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Title: New muzzleloader ?
Post by: Webfoot on May 05, 2019, 09:10:59 PM
Gonna go look for a new .50 cal muzzleloader this week. Any suggestions as to brand, style or barrel length? Needs to be a 209 gun.
Title: Re: New muzzleloader ?
Post by: bkaech on May 05, 2019, 10:23:21 PM
I love my CVA optima. One of my brothers has a Night, the other brother has a Traditions, they both like mine better.
Title: Re: New muzzleloader ?
Post by: MountainDevil54 on May 05, 2019, 10:35:10 PM
Optima or Accura V2
Title: Re: New muzzleloader ?
Post by: ribka on May 05, 2019, 11:00:05 PM
https://www.muzzle-loaders.com/cva-accura-v2tm-nitride-pr3125n.html

for accuracy, ease of of c leaning no brainer
Title: Re: New muzzleloader ?
Post by: carpsniperg2 on May 06, 2019, 01:34:12 AM
I have both a accura and optima. Both are solid choices depending on what you want to spend.
Title: Re: New muzzleloader ?
Post by: BeerBugler on May 06, 2019, 06:15:52 AM
Also purchased the CVA Accura V2 through muzzle-loaders.com, no complaints, no issues. Accurate and reliable gun at an affordable price.
Title: Re: New muzzleloader ?
Post by: ACCUBOND on May 16, 2019, 05:17:18 PM
Is there an option to order the cra Accura with sights and not scope mount?
Title: Re: New muzzleloader ?
Post by: ACCUBOND on May 16, 2019, 05:17:50 PM
CVA
Title: Re: New muzzleloader ?
Post by: JakeLand on May 16, 2019, 05:36:47 PM
Yes muzzleloader.com has them I believe $450 with open sights
Title: Re: New muzzleloader ?
Post by: JakeLand on May 16, 2019, 05:39:02 PM
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Title: Re: New muzzleloader ?
Post by: WapitiTalk1 on May 16, 2019, 06:07:07 PM
Another option.... I have one, nice rig. 

https://www.muzzle-loaders.com/rifles/inline-muzzleloaders/traditions-nitride-vortek-strikerfire-ldr-edge-camo-r5992621ns.html (https://www.muzzle-loaders.com/rifles/inline-muzzleloaders/traditions-nitride-vortek-strikerfire-ldr-edge-camo-r5992621ns.html)
Title: Re: New muzzleloader ?
Post by: JakeLand on May 16, 2019, 06:15:54 PM
Another option.... I have one, nice rig. 

https://www.muzzle-loaders.com/rifles/inline-muzzleloaders/traditions-nitride-vortek-strikerfire-ldr-edge-camo-r5992621ns.html (https://www.muzzle-loaders.com/rifles/inline-muzzleloaders/traditions-nitride-vortek-strikerfire-ldr-edge-camo-r5992621ns.html)
never used one but how do you like it ?
Title: Re: New muzzleloader ?
Post by: ACCUBOND on May 16, 2019, 06:16:12 PM
Thanks
Title: Re: New muzzleloader ?
Post by: Webfoot on May 18, 2019, 09:35:29 AM
The new Accura delivered by Fed Ex yesterday from Muzzleloader.com only 3 days from order. Went to the range and shot a few rounds. It was about a foot low at 50 yds. Sight adjustment and it is right where it needs to be. Am heading to the range this morning to work on 100 yds. On the 3rd shot yesterday the palm saver broke off from the ramrod, the threaded part is still in the ramrod.
Title: Re: New muzzleloader ?
Post by: JakeLand on May 18, 2019, 12:29:19 PM
The new Accura delivered by Fed Ex yesterday from Muzzleloader.com only 3 days from order. Went to the range and shot a few rounds. It was about a foot low at 50 yds. Sight adjustment and it is right where it needs to be. Am heading to the range this morning to work on 100 yds. On the 3rd shot yesterday the palm saver broke off from the ramrod, the threaded part is still in the ramrod.
wow ! I’ve shot 100+ rounds and still like new contact CVA
What bullets are you shooting and are they super tight going down ? And do you use a bullet starter?
Title: Re: New muzzleloader ?
Post by: WSU on May 18, 2019, 02:55:37 PM
I hated my accurra and gave it away. Very easy to clean and very accurate. The only problem was the damn thing didn’t go off and cost me 2 bulls in 2 years.  I have a friend that has had the same problem with his. You literally couldn’t give me one.  :twocents:
Title: Re: New muzzleloader ?
Post by: Karl Blanchard on May 18, 2019, 03:08:53 PM
I hated my accurra and gave it away. Very easy to clean and very accurate. The only problem was the damn thing didn’t go off and cost me 2 bulls in 2 years.  I have a friend that has had the same problem with his. You literally couldn’t give me one.  :twocents:
a coworker has the same issue.  I'm always skeptical as poor maintenance is a common problem I see with most muzzy issues so I snagged it for some inspection.  Sure enough that dang thing would not go boom about 30% of the time.
Title: Re: New muzzleloader ?
Post by: Webfoot on May 18, 2019, 05:03:15 PM
Shooting 110 grains of blackhorn 209. Barnes TM-EZ 290 grains. Yes they are very hard to load. Very accurate though 2" groups at 100 yds. with open sights.
Title: Re: New muzzleloader ?
Post by: JimmyHoffa on May 18, 2019, 05:33:14 PM
Did you find the blackhorn 209 locally or have to order it? 
Title: Re: New muzzleloader ?
Post by: WapitiTalk1 on May 18, 2019, 05:39:35 PM
Another option.... I have one, nice rig. 

https://www.muzzle-loaders.com/rifles/inline-muzzleloaders/traditions-nitride-vortek-strikerfire-ldr-edge-camo-r5992621ns.html (https://www.muzzle-loaders.com/rifles/inline-muzzleloaders/traditions-nitride-vortek-strikerfire-ldr-edge-camo-r5992621ns.html)
never used one but how do you like it ?

Ha, not sure but have only heard good things. Just installed peep sights today and cleaned out factory sludge. Gonna try to get out tomorrow and cap off some 209 powder and Tradition SST Smackdown chunks of lead and see how she does. Will see how I feel. Have had some weird health issues sidelining me for a while  :P
Title: Re: New muzzleloader ?
Post by: Webfoot on May 18, 2019, 07:30:41 PM
Had to order the Blackhorm from muzzleloader.com. None here local in Forks.
Title: Re: New muzzleloader ?
Post by: WapitiTalk1 on May 18, 2019, 07:55:51 PM
Had to order the Blackhorm from muzzleloader.com. None here local in Forks.

Yep...local companies can stock/sell the pellets with no big deal, but, feign away from the synthetic powder for some reason. BH 209 makes big bucks selling the small containers.  It’s best to “go in” with a buddy and buy the larger container. 
Title: Re: New muzzleloader ?
Post by: JakeLand on May 18, 2019, 11:23:59 PM
Shooting 110 grains of blackhorn 209. Barnes TM-EZ 290 grains. Yes they are very hard to load. Very accurate though 2" groups at 100 yds. with open sights.
I’ve been using 100 gr triple 7 with a 300 gr powerbelt platinum and they’re very accurate and easy to load
And mine has never once had a hang up or miss fire I think maintenance is the key as it is with any muzzle loader
Jake
Title: Re: New muzzleloader ?
Post by: MountainDevil54 on May 19, 2019, 09:45:54 AM
yep proper maintenance is crutial. Its funny.. They made inlines to make them fool proof and yet today, we still have folks that can not figure it out. I even shoot bh209 with the factory plug with zero issues.
Title: Re: New muzzleloader ?
Post by: JakeLand on May 19, 2019, 10:26:53 AM
yep proper maintenance is crutial. Its funny.. They made inlines to make them fool proof and yet today, we still have folks that can not figure it out. I even shoot bh209 with the factory plug with zero issues.
:tup: it’s a addiction for sure but thoroughly cleaning after and checking before is crucial
Title: Re: New muzzleloader ?
Post by: WSU on May 19, 2019, 11:59:43 AM
yep proper maintenance is crutial. Its funny.. They made inlines to make them fool proof and yet today, we still have folks that can not figure it out. I even shoot bh209 with the factory plug with zero issues.
:tup: it’s a addiction for sure but thoroughly cleaning after and checking before is crucial

I can assure you both that it wasn’t a maintenance issue with me. Gun is cleaned every time and I even unload and reload every day. With my buddies, he had 2 years in a row that it would go off the first time then take 2 or 3 caps for a follow up.
Title: Re: New muzzleloader ?
Post by: Karl Blanchard on May 20, 2019, 08:26:19 AM
My very 1st gun ever was a 54 caliber Hawkins at the age of 8. I've been shooting muzzleloaders for 28 years now. I have had my big horn since 2001. I've shot literally thousands of rounds through it with not a single misfire. I'm pretty certain I know the difference between poor maintenance and a gun that is malfunctioning.  :tup:
Title: Re: New muzzleloader ?
Post by: JakeLand on May 20, 2019, 08:43:28 PM
I guess I got a Toyota of a cva ! Many many miles and works flawlessly  :tup:
Title: Re: New muzzleloader ?
Post by: Webfoot on May 20, 2019, 08:57:32 PM
JakeLand what bullet are you shooting in your CVA? I am using the Barnes TEZ and they are very hard to get down the barrel.
Title: Re: New muzzleloader ?
Post by: Karl Blanchard on May 20, 2019, 09:05:35 PM
I guess I got a Toyota of a cva ! Many many miles and works flawlessly  :tup:
the ignition issues with the accura's is no secret.  CVA is aware of it and have made design changes but still a lot of rifles out there with issues.
 Google it :tup:
Title: Re: New muzzleloader ?
Post by: JakeLand on May 20, 2019, 09:14:28 PM
I believe the issue was the firing pin bushing and spring cause of blow by they get corroded if not cleaned and lubed . I hunt the rain forest of Western Washington and maybe that’s what ensures it goes boom every time, cause if it’s gummed up or corroded the firing pin will not go far enough to hit the cap
My :twocents: and it’s worked for me so far
Title: Re: New muzzleloader ?
Post by: dilleytech on May 26, 2019, 02:59:56 PM
I guess I got a Toyota of a cva ! Many many miles and works flawlessly  :tup:
the ignition issues with the accura's is no secret.  CVA is aware of it and have made design changes but still a lot of rifles out there with issues.
 Google it :tup:

I’m in need of a new muzzy. As mine only goes off half the time. I was leaning toward CVA. If not the accura what model?
Title: Re: New muzzleloader ?
Post by: MountainDevil54 on May 26, 2019, 03:41:19 PM
ignition issues normally are an issue with the operator.

If not the Accura, The non thumb hole optima is a killer accurate muzzy.
Title: Re: New muzzleloader ?
Post by: Karl Blanchard on May 26, 2019, 05:32:23 PM
ignition issues normally are an issue with the operator.

If not the Accura, The non thumb hole optima is a killer accurate muzzy.
    But not always. Some have manufacture defects and don't work right. Like the accura which CVA warranties because it's a known issue 👍
Title: Re: New muzzleloader ?
Post by: Karl Blanchard on May 26, 2019, 05:37:25 PM
I guess I got a Toyota of a cva ! Many many miles and works flawlessly  :tup:
the ignition issues with the accura's is no secret.  CVA is aware of it and have made design changes but still a lot of rifles out there with issues.
 Google it :tup:

I’m in need of a new muzzy. As mine only goes off half the time. I was leaning toward CVA. If not the accura what model?
  I have shot THOUSANDS of rounds out of a lot of different muzzle loaders over the last 20 plus years,  and my personal preference is still knight rifles.
Title: Re: New muzzleloader ?
Post by: teanawayslayer on May 26, 2019, 06:15:40 PM
I guess I got a Toyota of a cva ! Many many miles and works flawlessly  :tup:
the ignition issues with the accura's is no secret.  CVA is aware of it and have made design changes but still a lot of rifles out there with issues.
 Google it :tup:

I’m in need of a new muzzy. As mine only goes off half the time. I was leaning toward CVA. If not the accura what model?
  I have shot THOUSANDS of rounds out of a lot of different muzzle loaders over the last 20 plus years,  and my personal preference is still knight rifles.
x2 can’t beat a knight! Wow thousands of rounds.  :tup:That’s a lot of rangetime behind a muzzy. I’ve been muzzle loading close to 20 years and can honestly say I’ve probably put 5-600 down range.
Title: Re: New muzzleloader ?
Post by: Karl Blanchard on May 26, 2019, 06:23:06 PM
I guess I got a Toyota of a cva ! Many many miles and works flawlessly  :tup:
the ignition issues with the accura's is no secret.  CVA is aware of it and have made design changes but still a lot of rifles out there with issues.
 Google it :tup:

I’m in need of a new muzzy. As mine only goes off half the time. I was leaning toward CVA. If not the accura what model?
  I have shot THOUSANDS of rounds out of a lot of different muzzle loaders over the last 20 plus years,  and my personal preference is still knight rifles.
x2 can’t beat a knight! Wow thousands of rounds.  :tup:That’s a lot of rangetime behind a muzzy. I’ve been muzzle loading close to 20 years and can honestly say I’ve probably put 5-600 down range.
  I don't shoot muzzle loader as much as I used to but I had a couple buddies That used to be pretty serious muzzle loader shooters as well and we would buy bullets from PR By the 500 count boxes. We had steal out to 500 and would have some pretty serious competitions Between the 3 of us lol. I put just shy of 300 rounds through my knight last year in preparation for my Nevada hunt.   I'm more into long range rifle shooting now but I do have a new muzzle loaded build in the works as should be pretty awesome
Title: Re: New muzzleloader ?
Post by: MountainDevil54 on May 26, 2019, 06:23:42 PM
I put a total of 5000 rounds down range in one year, through 3 cva muzzleloaders without any ignition problems. And that was with that "hard to ignite" blackhorn209.

Title: Re: New muzzleloader ?
Post by: Karl Blanchard on May 26, 2019, 06:36:12 PM
Well that's good you haven't had any issues with yours. Lots and lots of people had issues with theirs. This was an even my rifle. I could care less if it worked or not. But I absolutely know how to maintain a rifle and this thing was brand new out of the Box. It 100% has factory malfunctions and CVA is dealing with it accordingly.

 5000 rounds is pretty amazing. How many pounds of powder is that?
Title: Re: New muzzleloader ?
Post by: Magnum_Willys on May 26, 2019, 08:24:04 PM
Well that's good you haven't had any issues with yours. Lots and lots of people had issues with theirs. This was an even my rifle. I could care less if it worked or not. But I absolutely know how to maintain a rifle and this thing was brand new out of the Box. It 100% has factory malfunctions and CVA is dealing with it accordingly.

 5000 rounds is pretty amazing. How many pounds of powder is that?

Gotta be at least 70 lbs !
Title: Re: New muzzleloader ?
Post by: Pinetar on May 26, 2019, 08:48:43 PM
Well that's good you haven't had any issues with yours. Lots and lots of people had issues with theirs. This was an even my rifle. I could care less if it worked or not. But I absolutely know how to maintain a rifle and this thing was brand new out of the Box. It 100% has factory malfunctions and CVA is dealing with it accordingly.

 5000 rounds is pretty amazing. How many pounds of powder is that?

78 1/2 pounds of powder if using 110gr per shot for 5000 shots as I believe a pound is 7000 grains
Title: Re: New muzzleloader ?
Post by: JimmyHoffa on May 26, 2019, 08:52:30 PM
But muzzleloader powder is by volume, smokeless by weight.
Title: Re: New muzzleloader ?
Post by: Pinetar on May 26, 2019, 09:01:22 PM
But muzzleloader powder is by volume, smokeless by weight.

Now that is something I didn't consider  :chuckle:
Title: Re: New muzzleloader ?
Post by: JimmyHoffa on May 26, 2019, 09:04:53 PM
The container is by weight (pound), but the grains for measure is set volume.  I've seen a big spread for FF, as you go down to FFF it's not as wide.
Title: Re: New muzzleloader ?
Post by: JakeLand on May 26, 2019, 11:29:49 PM
JakeLand what bullet are you shooting in your CVA? I am using the Barnes TEZ and they are very hard to get down the barrel.
the barnes EZ are great but I’ve found that the power belt 300 grain platinum are just deadly accurate and the load very easy even after a dozen shots ! Dropped my bull 80 yards right in the pump station
I’ve several buddies that have cva’s and none of us have had any issues with them
Jake
Title: Re: New muzzleloader ?
Post by: Magnum_Willys on May 27, 2019, 07:20:01 AM
But muzzleloader powder is by volume, smokeless by weight.
Nope same.  Either can be dispensed by volume (typical for both) or weight. 
Title: Re: New muzzleloader ?
Post by: Gunfire on May 30, 2019, 06:39:42 PM
I started off with a CVA Elkhorn about 6 years ago and promptly ate a cow tag because it didn't fire when I pulled the trigger. The following year I ate an any bull tag in Rimrock from the same issue. I couldn't say if it was 100% the CVA's fault or if I was partially to blame due to the learning curve of going from modern to muzzy.

Anyway, I upgraded to a Knight Ultra-lite and have killed bucks with it 3 years in a row. Never ever misfires. I started using 209s in it last year.

My son has a Knight Bighorn which is also an excellent choice. It is a bit heavy compared to the Ultra-lite but has never failed to shoot when you pull the trigger.

Can't go wrong with a Knight.
Title: Re: New muzzleloader ?
Post by: bkaech on May 30, 2019, 09:34:08 PM
My cva optima has never failed, only a few slight hang fires after some very wet days. My brother has a night, I think it’s a bighorn. He has had 2 misfires on different bulls. His only chances in 5 years. I’ve killed 3 bulls in 5 years and missed (cause I’m an idiot) a bull my first year hunting the muzzy season. I also shoot it quite a bit in the off season.
Title: Re: New muzzleloader ?
Post by: craigapphunt on July 22, 2019, 01:55:47 PM
cva optima 209 ignition maybe 100 shots no problems so far.
Title: Re: New muzzleloader ?
Post by: Jellymon on July 22, 2019, 02:20:52 PM
Sombody at some point has had a misfire with every muzzleloader on the market because they either didnt maintain/clean it, failed to keep it dry, etc. Therefore there isnt a reliable muzzy on the matket worth buying and everyone should just go to modern. :tup:
Title: Re: New muzzleloader ?
Post by: OutHouse on July 23, 2019, 03:53:39 PM
Sombody at some point has had a misfire with every muzzleloader on the market because they either didnt maintain/clean it, failed to keep it dry, etc. Therefore there isnt a reliable muzzy on the matket worth buying and everyone should just go to modern. :tup:

Yes but if you maintain the gun and keep it dry there should be no issues. Took a decent whitetail in 2016 in pissing rain with a traditional hawken style gun. Did not even have a cover over the percussion cap, however, I use remington caps because I believe they are more reliable and I never point the barrel up. Plus the opportunity in modern pales in comparison to muzzy.
Title: Re: New muzzleloader ?
Post by: Jellymon on July 23, 2019, 04:16:27 PM
Sombody at some point has had a misfire with every muzzleloader on the market because they either didnt maintain/clean it, failed to keep it dry, etc. Therefore there isnt a reliable muzzy on the matket worth buying and everyone should just go to modern. :tup:

Yes but if you maintain the gun and keep it dry there should be no issues. Took a decent whitetail in 2016 in pissing rain with a traditional hawken style gun. Did not even have a cover over the percussion cap, however, I use remington caps because I believe they are more reliable and I never point the barrel up. Plus the opportunity in modern pales in comparison to muzzy.

Lol. I was responding to the people saying certain muzzys are unreliable because they know a guy who’s second cousins brother had a Knight misfire once so they aren’t as reliable. Sarcasm is hard to see in text I guess. Would one of these have helped? :chuckle:
Title: Re: New muzzleloader ?
Post by: OutHouse on July 24, 2019, 07:59:47 AM
Sombody at some point has had a misfire with every muzzleloader on the market because they either didnt maintain/clean it, failed to keep it dry, etc. Therefore there isnt a reliable muzzy on the matket worth buying and everyone should just go to modern. :tup:

Yes but if you maintain the gun and keep it dry there should be no issues. Took a decent whitetail in 2016 in pissing rain with a traditional hawken style gun. Did not even have a cover over the percussion cap, however, I use remington caps because I believe they are more reliable and I never point the barrel up. Plus the opportunity in modern pales in comparison to muzzy.


Lol. I was responding to the people saying certain muzzys are unreliable because they know a guy who’s second cousins brother had a Knight misfire once so they aren’t as reliable. Sarcasm is hard to see in text I guess. Would one of these have helped? :chuckle:

Well I get it now!  :chuckle:


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