Post by: 1972Pinto on June 24, 2019, 02:03:07 PM
Post by: linxx77 on June 24, 2019, 02:17:44 PM
Post by: lamrith on June 24, 2019, 02:23:44 PM
Hit up the 65grendel forums,. Lots of great info there and tons of people hunting with them with zero issue. Def a good caliber to be reloading fro as ammo is not cheap, last I looked sales for the Amax was in the $1/rnd range.
Post by: Alchase on June 24, 2019, 02:27:02 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on June 24, 2019, 02:36:46 PM
Post by: Alchase on June 24, 2019, 02:42:02 PM
I've been playing with the grendel for my daughter. It's nice because I can run a .223 upper on th same lower as she will hunt with and then swap over to the grendel once she is really confident in the weapon. So far I've played with 123 eldm, and 120gr ballistic tips. The BT have held MOA in 3 different seating depths using 27gr of TAC on my last trip out. I think moa is about as good as this barrel is gonna do
How do you like the ELDMs?
I shot a couple hundred .223 V-MAX and ELDMs on Saturday. Did not get to stretch the range out to see a difference.
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 24, 2019, 03:02:53 PM
It's plenty for deer. Just below 308win energy 0-400yrds and better than 308win 400yrds+ and it shoots flatter with much lower recoil. Great caliber for younger or smaller shooters.
Hit up the 65grendel forums,. Lots of great info there and tons of people hunting with them with zero issue. Def a good caliber to be reloading fro as ammo is not cheap, last I looked sales for the Amax was in the $1/rnd range.
The Wolf steel casing is about $0.65/rnd. It shoots a little dirty but performs surprisingly well. I haven't noticed a big difference 300 yds and under. Over that, it might be my eyes or the ammo - no way to discern.
Post by: X-Force on June 24, 2019, 03:09:00 PM
I've been playing with the grendel for my daughter. It's nice because I can run a .223 upper on th same lower as she will hunt with and then swap over to the grendel once she is really confident in the weapon. So far I've played with 123 eldm, and 120gr ballistic tips. The BT have held MOA in 3 different seating depths using 27gr of TAC on my last trip out. I think moa is about as good as this barrel is gonna do
Awesome. I have been thinking the same for my daughter. What barrel length are you running?
Post by: trophyhunt on June 24, 2019, 03:19:30 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on June 24, 2019, 03:27:10 PM
the 6 position stock is nice for her short little arms, though she hit a growth spurt and is just about able to comfortably shoulder the ruger American. I went with an 18" because I wanted the total package to be manageable with both weight and length. It's not lightening fast at 2,475fps but it's intended purpose is deer inside 300 yards so not much concern about the speed.I've been playing with the grendel for my daughter. It's nice because I can run a .223 upper on th same lower as she will hunt with and then swap over to the grendel once she is really confident in the weapon. So far I've played with 123 eldm, and 120gr ballistic tips. The BT have held MOA in 3 different seating depths using 27gr of TAC on my last trip out. I think moa is about as good as this barrel is gonna do
Awesome. I have been thinking the same for my daughter. What barrel length are you running?
Post by: Karl Blanchard on June 24, 2019, 03:28:32 PM
ruling is still out as I ran out of them before I got new powder. I've got another box coming, along with a box of 100gr m'sI've been playing with the grendel for my daughter. It's nice because I can run a .223 upper on th same lower as she will hunt with and then swap over to the grendel once she is really confident in the weapon. So far I've played with 123 eldm, and 120gr ballistic tips. The BT have held MOA in 3 different seating depths using 27gr of TAC on my last trip out. I think moa is about as good as this barrel is gonna do
How do you like the ELDMs?
I shot a couple hundred .223 V-MAX and ELDMs on Saturday. Did not get to stretch the range out to see a difference.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on June 24, 2019, 04:33:53 PM
It is a very solid choice with light recoil and most are very accurate and lots of bullet choices. The 123sst has been my go to in the Grendel for hunting. I have shot about a dz different bullets and mine all seem to really like 123 bullets with the twist rates I run. For big game hunting the 100-123 probably be the better choice over some of the lighter options on the market.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on June 24, 2019, 05:08:59 PM
Post by: yorketransport on June 24, 2019, 05:42:07 PM
I used the 130gr Accubond but something in the 120-123gr range is probably a better fit.
Post by: Goshawk on June 24, 2019, 09:30:21 PM
It's plenty for deer. Just below 308win energy 0-400yrds and better than 308win 400yrds+ and it shoots flatter with much lower recoil. Great caliber for younger or smaller shooters. Hit up the 65grendel forums,. Lots of great info there and tons of people hunting with them with zero issue. Def a good caliber to be reloading fro as ammo is not cheap, last I looked sales for the Amax was in the $1/rnd range.
I keep hearing these high stakes claims, but have yet to figure out the loading that makes the slow 6.5 Grendel somehow better than a mid range 308.
Since we're talking hunting, let's use Nosler ballistics and look at them both sighted in at 200 yards. This is straight from the Nosler website and Sterlock Calculator.
Take the 129 grain Accubond Long Range (.530BC) 6.5 Grendel load at a maxium of 2500fps out of a 24" test barrel (not a short AR15 gas operated system) you get the following ballistics.
Muzzle is 2507fps.
200 yards you're at 2,200 fps at 1387 ft lbs of energy.
400 yards you're at 1,919 fps at 1054 ft lbs of energy, at 27.4" low.
850 yards you're at 1,371 fps at 538 ft lbs of energy, at 248" low.
The 168 grain Accubond Long Range (.525BC) in the 308 Winchester at a maximum of 2910fps again out of a 24" test barrel, you get the following ballistics.
Muzzle is 2910fps.
200 yards you're at 2,500 fps at 2,463 ft lbs of energy.
400 yards you're at 2,255 fps at 1,897 ft lbs of energy, at 19.7" low.
850 yards you're at 1,640 fps at 1,003 ft lbs of energy, at 178" low.
While the 6.5 Grendel is the weakest and slowest of any of the commercial 6.5 rounds it is plenty for deer and such sized game in a low recoiling round. A much better choice than say the 300 Whisper for distance beyond 100 yards.
What the 6.5 Grendel is not, is superior in flight or energy to the 308 Winchester when loaded to equal pressures out of the same length of barrel. Less mass traveling at a slower speed under similar BC's does not magically increase energy.
I've put two of these uppers together. One is an amazing 1/3 MOA tack driver with the 123SST line. The other is a 4MOA that jams 2 out of 5 rounds and is still waiting for me to either Gunbroker it off or send it back. Both are of the same brand just different models. Oddly enough, the jammer is the bull barrel model and the tack driver is a lighter barrel; go figure.
Post by: Stein on June 24, 2019, 10:31:25 PM
They really aren't hard to kill if you can find them and hit them with any sort of reasonable shot. If you want to shoot one with a 6.5 AR rifle, go for it.
Post by: Bigshooter on June 24, 2019, 10:49:05 PM
Post by: Alchase on June 25, 2019, 12:07:40 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on June 25, 2019, 12:22:44 PM
Part of me thinks that in all these comparisons of .308 to 6.5 G being anywhere near each other, they are confusing the 6.5 G with the 6.5 CM.I think often times that is the case. I'd also point out though that using 2,900fps for a .308 to compare the two isn't very realistic either lol.
Post by: headshot5 on June 25, 2019, 12:35:59 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on June 25, 2019, 05:00:35 PM
I'm gonna end up running 130gr Berger AR hybrids in mine just to annoy Carp :chuckle:
Hahahaha oh that made me laugh. Good thing it’s in a semi auto so you got lots of back up bullets to send :chuckle:
Post by: carpsniperg2 on June 25, 2019, 05:05:33 PM
22” barrel 123sst about 100 yards.
Never seen so many chunks of heart and lungs in a blood trail. Tough little deer went about 50 yards.
I don’t leave my pics on here so it will be gone after a bit but figured some Grendel love would help the idea.
Post by: Alchase on June 25, 2019, 05:16:59 PM
Post by: Goshawk on June 25, 2019, 05:51:10 PM
The 6.5 swede and the 6.5 Grendel have very similar ballistics. And the 6.5 swede has been used in Europe to kill a ton of moose. I think the Grendel will do just fine on deer.
Actually, the 6.5x55, or Swedish Mauser outpaces the Grendel by almost 200fps.
Post by: Goshawk on June 25, 2019, 05:53:10 PM
Part of me thinks that in all these comparisons of .308 to 6.5 G being anywhere near each other, they are confusing the 6.5 G with the 6.5 CM.I think often times that is the case. I'd also point out though that using 2,900fps for a .308 to compare the two isn't very realistic either lol.
That's straight out of the Nosler Data, with a 24" barrel which by the way is always on line at no charge. Ditto Barnes Bullets.
A 18" Grendel is going to fare even worse considering the data was with a 24" barrel.
Post by: Goshawk on June 25, 2019, 05:58:03 PM
Part of me thinks that in all these comparisons of .308 to 6.5 G being anywhere near each other, they are confusing the 6.5 G with the 6.5 CM.
That makes sense.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on June 25, 2019, 07:04:20 PM
I'm not disagreeing that the 308 is superior to the grendel in every way, im just saying very few people are loading the 308 to 114% case capacity. Most are running an imr4350 or similar and achieving 2600-2750. I load for 4 different 308 from 18" barrels to 24". 2500 in the grendel with a 120-123 is a fair velocity. Like I said before, I'm getting 2475 with 27gr of tac and I didnt see pressure till 29 so I could achieve 2500 in my 18" barrel very easily.Part of me thinks that in all these comparisons of .308 to 6.5 G being anywhere near each other, they are confusing the 6.5 G with the 6.5 CM.I think often times that is the case. I'd also point out though that using 2,900fps for a .308 to compare the two isn't very realistic either lol.
That's straight out of the Nosler Data, with a 24" barrel which by the way is always on line at no charge. Ditto Barnes Bullets.
A 18" Grendel is going to fare even worse considering the data was with a 24" barrel.
Post by: wheels on June 26, 2019, 07:32:01 AM
Post by: daddyelk on June 26, 2019, 07:50:03 AM
Post by: Cervus on July 05, 2019, 10:03:21 PM
The single-shot damage to the buck’s heart/lungs was devastating at 200 yards---based on that, I have no issues going out to 300 yards for deer with this caliber.
The cow elk at 240-265 yards was a different story. It took 3 well placed shots (1 liver-lung, 1 double lung, and 1 heart) before she went down. I recovered a fully expanded bullet from under her skin on the offside front shoulder (didn’t pass through). Based on that experience, I’m limiting myself to 200 yards on elk, and only then with excellent shot placement opportunities.
Things that stand out for me about the Grendel:
1) Super customizable on the AR platform which is awesome for small folks like me (hurray for pistol grips and adjustable LOP stocks). Also being able to break it in half and stuff it in a pack for the hike in/out is priceless.
2) Recoil is minimal, especially w/ a recoil reducing stock and muzzle break. Great for learning and recoil-sensitive shooters--no flinching/or getting walloped.
3) Shot placement is critical, especially past 200 yards. But shooting accurately is really helped by the mellow recoil.
Full disclosure: I’m building a second rifle (6.5 CM or 7mm08, TBD) for elk as I want something that shoots bigger bullets faster out to 350 yards. But for deer, I will bring my Grendel. Every time.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on July 05, 2019, 10:23:09 PM
Post by: Dan-o on July 06, 2019, 07:43:55 AM
I’m a late addition to this thread, but I’ll weigh in since I love my Grendel. My husband built mine when I started hunting so that I had a low-recoil, lightweight rifle to learn with. Thus far I’ve spent a small fortune target shooting, and taken a mule deer doe (65 yards), mule deer buck (200 yards), and cow elk (240-265 yards) with it, all using 123 grain Hornady SSTs.
The single-shot damage to the buck’s heart/lungs was devastating at 200 yards---based on that, I have no issues going out to 300 yards for deer with this caliber.
The cow elk at 240-265 yards was a different story. It took 3 well placed shots (1 liver-lung, 1 double lung, and 1 heart) before she went down. I recovered a fully expanded bullet from under her skin on the offside front shoulder (didn’t pass through). Based on that experience, I’m limiting myself to 200 yards on elk, and only then with excellent shot placement opportunities.
Things that stand out for me about the Grendel:
1) Super customizable on the AR platform which is awesome for small folks like me (hurray for pistol grips and adjustable LOP stocks). Also being able to break it in half and stuff it in a pack for the hike in/out is priceless.
2) Recoil is minimal, especially w/ a recoil reducing stock and muzzle break. Great for learning and recoil-sensitive shooters--no flinching/or getting walloped.
3) Shot placement is critical, especially past 200 yards. But shooting accurately is really helped by the mellow recoil.
Full disclosure: I’m building a second rifle (6.5 CM or 7mm08, TBD) for elk as I want something that shoots bigger bullets faster out to 350 yards. But for deer, I will bring my Grendel. Every time.
Real world experience is NOT allowed.
Stick to ballistic tables.
Seriously, I like your analysis and conclusions, based on actual experience.
I put a Grendel together 6ish months ago...... I wouldn't take it to E. Washington, just because I have rifles better suited to longer shots.
But I do kind of want to take it on a walk, looking for a Blacktail.