Post by: WildlifeAssassin on June 24, 2019, 09:03:50 AM
You can watch here:
https://player.invintus.com/?clientID=2836755451&eventID=2019061003
It is right around 4hrs in.
The employee giving the presentation mentions they received 21 comments, 8 of which were opposing reintroduction. Immediately after his talk a crazy lady tells the commission their group has received 12,000 or 120,000 comments in support of reintroduction. WE HAVE TO MAKE COMMENTS OR THIS WILL BE WOLVES ALL OVER AGAIN. The Cascades cannot handle more apex predators being dropped on the land.
Contact the commission directly, email them at: commission@dfw.wa.gov
PLEASE take the couple of minutes to let them know the hunters in this state are opposed to this insanity. Just because an animal lived here at one time in history doesn’t make it appropriate in current times. Over 7 million people now live in their former range in WA state. Take action now or don’t complain when there is no hunting left in this state.
Post by: ctwiggs1 on June 24, 2019, 10:23:09 AM
Post by: bigtex on June 24, 2019, 11:54:41 AM
Post by: boneaddict on June 24, 2019, 12:01:32 PM
Post by: KFhunter on June 24, 2019, 12:15:27 PM
Alot of places I go already have them, so I pay little attention. Mostly food and habitat limits them to why they aren't around in the first place. They arent going to impact ungulates nearly like their other pet project.
I think grizz impact ungulates far more than one would think, they're very adept at taking calves off birthing grounds but also push wolves to kill more frequently due to robbing and bumping wolves and cats off kills. Grizz have no different requirements than do black bears, but they prefer more scavenging and meat, so that is the limiting factor. Grizz would impact elk herds more so than other ungulates.
Post by: WildlifeAssassin on June 24, 2019, 12:21:42 PM
Alot of places I go already have them, so I pay little attention. Mostly food and habitat limits them to why they aren't around in the first place. They arent going to impact ungulates nearly like their other pet project.
In isolation I agree but we are talking about adding grizzlies on top of wolves. Aside from the heavy predation on fawns and calves in spring you can expect bears to also steal wolf, lion and black bear kills forcing them to kill more.
Post by: boneaddict on June 24, 2019, 12:40:46 PM
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Post by: Pegasus on June 24, 2019, 03:25:23 PM
Post by: WildlifeAssassin on June 25, 2019, 04:32:57 PM
Post by: Bango skank on June 25, 2019, 05:14:34 PM
Thank you for contacting the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife(WDFW).
WDFW is not reintroducing Grizzly Bears into Washington state.
The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service(USFWS) and National Park Service(NPS), is looking to establish a 200 bear population in the 6.1million acres of the North Cascades Ecosystem over a 25 to 100 year timeline. WDFW would respond to “grizzly bear” calls where the public are concerned about human safety or property damage whether they are truly black bears or are in fact are grizzlies. WDFW would add this in to similar work we do related to black bears, cougars, wolves and other wildlife, which would minimize the “new” work load in the North Cascades. To offset costs of grizzly work, the agency would likely seek funds from USFWS and/or NPS.
The USFWS and NPS in March of 2017, hosted a series of public meetings around Washington state. During these meeting public impute was taken. Public impute was also accepted online at, https://parkplanning.nps.gov/documentsOpenForReview.cfm?parkID=327&projectID=44144. At this time both agencies are no longer accepting public impute.
For more information on this plan, including the formal process for filing an objection with the NPS, please visit https://parkplanning.nps.gov/projectHome.cfm?parkID=327&projectID=44144.
Sincerely,
Wildlife Program Customer Service
(360) 902-2515
Post by: SWHUNTER on July 25, 2019, 09:35:01 AM
Just got an email that they are re-opening the comment period....
Comment Period Reopened on Draft North Cascades Grizzly Bear Restoration Plan/Environmental Impact Statement
Public comment period open through October 24, 2019
Sedro-Woolley, Wash. – The National Park Service (NPS) and the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (USFWS) are reopening the public comment period on the Draft North Cascades Grizzly Bear Restoration Plan/Environmental Impact Statement (Draft EIS) for 90 days, through October 24, 2019. The public is invited to view the Draft EIS online at https://parkplanning.nps.gov/grizzlydeis.
All comments previously received on the Draft EIS during the public comment period that was open from January 12, 2017 through April 28, 2017 will be considered. If you would like to provide additional comments, you may do so as follows:
The preferred method for submitting comments is on the NPS PEPC website at: https://parkplanning.nps.gov/grizzlydeis.
You may also mail or hand-deliver your comments to: Superintendent’s Office, North Cascades National Park Service Complex, 810 State Route 20, Sedro Woolley, WA 98284.
The NPS and USFWS will consider all additional comments received or postmarked no later than October 24, 2019.
Comments will not be accepted by fax, email, or any other way than those specified above. Bulk comments in any format (hard copy or electronic) submitted on behalf of others will not be accepted. Before including your address, phone number, email address, or other personal identifying information in your comment, you should be aware that your entire comment—including your personal identifying information—may be made publicly available at any time. While you can ask us in your comment to withhold your personal identifying information from public review, we cannot guarantee that we will be able to do so.
If additional opportunities for public comment are offered, they will be announced via news release and posted on agency websites, including the website listed above, at least two weeks in advance.
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Thank you for your interest in this project.
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Post by: KFhunter on July 25, 2019, 10:19:36 AM
https://parkplanning.nps.gov/document.cfm?parkID=327&projectID=44144&documentID=77025
Post by: KFhunter on July 25, 2019, 10:37:42 AM
NO!
Washington Ungulates are facing unprecedented challenges with wolves establishing on the landscape and gross mismanagement by the state WDFW agency. WDFW had been failing to properly managing predators and has led to a rapid decline in our Elk herds as well as other ungulate species. We in Washington are inundated with too many Mt. Lions, too many black bear, too many wolves. Introduction of yet another apex predator would contribute to an even greater decline. I know that it is the practice to relocate problem bears, don't lie to us, we don't want problem bears either!
If the Grizz want to be in the Cascade ecosystem they'll get there naturally;
We don't need them imported from other western states happy to be rid of them.
Post by: ctwiggs1 on July 25, 2019, 11:26:39 AM
Post by: wolfbait on July 30, 2019, 05:45:19 AM
Grizzly bear just off the Spring Coulee rd, down close to homes, don't get surprised...
Seems the grizzly bears have already "migrated" to WA.
Post by: huntnnw on July 30, 2019, 06:07:38 AM
Post by: asmith on July 30, 2019, 06:24:27 AM
My comment this go around.
NO!
Washington Ungulates are facing unprecedented challenges with wolves establishing on the landscape and gross mismanagement by the state WDFW agency. WDFW had been failing to properly managing predators and has led to a rapid decline in our Elk herds as well as other ungulate species. We in Washington are inundated with too many Mt. Lions, too many black bear, too many wolves. Introduction of yet another apex predator would contribute to an even greater decline. I know that it is the practice to relocate problem bears, don't lie to us, we don't want problem bears either!
If the Grizz want to be in the Cascade ecosystem they'll get there naturally;
We don't need them imported from other western states happy to be rid of them.
Comment made.
I used this as a template for my comments, hope you don't mind. Added and subtracted a few things.
Post by: buglebrush on July 30, 2019, 07:44:40 AM
Post by: ctwiggs1 on July 30, 2019, 07:45:30 AM
I've got five different Grizzlies on a single camera in the NE Corner! What in the world makes them think we need more of them! :bash: Wouldn't it be amazing to see them actually care about our rapidly declining moose or mule deer populations like they do about their precious predators?
That's pretty incredible. Just a decade ago I recall them thinking we only had at most a dozen grizzlies in the state.
Post by: buglebrush on July 30, 2019, 07:48:31 AM
I've got five different Grizzlies on a single camera in the NE Corner! What in the world makes them think we need more of them! :bash: Wouldn't it be amazing to see them actually care about our rapidly declining moose or mule deer populations like they do about their precious predators?
That's pretty incredible. Just a decade ago I recall them thinking we only had at most a dozen grizzlies in the state.
I'm sure they were full of 💩 then too. If there's not a predator crisis happening where would the bios get funding?
Post by: WildlifeAssassin on July 30, 2019, 08:11:56 AM
https://parkplanning.nps.gov/document.cfm?parkID=327&projectID=44144&documentID=77025
Pushback is the only thing that stops this BS, if you haven’t commented or only sent it to WDFW, please comment here as well.
Post by: Bushcraft on July 30, 2019, 09:36:41 AM
Regardless, please continue making comments against the reintroduction. The more that are cataloged for future reference, the better.
Post by: wolfbait on August 02, 2019, 07:19:02 AM
https://methowvalleynews.com/2019/07/31/comment-period-reopened-for-grizzly-restoration-proposal/
Post by: Vine Maples and Cottonwoo on August 02, 2019, 09:43:03 PM
The Alternatives listed in the article seems to indicate my suspicion is correct, and would probably vary depending on the need to relocate problem bears. It would seem that Washington is chosen because it is far enough away from the problem bears home range, that it is unlikely they would return once relocated. Problem bears that return, likely need to be permanently removed, something the Powerful Interest don't want to do.
If Washington is native habitat for grizzlies, so to would be Oregon, Northern California, the Dakotas, New Mexico and Arizona.
An interesting quote from the article-
"Although the actual number of grizzlies in the NCE is not known, it is “highly unlikely that the area contains a viable grizzly bear population,” the original draft EIS stated. There have been only four confirmed detections of grizzly bears in the greater NCE in the past decade, all of which occurred in British Columbia and may comprise only two bears. There is no confirmed evidence of grizzly bears in the U.S. portion of the NCE since 1996, according to the draft EIS."
Actual Numbers of Grizzlies is unknown- Hmm. maybe, maybe not. Just like numbers of wolves are unknown...
Only 4 confirmed sightings in the last decade- Hmm, like wolf reports that are unconfirmed? Maybe someone doesn't want them confirmed? Only seen in BC? Is that believable?
My guess is that more is known than admitted to.
I'd also guess that there might be some photos of grizzles in the North Cascades available from some here. Some have probably tried to report their sighting, only to be blown off.
My other guess regarding the need for high predator populations, is to keep people out, and make survival very difficult. I would also guess that these plans fall into line with the Agenda 21 Plans.
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on August 03, 2019, 07:06:15 AM
Post by: WildlifeAssassin on August 03, 2019, 10:13:50 AM
Post by: Pegasus on August 03, 2019, 02:04:42 PM
Post by: elkchaser54 on August 04, 2019, 05:01:50 PM
Post by: Jpmiller on August 04, 2019, 06:18:26 PM
Post by: KFhunter on August 04, 2019, 10:41:19 PM
I'm a little worried they'll get an increase black bear harvest with a statewide 2 bear limit and longer seasons and say "look at this void that's been created on the landscape, let's put in grizzly to fill it".I think you got too much faith in the bear hunting, stats are pretty poor even for the spring bear hunt where you'd think hunters would put in a good effort since its a special tag, but most go unfulfilled
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Post by: WildlifeAssassin on August 21, 2019, 05:07:34 PM
“This plan is critical under the Endangered Species Act for restoring a grizzly population in the North Cascades Grizzly Bear Recovery Zone, wildlands anchored by North Cascades National Park and several designated Wilderness Areas.
Encompassing approximately 9,800 square miles, this is one of the largest blocks of public land remaining in the lower 48 states. It’s the only area in the contiguous U.S. outside the greater Rocky Mountains where grizzlies still roam, and the only federally-designated Grizzly Bear Recovery Zone on the West Coast.
The last public input period on the grizzly restoration DEIS garnered more than 120,000 comments, the vast majority supportive of grizzly bear restoration in the North Cascades.
All comments received during the public comment period that was open from January to April 2017 will still be considered. But we need YOU to speak up and submit comments once more! Suggested comments available below.
Federal agencies have proposed four alternative approaches for grizzly bear restoration, including one “No Action” and three action alternatives with a range of options for translocating a number of bears into the North Cascades Ecosystem.
We support Alternative C because we recognize that wildlife agencies must balance grizzly bear biology, ecological function of wildlands and social acceptance of grizzly bear recovery in their decision-making.
In brief, Alternative C would allow wildlife professionals to move up to five grizzly bears per year into the North Cascades for five to seven years, or until a reproducing population of 25 bears is established and can slowly grow naturally.
Opponents of grizzly bear restoration will surely make their voices heard during this final comment period. Those of you who envision a place for the grizzly in our wild North Cascades need to speak up, too!
Feel free to copy and paste our suggested comments, below, into the National Park Service comment form. Please customize your comments if you can!
joe
Sincerely,
Joe-Scott-signature
Joe Scott
International Program Director
Suggested Comments
I am writing to express my strong support for grizzly bear restoration in the North Cascades. Grizzly bears once thrived in the North Cascades and are vital to maintaining a complete, ecologically-functional ecosystem. Grizzly bears enhance the backcountry experience and are an important part of our Northwest natural heritage, one that’s on the brink of disappearing.
Specifically, I support Alternative C: Incremental Restoration. Alternative C strikes a sound balance to meet the mutual goals of grizzly bear restoration and the needs of people. I believe grizzly bears will benefit our region’s ecosystems and economies alike, and preserve true wildness for future generations to cherish and enjoy.
Grizzly bear range in the contiguous U.S. has been reduced by 98 percent. Restoring grizzly bears to the Cascades will help to maintain the animal’s distribution on the West Coast (the only Grizzly Bear Recovery Zone outside of the Rocky Mountains). We also know that people and grizzly bears coexist in other areas where the bears are much more abundant, and local economies are supported by tourism, backcountry recreation and ranching to name a few.
Grizzly bears won’t recover on their own because the North Cascades is isolated from larger, more well-connected grizzly bear populations in the U.S. and Canada. In the decades since the grizzly was protected by the Endangered Species Act, grizzlies have not recovered in the North Cascades. Thus, the “No Action” alternative in the DEIS will not suffice to achieve grizzly bear recovery in the Cascades nor will it satisfy the objectives of the EIS process, the responsibilities of federal agencies under the ESA or the national strategy for recovering grizzly bears in the identified Grizzly Bear Recovery Zones.
During your scoping period, the 2017 DEIS comment period, and in recent public polling, broad support has been documented for grizzly bear restoration. Please do the right thing and bring back this native species through the strategy laid out in Alternative C. Alternative C strikes an acceptable balance between the biological and the social sciences. Grizzly bear restoration through Alternative C will restore an important piece of our ecosystem, regional culture and natural heritage.
Thank you,
YOUR NAME”
If you value hunting make comments, we’re already bent over a log with wolves, don’t let them add grizzlies to the mix.
Post by: X-Force on August 21, 2019, 05:29:43 PM
https://parkplanning.nps.gov/PlanProcess.cfm?projectID=44144 (https://parkplanning.nps.gov/PlanProcess.cfm?projectID=44144)
Post by: trophyhunt on August 21, 2019, 05:31:40 PM
Post by: HillHound on August 21, 2019, 05:52:55 PM
Post by: Pegasus on August 21, 2019, 07:18:22 PM
This is what Conservation NW is sending out. Please send in comments against this nonsense.
“This plan is critical under the Endangered Species Act for restoring a grizzly population in the North Cascades Grizzly Bear Recovery Zone, wildlands anchored by North Cascades National Park and several designated Wilderness Areas.
Encompassing approximately 9,800 square miles, this is one of the largest blocks of public land remaining in the lower 48 states. It’s the only area in the contiguous U.S. outside the greater Rocky Mountains where grizzlies still roam, and the only federally-designated Grizzly Bear Recovery Zone on the West Coast.
The last public input period on the grizzly restoration DEIS garnered more than 120,000 comments, the vast majority supportive of grizzly bear restoration in the North Cascades.
All comments received during the public comment period that was open from January to April 2017 will still be considered. But we need YOU to speak up and submit comments once more! Suggested comments available below.
Federal agencies have proposed four alternative approaches for grizzly bear restoration, including one “No Action” and three action alternatives with a range of options for translocating a number of bears into the North Cascades Ecosystem.
We support Alternative C because we recognize that wildlife agencies must balance grizzly bear biology, ecological function of wildlands and social acceptance of grizzly bear recovery in their decision-making.
In brief, Alternative C would allow wildlife professionals to move up to five grizzly bears per year into the North Cascades for five to seven years, or until a reproducing population of 25 bears is established and can slowly grow naturally.
Opponents of grizzly bear restoration will surely make their voices heard during this final comment period. Those of you who envision a place for the grizzly in our wild North Cascades need to speak up, too!
Feel free to copy and paste our suggested comments, below, into the National Park Service comment form. Please customize your comments if you can!
joe
Sincerely,
Joe-Scott-signature
Joe Scott
International Program Director
Suggested Comments
I am writing to express my strong support for grizzly bear restoration in the North Cascades. Grizzly bears once thrived in the North Cascades and are vital to maintaining a complete, ecologically-functional ecosystem. Grizzly bears enhance the backcountry experience and are an important part of our Northwest natural heritage, one that’s on the brink of disappearing.
Specifically, I support Alternative C: Incremental Restoration. Alternative C strikes a sound balance to meet the mutual goals of grizzly bear restoration and the needs of people. I believe grizzly bears will benefit our region’s ecosystems and economies alike, and preserve true wildness for future generations to cherish and enjoy.
Grizzly bear range in the contiguous U.S. has been reduced by 98 percent. Restoring grizzly bears to the Cascades will help to maintain the animal’s distribution on the West Coast (the only Grizzly Bear Recovery Zone outside of the Rocky Mountains). We also know that people and grizzly bears coexist in other areas where the bears are much more abundant, and local economies are supported by tourism, backcountry recreation and ranching to name a few.
Grizzly bears won’t recover on their own because the North Cascades is isolated from larger, more well-connected grizzly bear populations in the U.S. and Canada. In the decades since the grizzly was protected by the Endangered Species Act, grizzlies have not recovered in the North Cascades. Thus, the “No Action” alternative in the DEIS will not suffice to achieve grizzly bear recovery in the Cascades nor will it satisfy the objectives of the EIS process, the responsibilities of federal agencies under the ESA or the national strategy for recovering grizzly bears in the identified Grizzly Bear Recovery Zones.
During your scoping period, the 2017 DEIS comment period, and in recent public polling, broad support has been documented for grizzly bear restoration. Please do the right thing and bring back this native species through the strategy laid out in Alternative C. Alternative C strikes an acceptable balance between the biological and the social sciences. Grizzly bear restoration through Alternative C will restore an important piece of our ecosystem, regional culture and natural heritage.
Thank you,
YOUR NAME”
If you value hunting make comments, we’re already bent over a log with wolves, don’t let them add grizzlies to the mix.
That is nuts. Same story as the wolves. Please note that no option is available to say "NO to ANY Grizzlies in Washington State". These bears were eliminated years ago for a reason. Now with the human population increased 5 fold we want to release these bears back into the state?
https://www.skinnymoose.com/racktracker/2009/02/04/looking-back-the-last-grizzly-in-washington/
Post by: wolfbait on August 27, 2019, 08:31:23 AM
“We are confident that the result will be the same as it was prior to the interruption of the process – overwhelming support for grizzly bear recovery in the North Cascades, including from people in areas around the recovery zone,” Conservation Northwest said in the release.
https://methowvalleynews.com/2019/08/07/conservation-northwest-weighs-in-on-grizzly-restoration-process/
I wonder if it isn't already a done deal?
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Post by: WildlifeAssassin on August 28, 2019, 10:27:57 AM
https://parkplanning.nps.gov/document.cfm?parkID=327&projectID=44144&documentID=77025
Click the “comment now” button and tell these fools to pound sand.
Post by: WildlifeAssassin on October 10, 2019, 10:11:16 PM
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