Post by: captbly on March 30, 2009, 09:42:45 PM
The intent is to limit fraud and also to deter users who would like to utilize our boards for the purpose of a business.
Thanks for your concern.
Administrator "
Post by: huntnphool on March 30, 2009, 09:51:09 PM
Post by: Ray on March 30, 2009, 09:53:36 PM
I am completely aware that
1) There is no real way of measuring up credibility on the internet.
2) This will alienate some people.
I believe it is a good move.
Post by: BLKBEARKLR on March 30, 2009, 09:53:45 PM
Post by: captbly on March 30, 2009, 09:57:06 PM
Post by: jackelope on March 30, 2009, 09:58:42 PM
Post by: captbly on March 30, 2009, 10:00:18 PM
There are a lot of complaints about the current situation. Questions about people's crediblity with one or zero posts just trying to sell of lots of items. This is one of the simplest ways to weed people out who are not really community members but instead want to purely push products. It definitely will impact a lot of people but if they are here for hunting information they can still get it. It is also an incentive to contribute (more as a side effect).
I am completely aware that
1) There is no real way of measuring up credibility on the internet.
2) This will alienate some people.
I believe it is a good move.
People can reply to posts without posting anything though. Problem is that they dont count to the 50 total posts. The 50 is only new posts, not replies. I have not posted one thing for sale on the classifieds, but I read them and have bought thngs off them. What do you do about guys like me? From what you say, I will not be able to read any of the messages on the classified board.
Post by: Ray on March 30, 2009, 10:01:12 PM
Post by: captbly on March 30, 2009, 10:04:06 PM
Correct. I already clarified this to you in a personal message. I fully am going to roll this out. Regardless of the poll results.
Yeah, but I dont know that everyone fully realized that. You say the problem is people posting with no credibility or zero posts...seems there is other ways to handle it instead of removing Read access also.
Maybe qualify a poster to the board or something?
Post by: Ray on March 30, 2009, 10:05:08 PM
Post by: walt on March 30, 2009, 10:06:33 PM
Post by: captbly on March 30, 2009, 10:07:08 PM
Life is never that simple. The board software would have to support a number of features. It's not really designed to be a classified system.
So tonight if I posted 42 seperate posts that were absolutely worthless.... it would make me more worthy in the classified boards?
Post by: Ray on March 30, 2009, 10:07:58 PM
Post by: actionshooter on March 30, 2009, 10:10:08 PM
I have no problem with it.
Post by: huntnphool on March 30, 2009, 10:11:15 PM
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People can reply to posts without posting anything though. Problem is that they dont count to the 50 total posts.
Not sure what you are talking about :dunno:
Post by: Ray on March 30, 2009, 10:12:18 PM
Post by: bobcat on March 30, 2009, 10:12:52 PM
So tonight if I posted 42 seperate posts that were absolutely worthless.... it would make me more worthy in the classified boards?
Just keep this thread going with your worthless posts and my guess is by midnight you will have the 50 posts required to access the classified section.
Post by: huntnphool on March 30, 2009, 10:13:38 PM
Post by: bobcat on March 30, 2009, 10:15:11 PM
Ray, maybe you ought to change that to 100 posts required for the classifieds. :chuckle:
Post by: chester on March 30, 2009, 10:15:50 PM
Post by: captbly on March 30, 2009, 10:26:01 PM
QuotePeople can reply to posts without posting anything though. Problem is that they dont count to the 50 total posts.
Not sure what you are talking about :dunno:
I misunderstood what a "post: was. I didnt think replies were being counted, and only new topic posts were counted to the 50 total. I say this because I have replied a few times on the boards here, but didnt see my post counter move until now. I am not as against the rule if Replies are considered a post.
Post by: Airnip on March 30, 2009, 10:32:43 PM
Post by: chester on March 30, 2009, 10:34:28 PM
Post by: bobcat on March 30, 2009, 10:35:40 PM
QuotePeople can reply to posts without posting anything though. Problem is that they dont count to the 50 total posts.
Not sure what you are talking about :dunno:
I misunderstood what a "post: was. I didnt think replies were being counted, and only new topic posts were counted to the 50 total. I say this because I have replied a few times on the boards here, but didnt see my post counter move until now. I am not as against the rule if Replies are considered a post.
Cool. Now you can stick around and continue to buy stuff! :tup:
Post by: Gutpile on March 30, 2009, 10:36:24 PM
This will be interesting. (https://hunting-washington.com/cpg/albums/userpics/11250/63713938_qaEEdjG9_popcorn.gif)
Post by: Bird_Bagger on March 30, 2009, 10:41:36 PM
Post by: huntnphool on March 30, 2009, 10:44:07 PM
Post by: Bird_Bagger on March 30, 2009, 10:46:09 PM
Post by: captbly on March 30, 2009, 10:46:29 PM
Cool. Now you can stick around and continue to buy stuff! :tup:
Yeah, well when the wife finally gives permisson to buy...you have to jump on it while you can :)
Post by: burrheadcountry on March 30, 2009, 10:48:34 PM
Well that is the point isnt it? If the only reason they are joining this site is to take advantage of the number of members then who really cares if they dont join, not me :twocents:
I agree I think it will get people more involved not just here to take advantage.
Post by: captbly on March 30, 2009, 10:49:31 PM
The point is they are not welcome if they dont meet the 50 post criteria?
My problem is that I do a lot more reading than I do posting. Mostly becuase I am not very knowledgeable to hunting, or guns... Thats why im here. Most my posts will be just stupid questions that I am asking.. who wants to read that.
Post by: bigdave on March 30, 2009, 10:49:43 PM
Stop your whining and get in here and participate. :)
(That sounded harsher than I really meant. What I mean is have some fun contributing and your posts will get up there in less than a week I bet.)
Post by: Ray on March 30, 2009, 10:50:05 PM
The point is they are not welcome if they dont meet the 50 post criteria?
No. The point will be (at least one of them) - Guests that view the board will not see a scam opportunity when they do not see the classifieds board.
Post by: captbly on March 30, 2009, 10:51:11 PM
Wanting to BUY something from the classified section is taking advantage of the members here who really care........ Please explain.
Problem is the board software cant seperate the buyers from the sellers. So their hands are kind of tied in that regard.
Post by: huntnphool on March 30, 2009, 10:55:21 PM
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but wont that deter new members?
The only people that would be detered are those that have no interest in contributing in the first place.
Post by: RustneckNW on March 30, 2009, 10:55:41 PM
Not that I have any money to spend... just bought my tags!
Post by: bigdave on March 30, 2009, 10:56:22 PM
Post by: Bird_Bagger on March 30, 2009, 10:58:47 PM
Post by: captbly on March 30, 2009, 10:59:46 PM
At first I thought I didn't have much to contribute either. But it doesn't take much to show interest in what another person is doing or has done. Nothing wrong with admiring anothers great meat grinder, homebrew trailcam, tent stove or whatever. Doesn't have to be a great big write up, keep it honest and sincere and you'll find many like minded people here.
I laughed everytime I read those posts in the classifed... "nice gun, too bad I have no money" Always seemed pointless... but guess I have been looking at that the wrong way.
Post by: huntnphool on March 30, 2009, 10:59:52 PM
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Most my posts will be just stupid questions that I am asking.. who wants to read that.
Beleive it or not there are a load of people on here that love helping out others. There are no stupid questions if you are seriously looking for answers. As long as you dont have thin skin you should be just fine, you will get ribbed every once in a while though :chuckle:
Post by: Ray on March 30, 2009, 11:02:28 PM
Post by: Bird_Bagger on March 30, 2009, 11:03:41 PM
Post by: bigdave on March 30, 2009, 11:05:32 PM
If the only topic you read is the classifieds, you are missing a great deal.
Dave
Post by: huntnphool on March 30, 2009, 11:08:30 PM
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So let's see, say you (huntnphool) have a Nikon scope for sale and someone want's to buy it...... but they only have 30 posts. Now they can't buy it and you can't sell it, and it's because they have no interest in contributing in the first place.
LOL, if I post a Nikon scope for sale and knowbody wants it its either a POS or the price is too high.
Post by: bigdave on March 30, 2009, 11:10:25 PM
heck yeah.......I got 5 more posts on this thread alone......wahhoooooooo!!
Post by: robodad on March 30, 2009, 11:11:19 PM
I like the idea of a minimum post count, it gives me a chance to "feel" out a person if you will I bought a ML from a member with very few posts and the item was NOT what was advertised. I know it was my fault for not looking closer but a guy cannot turn every screw and inspect every inch of something when your doing the deal the WM parking lot in the rain !! Come to think of it I have not seen them here since !!!
Post by: captbly on March 30, 2009, 11:14:02 PM
I wasn't talking about making a post commenting on peoples stuff like that in the classifieds. jesus christ.
If the only topic you read is the classifieds, you are missing a great deal.
Dave
Got more work to do at work so I dont get to read as much right now :) I start with the classifieds, unless I am looking for info a specific topic.
Post by: huntnphool on March 30, 2009, 11:15:03 PM
Post by: captbly on March 30, 2009, 11:16:30 PM
Post by: Ray on March 30, 2009, 11:19:51 PM
Post by: walt on March 30, 2009, 11:21:03 PM
It would be intresting to know what board was the persons first exposure to Hunting Washinton. I know I found it because a guy at work passed on a classifed ad from here when I was looking for a shotgun. So my very first post read was a classified post.
Start a new poll and post on it, it might be interesting info.
Post by: mossback91 on March 30, 2009, 11:23:51 PM
Post by: huntnphool on March 30, 2009, 11:28:38 PM
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I read why he is doing it. Then I accidentally read your "reasons" for him doing it. My bad.
:nono: You are right, it is your bad. Go ahead and post my quote where I explained the reasons for him doing it...........thats right I didn't. Dont put words in my mouth :nono:
Post by: captbly on March 30, 2009, 11:30:16 PM
It would be intresting to know what board was the persons first exposure to Hunting Washinton. I know I found it because a guy at work passed on a classifed ad from here when I was looking for a shotgun. So my very first post read was a classified post.
Start a new poll and post on it, it might be interesting info.
Yep, just did..
Post by: huntnphool on March 30, 2009, 11:38:42 PM
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If the only reason they are joining this site is to take advantage of the number of members then who really cares if they dont join
Nice try, go back and read what I was replying to, and the future members being detered has nothing to do with a reason why either.
Post by: captbly on March 30, 2009, 11:39:39 PM
Dude just post like a mofo until you get your 50 posts :P
Im trying... but im getting tired and my fingers are hurting from all the typing :) Guess im going to call it a night.
Post by: captbly on March 30, 2009, 11:41:17 PM
Well that is the point isnt it? If the only reason they are joining this site is to take advantage of the number of members then who really cares if they dont join, not me :twocents:
Wanting to BUY something from the classified section is taking advantage of the members here........ Please explain.
Here's a question that must have slipped by you huntnphool.
one flaw i see in the whole thing.... If you dont have 50 post you cant read the classifed boards...so how would you know there was something on there you wanted to buy?
Post by: mossback91 on March 30, 2009, 11:41:39 PM
Dude just post like a mofo until you get your 50 posts :P
Im trying... but im getting tired and my fingers are hurting from all the typing :) Guess im going to call it a night.
Pansey.........
Post by: Ghost1941 on March 30, 2009, 11:41:59 PM
I believe if you look back at my first post it was in the classifieds. Most of my posts ARE in the classifieds but... that's because I'm a single guy, I like guns, and I really like reloading now so my only issue is I have this green *censored* burning a hole in my pocket.
It may or may not present the site as less attractive to new members, however... the site has a decent base and I'm sure it's more of a word of mouth thing these days. Some guys come here to look for stuff, some come here to learn stuff.
Is it possible to make it visible, but without 50 posts be unable to post at all? This way it would be at the user's discretion to sell to somebody?
Edit- Correction, it seems I posted in Guns N Ammo first. :)
Post by: huntnphool on March 30, 2009, 11:42:11 PM
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Wanting to BUY something from the classified section is taking advantage of the members here........ Please explain.
That is an unfortunate consiquence of the rule, but sometimes you have to take the good with the bad.
Post by: captbly on March 30, 2009, 11:42:22 PM
Wow, you're trying hard.... It's like that sturgeon giving it one last go, but he knows the hook is buried deep.
:) Ok, 25 ...half way.. good stopping point.
Post by: captbly on March 30, 2009, 11:44:00 PM
Dude just post like a mofo until you get your 50 posts :P
Im trying... but im getting tired and my fingers are hurting from all the typing :) Guess im going to call it a night.
Pansey.........
LOL.. no.. just old.
Post by: Ghost1941 on March 30, 2009, 11:47:29 PM
Post by: Ghost1941 on March 30, 2009, 11:50:16 PM
Post by: huntnphool on March 30, 2009, 11:50:26 PM
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So how is it taking advantage of members here?
Its not, I never specified which group it was that were potentially in line to be taken advantage, I figured most on here were intelligent enough to figure that out on their own. :dunno:
Post by: Ghost1941 on March 30, 2009, 11:53:44 PM
QuoteSo how is it taking advantage of members here?
Its not, I never specified which group it was that were potentially in line to be taken advantage, I figured most on here were intelligent enough to figure that out on their own. :dunno:
Do you like biscuits, and gravy, and uhhh hard boiled eggs? You can join the group.
Post by: huntnphool on March 30, 2009, 11:55:08 PM
Post by: mossback91 on March 30, 2009, 11:56:56 PM
QuoteSo how is it taking advantage of members here?
Its not, I never specified which group it was that were potentially in line to be taken advantage, I figured most on here were intelligent enough to figure that out on their own. :dunno:
Do you like Women, and guns, and uhhh big racks? You can join the group.
I do I do
Post by: mossback91 on March 30, 2009, 11:57:13 PM
Post by: huntnphool on March 30, 2009, 11:58:43 PM
Post by: Ghost1941 on March 30, 2009, 11:59:52 PM
QuoteSo how is it taking advantage of members here?
Its not, I never specified which group it was that were potentially in line to be taken advantage, I figured most on here were intelligent enough to figure that out on their own. :dunno:
Do you like Women, and guns, and uhhh big racks? You can join the group.
I do I do
Interesting, Tittttaaaayyss. You forgot beer.
Post by: Ghost1941 on March 31, 2009, 12:10:04 AM
QuoteWanting to BUY something from the classified section is taking advantage of the members here........ Please explain.
That is an unfortunate consiquence of the rule, but sometimes you have to take the good with the bad.
What exactly is the unfortunate consequence?
The unfortunate consequence is an everlasting obsession with breasts and fine ale. Jesus, get with the program here guy.
Post by: smdave on March 31, 2009, 12:26:51 AM
50 posts is nothing think about how many of these you see a day.
:yeah:
:kneel:
:rockin:
Remember that one new-be that we were all telling to slow down he had like 30 or 40 posts that first evening he was on bringing up all the old threads.
Post by: Ghost1941 on March 31, 2009, 12:34:51 AM
I like this change it is a good one. I buy and sell some but not allot, I always pull up the persons profile I am dealing with and look at the previous posts to see if it tells something about them, are they helpfull to others or just an ass. This will help make the decision to work with them or not.
50 posts is nothing think about how many of these you see a day.
I agree with the decision...
I buy and sell a lot as well, check the guy's profile and then normally make sure we communicate back and forth several times over a few days. Most sells/purchases are face to face.
"helpfull to others or just an ass."
Does a smartass count?
Post by: mossback91 on March 31, 2009, 03:52:41 AM
Should I take 200 yard shots with my new bow? (it's the fastest bow on the market)
I would if I was you
Post by: mossback91 on March 31, 2009, 03:58:07 AM
If I push really hard will a 10 gauge shotgun shell fit in my 12gauge?
If you try hard enough and really want it to fit i think it will work......
Post by: mossback91 on March 31, 2009, 04:06:01 AM
Post by: mossback91 on March 31, 2009, 04:10:22 AM
Yeah I would make sure to get a nice tight fit if I were you.............video tape the results
If I already have to carry the mallet, I'm thinking the video tape might be a bit much in the weight department. :dunno:
dnt be a sissy
Post by: ICEMAN on March 31, 2009, 05:37:43 AM
EDIT: Forgot to add, totally support the decision.
Post by: billythekidrock on March 31, 2009, 06:03:31 AM
Anyway, I read the first page and nothing more but I want everyone to know that this is something that had been discussed and thought out. It is not something that we just threw together.
I support it 100%.
Post by: billythekidrock on March 31, 2009, 06:08:54 AM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on March 31, 2009, 06:11:03 AM
Post by: HawkenBob on March 31, 2009, 06:19:12 AM
EDIT: Probably already said but Im not reading the 9 pages.
Post by: rasbo on March 31, 2009, 06:20:28 AM
Post by: boneaddict on March 31, 2009, 06:21:57 AM
Post by: boneaddict on March 31, 2009, 06:22:24 AM
Post by: rasbo on March 31, 2009, 06:22:36 AM
No Rasbo, its post count, not age you are looking at the wrong number. LOL:yike: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: billythekidrock on March 31, 2009, 06:25:36 AM
And for those of you who are posting nonsense just to make it to 50. Keep it on topic.
WHEWW, just made it past with out having to follow that rule..
If I go back and read through your posts and remove the ones that are off topic you may have a -2 post count.
Rasbo would be a negatve 200.
Post by: bobcat on March 31, 2009, 06:27:25 AM
And for those of you who are posting nonsense just to make it to 50. Keep it on topic.
WHEWW, just made it past with out having to follow that rule..
If I go back and read through your posts and remove the ones that are off topic you may have a -2 post count.
Rasbo would be a negatve 200.
Do it. And then delete this entire useless thread. :bash:
Post by: Colville on March 31, 2009, 07:10:28 AM
This isn't craig's list. It's a hunting community. No one's got a right to the facilities here and it doesn't seem like any kind of imposition to limit what can be risky sales to those who have been around the block for a while. Sure a while is arbitrary but most quick sale scammers will just move on to easier grounds than post 50 times. It's a tiny bit of security and a little reward for contribution here. Fine with me.
Post by: Huntboy on March 31, 2009, 08:21:20 AM
Post by: skipper on March 31, 2009, 08:28:04 AM
Post by: Ghost1941 on March 31, 2009, 08:28:13 AM
Post by: Ghost1941 on March 31, 2009, 08:39:33 AM
You can still buy stuff right? just cant sell it? I have heard of a few websites like this....
I think its good for keeping guys who want to sell crap quickly that there first post is.......
Hi been on here for a while, just never posted anything, um i got this...BLAH_BLAH_BLAH for a billion bucks, any one want to buy it?
Kinda goes both ways though, why give some guy off the street an opportunity to get a good deal that a member might have wanted?
Post by: boneaddict on March 31, 2009, 08:48:00 AM
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You can still buy stuff right? just cant sell it? I have heard of a few websites like this....If I understand it correctly, you can't view it or see it until you have 50 under your belt.
Post by: Airnip on March 31, 2009, 08:52:01 AM
The warmglass forum was ruined from old timers (elite glass artists) complaining under budding artist's questions that basic methods and techniques had already been discussed repeatedly. Changed from a difficult to keep up with community of voices to near silence. Had all the answers down pat long before ever finding that forum. Thier classfied section postings are mostly low post count people that are done melting glass and just want to get rid of the equipment and supplies.
8) Enjoying this hunting community. Thanks to all.
Post by: rainshadow1 on March 31, 2009, 08:56:33 AM
Post by: Gutpile on March 31, 2009, 08:59:44 AM
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Answered most of my questionable questions by using the search archive button. Best question found was from an advance degree karate expert first time going out hunting deer in modern firearm carrying a 30-06 rifle and a 45 pistol wondering if he should also carry a sword. Just in case? Best answer was if you are afraid of needing to slay dragons maybe you also carry fire suppression equipment.
I need to see that link. :chuckle: Post it.
Post by: M_ray on March 31, 2009, 09:27:10 AM
I am going to propose a policy change where members can vote a member off the site. This would work well to take care of guys who post a long series of stupid questions just to meet the classified post requirement.....or YAR members.... :chuckle:
EDIT: Forgot to add, totally support the decision.
I'm with Iceman on this one where do I vote! Trailer you have done nothing but convince me of one thing ... you are quite the guy :chuckle: you may fit in better over on MM :chuckle:
Post by: jackelope on March 31, 2009, 09:55:35 AM
You can still buy stuff right? just cant sell it? I have heard of a few websites like this....
I think its good for keeping guys who want to sell crap quickly that there first post is.......
Hi been on here for a while, just never posted anything, um i got this...BLAH_BLAH_BLAH for a billion bucks, any one want to buy it?
You won't be able to even access the classifieds forum unless you have the required 50 posts. can't even view them, so no, you won't be able to buy anything.
i would also assume that if people start putting stuff for sale in the other forums, the threads will be nuked and maybe the user would be :ban: .
Post by: huntnphool on March 31, 2009, 01:05:19 PM
Post by: huntnphool on March 31, 2009, 01:20:01 PM
Post by: rasbo on March 31, 2009, 01:33:14 PM
I remember that one..I had that guy in seattle holding off the police for hours in my mind :yike:..whats wrong with the yar members :chuckle:QuoteAnswered most of my questionable questions by using the search archive button. Best question found was from an advance degree karate expert first time going out hunting deer in modern firearm carrying a 30-06 rifle and a 45 pistol wondering if he should also carry a sword. Just in case? Best answer was if you are afraid of needing to slay dragons maybe you also carry fire suppression equipment.
I need to see that link. :chuckle: Post it.
Post by: Airnip on March 31, 2009, 05:15:39 PM
Sorry but tried searching back even used suppression as a search term. 9999 days is longer than this forum has been up so it can't be too far back in time.
Besides using the search function I've also clicked on names to the profile pages of anyone that seems to have an interesting response to something. Then followed back on see posts of these person and opened threads that seemed interesting. Not sure but thinking the path was following Vale deer hunting when it popped up.
For sour grapes approach it was a short thread with lots of single smiley face posts and +1s.
Post by: agchawk on March 31, 2009, 09:26:12 PM
I believe there are 3 new adds posted already today by folks that do not fall into the 50+ post catergory. Just FYI.
Post by: Ray on March 31, 2009, 09:33:26 PM
Post by: gottatree on March 31, 2009, 10:01:13 PM
Post by: Ray on March 31, 2009, 10:04:25 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on April 01, 2009, 06:03:54 AM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on April 01, 2009, 06:07:22 AM
Post by: M_ray on April 01, 2009, 07:59:39 AM
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First I was a Tard, now I'm "quite the guy". Nice one Huntnphool.
No worries Trailer I don't care what it says now I got my point accross :chuckle:
Post by: captbly on April 01, 2009, 08:02:48 AM
This rule (50 posts in order to utilize the classifieds) might need to be posted in the classified forum (if it's not already...I could have missed it)
I believe there are 3 new adds posted already today by folks that do not fall into the 50+ post catergory. Just FYI.
Well thats the problem. If you have under 50 posts You could not READ anything thats in the classified ad. So posting a message there for others under 50 posts to read would do no good.
Post by: boneaddict on April 01, 2009, 08:04:30 AM
Post by: matlockmike on April 01, 2009, 08:18:33 AM
Post by: Redstar on April 01, 2009, 01:27:15 PM
It's been my experience that if you don't like the rules of one board, there's probably a similar forum with different rules if you look for it. It's rarely worth arguing - Use your Internetz and Google-Fu.
Expect a few new posts from me in order to meet the 50 post criteria. I'm a new hunter and have quite a few questions about the upcoming small game season.
Post by: huntnphool on April 01, 2009, 01:39:14 PM
Post by: boneaddict on April 01, 2009, 01:40:32 PM