Post by: jackelope on February 26, 2019, 10:08:28 PM
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Post by: Tbar on February 26, 2019, 10:12:52 PM
Post by: bigtex on February 26, 2019, 10:16:39 PM
So that is not a picture from Duvall? Just propaganda?Correct
Post by: jackelope on February 26, 2019, 10:20:50 PM
So that is not a picture from Duvall? Just propaganda?
Propaganda seems like a strong word.
The comment says something to the effect that ...the wolf looked something like this....
Who knows what they were. A buddy who lives up there said the tracks were too big to be coyotes. Didn’t say they were wolf tracks...just too big to be coyotes.
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Post by: bearpaw on February 26, 2019, 10:33:32 PM
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Post by: hughjorgan on February 27, 2019, 06:00:48 AM
They’re on the west side of the mountains and that’s a fact and with the deep snow they’re are in the lower elevations where foods at
Good, it’s about time the liberals get a taste of what these critters are about
Post by: STARVATION on February 27, 2019, 06:03:39 AM
Post by: Southpole on February 27, 2019, 08:16:44 AM
They’re on the west side of the mountains and that’s a fact and with the deep snow they’re are in the lower elevations where foods at
:yeah:
Been over here for awhile, they’re just harder to spot.
Post by: Widgeondeke on February 27, 2019, 08:33:59 AM
Post by: MtnMuley on February 27, 2019, 08:37:09 AM
They’re on the west side of the mountains and that’s a fact and with the deep snow they’re are in the lower elevations where foods at
:yeah:
Been over here for awhile, they’re just harder to spot.
Shouldn't be very hard at all with the millions of people on that side and the ability to set trail cams. :twocents:
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 27, 2019, 08:39:09 AM
Post by: Southpole on February 27, 2019, 09:12:00 AM
There have been wolves on the wet side for several years. Wasn't there a report a couple months ago about wolves around Everett or something?Skagit/mt. Baker areas, Darrington and Granite Falls so far. And yes mtnmuley, people have captured wolves on there cameras and it is also very brushy over here to easily spot animals. Your average person on the west coast wouldn’t notice or pay that much attention at spotting wildlife either in my opinion.
Post by: Henrydog on February 27, 2019, 09:13:04 AM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on February 27, 2019, 09:18:40 AM
most would assume they were lost german sheperds or huskies and set out organic dog food while calling the dog rescue people.There have been wolves on the wet side for several years. Wasn't there a report a couple months ago about wolves around Everett or something?Skagit/mt. Baker areas, Darrington and Granite Falls so far. And yes mtnmuley, people have captured wolves on there cameras and it is also very brushy over here to easily spot animals. Your average person on the west coast wouldn’t notice or pay that much attention at spotting wildlife either in my opinion.
Post by: bearpaw on February 27, 2019, 09:21:19 AM
Post by: Southpole on February 27, 2019, 09:23:19 AM
:chuckle: Kinda what I was thinkingmost would assume they were lost german sheperds or huskies and set out organic dog food while calling the dog rescue people.There have been wolves on the wet side for several years. Wasn't there a report a couple months ago about wolves around Everett or something?Skagit/mt. Baker areas, Darrington and Granite Falls so far. And yes mtnmuley, people have captured wolves on there cameras and it is also very brushy over here to easily spot animals. Your average person on the west coast wouldn’t notice or pay that much attention at spotting wildlife either in my opinion.
Post by: Moonlite hunter on February 27, 2019, 10:45:41 AM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on February 27, 2019, 11:15:56 AM
A couple of years ago I swear that one was hit on I90 near North Bend?
There ways, WDFW said so.👍
Post by: jackelope on February 27, 2019, 12:20:26 PM
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Post by: huntnfmly on February 27, 2019, 12:24:50 PM
Post by: bobcat on February 27, 2019, 12:29:37 PM
Post by: bearpaw on February 27, 2019, 12:42:24 PM
If I'm not mistaken that horse owner could have shot and killed them if they were in the process of attacking his horses right?
Western WA is still listed as federally endangered, I'm not sure if you can shoot to protect livestock? Anyone know for sure?
Post by: jackelope on February 27, 2019, 12:43:03 PM
That doesn't sound like wolves, in my opinion. If it had been wolves a horse would be dead.
Later on in that thread she says she thinks these were hybrid wolf/dogs.
Post by: bobcat on February 27, 2019, 12:45:44 PM
Post by: Southpole on February 27, 2019, 12:48:03 PM
I'm pretty certain that it doesn't matter what kind of animal it is, if it's on your property and attacking your animals you can shoot it or kill it any way you like.:yeah: That's where I'm at
Post by: huntnfmly on February 27, 2019, 01:00:14 PM
That's the reason for my questionIf I'm not mistaken that horse owner could have shot and killed them if they were in the process of attacking his horses right?
Western WA is still listed as federally endangered, I'm not sure if you can shoot to protect livestock? Anyone know for sure?
I'm not sure and was wondering why they wouldn't have gone out there armed but then I was thinking it is on the Westside
Post by: Twispriver on February 27, 2019, 01:26:22 PM
Post by: Fl0und3rz on February 27, 2019, 01:34:21 PM
https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,235345.msg3144071.html#msg3144071
Post by: ironhead14 on February 27, 2019, 02:41:49 PM
Wolf tracks are going to be about 5" in size and 3 or 4 feet between steps, bigger in size and stride than most dogs, they are incredibly huge. I would expect wolves to show up soon, they are running out of new territory on the east side! :dunno:Trust me, they have done run out of food!
Post by: mtn muley madness on February 27, 2019, 03:11:11 PM
Post by: fly-by on February 27, 2019, 04:46:49 PM
Stevens to Money creek where did that come from why not Index creek. Besides they go where there is food not where non is present.Because those are two low passes close to a known population, and they've already been seen on the pipeline road in the past. I don't claim to know the exact path they took to get to Duvall
Post by: Born2late on February 27, 2019, 06:16:17 PM
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Post by: kevinlisa06 on February 27, 2019, 07:25:10 PM
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Post by: jackelope on February 27, 2019, 08:38:28 PM
Wolves were confirmed 5 months ago in Duvall area. I’m sorry but I’m glad this happened. The lady’s horse that was attacked not good but it was bound to happen and hopefully some of these idiots on the Wetside get a taste of what they do and it opens their eyes.@kevinlisa06
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I’ve lived in Duvall for 15 years and am pretty in touch with the local wildlife gossip. Can you show me where wolves were confirmed in Duvall 5 months ago?
Also I mentioned that the lady with the horses that got chased said the dogs looked like mutts. Not wolves. Who knows what’s legit and what’s not in this scenario.
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Post by: jackelope on February 27, 2019, 08:41:32 PM
My wife just showed me the post Jackalope, I guess the original one you posted is up Mountain View and the lady who’s horse was being attacked is 1 mile up from Safeway. It sounded like both sightings have been reported to fish and game and they are coming out to track them.Accurate.
The one up Mountain View was posted by a friend of ours.
I’m not sure where the horses are just north of Safeway. Up Big Rock a bit. Someone is sure they saw wolves. The other person thinks they were “hybrids”.
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Post by: Moonlite hunter on February 28, 2019, 06:00:53 AM
Post by: SuperX on February 28, 2019, 08:19:38 AM
I live on the pipeline trail and walk there often, and I have seen plenty of coyotes but never a wolf. I'm a little skeptical about the confirmation of wolves there unless it is up by the reservoir where we can't go, but if they are there that would def be an eye opener.
Post by: jackelope on February 28, 2019, 12:36:16 PM
The pipeline is about 3 miles up Big Rock road and that is where my buddy reported seeing them a couple years ago. I was also born and raised in Duvall and my family has been up by Lake Margaret since 1926. This is a good eye opener for all the wolf loving people. I feel bad for people that have been dealing with this for a long time. I have hunted most of the state and I can't believe how bad it's getting. It makes me sick watching the politics destroy my home state.
So the post that sparked this thread originally came from the road up the hill right before you take the last right turn to go to the lake.
Post by: kevinlisa06 on February 28, 2019, 07:10:48 PM
Wife said it was confirmed but thinking maybe not now that she showed me this. Fish and game was supposed to show up at the ladies house today but now it’s tomorrow.
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Post by: jackelope on March 01, 2019, 01:33:19 PM
Judging by the type of people that live in Duvall these days... MAYBE there were wolves that were passing through up by Lake Margaret due to the proximity to Stossel and the tree farm but I'm calling 100% BS on any wolves "just up the hill from Safeway". I know a lot of people that live at Lake Margaret and I wouldn't believe most of them if they told me they saw a wolf up there. Not because they're dishonest, but because they have no idea the difference between a wolf and a coyote. I have friends that have had elk in their yard up Mountain View though and wolves like elk so there's that I guess...
If you read the post, you'll see the lady saying she didn't think the safeway mutts were wolves.
Post by: CoryTDF on March 01, 2019, 02:10:10 PM
I have no doubt that the new population in that area would most likely see a coyote or a wild dog and think it to be a wolf. It is almost an annex of Seattle these days :bash:. Speaking of that I remember my Dad and uncles hunting down a pack of wild dogs that terrorized Lake Joy. That was probably in 1986-87 or so. They came into my yard when I was on my swing set and dad shot at them. Cant remember if they ever actually killed any of them.
Anyway, wolves in western Washington is probably our only hope of any future management. Seems like the fatal 5 counties have to experience it or it wont matter to them.
Post by: jackelope on March 03, 2019, 07:07:13 PM
Post by: JakeLand on March 03, 2019, 08:04:23 PM
I was told today that WDFW eventually came out to the location of the first post and the verdict was inconclusive.of course it was inconclusive! Not saying it is or isn’t but the fact is the wardens don’t know their @$$ from a hole in the ground when it comes to much on predators or fur bearers they’ve proven that time and time again!! Remember North Bend is a hop skip and a jump from Duval
Post by: jackelope on March 03, 2019, 08:08:07 PM
I was told today that WDFW eventually came out to the location of the first post and the verdict was inconclusive.of course it was inconclusive! Not saying it is or isn’t but the fact is the wardens don’t know their @$$ from a hole in the ground when it comes to much on predators or fur bearers they’ve proven that time and time again!! Remember North Bend is a hop skip and a jump from Duval
Not arguing with you at all but I’m Pretty sure that game wardens aren’t the ones deciding about species ID.
Post by: SuperX on March 04, 2019, 09:27:46 AM
:yeah:I was told today that WDFW eventually came out to the location of the first post and the verdict was inconclusive.of course it was inconclusive! Not saying it is or isn’t but the fact is the wardens don’t know their @$$ from a hole in the ground when it comes to much on predators or fur bearers they’ve proven that time and time again!! Remember North Bend is a hop skip and a jump from Duval
Not arguing with you at all but I’m Pretty sure that game wardens aren’t the ones deciding about species ID.
Post by: huntnfmly on March 04, 2019, 09:34:05 AM
Maybe I read the last few posts wrong but if the wardens aren't the ones deciding on wether these are wolves or not then why send them out to these scenes?:yeah:I was told today that WDFW eventually came out to the location of the first post and the verdict was inconclusive.of course it was inconclusive! Not saying it is or isn’t but the fact is the wardens don’t know their @$$ from a hole in the ground when it comes to much on predators or fur bearers they’ve proven that time and time again!! Remember North Bend is a hop skip and a jump from Duval
Not arguing with you at all but I’m Pretty sure that game wardens aren’t the ones deciding about species ID.
Post by: jackelope on March 04, 2019, 10:16:56 AM
Maybe I read the last few posts wrong but if the wardens aren't the ones deciding on wether these are wolves or not then why send them out to these scenes?:yeah:I was told today that WDFW eventually came out to the location of the first post and the verdict was inconclusive.of course it was inconclusive! Not saying it is or isn’t but the fact is the wardens don’t know their @$$ from a hole in the ground when it comes to much on predators or fur bearers they’ve proven that time and time again!! Remember North Bend is a hop skip and a jump from Duval
Not arguing with you at all but I’m Pretty sure that game wardens aren’t the ones deciding about species ID.
I don't think anyone said the wardens were coming out. WDFW came out...not game wardens.
Post by: huntnfmly on March 04, 2019, 10:26:42 AM
Thank you for that.Maybe I read the last few posts wrong but if the wardens aren't the ones deciding on wether these are wolves or not then why send them out to these scenes?:yeah:I was told today that WDFW eventually came out to the location of the first post and the verdict was inconclusive.of course it was inconclusive! Not saying it is or isn’t but the fact is the wardens don’t know their @$$ from a hole in the ground when it comes to much on predators or fur bearers they’ve proven that time and time again!! Remember North Bend is a hop skip and a jump from Duval
Not arguing with you at all but I’m Pretty sure that game wardens aren’t the ones deciding about species ID.
I don't think anyone said the wardens were coming out. WDFW came out...not game wardens.
I always just figured that's who they send out
Post by: Skyvalhunter on March 04, 2019, 04:43:18 PM
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Post by: Dan-o on March 07, 2019, 08:25:15 PM
Saw 2 run across the road right in front of me on High Rock. I'm not an idiot or a Democrat!!!! They were definitely wolves!
No need to be redundant.
Post by: fly-by on March 08, 2019, 07:57:38 AM
Saw 2 run across the road right in front of me on High Rock. I'm not an idiot or a Democrat!!!! They were definitely wolves!Was this recently?
Post by: skagitsteel on March 14, 2019, 01:49:03 PM
There's been wolf sightings on game cameras in the Mt Baker wilderness for years now and I've HEARD that Washington Department of no Fish and no Game says there 'may be up to 3 wolves roaming from the skagit side of Baker to the whatcom side of Mt Baker' even though more than 3 different wolves have been seen on game cameras. Yet when you go to WDFW's website nothing has been updated since 2015 ....why? They obviously haven't stopped collecting data or spending our money. Do we not have the opportunity to see any of the data that's been collected in the last 4 years? Is there somewhere I can go to look at RELEVANT information from WDFW on the current wolf numbers and locations in our state? Are they only acknowledging the existence of wolves if they've confirmed a breeding pair to down play the REAL wolf numbers?
I saw my first Western WA wolf pic from a friends camera in late 2014 West of baker lake. I documented 2 different wolves on my cameras in 2015 and another in 2016, the state has these photos. I have personally seen at least 8-10 different animals between my cameras and friends cameras. One of those photos shows two wolves together. Also, I got a direct report from two different hunters I know and saw the pictures from both of multiple sets of wolf tracks side by side in the snow, two totally different spots more than 20 miles apart, Skagit County. Last fall on a mid-September morning I heard two unmistakeable wolf howls right before dawn that sounded like two different animals on opposite ridges from each other. In my opinion, I think we could potentially have 20 or more animals in this county alone, I'm 100% sure we have one pack and I think it is very possible there is a second pack in southern Skagit/ Snohomish County. The areas that showed evidence of a pack have taken a drastic drop in ungulate numbers. The ecosystem was already exceeding carrying capacity for predators and a few wolves are certainly tipping it over the edge, I have one mountain that had a resident population of 20-30 blacktail deer, it has dropped to less than 5 in a period of two years. Lots of trail cam data to back that up too. Heres a fe western wa wolf pics from my cams, ignore the dates they arent correct.
Post by: 2MANY on March 14, 2019, 03:25:50 PM
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Post by: Boss .300 winmag on March 14, 2019, 03:40:13 PM
There's been wolf sightings on game cameras in the Mt Baker wilderness for years now and I've HEARD that Washington Department of no Fish and no Game says there 'may be up to 3 wolves roaming from the skagit side of Baker to the whatcom side of Mt Baker' even though more than 3 different wolves have been seen on game cameras. Yet when you go to WDFW's website nothing has been updated since 2015 ....why? They obviously haven't stopped collecting data or spending our money. Do we not have the opportunity to see any of the data that's been collected in the last 4 years? Is there somewhere I can go to look at RELEVANT information from WDFW on the current wolf numbers and locations in our state? Are they only acknowledging the existence of wolves if they've confirmed a breeding pair to down play the REAL wolf numbers?
I saw my first Western WA wolf pic from a friends camera in late 2014 West of baker lake. I documented 2 different wolves on my cameras in 2015 and another in 2016, the state has these photos. I have personally seen at least 8-10 different animals between my cameras and friends cameras. One of those photos shows two wolves together. Also, I got a direct report from two different hunters I know and saw the pictures from both of multiple sets of wolf tracks side by side in the snow, two totally different spots more than 20 miles apart, Skagit County. Last fall on a mid-September morning I heard two unmistakeable wolf howls right before dawn that sounded like two different animals on opposite ridges from each other. In my opinion, I think we could potentially have 20 or more animals in this county alone, I'm 100% sure we have one pack and I think it is very possible there is a second pack in southern Skagit/ Snohomish County. The areas that showed evidence of a pack have taken a drastic drop in ungulate numbers. The ecosystem was already exceeding carrying capacity for predators and a few wolves are certainly tipping it over the edge, I have one mountain that had a resident population of 20-30 blacktail deer, it has dropped to less than 5 in a period of two years. Lots of trail cam data to back that up too. Heres a fe western wa wolf pics from my cams, ignore the dates they arent correct.
Seen on Hwy 20 just west of Concrete in November, you don’t need to go step and deep to see them.😉
Post by: HighlandLofts on March 14, 2019, 06:45:26 PM
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Post by: HighlandLofts on March 15, 2019, 01:03:37 AM
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Post by: huntingfool7 on March 15, 2019, 06:22:41 AM
If I'm not mistaken that horse owner could have shot and killed them if they were in the process of attacking his horses right?
Western WA is still listed as federally endangered, I'm not sure if you can shoot to protect livestock? Anyone know for sure?
@Bearpaw
Quoted from this article -
http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2019/feb/08/wolf-shot-killed-in-adams-county-in-area-with-no-d/?fbclid=IwAR2vMoX5m-JNyqr68kCFlSMxzAJT-S1QYExfsU_Gmk5qIO1ebsDKCq0p9zw
"The shooting has been deemed lawful by a preliminary investigation, according to Martorello. Although the Washington wolf plan does not allow private citizens to kill wolves, a subsequent WDFW commission rule allows for the killing of wolves caught in the act of attacking cattle, Martorello said.
“In areas of Washington where wolves are not listed under the federal Endangered Species Act, WAC 220-440-080 states the owner of domestic animals (or an immediate family member, agent, or employee) may kill one gray wolf without a permit issued by the WDFW director if the wolf is attacking their domestic animals,” according to a WDFW news release." --Quote of Donny Martorello, the wolf policy lead for the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife.--
Post by: Southpole on March 15, 2019, 07:59:10 AM
Just in case some of the Darrington clan get frisky?:chuckle: That IS very possible
Post by: HighlandLofts on March 15, 2019, 11:46:22 AM