Post by: _TONY_ on May 23, 2019, 10:50:15 AM
I’ll be seeing all 99.999999999999999999 percent of you guys in the losers lounge later!
Post by: elkrack on May 23, 2019, 10:53:09 AM
Post by: ghosthunter on May 23, 2019, 10:54:45 AM
Post by: Mfowl on May 23, 2019, 10:56:39 AM
Post by: _TONY_ on May 23, 2019, 10:58:47 AM
Well, based in n the poll,my plan of taking advantage of reduced applicants isn't working out so far... :(
Haha I was just going say that this is probably going to be a very depressing poll for most people :yike:
Post by: WSU on May 23, 2019, 11:04:49 AM
Post by: Dhoey07 on May 23, 2019, 11:12:42 AM
Post by: _TONY_ on May 23, 2019, 11:13:18 AM
Nope, went for an Idaho super hunt raffle instead.
I like your style!
Post by: bobcat on May 23, 2019, 11:15:11 AM
Post by: _TONY_ on May 23, 2019, 11:21:11 AM
I'm in for all three elk categories. Haven't been putting in for the "Bull" category for the last few years, but did this year. I really can't afford to go elk hunting as a non-resident in other states, so I figure I better take my chances here. I have a fair number of Quality points (11) but if I was to go back to zero I'm not sure if I'd apply again.
I hear ya. I only put in for quality and bull. My plan was to burn my points this year on relatively easy to draw permits, as we’ll most likely be in MT next year, but with the permit allocations, it’s looking like I’m just going to have to walk away from them...
If we were staying in WA and I drew out this year, there’s no way I would start applying again.
Post by: dvolmer on May 23, 2019, 12:55:11 PM
Post by: Stein on May 23, 2019, 01:22:13 PM
It's a classic sunk cost decision. The money I sunk into points is gone, the odds are horrible and I don't want to support the department.
Post by: Ridgerunner on May 23, 2019, 01:24:20 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on May 23, 2019, 01:29:23 PM
Post by: baker5150 on May 23, 2019, 01:56:45 PM
The only person who loses by me not putting in, is me.
Post by: whackmaster on May 23, 2019, 02:25:31 PM
Post by: Stein on May 23, 2019, 02:54:13 PM
I respect everyone who applies and hope they draw, but I realized I can’t pay, play and complain at the same time.
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Post by: Shawn Ryan on May 23, 2019, 03:00:27 PM
I bought more.
Post by: Crunchy on May 23, 2019, 03:02:06 PM
It’s all in how you look at it. The surest way to keep losing is to keep playing. If you put in, you send a message to the department to keep doing what they are doing. Your money directly supports their actions and inactions.
I respect everyone who applies and hope they draw, but I realized I can’t pay, play and complain at the same time.
The last sentence puts it into prospective. Well said.
Post by: vandeman17 on May 23, 2019, 03:05:46 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on May 23, 2019, 03:11:51 PM
Post by: _TONY_ on May 23, 2019, 03:16:31 PM
Like I've said a million times, treat it like added opportunities and not an investment (because its not). Only odds worse than apply is not applying :twocents:
I think the general public would probably feel less bamboozled by the department if they just called it a “donation” instead of an application fee.
Post by: wheels on May 23, 2019, 03:35:06 PM
Post by: lonedave on May 23, 2019, 03:44:13 PM
1996 – East Ross Lake Goat - Filled
1997 – None
1998 – None
1999 – None
2000 – Quilomene Any Buck, Archery – Did Not Fill
2001 – Goose Prairie Any Bull, Archery – Did Not Fill
2002 – Green Bluff Antlerless, Muzzleloader – Did Not Use
2003 – None
2004 – Esquatzel Any Deer, Muzzleloader – Did Not Use
2005 – Moses Coulee Any Deer, Muzzleloader – Did Not Fill
2006 – Skokomish Any Bull, Muzzleloader – Did Not Fill
2007 – None
2008 – None
2009 – None
2010 – Blue Mountains Foothills Quality Deer, Muzzleloader – Did Not Fill; Skokomish 3 Pt Min Bull, Muzzleloader – Did Not Fill
2011 – Patterson Any Buck, Muzzleloader – Did Not Fill
2012 – Toutle Quality Elk, Modern - Filled; Margaret Antlerless Elk, Modern - Did Not Use
2013 – Palouse 3 Pt Whitetail Buck, Modern - Filled
2014 – Cleman Mountain Any Ram - Filled
2015 – Kettle Range-East Okanogan Any Moose - Filled; Upper Smith Creek Antlerless Elk, Muzzleloader – Did Not Use; Palouse 3 Pt Whitetail Buck - Filled, Modern; Skagit Quality Deer, Modern – Did Not Use
2016 – None
2017 – None
2018 – White River Any Bull, Modern - Filled
2015 was my best year for permits and since they didn't make goat OIL until 1999, I'm still in for them, though I've taken 3 in the state since 1972. I always look at the permit hunts as extra hunting time or a bonus. A couple of the permits didn't get used because I tagged out prior to the permit season. It does cost a bit to keep putting in for all the options an I totally get why people opt out, but I figure it's relatively cheap in the scheme of things.
Good luck to everyone this year.
Dave
Post by: Stein on May 23, 2019, 04:12:19 PM
Post by: Crunchy on May 23, 2019, 04:43:29 PM
Post by: BigVinn on May 23, 2019, 05:23:29 PM
Post by: ctwiggs1 on May 23, 2019, 05:28:04 PM
Like I've said a million times, treat it like added opportunities and not an investment (because its not). Only odds worse than apply is not applying :twocents:
:yeah: boom. Ignore the points. Just put in for an opportunity to win a dream hunt. Maybe you will, maybe you won’t.
Post by: _TONY_ on May 23, 2019, 05:28:47 PM
Yep, everything but antlerless deer or second deer. Maybe I'm luckier than most or maybe I just put in for the less desirable permits, but since the points game started in 1996, I've drawn the following:
1996 – East Ross Lake Goat - Filled
1997 – None
1998 – None
1999 – None
2000 – Quilomene Any Buck, Archery – Did Not Fill
2001 – Goose Prairie Any Bull, Archery – Did Not Fill
2002 – Green Bluff Antlerless, Muzzleloader – Did Not Use
2003 – None
2004 – Esquatzel Any Deer, Muzzleloader – Did Not Use
2005 – Moses Coulee Any Deer, Muzzleloader – Did Not Fill
2006 – Skokomish Any Bull, Muzzleloader – Did Not Fill
2007 – None
2008 – None
2009 – None
2010 – Blue Mountains Foothills Quality Deer, Muzzleloader – Did Not Fill; Skokomish 3 Pt Min Bull, Muzzleloader – Did Not Fill
2011 – Patterson Any Buck, Muzzleloader – Did Not Fill
2012 – Toutle Quality Elk, Modern - Filled; Margaret Antlerless Elk, Modern - Did Not Use
2013 – Palouse 3 Pt Whitetail Buck, Modern - Filled
2014 – Cleman Mountain Any Ram - Filled
2015 – Kettle Range-East Okanogan Any Moose - Filled; Upper Smith Creek Antlerless Elk, Muzzleloader – Did Not Use; Palouse 3 Pt Whitetail Buck - Filled, Modern; Skagit Quality Deer, Modern – Did Not Use
2016 – None
2017 – None
2018 – White River Any Bull, Modern - Filled
2015 was my best year for permits and since they didn't make goat OIL until 1999, I'm still in for them, though I've taken 3 in the state since 1972. I always look at the permit hunts as extra hunting time or a bonus. A couple of the permits didn't get used because I tagged out prior to the permit season. It does cost a bit to keep putting in for all the options an I totally get why people opt out, but I figure it's relatively cheap in the scheme of things.
Good luck to everyone this year.
Dave
Dang. You’re about as lucky as I’ve ever seen.... I would say that definitely not the norm. Nice work!
Post by: Shawn Ryan on May 23, 2019, 06:21:08 PM
Post by: elkchaser54 on May 23, 2019, 10:07:41 PM
Post by: go4itlab on May 23, 2019, 10:24:39 PM
Post by: HoofsandWings on May 24, 2019, 05:52:56 AM
I'm in for all three elk categories. Haven't been putting in for the "Bull" category for the last few years, but did this year. I really can't afford to go elk hunting as a non-resident in other states, so I figure I better take my chances here. I have a fair number of Quality points (11) but if I was to go back to zero I'm not sure if I'd apply again.
I always put in for every kind of permit that is available to me. The 65 and over category always gets a check.
Raffle too.
Post by: Stein on May 24, 2019, 07:41:29 AM
I'm 7 years in to the point game for archery elk and I apply for the blues so I understand needing patience but the Dayton tag over these 7 years has gone from 14 tags to 7 to 4 to 3 .... really sad to see my chances drop like a rock over the years.
The odds for Dayton last year with 7 points for archery was 0.74%, lower this year as you noted. >:(
The good news is that you only need to apply for 93 years consecutively to have a 50% chance of drawing it during any of those years. :o That assumes your odds don't go down, which they unfortunately do.
Here's a calculator:
https://www.engadget.com/2010/01/13/drop-chance-probability/
Post by: Oh Mah on May 24, 2019, 07:43:00 AM
Personally i wish WDFW would have multiplied the tags for the east side this year,Give all the high point hunters over say 7 points all their tags (for the hunters that want them anyway).The elk wont be their in my opinion in this point of the 7 year cycle. :twocents: :peep:
Post by: fishngamereaper on May 24, 2019, 08:03:16 AM
I put in for points only because i think this is going to be a long hot summer with very few elk migrating thru.I don't want to be drawn and then not see the elk.
Personally i wish WDFW would have multiplied the tags for the east side this year,Give all the high point hunters over say 7 points all their tags (for the hunters that want them anyway).The elk wont be their in my opinion in this point of the 7 year cycle. :twocents: :peep:
Your assuming we hunt the migration, not that Washington has a real migration anyway. Its more of a wander. :chuckle:
Post by: Oh Mah on May 24, 2019, 08:10:25 AM
Anyway just my opinion on it,Not much to go on except past history.In most areas on the east side i doubt many will see elk in the gmu's that they put in for.The elk likely will be held up high until close to mid Dec. :tup:
Post by: elkchaser54 on May 24, 2019, 08:14:46 AM
Post by: bornhunter on May 24, 2019, 08:32:03 AM
Post by: lonedave on May 24, 2019, 08:35:09 AM
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lonedave is the luckiest special permit applicant ever! WDFW should use Dave in its marketing. 3 goats!!
Shawn - Just persistent, which I think is kind of the essence of this thread! :)
Post by: Mr Mykiss on May 24, 2019, 11:00:33 AM
Post by: Caseyd on May 24, 2019, 11:56:47 AM
Only way to stop creeping with the curve is bonus points
Post by: jackelope on May 24, 2019, 12:29:51 PM
Another interesting poll would be to see, of those who said no, how many normally do but stopped this year or recently due to their displeasure with the state’s wildlife management practices.
Post by: jackelope on May 24, 2019, 12:32:05 PM
lonedave is the luckiest special permit applicant ever! WDFW should use Dave in its marketing. 3 goats!!
And all before OIL!!
Post by: WSU on May 24, 2019, 01:16:11 PM
I’m all in, but only for stuff with antlers and horns. No antleress, ewe, etc. I don’t need the meat bad enough to and don’t think it’s worth it to me personally to hunt antleress anything.
Another interesting poll would be to see, of those who said no, how many normally do but stopped this year or recently due to their displeasure with the state’s wildlife management practices.
There are a few anterless hunts I put in for. 2nd deer, 2nd elk (master hunter) and a muzzy cow permit. May not use it, but no need to build up points and its the same area I plan to hunt anyway. I don't put in for ewe, cow moose, or doe. The master hunter deal worked out great last year. I got a permit bull tag and a pumice plain 2nd cow tag. Filled them both and both hunts were pretty darn fun!
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on May 24, 2019, 01:30:29 PM
I did, but each year I seem to cut down on what I apply for.Last year I had my "come to Jesus" moment when I realized I had spent more $$ to hunt in Washington than in Wyoming! For that, I had a nice Wyoming deer hunt and ... anyway, I set myself a $300 limit for Washington, resulting in no multiseason application or license purchase, and fewer special hunt permit applications. I feel better about what I have, and plan to enjoy the opportunities I can take.
Post by: Brushbuster on May 24, 2019, 02:09:28 PM
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Post by: gaddy on May 24, 2019, 02:43:26 PM
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on May 24, 2019, 03:18:12 PM
I am through with special permits.
Until it's for wolf.
Post by: Shawn Ryan on May 24, 2019, 05:18:05 PM
I quit a few years ago when I lost my hunting partners (Brothers). Cant do it by myself anymore. Shot a spike one year, next year they went spike only and started the draw for bulls. Applied every year for bull and cow tags. Year after year one of us would be up and personable with a big bull but seldom came across a spike. After some years we drew cow tags and burned all of our points. Next season they split the points between categories and we started from zero again, in all categories. Never drew again. Once I lost my crew I realized that I couldn't give the tag justice on my own so I quit putting in. It wasn't so much the money, It was more of if I drew, could I actually go after them like I used to? And eventually it turned into, if I got one down, could I get it out? Finally it turned into not going after them at all.
Sorry that you don't hunt anymore or have anyone to go with that can assist. I took my Dad until he was 82. This last year, he just camped in the area in which I had a permit. I saw him only a little. Don't know if he'll do that again, but I hope so.
I really respect your decision making process. I hate to see hard-to-draw tags wasted because the permit holder can't do it justice. That appears to happen in the Blues a fair amount.
Post by: steeleywhopper on May 24, 2019, 06:18:47 PM
Post by: jasnt on May 24, 2019, 06:20:56 PM
Post by: 7mmfan on May 24, 2019, 07:49:23 PM
Post by: WapitiTalk1 on May 24, 2019, 07:56:45 PM
I apply for quality permits in WA and hunt out of state for my OTC tags. I also hunt blacktail because you can have a damn good hunt the last 5 days of October on a OTC tag here in western wa. I probably won't ever hunt a general elk season here again though.
Pretty much this. :tup: I will give a general smoke pole (first ever time with ML) Wapiti tag a whirl this year tho. Will let you know how it goes Rory.
Post by: Crunchy on May 24, 2019, 09:44:12 PM
I apply for quality permits in WA and hunt out of state for my OTC tags. I also hunt blacktail because you can have a damn good hunt the last 5 days of October on a OTC tag here in western wa. I probably won't ever hunt a general elk season here again though.
Once you get a taste of how much better out of state OTC tags are compared to WA, most will likely never hunt here again unless drawn for a permit. 2007 was my first out of state elk hunt, and I have gone every year since expect once when I drew something good here in WA. More elk, longer season, less pressure, no private land access fees. No comparison.
Post by: 7mmfan on May 24, 2019, 09:49:24 PM
I apply for quality permits in WA and hunt out of state for my OTC tags. I also hunt blacktail because you can have a damn good hunt the last 5 days of October on a OTC tag here in western wa. I probably won't ever hunt a general elk season here again though.
Pretty much this. :tup: I will give a general smoke pole (first ever time with ML) Wapiti tag a whirl this year tho. Will let you know how it goes Rory.
Thanks Rory! :chuckle: ML is the only weapon I've considered picking up and hunting elk in WA with again. We'll see. Could be a fun.
Post by: Gentrys on May 25, 2019, 07:31:06 AM
17 moose points, 14 quality Elk and Deer points.
So my odds are fair at best, but gotta try. Been throwing money away for this many years, why stop now.
But if I ever do get drawn, then I won't apply for that specific tag again.
No reason to start back at 1 point. I'd just likely be donating until I die.
That's sad to say when I'm early 50s and will hopefully be hunting another 20 years, so help me God.
Post by: fishngamereaper on May 25, 2019, 08:20:02 AM
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Post by: WAcoueshunter on May 25, 2019, 09:54:36 AM