Post by: CarbonHunter on April 26, 2019, 09:51:15 PM
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Post by: kselkhunter on April 27, 2019, 09:09:21 AM
I still put in for quality elk, deer, and second deer. Even though I know I won't draw the quality tags....probably my last year on those. Was going to put in for a cow elk tag that had an average drawn with 5pts in the regs, but figured a lot of guys will point-only quality bull and maybe put in for cow and raising the points required.....didn't want to be locked in on spikes. So will stick to west side OTC elk again. Most of my hunting focus is on Oregon again, but I still hunt WA on the OTC elk/deer/bear/cougar tags every year.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on April 27, 2019, 09:19:46 AM
Only have 6 points, as that's as long as I lived here. Decided to stop buying moose, sheep, goat as I just don't believe I'll ever draw based on my age. Too bad I can't donate those points to somebody.You sort of could....find someone just starting out with a lot less points. Go in as a group, size is limited to two. You'd be bumping up their odds.
I still put in for quality elk, deer, and second deer. Even though I know I won't draw the quality tags....probably my last year on those. Was going to put in for a cow elk tag that had an average drawn with 5pts in the regs, but figured a lot of guys will point-only quality bull and maybe put in for cow and raising the points required.....didn't want to be locked in on spikes. So will stick to west side OTC elk again. Most of my hunting focus is on Oregon again, but I still hunt WA on the OTC elk/deer/bear/cougar tags every year.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 27, 2019, 09:57:42 AM
someone with 1pt just starting will have better odds of getting a tag than ANY group app regardless of points. When you are looking at sheep and goat tags that have 1-3 tags you do yourself no favors.Only have 6 points, as that's as long as I lived here. Decided to stop buying moose, sheep, goat as I just don't believe I'll ever draw based on my age. Too bad I can't donate those points to somebody.You sort of could....find someone just starting out with a lot less points. Go in as a group, size is limited to two. You'd be bumping up their odds.
I still put in for quality elk, deer, and second deer. Even though I know I won't draw the quality tags....probably my last year on those. Was going to put in for a cow elk tag that had an average drawn with 5pts in the regs, but figured a lot of guys will point-only quality bull and maybe put in for cow and raising the points required.....didn't want to be locked in on spikes. So will stick to west side OTC elk again. Most of my hunting focus is on Oregon again, but I still hunt WA on the OTC elk/deer/bear/cougar tags every year.
Kselkhunter, the only way to guarantee you dont draw is to not apply. It's an added opportunity not a guarantee. Points mean nothing and NEVER base choices off the "average points" that are in the regs. That number is an average of all successful applicants for that hunt. You get one guy in there with 1pt and it throws the whole thing off. They need to do away with that in the regs. It leads to false Hope's and anger when a guy with 11pts doesnt draw a tag "that only takes 5."
Post by: BULLBLASTER on April 27, 2019, 10:19:10 AM
Post by: jjhunter on April 27, 2019, 10:35:12 AM
I did bypass the draw to ensure that I have a quality hunt in my home state this year, but that’s only for rat deer. :chuckle:
Post by: wheels on April 27, 2019, 11:39:43 AM
Post by: CarbonHunter on April 27, 2019, 05:28:02 PM
Post by: xwizard50 on April 27, 2019, 06:37:24 PM
Post by: Bullkllr on April 27, 2019, 07:30:13 PM
Do I expect to draw?...nah
Excited?...about more NOT SELECTED...nah
There's always a glimmer of hope :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: bearpaw on April 27, 2019, 07:33:11 PM
Post by: sagerat on April 27, 2019, 07:35:46 PM
I'm so disgusted with WDFW I can't decide if I want to give them any more money tom pour into predators and spotted frogs!
I couldn’t agree more!
Post by: actionshooter on April 27, 2019, 07:37:41 PM
Post by: sagerat on April 27, 2019, 07:39:33 PM
someone with 1pt just starting will have better odds of getting a tag than ANY group app regardless of points. When you are looking at sheep and goat tags that have 1-3 tags you do yourself no favors.Only have 6 points, as that's as long as I lived here. Decided to stop buying moose, sheep, goat as I just don't believe I'll ever draw based on my age. Too bad I can't donate those points to somebody.You sort of could....find someone just starting out with a lot less points. Go in as a group, size is limited to two. You'd be bumping up their odds.
I still put in for quality elk, deer, and second deer. Even though I know I won't draw the quality tags....probably my last year on those. Was going to put in for a cow elk tag that had an average drawn with 5pts in the regs, but figured a lot of guys will point-only quality bull and maybe put in for cow and raising the points required.....didn't want to be locked in on spikes. So will stick to west side OTC elk again. Most of my hunting focus is on Oregon again, but I still hunt WA on the OTC elk/deer/bear/cougar tags every year.
Kselkhunter, the only way to guarantee you dont draw is to not apply. It's an added opportunity not a guarantee. Points mean nothing and NEVER base choices off the "average points" that are in the regs. That number is an average of all successful applicants for that hunt. You get one guy in there with 1pt and it throws the whole thing off. They need to do away with that in the regs. It leads to false Hope's and anger when a guy with 11pts doesnt draw a tag "that only takes 5."
Exactly, this is a bonus point system not preference point! Why is this such a difficult concept for people to grasp? It’s just a shade above random really...
Post by: NOCK NOCK on April 27, 2019, 08:28:27 PM
Surprised to see so many who think this is their year... few more and the number will out number the permits offered :chuckle:
I always think this is my year...…...every so often it is. Gotta play to dream/win. :twocents:
PS, It'll be a ram tag this year. :IBCOOL: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: KFhunter on April 27, 2019, 08:35:23 PM
someone with 1pt just starting will have better odds of getting a tag than ANY group app regardless of points. When you are looking at sheep and goat tags that have 1-3 tags you do yourself no favors.Only have 6 points, as that's as long as I lived here. Decided to stop buying moose, sheep, goat as I just don't believe I'll ever draw based on my age. Too bad I can't donate those points to somebody.You sort of could....find someone just starting out with a lot less points. Go in as a group, size is limited to two. You'd be bumping up their odds.
I still put in for quality elk, deer, and second deer. Even though I know I won't draw the quality tags....probably my last year on those. Was going to put in for a cow elk tag that had an average drawn with 5pts in the regs, but figured a lot of guys will point-only quality bull and maybe put in for cow and raising the points required.....didn't want to be locked in on spikes. So will stick to west side OTC elk again. Most of my hunting focus is on Oregon again, but I still hunt WA on the OTC elk/deer/bear/cougar tags every year.
Kselkhunter, the only way to guarantee you dont draw is to not apply. It's an added opportunity not a guarantee. Points mean nothing and NEVER base choices off the "average points" that are in the regs. That number is an average of all successful applicants for that hunt. You get one guy in there with 1pt and it throws the whole thing off. They need to do away with that in the regs. It leads to false Hope's and anger when a guy with 11pts doesnt draw a tag "that only takes 5."
Exactly, this is a bonus point system not preference point! Why is this such a difficult concept for people to grasp? It’s just a shade above random really...
bonus point systems really shine when the draw odds suck way too much for a preference point system. Keeps the low point guys playing (and the high point guys hope this year is the year!)
Post by: Pegasus on April 27, 2019, 08:36:13 PM
someone with 1pt just starting will have better odds of getting a tag than ANY group app regardless of points. When you are looking at sheep and goat tags that have 1-3 tags you do yourself no favors.Only have 6 points, as that's as long as I lived here. Decided to stop buying moose, sheep, goat as I just don't believe I'll ever draw based on my age. Too bad I can't donate those points to somebody.You sort of could....find someone just starting out with a lot less points. Go in as a group, size is limited to two. You'd be bumping up their odds.
I still put in for quality elk, deer, and second deer. Even though I know I won't draw the quality tags....probably my last year on those. Was going to put in for a cow elk tag that had an average drawn with 5pts in the regs, but figured a lot of guys will point-only quality bull and maybe put in for cow and raising the points required.....didn't want to be locked in on spikes. So will stick to west side OTC elk again. Most of my hunting focus is on Oregon again, but I still hunt WA on the OTC elk/deer/bear/cougar tags every year.
Kselkhunter, the only way to guarantee you dont draw is to not apply. It's an added opportunity not a guarantee. Points mean nothing and NEVER base choices off the "average points" that are in the regs. That number is an average of all successful applicants for that hunt. You get one guy in there with 1pt and it throws the whole thing off. They need to do away with that in the regs. It leads to false Hope's and anger when a guy with 11pts doesnt draw a tag "that only takes 5."
Exactly, this is a bonus point system not preference point! Why is this such a difficult concept for people to grasp? It’s just a shade above random really...
So are you saying that points don't matter? Points get squared for the drawing according to the regs. Of course if you put in for a group drawing with four hunters and the remaining available slots are three then of course you wasted your draw but if you have ten points you have one hundred times the odds of an individual that has only one point to get drawn. Of course if one million people put in for the same draw your odds plummet no matter how many points you or they have. Points matter.
Post by: sagerat on April 27, 2019, 08:49:59 PM
Post by: elkchaser54 on April 27, 2019, 09:35:41 PM
Post by: bearpaw on April 28, 2019, 11:09:31 AM
As far as I know WDFW is only restricting hunters, I'm not sure if that will make the difference needed?
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on April 28, 2019, 11:41:30 AM
Post by: MtnMuley on April 28, 2019, 03:26:10 PM
Post by: gee_unit360 on April 28, 2019, 03:38:41 PM
I'd better at least one tag with all my points this year or I'm gonna be pissed and quit.. LOL your pot committed!
Post by: MtnMuley on April 28, 2019, 04:00:06 PM
Post by: Ghost Hunter on April 28, 2019, 05:38:19 PM
Post by: CarbonHunter on May 01, 2019, 07:46:34 PM
Thinking positive and worry about being disappointed when the time comes. I am changing my focus on selections. Will be some points only choices where no choices I want.
I’m still pondering if I should keep buying points or just quit, I want to believe animal populations will increase and someday the points will be worth something again.
Post by: bornhunter on May 01, 2019, 08:50:02 PM
Post by: Crunchy on May 01, 2019, 09:00:02 PM
Post by: sagerat on May 01, 2019, 09:03:54 PM
Odds of drawing are slim but still fun to try. I do my dream hunt every year with an OTC tag in Oregon for elk. Drawing a quality elk tag here just means I dont have to drive as far. 16 pts for deer at 52 years of age has me a little worried lol. Moose, sheep and goat I dont think I will ever draw so it is like buying lotto ticket.
:yeah: I agree 100%, stop whining about the draw odds and go hunting. If you luck out and draw a tag that’s great but don’t count on it. That’s my :twocents:
Post by: bigmacc on May 01, 2019, 09:12:28 PM
At this point the only meaningful thing that can increase draw odds is to have more wildlife. That can probably only be accomplished by reducing the predator footprint, which includes hunters, indian tribes, poachers, and the ever expanding population of 4 legged predators.
As far as I know WDFW is only restricting hunters, I'm not sure if that will make the difference needed?
:tup:
Post by: huntnnw on May 01, 2019, 10:51:15 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on May 02, 2019, 07:25:07 AM
just a formality for me anymore great if I draw, but I sure dont rely on WA draw for anything great.:yeah: but with that said, I've never been on a bad permit hunt. You draw a tag, you are gonna have a good hunt.
Post by: 92xj on May 02, 2019, 07:27:52 AM
just a formality for me anymore great if I draw, but I sure dont rely on WA draw for anything great.:yeah: but with that said, I've never been on a bad permit hunt. You draw a tag, you are gonna have a good hunt.
As long as you put in serious effort.
I've seen a lot of complaints about crappy permit hunts. The few I have been on have been amazing though.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on May 02, 2019, 07:30:24 AM
yes I was gonna say that but some people get very offended when their effort is brought into question. I've had permits the same year as others on here and we've had vastly different experiences :chuckle:just a formality for me anymore great if I draw, but I sure dont rely on WA draw for anything great.:yeah: but with that said, I've never been on a bad permit hunt. You draw a tag, you are gonna have a good hunt.
As long as you put in serious effort.
I've seen a lot of complaints about crappy permit hunts. The few I have been on have been amazing though.
Post by: 92xj on May 02, 2019, 07:32:44 AM
yes I was gonna say that but some people get very offended when their effort is brought into question. I've had permits the same year as others on here and we've had vastly different experiences :chuckle:just a formality for me anymore great if I draw, but I sure dont rely on WA draw for anything great.:yeah: but with that said, I've never been on a bad permit hunt. You draw a tag, you are gonna have a good hunt.
As long as you put in serious effort.
I've seen a lot of complaints about crappy permit hunts. The few I have been on have been amazing though.
Hopefully all the offended keep slacking in the killing department
Post by: Skyvalhunter on May 02, 2019, 07:33:05 AM
Post by: avidnwoutdoorsman on May 02, 2019, 07:48:30 AM
Plus, its easier to sell it to the wife that I "must" to go hunting if I have some Special Tag :chuckle:
Post by: Karl Blanchard on May 02, 2019, 07:54:23 AM
Post by: Pegasus on May 02, 2019, 08:00:22 AM
Can't win if you don't play and even with low permit numbers there will still be winners
Karl, are you a shill for the WDFW? :chuckle:
Post by: Buzz2401 on May 02, 2019, 08:07:03 AM
Post by: Buzz2401 on May 02, 2019, 08:08:02 AM
I just see a glass half full kind of guy nothing wrong with that.Can't win if you don't play and even with low permit numbers there will still be winners
Karl, are you a shill for the WDFW? :chuckle:
Post by: Buzz2401 on May 02, 2019, 08:08:50 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on May 02, 2019, 08:25:27 AM
Oh and ask him how many times he has drawn a Quality or regular bull permit in this state lol luckyyep two points last year! If I had the same glass half empty attitude and just said screw it that 13 bucks is just too much I never would have drawn that tag. It was a great hunt too :chuckle:
Post by: buglebrush on May 02, 2019, 08:53:15 AM
Post by: Pathfinder101 on May 02, 2019, 09:20:52 AM
That being said... I started hunting Idaho two years ago and have started building points in Wyoming. I used to hunt the general elk season here in WA, but now use my time to hunt ID instead. If I draw a good tag, I'll hunt WA. As a teacher I get almost no time off in the fall. Gotta go where the animals are...
Post by: Pegasus on May 02, 2019, 09:57:33 AM
Post by: trapper on May 02, 2019, 09:58:48 AM
Post by: NOCK NOCK on May 02, 2019, 11:29:42 AM
yes I was gonna say that but some people get very offended when their effort is brought into question. I've had permits the same year as others on here and we've had vastly different experiences :chuckle:just a formality for me anymore great if I draw, but I sure dont rely on WA draw for anything great.:yeah: but with that said, I've never been on a bad permit hunt. You draw a tag, you are gonna have a good hunt.
As long as you put in serious effort.
I've seen a lot of complaints about crappy permit hunts. The few I have been on have been amazing though.
Please don’t forget.....others may not be able to hike in miles or do steep and deep. Hunting the best they can, I applaud them no matter what their skill level/physical abilities are. :twocents:
Post by: Karl Blanchard on May 02, 2019, 11:44:32 AM
correct. That's why I did not initially mention it. Everyone has a different level of "hard". With that said, a lot of people are just lazy too :chuckle:yes I was gonna say that but some people get very offended when their effort is brought into question. I've had permits the same year as others on here and we've had vastly different experiences :chuckle:just a formality for me anymore great if I draw, but I sure dont rely on WA draw for anything great.:yeah: but with that said, I've never been on a bad permit hunt. You draw a tag, you are gonna have a good hunt.
As long as you put in serious effort.
I've seen a lot of complaints about crappy permit hunts. The few I have been on have been amazing though.
Please don’t forget.....others may not be able to hike in miles or do steep and deep. Hunting the best they can, I applaud them no matter what their skill level/physical abilities are. :twocents:
Post by: trophyhunt on May 02, 2019, 11:54:15 AM
Post by: jstone on May 02, 2019, 12:30:55 PM
13 Quality Elk
Always put in for archery
I have 3 moose and 3 sheep. I will probably draw a moose or sheep. 8)
Post by: Karl Blanchard on May 02, 2019, 12:42:09 PM
13 Quality Deercoworker pulled a buck moose tag last year with 3.
13 Quality Elk
Always put in for archery
I have 3 moose and 3 sheep. I will probably draw a moose or sheep. 8)
Post by: Bango skank on May 02, 2019, 12:43:28 PM
13 Quality Deercoworker pulled a buck moose tag last year with 3.
13 Quality Elk
Always put in for archery
I have 3 moose and 3 sheep. I will probably draw a moose or sheep. 8)
What the hell is a buck moose tag?
Post by: cbond3318 on May 02, 2019, 12:44:26 PM
13 Quality Deercoworker pulled a buck moose tag last year with 3.
13 Quality Elk
Always put in for archery
I have 3 moose and 3 sheep. I will probably draw a moose or sheep. 8)
What the hell is a buck moose tag?
Its a sleeper for sure.
Post by: Pathfinder101 on May 02, 2019, 12:45:59 PM
13 Quality Deercoworker pulled a buck moose tag last year with 3.
13 Quality Elk
Always put in for archery
I have 3 moose and 3 sheep. I will probably draw a moose or sheep. 8)
Just curious Karl; was he a fairly "new" hunter in the WDFW system? Meaning that his Wild ID# is "newer" than ours?
Post by: Karl Blanchard on May 02, 2019, 12:56:28 PM
nope he's been hunting Washington for 40 years but recently decided to dip into the oils. I'll have to ask him again on his points. I'm second guessing myself now and thinking it was 6. Regardless it wasn't very many13 Quality Deercoworker pulled a buck moose tag last year with 3.
13 Quality Elk
Always put in for archery
I have 3 moose and 3 sheep. I will probably draw a moose or sheep. 8)
Just curious Karl; was he a fairly "new" hunter in the WDFW system? Meaning that his Wild ID# is "newer" than ours?
Post by: jeffitz on May 02, 2019, 02:58:48 PM
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Post by: WapitiTalk1 on May 15, 2019, 08:19:55 PM
Post by: bobcat on May 15, 2019, 08:36:23 PM
Last year I expected she'd draw the youth deer permit, and she didn't, but instead got a youth cow elk permit. I'd be fine with that again this year. But even if we have zero luck in the draw, we've got a cabin reserved in eastern Washington for the first five nights of the modern firearm mule deer season. So I'm excited about this year's hunting season, no matter if we draw special permits or not.
Post by: Bango skank on May 15, 2019, 09:10:26 PM
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Post by: X-Force on May 15, 2019, 10:12:00 PM
Post by: Dan-o on May 15, 2019, 10:58:00 PM
DEPRESSING.
Bull elk really are looking like OIL hunts..... :'( :'( :'(
Post by: danderson on May 16, 2019, 05:01:38 AM
After having my knee replaced a year ago, and turning 62 this month I'm running at about 50%, but in all honestly I get more excited helping youth get there first Deer or Elk
Post by: 92xj on May 16, 2019, 06:07:20 AM
I drew the East side hunter education incentive tag for any Bull elk in GMU's 336-346 so I'm good, should be a great year.
After having my knee replaced a year ago, and turning 62 this month I'm running at about 50%, but in all honestly I get more excited helping youth get there first Deer or Elk
Congrats! I look forward to what you find (or already found) and how the hunt goes
Post by: trophyhunt on May 16, 2019, 06:14:26 AM
I drew the East side hunter education incentive tag for any Bull elk in GMU's 336-346 so I'm good, should be a great year.That bull in your avatar is the one killed on I-90 a few years ago isn't it? Congrats on your draw!
After having my knee replaced a year ago, and turning 62 this month I'm running at about 50%, but in all honestly I get more excited helping youth get there first Deer or Elk
Post by: D-Rock425 on May 16, 2019, 06:15:10 AM
Picked my app hunts tonight.pretty sad
DEPRESSING.
Bull elk really are looking like OIL hunts..... :'( :'( :'(
Post by: MHWASH on May 16, 2019, 06:45:41 AM
Any idea on when I’ll lose the points I have aquired if I stop applying?
Post by: trophyhunt on May 16, 2019, 06:46:29 AM
I’m only putting for moose this year. I drew quality bull in ‘16 and quality deer last year. Just don’t see myself drawing again for a long while.As far as for now, never. You'll always have them
Any idea on when I’ll lose the points I have aquired if I stop applying?
Post by: Pathfinder101 on May 16, 2019, 08:37:56 AM
I drew the East side hunter education incentive tag for any Bull elk in GMU's 336-346 so I'm good, should be a great year.
After having my knee replaced a year ago, and turning 62 this month I'm running at about 50%, but in all honestly I get more excited helping youth get there first Deer or Elk
That's awesome! How many points did you have? I haven't drawn an HE tag for a few years.
Post by: danderson on May 16, 2019, 04:00:55 PM
looking forward to hunting elk in the rut, This is my 2nd incentive tag as a instructor, I had a any deer tag in the 400 gmu's a fews back passed on a few small bucks ended up eating my tag, it was a blast best season ever.
Post by: jstone on May 16, 2019, 04:08:41 PM
Post by: CarbonHunter on May 16, 2019, 08:02:31 PM
I’m only putting for moose this year. I drew quality bull in ‘16 and quality deer last year. Just don’t see myself drawing again for a long while.As far as for now, never. You'll always have them
Any idea on when I’ll lose the points I have aquired if I stop applying?
You’ll always have the points but there’s no guarantee there will be any tags for that category. Look at conflict goat if you want the proof.
Post by: Rainier10 on May 16, 2019, 08:17:54 PM
Post by: Pathfinder101 on May 17, 2019, 12:54:47 PM
I had a long history with the G-3 Bull, 1,000 plus game camera pictures, and numerous close encounters.
looking forward to hunting elk in the rut, This is my 2nd incentive tag as a instructor, I had a any deer tag in the 400 gmu's a fews back passed on a few small bucks ended up eating my tag, it was a blast best season ever.
Had a late whitetail HE tag a few years ago. Weather didn't cooperate and I wound up eating it too(only had one weekend to hunt). Good luck with the elk tag! :tup: