Post by: Windwalker on February 21, 2019, 02:30:00 AM
Now it seems the company is scrambling to do damage control. It’s not playing out well. Spiderco will be getting their share of the market.
They ...how do I say this..look like Dicks..sporting goods.
For more info go to their Facebook page, read the comments and see what others have dug up about them. Make your own decisions.
What a train wreck. Heck of a stupid way to loose all their customers.
https://m.facebook.com/Benchmade/
SEE OFFICIAL STATEMENT BELOW
Benchmade is aware of the recent post from our local Oregon City Police Department.
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We apologize for the confusion and concern that this post created. These were firearms that the Oregon City Police Department had to destroy in alignment with their policies. Oregon City Police requested the use of specialty equipment within the Benchmade facility to follow these requirements, and as a supporting partner of our local police force, we obliged the request.
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Benchmade is a proud and unwavering supporter of both law enforcement and Second Amendment rights. These are commitments that we do not take lightly and will continue to support well into the future.
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When asked for clarity from Oregon City Police Department, Chief Jim Band made the following statement: “When property is to be destroyed, it is the policy of the Oregon City Police Department to destroy property, including firearms, in accordance to our procedures and ORS. The Oregon City Police Department does not sell firearms.”
-Benchmade
Post by: MLHSN on February 21, 2019, 05:02:18 AM
Post by: Jellymon on February 21, 2019, 05:28:15 AM
Some of you like to go on some witch hunts. If it's not Benchmade, it is Meateater. It's repeated posts like these that cause me to check in to HW less often. If people could stick to productive hunting/fishing topics, I would be here more often. Even good threads get dragged down to hijacked conversations complaining about WDFW or anything else but the OP's initial subject.
Which is what you just did. :tup:
I kind of like knowing which companies to avoid. Because of what the op posted, it was revealed that Benchmade is contributing thousands to democrat politicians only. Because of that, not the destroying of the guns, I won’t buy another benchmade.
Post by: slavenoid on February 21, 2019, 05:54:20 AM
Post by: Tracker0721 on February 21, 2019, 06:12:04 AM
Post by: Fl0und3rz on February 21, 2019, 06:20:18 AM
Post by: boneaddict on February 21, 2019, 06:23:41 AM
Post by: Jpmiller on February 21, 2019, 06:58:25 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 21, 2019, 07:05:51 AM
Post by: h2ofowlr on February 21, 2019, 07:59:25 AM
Post by: hunter399 on February 21, 2019, 08:03:38 AM
Should of told them to pound sand.
I'm sure there are other ways they could support law enforcement besides destroying guns.Maybe some free products,discounts etc.
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 21, 2019, 08:11:04 AM
Post by: Stein on February 21, 2019, 08:11:52 AM
So, the police has to destroy them. Benchmade could do it for free, or the police could pay someone else. If they pay someone else either my taxes need to go up to cover that or they take money from other areas like hiring another officer.
Every police station in the country does this and has done it forever. Nobody has cared before social media made it easy to get all lathered up and pound on keyboards.
Post by: Bob33 on February 21, 2019, 08:12:59 AM
Post by: huntnfmly on February 21, 2019, 08:20:08 AM
I worked in a local steel mill and we use to melt up truck loads of firearms no big deal imo
Post by: ribka on February 21, 2019, 08:42:03 AM
I don't see the problem the guns needed to be destroyed and benchmade has the equipment to do it.
I worked in a local steel mill and we use to melt up truck loads of firearms no big deal imo
Benchmade donates 100 per cent to anti gun left wing look Dem politicians who are actively involved in banning all firearms
Seems ok to me :dunno:
https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/totals.php?id=D000047693&cycle=2018
Many
Police departments don’t bother tracing seized crime guns to
Ensure they are returned to their owners after the judicial process is completed
Wouldn’t you want your stolen firearms returned
Post by: Cab on February 21, 2019, 08:47:55 AM
I don't see the problem the guns needed to be destroyed and benchmade has the equipment to do it.
I worked in a local steel mill and we use to melt up truck loads of firearms no big deal imo
Benchmade donates 100 per cent to anti gun left wing look Dem politicians who are actively involved in banning all firearms
Seems ok to me :dunno:
https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/totals.php?id=D000047693&cycle=2018
Many
Police departments don’t bother tracing seized crime guns to
Ensure they are returned to their owners after the judicial process is completed
Wouldn’t you want your stolen firearms returned
This is what getting guys so mad, it's not just the cutting up of guns as much as also the donation to Anti-2A Dems only.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on February 21, 2019, 08:58:59 AM
I worked in a local steel mill and we use to melt up truck loads of firearms no big deal imo
This makes baby Jesus :ACRY:
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 21, 2019, 09:03:15 AM
I don't see the problem the guns needed to be destroyed and benchmade has the equipment to do it.
I worked in a local steel mill and we use to melt up truck loads of firearms no big deal imo
Benchmade donates 100 per cent to anti gun left wing look Dem politicians who are actively involved in banning all firearms
Seems ok to me :dunno:
https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/totals.php?id=D000047693&cycle=2018
Many
Police departments don’t bother tracing seized crime guns to
Ensure they are returned to their owners after the judicial process is completed
Wouldn’t you want your stolen firearms returned
The donations do paint a different picture. But as far as stolen firearms are concerned, do you know they weren't returned to their owners?
Post by: Bob33 on February 21, 2019, 09:08:40 AM
I would be surprised is there weren't some Democrats working at Benchmade, but I wouldn't infer from that the company is of a certain mindset.
Post by: huntnfmly on February 21, 2019, 09:09:57 AM
😅I worked in a local steel mill and we use to melt up truck loads of firearms no big deal imo
This makes baby Jesus :ACRY:
If it helps the majority were broken rusted and not in working order
And thank you for that post it literally made me laugh out loud😅
Post by: Stein on February 21, 2019, 09:16:21 AM
You know who also gave to a democrat? The NRA. They also gave $45k to help defeat republicans.
The fact that an individual that works for Benchmade donated money is now somehow proof that they are anti-gun is crazy. It is going to be tough to find a company of any size that doesn't have a single employee that supports a democrat.
Post by: Mongo Hunter on February 21, 2019, 09:18:43 AM
And sorry the time has come where we need to call these people out when we find them. Washington and Oregon are under attack from anti gunners. They are loud and well funded. We need to show that if you do stuff like this you'll lose our support (remember Springfield armory? Dicks Sporting goods?).
The gun and especially the hunting community are our own worst enemies at times. The "I support the 2A but" crowed.
Post by: Cab on February 21, 2019, 09:25:40 AM
Post by: boneaddict on February 21, 2019, 09:35:22 AM
Post by: andersonjk4 on February 21, 2019, 09:39:23 AM
Post by: Stein on February 21, 2019, 09:39:40 AM
Smith & Wesson
Remington Arms
National Shooting Sports Foundation
Safari Club International
Cabelas
Walmart
Safeway
Amazon
Costco
Chevrolet
Dodge
Ford
Every other vehicle manufacturer
Every major gas station and petroleum producer
International dairy foods association
Post by: mburrows on February 21, 2019, 09:48:13 AM
Post by: Bob33 on February 21, 2019, 09:49:19 AM
My Benchmades are all going into the trash tonight.
Post by: slavenoid on February 21, 2019, 09:54:59 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 21, 2019, 09:58:46 AM
Here are some more companies that have supported democrats to add to the boycott list:
Smith & Wesson
Remington Arms
National Shooting Sports Foundation
Safari Club International
Cabelas
Walmart
Safeway
Amazon
Costco
Chevrolet
Dodge
Ford
Every other vehicle manufacturer
Every major gas station and petroleum producer
International dairy foods association
Do all of these companies donate 100% of their political donations to Dem PACs? I know there are quite a few gun-friendly Dems, mostly in Red states. So I can understand some across the aisle donations. The timber companies do that, too. But donating 100% to Dem PACs, where the money is usually distributed among many politicians' campaigns is a different story. A supposedly hunter-friendly/2A-friendly company who donates nothing to the right side of the aisle may not be as 2A friendly as their statement suggests.
Post by: Mongo Hunter on February 21, 2019, 10:00:38 AM
I cant help but laugh at the folks that are up in arms about this, only the hunting community would be so quick to stomp out one of our own. I dont see how this is at all anti 2nd amendment.
As stated above, the police departments have this as "policy" which they should change. Benchmade could say no as well. And people in the "hunting community" jumped on it which is a shock actually because hunters are some of the worst 2A supporters. Sorry but its true.
Post by: Stein on February 21, 2019, 10:09:22 AM
Here are some more companies that have supported democrats to add to the boycott list:
Smith & Wesson
Remington Arms
National Shooting Sports Foundation
Safari Club International
Cabelas
Walmart
Safeway
Amazon
Costco
Chevrolet
Dodge
Ford
Every other vehicle manufacturer
Every major gas station and petroleum producer
International dairy foods association
Do all of these companies donate 100% of their political donations to Dem PACs? I know there are quite a few gun-friendly Dems, mostly in Red states. So I can understand some across the aisle donations. The timber companies do that, too. But donating 100% to Dem PACs, where the money is usually distributed among many politicians' campaigns is a different story. A supposedly hunter-friendly/2A-friendly company who donates nothing to the right side of the aisle may not be as 2A friendly as their statement suggests.
Please research open secrets. Benchmade DID NOT donate. An employee of Benchmade did, an individual or the immediate family member of an individual. Could have been the president, could have been the janitor's wife, could have been a guy they fired. We don't know who it was.
To say Benchmade 100% supports "Dem PACs" is a lie. Benchmade didn't support any Dems according to open secrets and Benchmade employees directly contributed to two democrats, not PACs.
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 21, 2019, 10:12:34 AM
Post by: Stein on February 21, 2019, 10:18:52 AM
So the graph above is false then? Because that graph shows they donated the money to PACs, if I read it correctly.
The graph is correct:
https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/recips.php?id=D000047693&cycle=2018
100% of the money came from Individuals (not the company). Nothing came from PACs. The money came from:
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employees or owners, and those individuals' immediate families
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 21, 2019, 10:20:13 AM
Post by: JeffRaines on February 21, 2019, 10:34:59 AM
I cant help but laugh at the folks that are up in arms about this, only the hunting community would be so quick to stomp out one of our own. I dont see how this is at all anti 2nd amendment.
It’s just more of the same - you have people who look to media of some sort to guide them on what to be upset about this week. It’s no different than the poor kid wearing the MAGA hat getting dumped on by Democrats until the real story came out.
I wonder how many of these folks cried about the NFL and not standing for the anthem? I wonder how many of them, after claiming to never watch another football game... are now watching football again?
Post by: Stein on February 21, 2019, 10:35:31 AM
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Post by: boneaddict on February 21, 2019, 10:42:33 AM
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I wonder how many of these folks cried about the NFL and not standing for the anthem? I wonder how many of them, after claiming to never watch another football game... are now watching football again?
I cried big tears over the NFL and haven’t had a game on or watched a game in two years, including your beloved Super Bowl. Some things are worth standing for, and to some the 2nd amendment might be one of them. Just saying.....
I don’t have a dog in this fight...is that even pc to say now a days.....I don’t and probably never will own a benchmade.
Post by: 7mmfan on February 21, 2019, 10:43:57 AM
Far worse is the likelihood that at least one of their employees hunts back country.
My Benchmades are all going into the trash tonight.
You could send them to me, i'll take good care of them.
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 21, 2019, 10:51:10 AM
Post by: 300rum on February 21, 2019, 10:52:02 AM
Destroying the firearm, especially at the request of the state is very telling....
Let's say you walk up to a street cop and hand him your Benchmade knife, you think it is too sharp and may hurt someone. Will that knife be taken to Benchamde and cut up?
Post by: Colville on February 21, 2019, 10:53:16 AM
Police had confiscated guns from crimes.
No person had a right to possess these guns, or to have them returned to them.
The law requires that they be destroyed.
Benchmade has proper equipment for the destruction.
Police asked Benchmade to do the destruction, and they agreed to do so, for free.
Had they not, police would have paid a service to destroy the guns they were required by law to destroy.
How is this a thread?
BTW, I have employees who vote for democrats, maybe donate to them too. Should I fire them, and if I don't, should people boycott my business?
Post by: Mongo Hunter on February 21, 2019, 11:00:59 AM
Just want to be sure I followed this right.
Police had confiscated guns from crimes.
No person had a right to possess these guns, or to have them returned to them.
The law requires that they be destroyed.
Benchmade has proper equipment for the destruction.
Police asked Benchmade to do the destruction, and they agreed to do so, for free.
Had they not, police would have paid a service to destroy the guns they were required by law to destroy.
How is this a thread?
BTW, I have employees who vote for democrats, maybe donate to them too. Should I fire them, and if I don't, should people boycott my business?
Yes
Yes
Yes but its a faulty law and should be changed or disobeyed
Yes
Yes but they should have said no
Again they should not follow this unless the guns were unsafe. Should have sold them to a local shop or held an auction for law abiding citizens to buy, raise money.
Because we have opinions on the subject
As far as your employees do as you wish, its your business I think you should hire/fire as you like. let the free market handle you if they disagree.
Cover it all? :chuckle:
Post by: Colville on February 21, 2019, 11:11:46 AM
No 2A rights are harmed by guns that were used in crime getting destroyed.
All that happens is that the PD is shorted revenue it could have recovered if they were sold. Benchmade should be blushing because the police didn't have to spend money to destroy them? If anyone's rights were being harmed here I'd change my mind, they aren't. We always say guns are just tools. Yep, and if the police destroy the knives, hammers, tire jacks that are used in crimes, should I get pissed at that too?
Pretty thin gruel.
Post by: Mongo Hunter on February 21, 2019, 11:22:09 AM
Simple answer could have been: "we have a bunch of guns in lock up set for destruction. instead we would like to hold a public auction and sell them at a discount to those less fortunate."
Its a missed opportunity as I see it. Were rights stepped on? no. But true colors are being brought to light that we cant count on our local PD's to have our backs in this matter. SOME sheriffs have said they wont enforce new guns laws :tup: others (like in my county) said the WILL :bash:.
Post by: slavenoid on February 21, 2019, 12:28:40 PM
Now if theyre not a part of a crime and people are turning in guns to feel safe then I like the idea of the state selling them to FFLs like they do in some other states. That would probably require a change in policy or law. Don't know if agencys would volunteer to deal with the headache of FFL requirements if a law didn't force them to.
Post by: Ghost Hunter on February 21, 2019, 12:38:19 PM
Post by: KFhunter on February 21, 2019, 12:39:54 PM
Post by: cbond3318 on February 21, 2019, 12:45:44 PM
Just listened to the Benchmade rep on Lars Larson show. Sounds like they are 100% in support of 2nd Amendment, and won't be accommodating PPD in future gun destruction.
No that’s really dumb. This whole thing is dumb but now Benchmade made it even more dumber than how dumb it was to begin with. Waffles to the pouts crowd. Unreal times we live in. Dumb
Dumb.
Post by: Mongo Hunter on February 21, 2019, 12:46:31 PM
Just listened to the Benchmade rep on Lars Larson show. Sounds like they are 100% in support of 2nd Amendment, and won't be accommodating PPD in future gun destruction.
No that’s really dumb. This whole thing is dumb but now Benchmade made it even more dumber than how dumb it was to begin with. Waffles to the pouts crowd. Unreal times we live in. Dumb
Dumb.
Whys it dumb? and how are they dumb for apologizing?
Post by: cbond3318 on February 21, 2019, 12:49:52 PM
Just listened to the Benchmade rep on Lars Larson show. Sounds like they are 100% in support of 2nd Amendment, and won't be accommodating PPD in future gun destruction.
No that’s really dumb. This whole thing is dumb but now Benchmade made it even more dumber than how dumb it was to begin with. Waffles to the pouts crowd. Unreal times we live in. Dumb
Dumb.
Whys it dumb? and how are they dumb for apologizing?
Because they noodled their own spine at the will of a bunch of fear infested pouters. What they did “helping a local PD department” was a good thing.
That is all I’ll Add to this dumbburger.
Post by: Mongo Hunter on February 21, 2019, 12:53:06 PM
Just listened to the Benchmade rep on Lars Larson show. Sounds like they are 100% in support of 2nd Amendment, and won't be accommodating PPD in future gun destruction.
No that’s really dumb. This whole thing is dumb but now Benchmade made it even more dumber than how dumb it was to begin with. Waffles to the pouts crowd. Unreal times we live in. Dumb
Dumb.
Whys it dumb? and how are they dumb for apologizing?
Because they noodled their own spine at the will of a bunch of fear infested pouters. What they did “helping a local PD department” was a good thing.
That is all I’ll Add to this dumbburger.
No it wasn't a good thing to destroy functioning firearms that could have been resold to the public not only to raise money for the PD but also arm citizens.
Post by: jmscon on February 21, 2019, 01:14:55 PM
Just listened to the Benchmade rep on Lars Larson show. Sounds like they are 100% in support of 2nd Amendment, and won't be accommodating PPD in future gun destruction.
No that’s really dumb. This whole thing is dumb but now Benchmade made it even more dumber than how dumb it was to begin with. Waffles to the pouts crowd. Unreal times we live in. Dumb
Dumb.
Whys it dumb? and how are they dumb for apologizing?
Because they noodled their own spine at the will of a bunch of fear infested pouters. What they did “helping a local PD department” was a good thing.
That is all I’ll Add to this dumbburger.
This, 100%
Post by: 7mmfan on February 21, 2019, 02:18:25 PM
Just listened to the Benchmade rep on Lars Larson show. Sounds like they are 100% in support of 2nd Amendment, and won't be accommodating PPD in future gun destruction.
No that’s really dumb. This whole thing is dumb but now Benchmade made it even more dumber than how dumb it was to begin with. Waffles to the pouts crowd. Unreal times we live in. Dumb
Dumb.
Whys it dumb? and how are they dumb for apologizing?
Because they noodled their own spine at the will of a bunch of fear infested pouters. What they did “helping a local PD department” was a good thing.
That is all I’ll Add to this dumbburger.
No it wasn't a good thing to destroy functioning firearms that could have been resold to the public not only to raise money for the PD but also arm citizens.
But that is against the law. Was, still is. If they didn't do it for free, someone else would have for a fee, and... nevermind. That's the 10th time it's been spelled out.
Post by: Mongo Hunter on February 21, 2019, 02:22:51 PM
Post by: 7mmfan on February 21, 2019, 02:29:33 PM
I guess I have a lower tolerance for boot lickers these days. Just cause something is the law doesn't make it right.
Might not be right. Still the law.
Post by: Mongo Hunter on February 21, 2019, 02:45:08 PM
Post by: KFhunter on February 21, 2019, 02:46:12 PM
Just listened to the Benchmade rep on Lars Larson show. Sounds like they are 100% in support of 2nd Amendment, and won't be accommodating PPD in future gun destruction.
No that’s really dumb. This whole thing is dumb but now Benchmade made it even more dumber than how dumb it was to begin with. Waffles to the pouts crowd. Unreal times we live in. Dumb
Dumb.
Whys it dumb? and how are they dumb for apologizing?
Because they noodled their own spine at the will of a bunch of fear infested pouters. What they did “helping a local PD department” was a good thing.
That is all I’ll Add to this dumbburger.
I don't think it's dumb for Benchmade to get in front of this, it'll go viral on social media and then Benchmade will have found itself out of a large market share.
Don't blame Benchmade;
Blame VAST MAJORITY of people that don't question or look into things to find the truth of the matter when they see crap spam their FB accounts.
Post by: 7mmfan on February 21, 2019, 03:16:44 PM
So if they pass a law tomorrow that makes saying "Trump card" illegal because its hate speech, you're cool with it? its the law right so you should just fall in line right? Pass a law banning 30rd mags, you turning yours in right? its the law. Can no longer go to a church? you going to comply? its the law though right?
There's dumb laws, and there's laws worth fighting. Right now we're talking about a dumb law. Does it make sense to destroy an item that could be checked out and sold at auction to raise funds and educate the general public on the 2A? No it doesn't, but it's not hurting anyone by doing it. The new potential laws you posted up could do real harm or limit someones ability to protect themselves and their family, and would be worth fighting over.
Post by: yorketransport on February 21, 2019, 03:19:15 PM
I don't see the problem the guns needed to be destroyed and benchmade has the equipment to do it.
I worked in a local steel mill and we use to melt up truck loads of firearms no big deal imo
My dad worked at a foundry when I was a kid and I got to come with him when they would melt down all the guns from the local police department once a year. I just don't see what the issue is here. Like others said, there aren't a lot of places with the equipment to melt down the guns so why not have Benchmade do it?
Is the local PD supposed to just have a garage sale and liquidate a bunch of guns that may or may not have been modified to make them unsafe to use? Who'd be liable if the PD sold off a gun out of evidence and then the gun malfunctioned and killed somebody? It's a lot cheaper and easier to just destroy them like any other broken/inoperable tool.
Post by: KFhunter on February 21, 2019, 03:23:10 PM
Post by: Mongo Hunter on February 21, 2019, 03:23:52 PM
Post by: jmscon on February 21, 2019, 03:42:37 PM
Post by: grundy53 on February 21, 2019, 03:48:33 PM
Here are some more companies that have supported democrats to add to the boycott list:
Smith & Wesson
Remington Arms
National Shooting Sports Foundation
Safari Club International
Cabelas
Walmart
Safeway
Amazon
Costco
Chevrolet
Dodge
Ford
Every other vehicle manufacturer
Every major gas station and petroleum producer
International dairy foods association
Do all of these companies donate 100% of their political donations to Dem PACs? I know there are quite a few gun-friendly Dems, mostly in Red states. So I can understand some across the aisle donations. The timber companies do that, too. But donating 100% to Dem PACs, where the money is usually distributed among many politicians' campaigns is a different story. A supposedly hunter-friendly/2A-friendly company who donates nothing to the right side of the aisle may not be as 2A friendly as their statement suggests.
Please research open secrets. Benchmade DID NOT donate. An employee of Benchmade did, an individual or the immediate family member of an individual. Could have been the president, could have been the janitor's wife, could have been a guy they fired. We don't know who it was.
To say Benchmade 100% supports "Dem PACs" is a lie. Benchmade didn't support any Dems according to open secrets and Benchmade employees directly contributed to two democrats, not PACs.
Actually it was the owners. So I'm pretty sure they speak for Benchmark.
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Post by: yorketransport on February 21, 2019, 03:58:11 PM
Here are some more companies that have supported democrats to add to the boycott list:
Smith & Wesson
Remington Arms
National Shooting Sports Foundation
Safari Club International
Cabelas
Walmart
Safeway
Amazon
Costco
Chevrolet
Dodge
Ford
Every other vehicle manufacturer
Every major gas station and petroleum producer
International dairy foods association
Do all of these companies donate 100% of their political donations to Dem PACs? I know there are quite a few gun-friendly Dems, mostly in Red states. So I can understand some across the aisle donations. The timber companies do that, too. But donating 100% to Dem PACs, where the money is usually distributed among many politicians' campaigns is a different story. A supposedly hunter-friendly/2A-friendly company who donates nothing to the right side of the aisle may not be as 2A friendly as their statement suggests.
Please research open secrets. Benchmade DID NOT donate. An employee of Benchmade did, an individual or the immediate family member of an individual. Could have been the president, could have been the janitor's wife, could have been a guy they fired. We don't know who it was.
To say Benchmade 100% supports "Dem PACs" is a lie. Benchmade didn't support any Dems according to open secrets and Benchmade employees directly contributed to two democrats, not PACs.
Actually it was the owners. So I'm pretty sure they speak for Benchmark.
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No, the owner's speak for themselves; if Benchmark as a company made the donations they'd be speaking for Benchmark. It's no different than your signature line which states that your opinions don't necessarily represent the opinions of the HuntWa forum.
Post by: grundy53 on February 21, 2019, 04:06:08 PM
Here are some more companies that have supported democrats to add to the boycott list:
Smith & Wesson
Remington Arms
National Shooting Sports Foundation
Safari Club International
Cabelas
Walmart
Safeway
Amazon
Costco
Chevrolet
Dodge
Ford
Every other vehicle manufacturer
Every major gas station and petroleum producer
International dairy foods association
Do all of these companies donate 100% of their political donations to Dem PACs? I know there are quite a few gun-friendly Dems, mostly in Red states. So I can understand some across the aisle donations. The timber companies do that, too. But donating 100% to Dem PACs, where the money is usually distributed among many politicians' campaigns is a different story. A supposedly hunter-friendly/2A-friendly company who donates nothing to the right side of the aisle may not be as 2A friendly as their statement suggests.
Please research open secrets. Benchmade DID NOT donate. An employee of Benchmade did, an individual or the immediate family member of an individual. Could have been the president, could have been the janitor's wife, could have been a guy they fired. We don't know who it was.
To say Benchmade 100% supports "Dem PACs" is a lie. Benchmade didn't support any Dems according to open secrets and Benchmade employees directly contributed to two democrats, not PACs.
Actually it was the owners. So I'm pretty sure they speak for Benchmark.
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No, the owner's speak for themselves; if Benchmark as a company made the donations they'd be speaking for Benchmark. It's no different than your signature line which states that your opinions don't necessarily represent the opinions of the HuntWa forum.
Except they own the company. I don't own this site. I can't speak for the site. They most definitely speak for their company. It's their company. Do you think their beliefs change when they get to work?
Those donations they made were with the profits of their company.
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Post by: Ghost Hunter on February 21, 2019, 04:14:52 PM
Post by: grundy53 on February 21, 2019, 04:15:29 PM
Fine, let them pay a fee.Just cause someone else will do it doesn't mean I should. I'm not even saying what they did was wrong just stating that's a poor reason to do something. Frankly I wouldn't have done it purely for PR reasons which I think they learned that lesson. Personally my problem is with whom they donate my hard earned money.Just listened to the Benchmade rep on Lars Larson show. Sounds like they are 100% in support of 2nd Amendment, and won't be accommodating PPD in future gun destruction.
No that’s really dumb. This whole thing is dumb but now Benchmade made it even more dumber than how dumb it was to begin with. Waffles to the pouts crowd. Unreal times we live in. Dumb
Dumb.
Whys it dumb? and how are they dumb for apologizing?
Because they noodled their own spine at the will of a bunch of fear infested pouters. What they did “helping a local PD department” was a good thing.
That is all I’ll Add to this dumbburger.
No it wasn't a good thing to destroy functioning firearms that could have been resold to the public not only to raise money for the PD but also arm citizens.
But that is against the law. Was, still is. If they didn't do it for free, someone else would have for a fee, and... nevermind. That's the 10th time it's been spelled out.
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Post by: jmscon on February 21, 2019, 04:22:36 PM
How is this anti 2A?
Oh that’s right it isn’t.
Unless the donation was made by Benchmade from their account it shouldn’t matter. The owner, officers, board members, whoever can act on their own.
And this whole thing with if you vote dem you’re anti hunting anti gun is BS, there are plenty of pro huntin and pro gun dems. We need the more moderate ones on each side instead of these deadlocked extremists on both sides that we have now.
There are attacks on gun rights, I’m not denying that, but this is not it. This is a policy that does nothing to inhibit citizens arming themselves.
Post by: yorketransport on February 21, 2019, 04:30:22 PM
Here are some more companies that have supported democrats to add to the boycott list:
Smith & Wesson
Remington Arms
National Shooting Sports Foundation
Safari Club International
Cabelas
Walmart
Safeway
Amazon
Costco
Chevrolet
Dodge
Ford
Every other vehicle manufacturer
Every major gas station and petroleum producer
International dairy foods association
Do all of these companies donate 100% of their political donations to Dem PACs? I know there are quite a few gun-friendly Dems, mostly in Red states. So I can understand some across the aisle donations. The timber companies do that, too. But donating 100% to Dem PACs, where the money is usually distributed among many politicians' campaigns is a different story. A supposedly hunter-friendly/2A-friendly company who donates nothing to the right side of the aisle may not be as 2A friendly as their statement suggests.
Please research open secrets. Benchmade DID NOT donate. An employee of Benchmade did, an individual or the immediate family member of an individual. Could have been the president, could have been the janitor's wife, could have been a guy they fired. We don't know who it was.
To say Benchmade 100% supports "Dem PACs" is a lie. Benchmade didn't support any Dems according to open secrets and Benchmade employees directly contributed to two democrats, not PACs.
Actually it was the owners. So I'm pretty sure they speak for Benchmark.
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No, the owner's speak for themselves; if Benchmark as a company made the donations they'd be speaking for Benchmark. It's no different than your signature line which states that your opinions don't necessarily represent the opinions of the HuntWa forum.
Except they own the company. I don't own this site. I can't speak for the site. They most definitely speak for their company. It's their company. Do you think their beliefs change when they get to work?
Those donations they made were with the profits of their company.
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My personal beliefs don't always reflect how I've run any of my companies and the majority of business owners I've worked with are the same way. Work is work and my personal views and opinions are mine, not my company's.
The money that the owners donated wasn't profits from the business, it was money they earned by going to work. What someone does with their paycheck represents the actions of the that individual, not the company that issues their paycheck. :twocents:
Post by: KFhunter on February 21, 2019, 04:33:47 PM
Post by: Stein on February 21, 2019, 04:46:16 PM
If they are anti-gun they aren't very good at it as they somehow found two democrats that support national concealed carry reciprocity. The one guy is rated 0% by the Brady Campaign. The other one is so off the radar I don't think he even has a rating.
Makes a guy think they supported them for some other reason. Nah, pass the tinfoil.
Post by: full choke on February 21, 2019, 04:59:45 PM
If Bearpaw started making financial contributions to Maria Cantwell and Bob Ferguson's upcoming campaigns, would you still HW?
Did you just use HW as a verb? Cool. :tup:
Post by: yorketransport on February 21, 2019, 05:02:11 PM
If Bearpaw started making financial contributions to Maria Cantwell and Bob Ferguson's upcoming campaigns, would you still HW?
Yes, because I don't care about the personal politics of other people. If Dale, as an individual, wants to donate 10% of his personal earnings to a cause I don't agree with, I don't care. I'm not here to support Dale as an individual, I'm here to support his business because it provides a service that I have a use for. If HuntWa, as a company, want's to donate money to support a cause that I don't agree with, my business would still pay to be an advertiser on this site as long as there's still a reasonable return on my investment.
A business is a business and an individual in an individual. They're two separate entities.
Post by: mountainman on February 21, 2019, 05:04:07 PM
Its the state and local police showing true colors. Police are not on our side (at least very few are). We are at a time where our gun rights have really come under attack. The new laws getting passed in Washington and Oregon basically start making us California. More people including state officials need to start giving a middle finger to some of these laws/procedures.As far as I know, many agency's do this. Open the 6 months or a years worth of seized firearms to bid for local FFL's. Highest bidder takes stack.FFL safety checks weapons, destroys those unsafe, and everyone wins.
Simple answer could have been: "we have a bunch of guns in lock up set for destruction. instead we would like to hold a public auction and sell them at a discount to those less fortunate."
Its a missed opportunity as I see it. Were rights stepped on? no. But true colors are being brought to light that we cant count on our local PD's to have our backs in this matter. SOME sheriffs have said they wont enforce new guns laws :tup: others (like in my county) said the WILL :bash:.
Post by: Jpmiller on February 21, 2019, 06:39:09 PM
Post by: KFhunter on February 21, 2019, 06:44:38 PM
https://www.armytimes.com/news/2018/01/08/army-veteran-killed-self-with-gun-previously-seized-sold-by-police/
Post by: Windwalker on February 21, 2019, 07:12:00 PM
Black rifle - SOG knives - Emerson knives - H&K / Hogue Knives -PNW Knives – Cabot guns - Sandrin knives
Have made it VERY clear they are not fans of Benchmade.
This article covers a lot - https://www.recoilweb.com/benchmade-destroys-guns-internet-in-flames-147391.html
More info - https://www.campaignmoney.com/
Mr. Les de Asis - Founder, Owner and Chief Executive Officer
Numerous Political Contributions to Darlene Hooley (scores F by NRA on pro-gun rights policies)
Ms. Roberta De Asis - Chief Administrative Officer
Numerous Political Contributions to KURT SCHRADER (poor voting record/Ronald L Wyden (Rated F by the NRA)
Firearms Policy Coalition (FPC) is requesting that the Oregon City Police turn over “records about the destruction of firearms” from July 1, 2018, to the present. FPC is also requesting the police department turn over “all records that are, relate, or refer to communications with, to, or from Benchmade” for the same period.
Is Benchmade Anti-Gun? - The Fight
https://www.full30.com/watch/MDE5Mzg1/is-benchmade-anti-gun---the-fight?fbclid=IwAR2NFrcVLZKaTLpdZD_4BI2P4Tr0VvDdk60hJ-TwmnydxXQYiYw5nZ3PpDA
Post by: Lucky1 on February 21, 2019, 07:46:49 PM
Post by: Special T on February 21, 2019, 07:56:33 PM
I happen to know some very Republican 2a supporting business owners that give to their local reps that are dems. The do so for the very same reasons Trump did. ACCESS! If you want to call it protection money or acess $ and want to argue those merits so be it. The fact that they have given $ to their shyster anti constitutional rep just means they are protecting their interests. I'd bet they dont like it anymore than you do but it's a business not a philsopical debate.I don't see the problem the guns needed to be destroyed and benchmade has the equipment to do it.
I worked in a local steel mill and we use to melt up truck loads of firearms no big deal imo
Benchmade donates 100 per cent to anti gun left wing look Dem politicians who are actively involved in banning all firearms
Seems ok to me :dunno:
https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/totals.php?id=D000047693&cycle=2018
Many
Police departments don’t bother tracing seized crime guns to
Ensure they are returned to their owners after the judicial process is completed
Wouldn’t you want your stolen firearms returned
I like this take.
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Post by: mountainman on February 21, 2019, 07:59:11 PM
Didn't we all get red in the face mad when that border patrol agent got killed by a gun sold by the government? Sure it's a different set of circumstances but wouldn't the police department have a huge black eye when a gun they sold is used in a crime? Shouldn't we expect the police department to follow the laws?That's some odd circulars reasoning...?
Borders on the edges of "bad people don't kill people, guns kill people"..
Post by: Jpmiller on February 21, 2019, 08:06:02 PM
Didn't we all get red in the face mad when that border patrol agent got killed by a gun sold by the government? Sure it's a different set of circumstances but wouldn't the police department have a huge black eye when a gun they sold is used in a crime? Shouldn't we expect the police department to follow the laws?That's some odd circulars reasoning...?
Borders on the edges of "bad people don't kill people, guns kill people"..
I'll grant you it's not a great argument but you can't argue a police department selling a gun later to be used in a crime is a bad look. Remember the kid in Seattle who got shot while in possession of a firearm owned years prior by a sherriffs deputy and all the blow back that caused. Not to mention the fact that it is against the law for the police to have sold those guns. If they were to follow through on some on here's suggestions and just sell them since it is a dumb law that they can't they would be taking a gigantic risk and opening themselves to huge liability.
Since they legally have to be destroyed why would Benchmade not comply with the request. Don't go after Benchmade go after the policy makers.
Post by: Windwalker on February 21, 2019, 08:07:34 PM
While it is within the law for the police department to auction off seized firearms, Davis (Oregon City Police Department’s Public Information Officer, Captian Shaun Davis) stated that in the 20 years he has been employed at the Oregon City Police Department, they have never sold firearms to licensed dealers.
Perhaps that policy needs to be revisited.
"There’s no question that Benchmade made a poor business decision: in the current climate, gun owners are on high alert for any company or organization that is not in favor of individual liberties. The bigger question is, is this one event related to a broader anti-gun stance by Benchmade?"
Post by: h20hunter on February 21, 2019, 08:14:13 PM
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So leading. Why not ask is this decision one event related to benchmark hating babies?
Post by: KFhunter on February 21, 2019, 08:15:39 PM
So leading. Why not ask is this decision one event related to benchmark hating babies?
Oh Snap!!
Benchmade is pro-abortion?? GAH! >:(
Post by: h20hunter on February 21, 2019, 08:19:49 PM
I see this as worse than a non issue. I see this as pro 2a trying to find outrage where none exists.
Post by: KFhunter on February 21, 2019, 08:21:56 PM
Exactly.
I see this as worse than a non issue. I see this as pro 2a trying to find outrage where none exists.
We have been learning from the left how to do fake outrage.
Post by: mountainman on February 21, 2019, 08:24:24 PM
It's a bad look when anybody commits a firearm related crime, wether legally sold by a licensed FFL, or seized by law agency, sold to FFL, the legally sold by an FFL..Didn't we all get red in the face mad when that border patrol agent got killed by a gun sold by the government? Sure it's a different set of circumstances but wouldn't the police department have a huge black eye when a gun they sold is used in a crime? Shouldn't we expect the police department to follow the laws?That's some odd circulars reasoning...?
Borders on the edges of "bad people don't kill people, guns kill people"..
I'll grant you it's not a great argument but you can't argue a police department selling a gun later to be used in a crime is a bad look. Remember the kid in Seattle who got shot while in possession of a firearm owned years prior by a sherriffs deputy and all the blow back that caused. Not to mention the fact that it is against the law for the police to have sold those guns. If they were to follow through on some on here's suggestions and just sell them since it is a dumb law that they can't they would be taking a gigantic risk and opening themselves to huge liability.
Since they legally have to be destroyed why would Benchmade not comply with the request. Don't go after Benchmade go after the policy makers.
Post by: ribka on February 21, 2019, 08:42:31 PM
Didn't we all get red in the face mad when that border patrol agent got killed by a gun sold by the government? Sure it's a different set of circumstances but wouldn't the police department have a huge black eye when a gun they sold is used in a crime? Shouldn't we expect the police department to follow the laws?
Many small police departments sell their seized firearms to help raise funds to help the department
So when Cabela’s sells a firearm used later in in a crime should they be ashamed too?
What’s the difference?
Post by: Stein on February 21, 2019, 08:46:34 PM
Didn't we all get red in the face mad when that border patrol agent got killed by a gun sold by the government? Sure it's a different set of circumstances but wouldn't the police department have a huge black eye when a gun they sold is used in a crime? Shouldn't we expect the police department to follow the laws?
Many small police departments sell their seized firearms to help raise funds to help the department
So when Cabela’s sells a firearm used later in in a crime should they be ashamed too?
What’s the difference?
One difference is that Cabelas isn't under a court order to destroy the firearms.
Post by: ribka on February 21, 2019, 08:47:25 PM
Didn't we all get red in the face mad when that border patrol agent got killed by a gun sold by the government? Sure it's a different set of circumstances but wouldn't the police department have a huge black eye when a gun they sold is used in a crime? Shouldn't we expect the police department to follow the laws?
There is no court order it’s based on each PD’s admin policies
Stop spreading lies
If you deal in facts and your your brain the ATF knowingly allowed Mexican drug cartels to straw purchase firearms going to
Mexico that were used to later kill a BP officer.
Many small police departments sell their seized firearms to help raise funds to help the department
So when Cabela’s sells a firearm used later in in a crime should they be ashamed too? As long as they abide by the law no problem
ATF did not abide by the law
The optics of Benchmade destroying firearms and bragging about it was a terrible business decision
Post by: mountainman on February 21, 2019, 08:51:05 PM
False☝Didn't we all get red in the face mad when that border patrol agent got killed by a gun sold by the government? Sure it's a different set of circumstances but wouldn't the police department have a huge black eye when a gun they sold is used in a crime? Shouldn't we expect the police department to follow the laws?
Many small police departments sell their seized firearms to help raise funds to help the department
So when Cabela’s sells a firearm used later in in a crime should they be ashamed too?
What’s the difference?
One difference is that Cabelas isn't under a court order to destroy the firearms.
Many local agencies still sell (bid out) seized firearms. Some departments pass ordinances to prohibit, agency by agency
Post by: ribka on February 21, 2019, 08:53:12 PM
No offense
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Didn't we all get red in the face mad when that border patrol agent got killed by a gun sold by the government? Sure it's a different set of circumstances but wouldn't the police department have a huge black eye when a gun they sold is used in a crime? Shouldn't we expect the police department to follow the laws?
Many small police departments sell their seized firearms to help raise funds to help the department
So when Cabela’s sells a firearm used later in in a crime should they be ashamed too?
What’s the difference?
One difference is that Cabelas isn't under a court order to destroy the firearms.
Post by: Stein on February 21, 2019, 08:55:36 PM
Quote
We receive guns that are turned in from community members that they no longer want the guns and want them destroyed. We also have guns that are evidence and when a case is adjudicated the guns are ordered by the court to be destroyed.
Post by: mountainman on February 21, 2019, 09:14:03 PM
https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.41.098
Scroll to 2.a.
Post by: Dan-o on February 21, 2019, 09:31:13 PM
The Police can have perfectly valid reasons to destroy firearms. I imagine they get some junk and they might not have a gunsmith on hand to safety check these firearms. Waste of a tool? Sure, maybe.
Meanwhile, Benchmade was doing a civil service. No shame on their end at all.
Post by: KFhunter on February 21, 2019, 09:32:39 PM
This is a total nonissue:
The Police can have perfectly valid reasons to destroy firearms. I imagine they get some junk and they might not have a gunsmith on hand to safety check these firearms. Waste of a tool? Sure, maybe.
Meanwhile, Benchmade was doing a civil service. No shame on their end at all.
:yeah:
bout about those campaign contributions, I'm mixed on that one
Post by: Dan-o on February 21, 2019, 09:34:37 PM
This is a total nonissue:
The Police can have perfectly valid reasons to destroy firearms. I imagine they get some junk and they might not have a gunsmith on hand to safety check these firearms. Waste of a tool? Sure, maybe.
Meanwhile, Benchmade was doing a civil service. No shame on their end at all.
:yeah:
bout about those campaign contributions, I'm mixed on that one
Weren't those private person donations?
I didn't think they were from Benchmark, but I could be wrong.
If I'm right, I wouldn't even consider holding a company responsible for a private parties contributions.
Post by: KFhunter on February 21, 2019, 09:40:23 PM
I'm not even sure it was the owner, but a few pages ago a HW'r said it was benchmade's owner giving money to dems, some of them rabid anti-gun.
If it's a private party donation, why is it flagged Benchmade? Why wouldn't it just be a name? That it's associated with benchmade means something? or nothing?
Post by: Dan-o on February 21, 2019, 09:56:55 PM
if the private party happens to be the owner?
I'm not even sure it was the owner, but a few pages ago a HW'r said it was benchmade's owner giving money to dems, some of them rabid anti-gun.
If it's a private party donation, why is it flagged Benchmade? Why wouldn't it just be a name? That it's associated with benchmade means something? or nothing?
I don't know.
But it sounds like the Dem that got the most money is very pro 2A (0% Brady rating). D or R, if he votes pro 2A, he votes pro 2A.
I also think I don't want to start using owners contribution patterns as a litmus test for doing business with them.
My tax lady is super liberal, but she does my very complex taxes really well
Post by: Bob33 on February 21, 2019, 10:02:44 PM
1. Find a company, organization, or individual that firearms owners and sportsmen support.
2. Do research and find some dirt or something, however small, that may fracture the support.
3. Post it on a media site.
4. Grab some popcorn, sit back and enjoy the show as the supporters rip each other to shreds.
5. Grin.
6. Repeat.
Post by: ribka on February 21, 2019, 10:21:33 PM
Here is the quote from the police chief, Jim Band, as well as the Mayor Dan Holladay:QuoteWe receive guns that are turned in from community members that they no longer want the guns and want them destroyed. We also have guns that are evidence and when a case is adjudicated the guns are ordered by the court to be destroyed.
The court does not order to destroy evidence . The court orders to dispose of evidence just like a seized vehicle
That again is a lie. 27 years dealing with this have never seen this
The
Post by: Windwalker on February 21, 2019, 10:38:50 PM
Once the information from FPC is available the public will have a better grasp of the situation.
The writing is on the wall but without all the facts, perception of proof makes a poor foundation for decisions.
That said, the evidence so far should give pause for thought and brings some valid concerns into focus.
Firearms Policy Coalition (FPC) is requesting that the Oregon City Police turn over “records about the destruction of firearms” from July 1, 2018, to the present. FPC is also requesting the police department turn over “all records that are, relate, or refer to communications with, to, or from Benchmade” for the same period.
"We receive guns that are turned in" (means nothing & isn't admission to a thing) "We also have guns that are evidence and when a case is adjudicated the guns are ordered by the court to be destroyed." Again - no admission if they were part of the inventory in question. "We also have" points to they are still in possession.
Why didn't they just come out with a statement saying the inventory of guns destroyed was done in line with department policy and cases adjudicated by the court to be destroyed. Hence the renewed vigor of scrutiny.
"the police department follows Oregon statute 98.245 and 98.336 when disposing of property" -
"These guns were required to be destroyed." By department policy not Oregon Law - which we may disagree with but technically is fine.
Post by: Dan-o on February 21, 2019, 11:49:17 PM
Anti gun/hunters playbook.
1. Find a company, organization, or individual that firearms owners and sportsmen support.
2. Do research and find some dirt or something, however small, that may fracture the support.
3. Post it on a media site.
4. Grab some popcorn, sit back and enjoy the show as the supporters rip each other to shreds.
5. Grin.
6. Repeat.
I completely agree.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on February 22, 2019, 02:49:05 AM
Ya I don't have a problem with destroying guns except in the case of civil forfeiture, which SCUTOS just ruled against so no more issues there!
They didn't rule against civil forfeiture. Just that which is "excessive."
Post by: Fl0und3rz on February 22, 2019, 03:49:35 AM
A business is a business and an individual in an individual. They're two separate entities.
That used to be the case. It is less black and white now that everything has to be politicized by the left, from banking, to food, to shaving. There's no denying that.
If Dale decided to donate to Inslee, I'd have to consider the wisdom and return on his "investment," while hwing to have him consider the implications. Kind of different than putting money in someone's pockets for a product, have that someone work against you, politically, and having no OTHER say about it than taking your money elsewhere.
Otherwise, if the donation was to, say, Everytown or some other explicitly gun grabbing PAC, then the case would be more straightforward and eye-opening. As it stands, with far more expenditures related to simple industry lobbying, and with 2018 expenditures to candidates being a mixed bag (NRA-A or 60ish%; GOA-60/17)*, it is less clear. Getting into bed with rent-seeking politicians is like that. This is nothing new.
https://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?id=D000047693
Otherwise, otherwise, the left has pushed politics into everything. The right, by necessity, has been forced to make political considerations in typically and historically apolitical aspects of life. The lesson here is that business leaders and owners need to be intimately familiar with their customers, and in modern American business life that includes their customers' political preferences, before making political moves that might reflect poorly on their company from their customer base's perspectives. Although, "get woke, go broke" is a pithy slogan that has dubious financial forecast value, it represents an increasing awareness on the right of the problems of political ignorance and inaction.
Otherwise, otherwise, otherwise, you could always shield your donations with layers of shell organizations to hide disclosure of your political motives, as is tradition.
*
https://votesmart.org/candidate/74517/martin-heinrich?categoryId=37#.XG_by-yIaf0
https://votesmart.org/candidate/evaluations/10813/kurt-schrader/37#.XG_bJeyIaf0
I'll still stick with initial my wait and see, for now, and hope that Benchmade has learned a valuable business and political lesson.
Post by: Windwalker on February 27, 2019, 10:51:23 PM
https://guntalk.libsyn.com/benchmade-talks-about-destroying-guns-donations-to-anti-gunners-oregons-strict-gun-control-bill-gun-talk-radio-22419-a
Benchmade Talks About Destroying Guns, Donations to Anti-Gunners; Oregon's Strict Gun Control Bill: Gun Talk Radio| 2.24.19 A
Tom talks with Matt Elliott, Director of Marketing for Benchmade Knives, about the company destroying firearms for the Oregon City Police Department and donating to anti-gun Democrats. Plus, Oregon Firearms Federation's Kevin Starrett about the latest gun control proposals in OR, including a max purchase of 20 rounds of ammo a month, and special guest Gun Talk's Kevin Jarnagin.
Post by: JLS on March 02, 2019, 07:50:17 PM
I guess I am more pragmatic about the issue. Police regularly destroy guns used in crimes after it is all settled. Selling those guns is not within the law and not a good idea - I wouldn't want to own a gun with a serial number tied to a crime and find out that there were other crimes with the same gun that I could potentially be tied to.
So, the police has to destroy them. Benchmade could do it for free, or the police could pay someone else. If they pay someone else either my taxes need to go up to cover that or they take money from other areas like hiring another officer.
Every police station in the country does this and has done it forever. Nobody has cared before social media made it easy to get all lathered up and pound on keyboards.
Thank God there is some common sense around here. Too bad it’s not as contagious as the knee jerk paranoia.
Post by: JLS on March 02, 2019, 07:54:27 PM
Here are some more companies that have supported democrats to add to the boycott list:
Smith & Wesson
Remington Arms
National Shooting Sports Foundation
Safari Club International
Cabelas
Walmart
Safeway
Amazon
Costco
Chevrolet
Dodge
Ford
Every other vehicle manufacturer
Every major gas station and petroleum producer
International dairy foods association
Do all of these companies donate 100% of their political donations to Dem PACs? I know there are quite a few gun-friendly Dems, mostly in Red states. So I can understand some across the aisle donations. The timber companies do that, too. But donating 100% to Dem PACs, where the money is usually distributed among many politicians' campaigns is a different story. A supposedly hunter-friendly/2A-friendly company who donates nothing to the right side of the aisle may not be as 2A friendly as their statement suggests.
Please research open secrets. Benchmade DID NOT donate. An employee of Benchmade did, an individual or the immediate family member of an individual. Could have been the president, could have been the janitor's wife, could have been a guy they fired. We don't know who it was.
To say Benchmade 100% supports "Dem PACs" is a lie. Benchmade didn't support any Dems according to open secrets and Benchmade employees directly contributed to two democrats, not PACs.
Actually it was the owners. So I'm pretty sure they speak for Benchmark.
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No, the owner's speak for themselves; if Benchmark as a company made the donations they'd be speaking for Benchmark. It's no different than your signature line which states that your opinions don't necessarily represent the opinions of the HuntWa forum.
Except they own the company. I don't own this site. I can't speak for the site. They most definitely speak for their company. It's their company. Do you think their beliefs change when they get to work?
Those donations they made were with the profits of their company.
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My personal beliefs don't always reflect how I've run any of my companies and the majority of business owners I've worked with are the same way. Work is work and my personal views and opinions are mine, not my company's.
The money that the owners donated wasn't profits from the business, it was money they earned by going to work. What someone does with their paycheck represents the actions of the that individual, not the company that issues their paycheck. :twocents:
You sir need to realize the world is only black or it’s white. This idea of looking at things with a shade of gray will it be tolerated :chuckle: