Post by: hunter399 on March 31, 2019, 08:23:57 PM
781 Spring tags
139 tags filled
The next numbers I just can't believe.
487 people said they hunted there spring tag.
That leaves 294 people that draw a spring bear tag and didn't even hunt the tag one day .
Also 101 people did not report .
That may of hunted but didn't harvest it's just unknown.
So if anybody wanted to know why spring harvest numbers are so low .Cause 1/3 to 1/2 of people are not hunting there tag and or not reporting.
I urge anybody with a tag to please at least hunt one day of there hunt and to report when hunt is over.
Link to where I got info.
https://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/management/game-harvest/2017/black-bear-spring#
Post by: h20hunter on March 31, 2019, 09:05:53 PM
Post by: Dan-o on March 31, 2019, 09:12:12 PM
It would be interesting to know how many hunter days per bear..... And then if you took the top 10% out, how many hunter days per bear.
I have some hunts pretty dialed in but not bear.
I drew a spring tag last year and never saw a bear.
I'm sure who really knew what they were doing and put in the number of days /i did would get a bear.
Post by: Bango skank on March 31, 2019, 09:15:04 PM
Post by: h20hunter on March 31, 2019, 09:16:42 PM
Post by: bearpaw on March 31, 2019, 09:45:50 PM
Often times agencies use a formula to establish tag numbers based on knowing some hunters won't hunt or be successful. Remember spring tags were doubled a few years ago due to low success. I think they could open up a general spring season just like Idaho without harming the population, especially since we can't use bait or hounds.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on April 01, 2019, 05:22:42 AM
Post by: Rob on April 01, 2019, 07:10:28 AM
I have been guilty of buying a multi-season tag (2 times now) and not taking advantage of it. Too many conflicting hobbies make it hard to get in the woods. I suspect that is part of the problem. I put in for points for OIL tags on years that I know it will be a challenge to get out in the field.
I wonder if the "non-participation rate" is higher or lower for the 2017 spring bear than it is for tags in general? I.E. How many people buy an over the counter elk tag and don't hunt it...
Post by: hunter399 on April 01, 2019, 08:27:26 AM
Always easier to catch a trout when you have your fly in the water... Also easier to shoot a bear if you spend time in the woods...I am guilty of buying elk tag and not hunting elk.
I have been guilty of buying a multi-season tag (2 times now) and not taking advantage of it. Too many conflicting hobbies make it hard to get in the woods. I suspect that is part of the problem. I put in for points for OIL tags on years that I know it will be a challenge to get out in the field.
I wonder if the "non-participation rate" is higher or lower for the 2017 spring bear than it is for tags in general? I.E. How many people buy an over the counter elk tag and don't hunt it...
Sometimes I'm so tired after early deer season that I use elk in between to map search ,check game cam,and get ready for late buck
Post by: Bango skank on April 01, 2019, 09:03:14 AM
Always easier to catch a trout when you have your fly in the water... Also easier to shoot a bear if you spend time in the woods...I am guilty of buying elk tag and not hunting elk.
I have been guilty of buying a multi-season tag (2 times now) and not taking advantage of it. Too many conflicting hobbies make it hard to get in the woods. I suspect that is part of the problem. I put in for points for OIL tags on years that I know it will be a challenge to get out in the field.
I wonder if the "non-participation rate" is higher or lower for the 2017 spring bear than it is for tags in general? I.E. How many people buy an over the counter elk tag and don't hunt it...
Sometimes I'm so tired after early deer season that I use elk in between to map search ,check game cam,and get ready for late buck
Yeah, but if you waste your elk tag, thats your problem, nobody cares. In fact id say most people are glad to have less elk hunters and deer hunters getting out there. Its not like wasting a spring bear permit, we need those getting filled. We dont need your elk tag getting filled.
Post by: Stein on April 01, 2019, 09:20:51 AM
If they didn't want to limit the amount of bears shot, they would issue a ton of tags or even a general season and collect more money on license sales.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on April 01, 2019, 09:23:52 AM
Since that same bear can’t be killed in the fall on a general tag?Always easier to catch a trout when you have your fly in the water... Also easier to shoot a bear if you spend time in the woods...I am guilty of buying elk tag and not hunting elk.
I have been guilty of buying a multi-season tag (2 times now) and not taking advantage of it. Too many conflicting hobbies make it hard to get in the woods. I suspect that is part of the problem. I put in for points for OIL tags on years that I know it will be a challenge to get out in the field.
I wonder if the "non-participation rate" is higher or lower for the 2017 spring bear than it is for tags in general? I.E. How many people buy an over the counter elk tag and don't hunt it...
Sometimes I'm so tired after early deer season that I use elk in between to map search ,check game cam,and get ready for late buck
Yeah, but if you waste your elk tag, thats your problem, nobody cares. In fact id say most people are glad to have less elk hunters and deer hunters getting out there. Its not like wasting a spring bear permit, we need those getting filled. We dont need your elk tag getting filled.
Post by: Bango skank on April 01, 2019, 10:09:26 AM
Since that same bear can’t be killed in the fall on a general tag?Always easier to catch a trout when you have your fly in the water... Also easier to shoot a bear if you spend time in the woods...I am guilty of buying elk tag and not hunting elk.
I have been guilty of buying a multi-season tag (2 times now) and not taking advantage of it. Too many conflicting hobbies make it hard to get in the woods. I suspect that is part of the problem. I put in for points for OIL tags on years that I know it will be a challenge to get out in the field.
I wonder if the "non-participation rate" is higher or lower for the 2017 spring bear than it is for tags in general? I.E. How many people buy an over the counter elk tag and don't hunt it...
Sometimes I'm so tired after early deer season that I use elk in between to map search ,check game cam,and get ready for late buck
Yeah, but if you waste your elk tag, thats your problem, nobody cares. In fact id say most people are glad to have less elk hunters and deer hunters getting out there. Its not like wasting a spring bear permit, we need those getting filled. We dont need your elk tag getting filled.
Sure it can, but by then its already had its impact on our fawns and calfs for the year. Plus its a lot less likely to be killed in the fall. Much easier to fill a bear tag in may up here than it is in september
Post by: HoofsandWings on April 01, 2019, 10:17:35 AM
You can't shoot first and buy the tag later. Plus I put in for the points option for each permit I am qualified for. It is nice to have should I decide to actually choose to put in for a hunt.
Post by: buckfvr on April 01, 2019, 12:36:40 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on April 01, 2019, 01:13:56 PM
You guys are giving wdfw way too much credit.......Sitting way over there, your guesses and other comments are so far off base its funny.....you have not a clue whats going on over here. Thinking theyre doing the right thing over here or waiting for them to do it is a lost cause, we need aggressive predator control now, as in more predators removed from the mix, and that can only be cats and bears since the wolves are still safe, and have pushed the balance of nature past the tipping point. If you guys are unwilling to listen to guys that live here in these woods, so be it, but dont try and tell us we are wrong or stupid, because we arent. You guys just arent here enough or at all to see for yourselves.I’m not sure who in this thread has given wdfw too much credit. Or who you are referring to saying “way over there” if it’s me you are so far off base it isn’t funny. I live in Spokane and hunt the NE every year.
If it’s not me then carry on. :chuckle:
Post by: Bango skank on April 01, 2019, 02:01:51 PM
You guys are giving wdfw way too much credit.......Sitting way over there, your guesses and other comments are so far off base its funny.....you have not a clue whats going on over here. Thinking theyre doing the right thing over here or waiting for them to do it is a lost cause, we need aggressive predator control now, as in more predators removed from the mix, and that can only be cats and bears since the wolves are still safe, and have pushed the balance of nature past the tipping point. If you guys are unwilling to listen to guys that live here in these woods, so be it, but dont try and tell us we are wrong or stupid, because we arent. You guys just arent here enough or at all to see for yourselves.I’m not sure who in this thread has given wdfw too much credit. Or who you are referring to saying “way over there” if it’s me you are so far off base it isn’t funny. I live in Spokane and hunt the NE every year.
If it’s not me then carry on. :chuckle:
Everybody who claims wdfw is keeping bear harvest at an appropriate level is giving wdfw too much credit
Post by: Stein on April 01, 2019, 03:16:08 PM
The place where hunters can make a difference is the general tag.
Post by: JakeLand on April 01, 2019, 03:41:06 PM
From my perspective they open the spring tag a month too early there’s too much snow and not enough green. The last week of the spring season is marginal at best on a good year on a year like this it’s going to be a tough one. The Monroe tag was decent but wait they took that tag out of the draw
Post by: jackelope on April 01, 2019, 04:11:38 PM
You guys are giving wdfw way too much credit.......Sitting way over there, your guesses and other comments are so far off base its funny.....you have not a clue whats going on over here. Thinking theyre doing the right thing over here or waiting for them to do it is a lost cause, we need aggressive predator control now, as in more predators removed from the mix, and that can only be cats and bears since the wolves are still safe, and have pushed the balance of nature past the tipping point. If you guys are unwilling to listen to guys that live here in these woods, so be it, but dont try and tell us we are wrong or stupid, because we arent. You guys just arent here enough or at all to see for yourselves.I’m not sure who in this thread has given wdfw too much credit. Or who you are referring to saying “way over there” if it’s me you are so far off base it isn’t funny. I live in Spokane and hunt the NE every year.
If it’s not me then carry on. :chuckle:
His "way over there" I was guessing was referring to us wetsiders. We barely know how to get to NE WA, nevermind hunt there.
Post by: hunter399 on April 01, 2019, 08:47:13 PM
Anyway some areas are way overpopulated ,while some areas are maybe close to decent population.Part of the problem is bear numbers are just a estimated.
Estimated 20k-25k bears in Washington maybe more
Here's a like to statewide harvest total for 2017
https://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/management/game-harvest/2017/black-bear-statewide
Post by: Pac_NW on April 02, 2019, 09:41:12 AM
Looks like this topic going down the poop hole. :chuckle:
Anyway some areas are way overpopulated ,while some areas are maybe close to decent population.Part of the problem is bear numbers are just a estimated.
Estimated 20k-25k bears in Washington maybe more
Here's a like to statewide harvest total for 2017
https://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/management/game-harvest/2017/black-bear-statewide
This is spot on, the publishes biologists reports either say, yes there are bears here, but we dont count them, or no bears in the area.
Imo it's hard to establish a quota or harvest goal if they dont have reliable data.
Post by: KFhunter on April 02, 2019, 09:52:07 AM
or how about just take our word for it, there's too many bear eating too many fawns and calves!
Post by: Limhangerslayer on April 02, 2019, 11:20:28 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 02, 2019, 11:27:13 AM