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Big Game Hunting => Deer Hunting => Topic started by: sturgeon seeker on March 26, 2009, 06:06:21 PM

Title: 3 point or better
Post by: sturgeon seeker on March 26, 2009, 06:06:21 PM: what do you guy's think if you vote no please explain why
Title: Re: 3 point or better
Post by: mudlugger on March 26, 2009, 06:11:17 PM: yes that would be a good thing let the babys grow up
Title: Re: 3 point or better
Post by: 7mag. on March 26, 2009, 06:12:17 PM: I voted no because from what I understand, it's not healthy for the herd to have too high of a buck to doe ratio. I'm no biologist, but that seems to be the case with the management area's I've read about.
Title: Re: 3 point or better
Post by: PolarBear on March 26, 2009, 06:12:45 PM: 3 point or better for all deer during general season and 2 point or better for mule deer by limited permit only.
Title: Re: 3 point or better
Post by: jdb on March 26, 2009, 06:13:49 PM: seems to have worked pretty well in much of the state.
Title: Re: 3 point or better
Post by: littlebuf on March 26, 2009, 06:14:49 PM: i think this is a real bad idea. i hunt deer on the west side but my buddy owns property on the east side. he is sure that the three point or better rule has weekend the jean pool. he's been seeing the same two points for years and he says there getting more the norm for these deers not having the antler growth past 2 points. tho there legal over here i will pass on two pointers unless im at the very end of the season
Title: Re: 3 point or better
Post by: sturgeon seeker on March 26, 2009, 06:17:25 PM: i think in some area's it is a good thing. like the vail tree farm its spike or better out there and i think it's hurt the deer population as far as big bucks go. i killed my biggest blacktail buck out there about six years ago. and now i hardly see anything over a forked horn. go figure :dunno: :dunno: :dunno:
Title: Re: 3 point or better
Post by: sturgeon seeker on March 26, 2009, 06:23:32 PM: hey heading to hancock this sunday who wants to meet up and do some scouting and shed hunting with a couple of my friends. be cool to meet some people off this board who have the permits we can meet in the bridge gate at the turn out on your left when you go throu the gate. the first one you come to.
Title: Re: 3 point or better
Post by: Curly on March 26, 2009, 06:27:57 PM: I say no......here is why: check out this (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,19549.msg228713.html)thread
in particular pay attention to what muleyguy had to say. I wish he was still visiting this site......I guess he gave up. :dunno: ......he was very knowledgeable

Quote from: muleyguy on February 04, 2009, 11:45:45 AM

I have provided extensive, biological documentation, from at least 5 separate sources that say basically three things about 3 pt and 4pt or better rules, here are the conclusions:

1. They work as a short term stimulus to better buck to doe ratio's
2. The buck to doe ratio stagnates at best over time; goes down at worst
3. The number of "mature" animals, over time, is decreased because it focus' the hunting pressure on mature animals instead of over the entire herd.

that is what the rules do; that has been the experience and what the research has shown, biologists all over the West. It isn't my opinion and has nothing to with any agenda. All these different studies and biologist could be wrong; I doubt it though.
Title: Re: 3 point or better
Post by: Gobble Gobble on March 26, 2009, 06:29:18 PM: I voted no because there are some units that produce some BIG two points and that is as big as they get. For management purposes in some units a two point or better is a good idea.
Title: Re: 3 point or better
Post by: littlebuf on March 26, 2009, 06:30:12 PM: what time you going in? im going Saturday but i might be able to shoot up Sunday also. im ridiculously punctual so if im not there when you tell me i aint coming
Title: Re: 3 point or better
Post by: Ray on March 26, 2009, 06:30:40 PM: I vote no because sometimes does need thinned out and I agree with Gobble Gobble.
Title: Re: 3 point or better
Post by: billythekidrock on March 26, 2009, 06:33:46 PM: No on the 3pt.
I would love 2 point or better on the westside but allowing spikes for youth and disabled.
Title: Re: 3 point or better
Post by: agchawk on March 26, 2009, 06:37:14 PM: I agree with quote below. I think it pretty much sums it up....it's good for short periods but needs to be adjusted periodically to ensure that you have a proper buck/doe ratio and a proper number of mature bucks. Adjusting the rule every few years would also allow folks to weed out the big forkies that will never grow additional points and will keep them from passing their genes throughout the herd(s).

Quote from: Curly on March 26, 2009, 06:27:57 PM
I say no......here is why: check out http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,19549.msg228713.html#quickreply (http://this)thread
in particular pay attention to what muleyguy had to say. I wish he was still visiting this site......I guess he gave up. :dunno: ......he was very knowledgeable

Quote from: muleyguy on February 04, 2009, 11:45:45 AM
huntnphool/bone

I have provided extensive, biological documentation, from at least 5 separate sources that say basically three things about 3 pt and 4pt or better rules, here are the conclusions:

1. They work as a short term stimulus to better buck to doe ratio's
2. The buck to doe ratio stagnates at best over time; goes down at worst
3. The number of "mature" animals, over time, is decreased because it focus' the hunting pressure on mature animals instead of over the entire herd.

that is what the rules do; that has been the experience and what the research has shown, biologists all over the West. It isn't my opinion and has nothing to with any agenda. All these different studies and biologist could be wrong; I doubt it though.
Title: Re: 3 point or better
Post by: Bookworm on March 26, 2009, 06:37:51 PM: :yeah:
Title: Re: 3 point or better
Post by: 280ackley on March 26, 2009, 06:47:11 PM: Quote from: billythekidrock on March 26, 2009, 06:33:46 PM
No on the 3pt.
I would love 2 point or better on the westside but allowing spikes for youth and disabled.
I agree 100%.
Title: Re: 3 point or better
Post by: Huntbear on March 26, 2009, 06:50:20 PM: Quote from: billythekidrock on March 26, 2009, 06:33:46 PM
No on the 3pt.
I would love 2 point or better on the westside but allowing spikes for youth and disabled.

Exactly how I feel about this.
Title: Re: 3 point or better
Post by: mudlugger on March 26, 2009, 07:58:52 PM: :IBCOOL:
Title: Re: 3 point or better
Post by: gasman on March 26, 2009, 08:20:15 PM: Can't Eat Antlers........
Title: Re: 3 point or better
Post by: MooseStock on March 26, 2009, 08:22:58 PM: It would be a great idea if the tribes weren't right there to shoot them when you let them go......but they will never go along with it so it kind of becomes like letting the wild salmon loose and only keeping hatchery fish....and then they net them all...............Les
Title: Re: 3 point or better
Post by: kramman on March 27, 2009, 02:55:06 AM: my :twocents:state should go to a 2pt. our better rule.lets the young ones grow and the big okanagon 2pts get :hunter:
Title: Re: 3 point or better
Post by: huntnphool on March 27, 2009, 02:59:53 PM: Quote from: Curly on March 26, 2009, 06:27:57 PM
I wish he was still visiting this site......I guess he gave up. :dunno: ......he was very knowledgeable

I agree, he shouldn't let a difference of opinion deter him.
Title: Re: 3 point or better
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on March 27, 2009, 03:07:14 PM: I voted no. One-size-fits-all, rarely is the best local solution. To quote someone I respect: "If the only tool in your toolbox is a hammer, you tend to view every problem as a nail."
Title: Re: 3 point or better
Post by: huntnphool on March 27, 2009, 03:09:54 PM: Abraham Maslow :tup:
Title: Re: 3 point or better
Post by: 7mag. on March 27, 2009, 04:21:43 PM: Quote from: DOUBLELUNG on March 27, 2009, 03:07:14 PM
I voted no. One-size-fits-all, rarely is the best local solution. To quote someone I respect: "If the only tool in your toolbox is a hammer, you tend to view every problem as a nail."

Now that's a good quote.
Title: Re: 3 point or better
Post by: littlebuf on March 27, 2009, 04:46:39 PM: im really surprised to see all the yes votes? you guys should really look into the long term affects on deer and deer quality
Title: Re: 3 point or better
Post by: oneezreiter on March 27, 2009, 04:54:09 PM: :yeah:
+1
if we only harvest the top of the herd then those little guys are the only ones breeding.
Title: Re: 3 point or better
Post by: huntnphool on March 27, 2009, 05:19:34 PM: Does anyone know the estimated buck/doe ratio for the east side areas right now?
Title: Re: 3 point or better
Post by: Gobble Gobble on March 30, 2009, 05:23:41 PM: I had a thought today while driving instead of saying 2pt or 3pt or better can the WDFW say 2pt "ONLY" say for those units that are normally 3pt or better and have lots of monster 2pt. This way only those genetic stunted 2pt are eliminated allowing others to grow and breed.
Title: Re: 3 point or better
Post by: lokidog on March 30, 2009, 06:50:43 PM: I voted no because on the island where I live, it is very rare to see a 3 point buck. Sometimes we see a fork with brow tines but mostly the genetics are for forks. The first buck I got in Muzzleloader season last year was 6 to 7 years old, fork with brow tines. Of the 5 bucks my wife and I have gotten in the last 3 years, only one other had a single brow tine.

In response to "you can't eat the antlers", true but you get about 50% more meat from a two year old than a one year old and about double on a three year olsd than a one year old.

Over all, I would answer yes with some exceptions.

:twocents: