Post by: Thehowler on April 29, 2019, 06:04:51 AM
Off the Kapowson tree farm to new owners.
I drew a Kapowson spring bear tag this year after several years without one and noticed large blocks of land, that use to be open, now posted closed to spring bear hunters. Wondering if these large parcels will be closed to deer hunting also?
Anybody have any information on this?
Post by: trophyhunt on April 29, 2019, 06:17:49 AM
Post by: Tracker0721 on April 29, 2019, 07:11:27 AM
Post by: Alan K on April 29, 2019, 08:03:39 AM
They close them to allow APHIS to come in and snare bears. Gotta protect their timber and hunters don’t take enough.
Depredation permits are on hold this year because of a lawsuit against WDFW by CBD, so that wouldnt be the case. Even if it were, I've never heard of anyone shutting down a boot hunt because of snare or hound permits. I'd bet there are feeders put out instead until the lawsuit is resolved. I'm suprised any of these companies have boot hunts while this lawsuit is happening to be honest. While feeding isn't a long term solution it definitely cuts down on the damage in susceptible stands. Normally spring boot hunts and depredation go on simultaneously.
Post by: Thehowler on April 29, 2019, 08:37:09 AM
Post by: ASienkiewich on April 29, 2019, 12:37:07 PM
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Post by: jackelope on April 29, 2019, 12:46:21 PM
What areas? I drew the spring bear permit for kapowsin also, but decided not to buy a permit because I’m tired of Hancock
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So you drew a permit you won't use? Or is there land to hunt without an access permit?
Post by: trophyhunt on April 29, 2019, 12:59:00 PM
I believe that permit is only good for Hancock (kapowsin) land, so it won’t be used.What areas? I drew the spring bear permit for kapowsin also, but decided not to buy a permit because I’m tired of Hancock
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So you drew a permit you won't use? Or is there land to hunt without an access permit?
Post by: jackelope on April 29, 2019, 01:02:40 PM
I believe that permit is only good for Hancock (kapowsin) land, so it won’t be used.What areas? I drew the spring bear permit for kapowsin also, but decided not to buy a permit because I’m tired of Hancock
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So you drew a permit you won't use? Or is there land to hunt without an access permit?
Bummer. Someone would have appreciated that permit I bet.
Post by: grundy53 on April 29, 2019, 01:19:14 PM
I think Hancock changed their spring bear rules after the deadline. They used to offer a discounted, limited access permit for spring bear tags. They took it away. Plus you can't take your wife anymore unless she has her own permit.I believe that permit is only good for Hancock (kapowsin) land, so it won’t be used.What areas? I drew the spring bear permit for kapowsin also, but decided not to buy a permit because I’m tired of Hancock
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So you drew a permit you won't use? Or is there land to hunt without an access permit?
Bummer. Someone would have appreciated that permit I bet.
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Post by: Jellymon on April 29, 2019, 01:20:21 PM
Post by: ASienkiewich on April 30, 2019, 11:14:32 AM
I was planning on buying the discounted spring bear permit as someone else mentioned, but they did away with those this year (after the spring bear deadline). Trust me If I could give it to someone else I wouldI believe that permit is only good for Hancock (kapowsin) land, so it won’t be used.What areas? I drew the spring bear permit for kapowsin also, but decided not to buy a permit because I’m tired of Hancock
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So you drew a permit you won't use? Or is there land to hunt without an access permit?
Bummer. Someone would have appreciated that permit I bet.
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Post by: Shaqdiesel on April 30, 2019, 11:39:01 AM
Post by: ASienkiewich on April 30, 2019, 01:37:23 PM
There’s a few roads with signs saying no bear hunting and it’s really annoying honestly. I feel like they pulled a fast one on people now only selling year round permits, after you had to submit for the hunt, they limit it to half the tree farm, and this year they have pretty good sized areas closed in the south side which limits you even further and they only have one of the escapement gates open instead of all of them, I mean do you really want people killing bears or not. Seems like they don’t do anything that would indicate that. They definitely don’t do anything to encourage it. :twocents: Anyways, I’ve been up scouting and hunting and have seen very little sign, with the exception of one area with scat and a fresh peel, so I think the warm weather this weekend should get things moving along hopefully. Going to start predator calling in a week or twoWhich of the escapement gates is open?
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Post by: jackelope on April 30, 2019, 01:42:20 PM
I was planning on buying the discounted spring bear permit as someone else mentioned, but they did away with those this year (after the spring bear deadline). Trust me If I could give it to someone else I wouldI believe that permit is only good for Hancock (kapowsin) land, so it won’t be used.What areas? I drew the spring bear permit for kapowsin also, but decided not to buy a permit because I’m tired of Hancock
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So you drew a permit you won't use? Or is there land to hunt without an access permit?
Bummer. Someone would have appreciated that permit I bet.
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Gotcha.
Post by: Shaqdiesel on April 30, 2019, 05:33:55 PM
Post by: LHaub on May 01, 2019, 05:21:07 AM
Post by: Shaqdiesel on May 01, 2019, 06:03:59 AM
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Post by: Jellymon on May 01, 2019, 08:14:57 AM
653 is the Buckley portion of the kapowsin pass and there aren't any no spring bear hunting signs at the gate, the map they sent me says bear hot spots.
Read your permit letter from WDFW. It says your hunting area is the southern portion (south of Puyallup river) excluding the Eatonville portion of kapowsin timberlands within GMU 654. They do mention GMU 653 and tell you to be aware that some areas there may be closed, so I can see where there can be a little confusion. IMO they should be more specific.
The bear hunting hotspot map they sent me only shows the area south of the Puyallup river.
Post by: LHaub on May 06, 2019, 01:23:27 PM
Post by: oldschooltrucks on May 08, 2019, 10:28:40 AM
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Post by: oldschooltrucks on May 08, 2019, 09:02:40 PM
Your full of it! Clyde has no friends!
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Post by: oldschooltrucks on May 10, 2019, 07:05:34 AM
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Post by: Harleysboss on May 10, 2019, 11:33:42 AM
Did not get drawn for Montana this season so I bent over and bought the access so we could drive around in the Kapowsin tree farm.
Post by: Jellymon on May 10, 2019, 12:59:18 PM
I never understood why the timber companies don't put out a map showing exactly where they are seeing the damage. They know and WDFW knows but it's always like a 20 questions game getting info. I get the part where we need to get after it, but with big properties, limited days to get off work it seems like it would be in everyone's best interest to at least get everyone pointed in the right direction. I drew last year and had never stepped foot on their property before due to locked gates and spent probably half my time wandering around in areas that had almost zero chance of being productive.
Hancock does have a map showing where they are seeing bear damage. A quick email to them requesting it and they send one.
Post by: oldschooltrucks on May 10, 2019, 06:27:07 PM
I never understood why the timber companies don't put out a map showing exactly where they are seeing the damage. They know and WDFW knows but it's always like a 20 questions game getting info. I get the part where we need to get after it, but with big properties, limited days to get off work it seems like it would be in everyone's best interest to at least get everyone pointed in the right direction. I drew last year and had never stepped foot on their property before due to locked gates and spent probably half my time wandering around in areas that had almost zero chance of being productive.
Hancock does have a map showing where they are seeing bear damage. A quick email to them requesting it and they send one.
I don't know how quick they are at responding and the only phone number I could find is an automated message. I also got an automated email reply earlier in the week that said they're swamped with emails right now and would get back to me when they could. Maybe stop by the office and they'll give it to you? :dunno:
wish they would have told us about the feeding stations and not allowing for the discounted spring bear permit beforehand. Wonder how long before they decide to go back to all feeders and screw us hunters out of spring bear season altogether...not sure they get the results they thought they'd get from spring hunters. Kapowsin is definitely not an easy spring hunt area imo
Post by: dreamunelk on May 10, 2019, 06:29:50 PM
Post by: Alan K on May 10, 2019, 07:00:22 PM
A good hound Hunter could resolve the problem so that Hancock could quit losing trees and area could be opened back up for hunters!
Depredation permits are not available this year because of a pending lawsuit against WDFW by CBD. In recent years the new landowners in there have been doing depredation hunts. I don't believe Hancock has been.
As far as finding damage... The 'red flags' are really starting to show. Look for a stand of 12-18 year old reprod with red/yellow trees showing. That was last years damage, and new damage will be showing up shortly in the same stand if not already there. The problem is finding them in there. When fawns drop, try calling, otherwise pretty slim odds.