?
Wheels corroded so badly at 3 years old, it was embarrassing.
Rear window rattled loose while driving down out of Colokum (the rear glasscame loose! Unbelievable)
Gas door hinges rusted out and actually separated from the body. Worse design and execution of ever seen. China does better.
Radio and clock are the cheapest, lowest quality pieces of garbage. Worse than any other car I’ve owned in the last 30 years.
Rear tailgate that bends with a motorcycle in the bed. Permanent bent tailgate. Yep, your amazing Toy can’t load and transport a motorcycle.
The transmission gearing on the 6 speed manual I had was a joke. 2400rpm at 70mph cruise, reverse was so long, you would roast the clutch if you ever tried to back a trailer up any kind of grade. Horrible engineering.
Rear drum brakes. Really?! What is this, 1978?
I’ll think of more
These are all documented by other owners besides myself on Tacomaworld.com.
Spend a couple of hours on Tacomaworld and come back and tell me how great they are.
I had to battle corporate over the leaf spring deal my self on the taco. It does have some chinsy stuff on it, but over all Ive been happy with the reliability. Besides maintenance, Ive just had a hub bearing and cv boot go out and the A/C.
Thats good considering what some of my GM rigs have had go down.
Still, I appreciate all the feedback. Its why I asked.
Post by: MADMAX on February 21, 2019, 08:27:18 PM
Ask
Get some responses make your decisions based on research feedback and need
I’ve been the only Ford guy in my hunting group of Chevy guys for years
Got that little toy truck downsized and sold my big travel trailer and big diesel truck
Haven’t missed them
Wife wanted another Denali The new price was insane
I said just drive the 4runner
She did we bought it
Good luck bud
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on February 21, 2019, 08:38:35 PM
Tahoe or 4 runner either way is a good choice. Like its been said depends on your individual needs. For me the argument for more room with family and gear is moot. The bigger it is the more stuff they want to take :chuckle: The reality was on extended camping (tent and cots etc) trips nearly everything that fit in the Tahoe also fit in the 4runner. Slightly more cramped yes, but not enough to warrant the increased operational expense. You still aren't hauling your 6th person in either with all gear. (No room in back of Tahoe when third row deployed.) So if leg room is priority then the Tahoe is better, but actually hauling family "stuff" capacity your gonna be putting a roof rack on either one.
We do occasionally miss the third row. If you are actually using third row on a regular basis though as in family bigger than 5, or often hauling the soccer team don't get a Tahoe, there is no trunk space if third row is in use.
Post by: meatwhack on February 24, 2019, 12:44:40 PM
Post by: Bofire on February 24, 2019, 02:06:19 PM
Carl
Post by: chef bama on February 24, 2019, 02:35:22 PM
Post by: thinkingman on February 25, 2019, 01:53:40 PM
I love this response.Tahoe.
Does everything the Toy can do and does it better.
More comfortable, more power, real towing capability.
Toyota is the most overrated car on the road.
Lol couldn’t be more from the truth. The most bulletproof bad ass ride on the road and can’t be beat.
In all the excitement, I forgot my favorite example of how manly Toys are.
Take ten minutes to read this:
https://www.edmunds.com/car-buying/death-valley-torture-test-2017-honda-ridgeline-vs-2016-toyota-tacoma-trd-off-road-comparison-test.html (https://www.edmunds.com/car-buying/death-valley-torture-test-2017-honda-ridgeline-vs-2016-toyota-tacoma-trd-off-road-comparison-test.html)
Post by: Dhoey07 on February 25, 2019, 02:05:29 PM
Post by: C-Money on February 25, 2019, 05:27:36 PM
Post by: Iveexcaped3 on March 07, 2019, 06:27:10 PM
93 silverado
93 camero
01 sierra
01 tahoe
09 silverado
the only issue ive had was with the camero so its kind of irrelevant. the only issue i had was replacing the trans in the sierra, it was a 4L60E which was a common issue in the 99-06 chevy's. I know Allison transmission(best in the production business) expired their contract with dodge and chevy now puts them in their trucks idk about the SUV's (call a dealer and ask for a mechanic to verify). One thing to look at its rental car places like hertz. they sell their cars between 20k-40k at a really good price. I was going to do that for my silverado until i found a really good deal on my 09 and saved 20K. my tahoe ran to 207k with no issues to me before trading it in. maybe this helps maybe not but its my :twocents:
Post by: Kenaiwild on March 07, 2019, 08:20:00 PM
My daughter commented to me one day that “all her friends rigs have “only” 100k miles on them and hers has 139k! Is this OK”? I asked her how many of them have mechanical problems and she said most of them. She got it.
Only downside to Toyota is the fuel economy.
Post by: T-Dozzer on March 07, 2019, 08:51:08 PM
Post by: Mr Mykiss on March 07, 2019, 09:16:31 PM
Whatever one you can pay cash for.Dave would be proud.
Post by: T-Dozzer on June 28, 2020, 07:44:24 PM
Went with a 2020 TRD Off-road Premium.
Love it so far. Makes the 'ol Taco seem old.
Thanks
Post by: Taco280AI on June 28, 2020, 10:09:37 PM
Post by: Bone collector 13 on June 28, 2020, 11:05:25 PM
finally got around to this.
Went with a 2020 TRD Off-road Premium.
Love it so far. Makes the 'ol Taco seem old.
Thanks
We have one and love it. Just waiting to do a leveling kit and bigger tires!
Post by: T-Dozzer on August 15, 2020, 10:47:55 PM
finally got around to this.
Went with a 2020 TRD Off-road Premium.
Love it so far. Makes the 'ol Taco seem old.
Thanks
We have one and love it. Just waiting to do a leveling kit and bigger tires!
I might as well.
I did get it w/ better tires, wheels & black emblems.
Post by: BD1 on August 16, 2020, 01:13:08 AM
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Post by: HntnFsh on August 16, 2020, 10:12:32 AM
I personally am not a Chevy fan, but last Monday, GF/Wife came home with a 2020 Tahoe LTZ. Must admit it is a very nice ride. To bad she won't let me take it off road to really test it out.
Its half yours dude! :chuckle:
Post by: ribka on August 16, 2020, 10:32:47 AM
I personally am not a Chevy fan, but last Monday, GF/Wife came home with a 2020 Tahoe LTZ. Must admit it is a very nice ride. To bad she won't let me take it off road to really test it out.
Richard did you get dog kennels installed in the back of it yet ? :IBCOOL: