Post by: boneaddict on February 22, 2019, 04:11:20 PM
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Post by: NOCK NOCK on February 22, 2019, 05:40:19 PM
Good for obvious reasons, Bad- Could possibly delay the delisting.....if it ever actually even has a possibility of happening.
Post by: Special T on February 22, 2019, 05:44:29 PM
:tup:can the tribe sell them to non tribal hunters? Be a good way for them to make money and clean a few more wolves outNo natives only
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Post by: Special T on February 22, 2019, 05:47:03 PM
IMO, Good and Bad in this.Or it could force the hand to re assess the deal. It's not like the wdfw was going to slip by with zero lawsuits playing nice.
Good for obvious reasons, Bad- Could possibly delay the delisting.....if it ever actually even has a possibility of happening.
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Post by: greenhead_killer on February 22, 2019, 07:00:08 PM
Post by: huntnfmly on February 22, 2019, 07:12:48 PM
IMO, Good and Bad in this.Good point
Good for obvious reasons, Bad- Could possibly delay the delisting.....if it ever actually even has a possibility of happening.
Post by: boneaddict on February 22, 2019, 07:15:35 PM
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Post by: bigmacc on February 22, 2019, 07:22:54 PM
Delisting is a joke I believe. If it is a possibility I think this may move it along. It looks like this move was a good part at making them reevaluate Wolf management in this state.
:yeah:, IMHO delisting will never happen(in this state), this may cause some unpleasant pressure but I,m thinking they won't cave. Hope I,m really really wrong :tup:
Post by: Tbar on February 22, 2019, 07:31:59 PM
IMO, Good and Bad in this.With the criteria there is zero chance this will delay delisting. There are way too many identified packs in that region.
Good for obvious reasons, Bad- Could possibly delay the delisting.....if it ever actually even has a possibility of happening.
Post by: Tracker0721 on February 22, 2019, 09:21:33 PM
Post by: Birdguy on February 22, 2019, 10:27:16 PM
IMO, Good and Bad in this.With the criteria there is zero chance this will delay delisting. There are way too many identified packs in that region.
Good for obvious reasons, Bad- Could possibly delay the delisting.....if it ever actually even has a possibility of happening.
:yeah: :yeah: EXACTLY! This area is far and away above the requirement for delisting.IF the Colville's are so successful they remove enough wolves to take them to less then the 5 breeding pairs in this area that would be amazing and so good for them! But I do not see that being a reality. I just see this as a good thing and hope more proactive measures are taken. I like many are not opposed to having wolves but a FEAR of man and management needs to a priority.
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 23, 2019, 07:02:18 AM
IMO, Good and Bad in this.
Good for obvious reasons, Bad- Could possibly delay the delisting.....if it ever actually even has a possibility of happening.
There's no way that hunting is going to eliminate the number of packs in the NE enough to negatively affect delisting guidelines. There are approximately 3 million packs in that area, approximately. There may be a few less than that.
Post by: MtnMuley on February 23, 2019, 09:39:12 AM
Delisting is a joke I believe. If it is a possibility I think this may move it along. It looks like this move was a good part at making them reevaluate Wolf management in this state.
:yeah:
If you're willing to wait around for this state to delist, you're crazy. They need to be killing now and if it's only the Colville's that can legally kill them on the north half, then fine. In the end, a bullet in the lungs is a bullet in the lungs. :tup:
Post by: nwwanderer on February 23, 2019, 10:37:41 AM
Post by: bearpaw on February 23, 2019, 10:56:22 AM
:tup:can the tribe sell them to non tribal hunters? Be a good way for them to make money and clean a few more wolves out
I like this comment, the Colville Tribe almost held a bear hunt for non-tribal members, it was nearly approved. Since they have management authority I wonder of they could hold a non-tribal member wolf season? I'm not sure they could do it on the public ground in the north half but they could probably do it on tribal lands.
Post by: Tbar on February 23, 2019, 11:53:28 AM
Imagine the benefit of the Colville Tribe and the local cattle Farmers working together. :IBCOOL:Does Kretz work with the tribe much?
Post by: wheels on February 23, 2019, 12:44:00 PM
Post by: wolfbait on February 23, 2019, 06:12:19 PM
Delisting is a joke I believe. If it is a possibility I think this may move it along. It looks like this move was a good part at making them reevaluate Wolf management in this state.
:yeah:
If you're willing to wait around for this state to delist, you're crazy. They need to be killing now and if it's only the Colville's that can legally kill them on the north half, then fine. In the end, a bullet in the lungs is a bullet in the lungs. :tup:
:yeah:
The tribe recognizes the damage an over population of wolves is having on the ungulates, and without an open season any amount of wolf control is virtually impossible while WDFW pretend everything is going along just fine. As Bone stated, if anything this will draw a comparison, and should generate some questions as to why WDFW aren't recognizing the impact wolves are having on the game herds etc.. On the other hand WDF&Wolves are probably comparing notes with their fake environmental partners, coming up with their propaganda spin, "wolves are good, they make the aspen grow and beaver flourish" and delisting is the farthest thing from their plans..
Post by: NOCK NOCK on February 23, 2019, 06:53:13 PM
IMO, Good and Bad in this.With the criteria there is zero chance this will delay delisting. There are way too many identified packs in that region.
Good for obvious reasons, Bad- Could possibly delay the delisting.....if it ever actually even has a possibility of happening.
I'm talking State wide.
But Like Bone said, could speed it up also.
Post by: Tbar on February 23, 2019, 07:09:15 PM
Statewide? Your logic still makes no sense. There's specific regional thresholds. That region has too many wolves even if the north half has zero.IMO, Good and Bad in this.With the criteria there is zero chance this will delay delisting. There are way too many identified packs in that region.
Good for obvious reasons, Bad- Could possibly delay the delisting.....if it ever actually even has a possibility of happening.
I'm talking State wide.
But Like Bone said, could speed it up also.
Post by: ne kid on February 23, 2019, 07:35:22 PM
Post by: PlateauNDN on February 23, 2019, 07:43:55 PM
Anytime I see wolf tracks I’m forwarding it along to the Rez bucks bulls predators page with a GPS pin. Hopefully they change the mt. Lion regs too!
Send me them to. I have an in-law whoa colville and wants wolf pelts.
Post by: PolarBear on February 23, 2019, 08:18:55 PM
Post by: PlateauNDN on February 23, 2019, 09:20:35 PM
I just got off the phone with my buddy in Republic who is friends with a bunch of folks in the tribe. He said it was B.S. and it might be in the works but nothing solid yet.
My in-law showed me this.
Post by: Dan-o on February 23, 2019, 10:41:14 PM
I just got off the phone with my buddy in Republic who is friends with a bunch of folks in the tribe. He said it was B.S. and it might be in the works but nothing solid yet.
My in-law showed me this.
Hmmmmm......
Post by: h20hunter on February 23, 2019, 10:46:38 PM
I just got off the phone with my buddy in Republic who is friends with a bunch of folks in the tribe. He said it was B.S. and it might be in the works but nothing solid yet.
My in-law showed me this.
Shoot em.....shoot em .....shoooot the
Post by: Angry Perch on February 26, 2019, 01:47:11 PM
:chuckle:I just got off the phone with my buddy in Republic who is friends with a bunch of folks in the tribe. He said it was B.S. and it might be in the works but nothing solid yet.
My in-law showed me this.ShootChoot em.....shootChoot em .....shooootChoooot thegatorwoof!
Post by: bowhunterforever on February 26, 2019, 02:12:12 PM
Solid game management. WDFW should take note. :tup::yeah: :tup: :tup:
Post by: KFhunter on February 26, 2019, 02:32:34 PM
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Post by: KFhunter on February 27, 2019, 04:40:16 PM
Post by: PlateauNDN on February 27, 2019, 06:21:03 PM
I think the biggest issue you will find is that the Tribes are not bound by Washington harvest laws... let that one sink in... What methods could they use that we cannot?
Any legal method as defined by the tribes laws. Rifle, bow, muzzy, trapping...etc. In the case of the Colville they have legal hound hunting, but I don't know if they can hunt wolves with hounds.
Post by: bearpaw on February 27, 2019, 08:49:34 PM
I think the biggest issue you will find is that the Tribes are not bound by Washington harvest laws... let that one sink in... What methods could they use that we cannot?
Any legal method as defined by the tribes laws. Rifle, bow, muzzy, trapping...etc. In the case of the Colville they have legal hound hunting, but I don't know if they can hunt wolves with hounds.
It could be tried, but could be very dangerous for the dogs. I don't know of any hound hunters who would purposely try to chase wolves, that can end badly.
Post by: KFhunter on February 27, 2019, 10:03:51 PM
I think the biggest issue you will find is that the Tribes are not bound by Washington harvest laws... let that one sink in... What methods could they use that we cannot?
Any legal method as defined by the tribes laws. Rifle, bow, muzzy, trapping...etc. In the case of the Colville they have legal hound hunting, but I don't know if they can hunt wolves with hounds.
It could be tried, but could be very dangerous for the dogs. I don't know of any hound hunters who would purposely try to chase wolves, that can end badly.
ya, no :chuckle:
It would take years to get that going, all different dogs, training, breeding etc and then I don't think it'd work well in the brush and timber with sight dogs like borzi? wolfhounds etc all sight dogs, then big robust catch dogs
meh
interesting old video
Post by: idaho guy on February 28, 2019, 01:14:21 PM
I think the biggest issue you will find is that the Tribes are not bound by Washington harvest laws... let that one sink in... What methods could they use that we cannot?
Any legal method as defined by the tribes laws. Rifle, bow, muzzy, trapping...etc. In the case of the Colville they have legal hound hunting, but I don't know if they can hunt wolves with hounds.
It could be tried, but could be very dangerous for the dogs. I don't know of any hound hunters who would purposely try to chase wolves, that can end badly.
ya, no :chuckle:
It would take years to get that going, all different dogs, training, breeding etc and then I don't think it'd work well in the brush and timber with sight dogs like borzi? wolfhounds etc all sight dogs, then big robust catch dogs
meh
interesting old video
I personally would never even consider putting my dogs on a wolf track. I have turned down nice lion tracks just because of fresh wolf track also in the area. But hounddoggers in Wisconsin were doing it with success before their wolf hunt was shut down. I believe most of them were using walkers. What they said is they tried to only turn out on single wolf tracks and would bay the wolf up like a bear that wont tree. It was only a few years ago but they were having success with hounds not any big special or hybrid dogs. I was interested in it and read a few things on it. I am with bearpaw I would not want to do it with any dogs I liked! :chuckle:
Post by: boneaddict on February 28, 2019, 01:27:54 PM
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Post by: idaho guy on February 28, 2019, 01:52:37 PM
I'm familiar with the Mongolians using dogs, but those wolves over there are not as big as these beasts that were imported from Canada that we have. Hound hunters in Idaho and Montana have had their hounds eaten on multiple occasions by wolves. A larger breed and about a dozen of them running together might get the job done.
Wisconsin I think has had record number of bear dogs mauled and killed recently after they eliminated any wolf hunting. But they were baying up and killing wolves successfully with regular 40-50 lb walkers when they could. Not huge packs 3 maybe 4 walkers hard to believe but it was happening. They tried to turn out on single tracks but that seems sketchy because the single could be going to meet 10 more. I think around 2013 or 14 it was ended. You can google some outdoor articles too. Pretty interesting
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on February 28, 2019, 03:43:59 PM
I had wolves come in on three of my hounds one time this winter. There was two or three of them and they approached my dogs at a jog until they were ~10 yards away. My dogs were nose down and working hard on a tough track. When the wolves were right on top of them my lead dog (whisper- 35lbs...) looked up and saw the wolf and immediately charged while bawling. Thank goodness the wolves ran. The dogs ran them ~300 yards and came back. It was scary for sure and I am surprised the dogs acted that way and really surprised the wolves responded that way.
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Post by: bearpaw on February 28, 2019, 05:08:34 PM
supposedly the wolves scatter pretty good when they are being chased by dogs.
I had wolves come in on three of my hounds one time this winter. There was two or three of them and they approached my dogs at a jog until they were ~10 yards away. My dogs were nose down and working hard on a tough track. When the wolves were right on top of them my lead dog (whisper- 35lbs...) looked up and saw the wolf and immediately charged while bawling. Thank goodness the wolves ran. The dogs ran them ~300 yards and came back. It was scary for sure and I am surprised the dogs acted that way and really surprised the wolves responded that way.
I'm surprised too, and glad nothing bad happened.
Post by: Southpole on February 28, 2019, 05:08:59 PM
Post by: HighCountryHunter88 on February 28, 2019, 06:07:10 PM
Heck. That's what these guy's were bred for. Throw in some over sized pitbulls and have at it.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190301/6dd81fa487b3cd9dd43c9084eea2f3fd.jpg)
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Sight hounds won’t do much good here and pit bulls wouldn’t do anything at all
Post by: bearpaw on February 28, 2019, 06:18:47 PM
Post by: HighCountryHunter88 on February 28, 2019, 07:43:11 PM
HC, some type of cross with a hound might work, as I'm sure you know quite a few guys have successfully crossed hounds with various types of breeds for various purposes
Oh yea I’m sure there’s something that could bred up eventually. There is some guy in MT that was crossing kangals and blueticks I think? Just couldn’t get the stamina and nose to keep strong enough in the pups if I remember right.
Post by: ne kid on February 28, 2019, 08:25:35 PM
Post by: HighlandLofts on February 28, 2019, 08:27:15 PM
There is no purpose to having them out there in these times
Post by: idaho guy on March 01, 2019, 09:40:58 AM
HC, some type of cross with a hound might work, as I'm sure you know quite a few guys have successfully crossed hounds with various types of breeds for various purposes
Oh yea I’m sure there’s something that could bred up eventually. There is some guy in MT that was crossing kangals and blueticks I think? Just couldn’t get the stamina and nose to keep strong enough in the pups if I rememberI've heard snares have been set on the north half,with some success already by the tribe. :)
:tup: that’s their secret weapon hope they really get after it with snares!
Post by: Hoythunter on March 01, 2019, 09:45:58 AM
supposedly the wolves scatter pretty good when they are being chased by dogs.
I had wolves come in on three of my hounds one time this winter. There was two or three of them and they approached my dogs at a jog until they were ~10 yards away. My dogs were nose down and working hard on a tough track. When the wolves were right on top of them my lead dog (whisper- 35lbs...) looked up and saw the wolf and immediately charged while bawling. Thank goodness the wolves ran. The dogs ran them ~300 yards and came back. It was scary for sure and I am surprised the dogs acted that way and really surprised the wolves responded that way.
I’d turn tail too if I had her hot on my azz! I don’t think anyone’s told whisper she’s only 35 lbs.....yet something tells me she couldn’t care less.
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on March 01, 2019, 10:13:54 AM
Lol- you're right about that. She sounds quite a bit bigger!supposedly the wolves scatter pretty good when they are being chased by dogs.
I had wolves come in on three of my hounds one time this winter. There was two or three of them and they approached my dogs at a jog until they were ~10 yards away. My dogs were nose down and working hard on a tough track. When the wolves were right on top of them my lead dog (whisper- 35lbs...) looked up and saw the wolf and immediately charged while bawling. Thank goodness the wolves ran. The dogs ran them ~300 yards and came back. It was scary for sure and I am surprised the dogs acted that way and really surprised the wolves responded that way.
I’d turn tail too if I had her hot on my azz! I don’t think anyone’s told whisper she’s only 35 lbs.....yet something tells me she couldn’t care less.
Post by: bearpaw on March 01, 2019, 09:58:09 PM
HC, some type of cross with a hound might work, as I'm sure you know quite a few guys have successfully crossed hounds with various types of breeds for various purposes
Oh yea I’m sure there’s something that could bred up eventually. There is some guy in MT that was crossing kangals and blueticks I think? Just couldn’t get the stamina and nose to keep strong enough in the pups if I remember right.
The best crosses I've seen were hound/airdale, hound/greyhound, hound/birddog, and hound/stockdog. Unfortunately when you start crossing breeds it's hard to get uniformity in breeding, sometimes the pups work, often times they don't, you probably know or have heard of a lot of the guys who had many of these crossed bloodlines I'm talking about.
I really wanted to run hounds on coyotes but WA outlawed that too. It would be interesting to try crossing hounds with some larger breed to hunt wolves, but I'm not sure if that would be legal to chase them with dogs, even in Idaho. Probably it would work best to run some bigger crosses with a good trailing hound, the other dogs could follow the hound until the wolf is jumped and then take over.
I've done a fair amount of breeding in past years and uniformity was one of my biggest considerations. My son has gotten into about the same bloodlines I used to breed and his pups are usually spoken for before they are weened. He has a litter of nine right now, the eyes just opened, two pups are still available if you know a good hunter looking for a good walker hound.
Post by: idaho guy on March 02, 2019, 11:01:20 AM
HC, some type of cross with a hound might work, as I'm sure you know quite a few guys have successfully crossed hounds with various types of breeds for various purposes
Oh yea I’m sure there’s something that could bred up eventually. There is some guy in MT that was crossing kangals and blueticks I think? Just couldn’t get the stamina and nose to keep strong enough in the pups if I remember right.
The best crosses I've seen were hound/airdale, hound/greyhound, hound/birddog, and hound/stockdog. Unfortunately when you start crossing breeds it's hard to get uniformity in breeding, sometimes the pups work, often times they don't, you probably know or have heard of a lot of the guys who had many of these crossed bloodlines I'm talking about.
I really wanted to run hounds on coyotes but WA outlawed that too. It would be interesting to try crossing hounds with some larger breed to hunt wolves, but I'm not sure if that would be legal to chase them with dogs, even in Idaho. Probably it would work best to run some bigger crosses with a good trailing hound, the other dogs could follow the hound until the wolf is jumped and then take over.
I've done a fair amount of breeding in past years and uniformity was one of my biggest considerations. My son has gotten into about the same bloodlines I used to breed and his pups are usually spoken for before they are weened. He has a litter of nine right now, the eyes just opened, two pups are still available if you know a good hunter looking for a good walker hound.
I am not sure you need to cross anything :dunno: The Wisconsin hunters were getting it done with walkers and said they were not losing dogs? I was thinking hounds with a few Airedales or the huge wolf hounds added in would be the ticket if they would pack up and hunt together. Idaho doesn't allow it but it seems like a pretty efficient way to hunt wolves with all the wolf tracks I seem to cut every year
Post by: grundy53 on March 02, 2019, 11:04:15 AM
Team them up with some hounds to guide them in :chuckle:Heck. That's what these guy's were bred for. Throw in some over sized pitbulls and have at it.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190301/6dd81fa487b3cd9dd43c9084eea2f3fd.jpg)
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Sight hounds won’t do much good here and pit bulls wouldn’t do anything at all
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Post by: bearpaw on March 03, 2019, 08:22:39 AM
HC, some type of cross with a hound might work, as I'm sure you know quite a few guys have successfully crossed hounds with various types of breeds for various purposes
Oh yea I’m sure there’s something that could bred up eventually. There is some guy in MT that was crossing kangals and blueticks I think? Just couldn’t get the stamina and nose to keep strong enough in the pups if I remember right.
The best crosses I've seen were hound/airdale, hound/greyhound, hound/birddog, and hound/stockdog. Unfortunately when you start crossing breeds it's hard to get uniformity in breeding, sometimes the pups work, often times they don't, you probably know or have heard of a lot of the guys who had many of these crossed bloodlines I'm talking about.
I really wanted to run hounds on coyotes but WA outlawed that too. It would be interesting to try crossing hounds with some larger breed to hunt wolves, but I'm not sure if that would be legal to chase them with dogs, even in Idaho. Probably it would work best to run some bigger crosses with a good trailing hound, the other dogs could follow the hound until the wolf is jumped and then take over.
I've done a fair amount of breeding in past years and uniformity was one of my biggest considerations. My son has gotten into about the same bloodlines I used to breed and his pups are usually spoken for before they are weened. He has a litter of nine right now, the eyes just opened, two pups are still available if you know a good hunter looking for a good walker hound.
I am not sure you need to cross anything :dunno: The Wisconsin hunters were getting it done with walkers and said they were not losing dogs? I was thinking hounds with a few Airedales or the huge wolf hounds added in would be the ticket if they would pack up and hunt together. Idaho doesn't allow it but it seems like a pretty efficient way to hunt wolves with all the wolf tracks I seem to cut every year
I suppose if you run enough dogs together size isn't as important. But there have been a lot of hounds killed and eaten by wolves in Idaho and in Wisconsin, sometimes it's the whole dog pack that gets killed/eaten!
I've had a few dogs killed by bear and cougar through the years, it's almost always the best dogs that die, the lesser dogs are never in danger's way.
Post by: idaho guy on March 03, 2019, 01:04:18 PM