Post by: dscubame on July 25, 2019, 12:20:14 PM
Post by: HillHound on July 25, 2019, 12:25:58 PM
Post by: h20hunter on July 25, 2019, 12:27:32 PM
Post by: vandeman17 on July 25, 2019, 01:43:07 PM
Post by: Bob33 on July 25, 2019, 01:52:00 PM
Nevada:
Trail Cameras
With certain exemptions, it is illegal to place, maintain or use a trail camera on public land from August 1 – December 31 of each year. July 1 through December 31 if the camera is capable of transmitting.
Post by: Doublelunger on July 25, 2019, 02:19:24 PM
Wow so because some guys have the time and effort to put in to scout it is now an unfair advantage? I suppose they better outlaw high-end optics also because that gives me an unfair advantage over the guy who can only afford the cheapo 3 x 9. And they better outlaw the high-quality lightweight rain gear that gives those guys a upper hand on all the guys you can only afford the old flannel and jeans.
My understanding was that the main purpose of the law was to protect the well being of the animals. Water sources are limited and every water hole and spring had a dozen cameras on them being checked regularly and it was putting a lot of stress on the critters. :dunno:
Post by: vandeman17 on July 25, 2019, 02:33:25 PM
Wow so because some guys have the time and effort to put in to scout it is now an unfair advantage? I suppose they better outlaw high-end optics also because that gives me an unfair advantage over the guy who can only afford the cheapo 3 x 9. And they better outlaw the high-quality lightweight rain gear that gives those guys a upper hand on all the guys you can only afford the old flannel and jeans.
My understanding was that the main purpose of the law was to protect the well being of the animals. Water sources are limited and every water hole and spring had a dozen cameras on them being checked regularly and it was putting a lot of stress on the critters. :dunno:
Yes, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico and parts of Utah have this issue. I have seen pictures of water holes or guzzlers with like 20 cameras up on anything they can find or pack in to get a camera up.
Post by: trophyhunt on July 25, 2019, 02:52:18 PM
Post by: MtnMuley on July 25, 2019, 03:01:12 PM
They're not the first. Nevada has a similar law and I suspect other states do as well.
Nevada:
Trail Cameras
With certain exemptions, it is illegal to place, maintain or use a trail camera on public land from August 1 – December 31 of each year. July 1 through December 31 if the camera is capable of transmitting.
That's confusing. Nevada is what this topic is all about. :dunno:
Post by: BULLBLASTER on July 25, 2019, 03:02:05 PM
Fish and game should have a camera there and charge people to download the pictures from it. :chuckle:Wow so because some guys have the time and effort to put in to scout it is now an unfair advantage? I suppose they better outlaw high-end optics also because that gives me an unfair advantage over the guy who can only afford the cheapo 3 x 9. And they better outlaw the high-quality lightweight rain gear that gives those guys a upper hand on all the guys you can only afford the old flannel and jeans.
My understanding was that the main purpose of the law was to protect the well being of the animals. Water sources are limited and every water hole and spring had a dozen cameras on them being checked regularly and it was putting a lot of stress on the critters. :dunno:
Yes, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico and parts of Utah have this issue. I have seen pictures of water holes or guzzlers with like 20 cameras up on anything they can find or pack in to get a camera up.
Post by: Bob33 on July 25, 2019, 03:08:56 PM
LOL. My mistake. Sorry about that.They're not the first. Nevada has a similar law and I suspect other states do as well.
Nevada:
Trail Cameras
With certain exemptions, it is illegal to place, maintain or use a trail camera on public land from August 1 – December 31 of each year. July 1 through December 31 if the camera is capable of transmitting.
That's confusing. Nevada is what this topic is all about. :dunno:
Post by: huntnnw on July 29, 2019, 10:20:40 PM
Fish and game should have a camera there and charge people to download the pictures from it. :chuckle:Wow so because some guys have the time and effort to put in to scout it is now an unfair advantage? I suppose they better outlaw high-end optics also because that gives me an unfair advantage over the guy who can only afford the cheapo 3 x 9. And they better outlaw the high-quality lightweight rain gear that gives those guys a upper hand on all the guys you can only afford the old flannel and jeans.
My understanding was that the main purpose of the law was to protect the well being of the animals. Water sources are limited and every water hole and spring had a dozen cameras on them being checked regularly and it was putting a lot of stress on the critters. :dunno:
Yes, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico and parts of Utah have this issue. I have seen pictures of water holes or guzzlers with like 20 cameras up on anything they can find or pack in to get a camera up.
hey now! dont be giving WDFW any ideas :chuckle:
Post by: bear on July 30, 2019, 05:56:07 AM
Post by: dvolmer on July 30, 2019, 05:57:24 AM
Post by: huntnnw on July 30, 2019, 06:02:16 AM
I know I will get some flack, but I think all trail cameras should be outlawed. If you want to scout, then get out there and scout.
outlawed for what reasons?
Post by: Bango skank on July 30, 2019, 06:04:37 AM
I know I will get some flack, but I think all trail cameras should be outlawed. If you want to scout, then get out there and scout.
So if you hang cameras youre not scouting huh? I spend a hell of a lot more time scouting than most guys, and burn a ton of boot leather in the process. I just happen to hang cameras while i do it. That somehow negates all the time, effort and miles i put in? "Anything i dont personally like to do should be illegal" is a selfish, self reightous attitude. But i guess everything YOU do is beyond reproach, you little saint you.
Post by: huntnnw on July 30, 2019, 06:09:27 AM
Post by: Bango skank on July 30, 2019, 06:21:59 AM
:yeah: this is the exact selfish attitude in the hunting world that divides and removes rights from hunters " well if its not the way I hunt then it should be against the law"
Then another guy doesnt like electronic callers, lets make those illegal. Another guy doesnt like seeing pack animals and wall tents, so outlaw that too. Another guy hates hearing atvs, so those are out too. This guy here doesnt think long range hunting is fair chase, lets put limits on scope magnification and outlaw range finders. Another guy thinks using urine and scents is cheating, lets outlaw those. And on and on and on. And finally, whats left?
Post by: Ghost Hunter on July 30, 2019, 06:22:27 AM
Seems like a stupid law
It's not a stupid law. Like others have said, there are dozens of cameras around some water holes keeping animals from the water. Some people have turned it into a business, selling gps coordinates and other info gathered from the cameras. Thousands of dollars and volunteer hours are spent building guzzlers and maintaining watering holes, just to have those activities to deter animals from using them.
Post by: Doublelunger on July 30, 2019, 07:00:23 AM
I know I will get some flack, but I think all trail cameras should be outlawed. If you want to scout, then get out there and scout.
I thing magnum rifles, gps, scopes, and range finders should be illegal! If you want to hunt then get out there and actually hunt!
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 30, 2019, 07:19:51 AM
I like it. Hate hiking and seeing cameras.
Really, you're seeing lots of cams out there while hiking and it's bothersome? I've seen like 5 in my life. :dunno:
Post by: bear on July 30, 2019, 07:39:28 AM
I like it. Hate hiking and seeing cameras.
Really, you're seeing lots of cams out there while hiking and it's bothersome? I've seen like 5 in my life. :dunno:
I’ve seen more than that in one hike. Just ruined it for me. I enjoy the wilderness experience more without seeing these things
Post by: Karl Blanchard on July 30, 2019, 07:41:06 AM
this. It's like anything, responsible use and it's not an issue. Abuse will always bring laws that affect the average user. We put enough pressure on animals in the fall, do we really need to hammer them year round?Seems like a stupid law
It's not a stupid law. Like others have said, there are dozens of cameras around some water holes keeping animals from the water. Some people have turned it into a business, selling gps coordinates and other info gathered from the cameras. Thousands of dollars and volunteer hours are spent building guzzlers and maintaining watering holes, just to have those activities to deter animals from using them.
We are spoiled up here in the NW where water flows out of everywhere, but down south in these arid areas, a guzzler is literally life or death some years. I dont think a seasonal restriction is unreasonable given the current situation.
Post by: Bango skank on July 30, 2019, 07:49:03 AM
I like it. Hate hiking and seeing cameras.
Really, you're seeing lots of cams out there while hiking and it's bothersome? I've seen like 5 in my life. :dunno:
I’ve seen more than that in one hike. Just ruined it for me. I enjoy the wilderness experience more without seeing these things
If youre seeing that many cameras, my guess is youre not actually in a wilderness
Post by: bornhunter on July 30, 2019, 07:50:32 AM
Post by: vandeman17 on July 30, 2019, 07:53:07 AM
For pro camera users answer this question. Why do you place a camera in the woods? Is it because you just like to look at wildlife or is it because you cant be there 24/7 and when season opens you have an edge? Or what? Honest answers will tell a lot here.
Both. I love getting pictures of critters, both huntable and non huntable. I would say maybe 1 in 10 of my camera sets are in places that I plan to MAYBE hunt that year
Post by: Bango skank on July 30, 2019, 07:53:14 AM
For pro camera users answer this question. Why do you place a camera in the woods? Is it because you just like to look at wildlife or is it because you cant be there 24/7 and when season opens you have an edge? Or what? Honest answers will tell a lot here.
I dont know what a pro camera user is, but i run a lot of cameras. Primarily im looking to see what quality / age class of animals an area holds. But in the end, its a fun year round hobby. I hang quite a few cameras in areas i have zero intention of actually hunting, because its fun to look at the pictures. A lot of times ill hang a camera up in the spring, and not even go back until the following year.
Post by: HillHound on July 30, 2019, 08:18:39 AM
I do suppose in arid areas if it is deterring animals from water then regulations make sense. To regulate it because it’s an unfair advantage seems like we could keep going all day.
Post by: Bango skank on July 30, 2019, 08:24:38 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on July 30, 2019, 08:33:29 AM
Post by: Bango skank on July 30, 2019, 08:35:58 AM
Everyone go back and read ghost hunters post. Nevada's law has nothing to do with ethics and everything to do with protecting animals during a Vulnerable time from Jack wagons. No different than the shed laws many states have adopted. This isn't NE WA, this is Nevada we are talking about. As more and more people figure out they can monetize these animals you'll see more and more laws combating the few who ruin it for the many.
I dont disagree with nevadas reasoning. What youre seeing here is people responding to the dude that says he doesnt like them and they should be illegal here.
Post by: Bango skank on July 30, 2019, 08:42:26 AM
I know I will get some flack, but I think all trail cameras should be outlawed. If you want to scout, then get out there and scout.
outlawed for what reasons?
Because he doesnt use them. And his way is the only right way.
Post by: bornhunter on July 30, 2019, 09:02:13 AM
For pro camera users answer this question. Why do you place a camera in the woods? Is it because you just like to look at wildlife or is it because you cant be there 24/7 and when season opens you have an edge? Or what? Honest answers will tell a lot here.
Both. I love getting pictures of critters, both huntable and non huntable. I would say maybe 1 in 10 of my camera sets are in places that I plan to MAYBE hunt that year
Now there is an honest answer.
Post by: bornhunter on July 30, 2019, 09:03:19 AM
For pro camera users answer this question. Why do you place a camera in the woods? Is it because you just like to look at wildlife or is it because you cant be there 24/7 and when season opens you have an edge? Or what? Honest answers will tell a lot here.
Both. I love getting pictures of critters, both huntable and non huntable. I would say maybe 1 in 10 of my camera sets are in places that I plan to MAYBE hunt that year
Post by: bornhunter on July 30, 2019, 09:05:21 AM
Definitely would not consider my self a “pro” camera user. I suppose you would have to be making money in one of the aforementioned ways to be a pro. But I do have a dozen or more and yes I suppose I do put them out so that I can see the age class of animals in an area and possibly even pattern them, though unlikely. Sure this gives me an advantage come hunting season but so do my nice boots, lightweight hunting gear, scent control products, you name it. If you aren’t out in a loin cloth rubbing deer feces on your self to get close enough to stick a rock through a deer that you sharpened out of the creek bed that morning it could be argued that you have an “unfair advantage”
I do suppose in arid areas if it is deterring animals from water then regulations make sense. To regulate it because it’s an unfair advantage seems like we could keep going all day.
Good point! :tup:
Post by: Stein on July 30, 2019, 09:05:58 AM
That said, the restriction is clearly based on science and common sense and designed to help maintain healthy populations. This is what we want state agencies to do and has nothing to do with ethics. This is protecting the resource for others to enjoy for generations down the line as opposed to only thinking about ourselves.
Post by: baker5150 on July 30, 2019, 09:06:20 AM
Post by: emac on July 30, 2019, 09:12:22 AM
I like it. Hate hiking and seeing cameras.I hate seeing other hikers in the woods so we could ban that also 😂😂
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Post by: pianoman9701 on July 30, 2019, 09:21:37 AM
Some people use them, some don't. There can be two valid opinions on an issue without considering one side a sell-out to the hunting community. Healthy discussion on what methods should be used to hunt should not be feared. For example, most people believe you shouldn't be able to shoot a deer in the headlights out of your truck window at night. That belief does not take away anyone's rights or lead to the complete ban on hunting through some trickle down effect.
That said, the restriction is clearly based on science and common sense and designed to help maintain healthy populations. This is what we want state agencies to do and has nothing to do with ethics. This is protecting the resource for others to enjoy for generations down the line as opposed to only thinking about ourselves.
In those areas with drought conditions where there's a measured negative effect on the animals, I agree that restricting cams is in the best interest of the wildlife concerned. However, in areas like W.WA which has no such conditions, the only reason to oppose trailcams is because you don't use them and think no one else should, either.
Personally, I have one trail cam and it's sitting on the shelf. It wouldn't hurt me if they were made illegal to use. But advocating the restriction of anything in legal use because you don't agree with it is selfish. Trad bow hunters advocating the banning of compound bows, single rod fisherman advocating the end of the two-rod option, people who don't use tree stands on public land advocating the end of tree stands on public land - all of these are sportsmen working against each other when we should be far more united working for increased access and privileges. If you don't like trailcams, don't use them and lead by example. Don't try to restrict my hunting experience based on your own opinions or personal dislikes.
Post by: Stein on July 30, 2019, 09:28:28 AM
Hunting has a long history of self restriction both in the name of ethics as well as conservation and many of those rules and regulations have came from within our community as it should be.
Post by: Bango skank on July 30, 2019, 09:31:45 AM
:rolleyes:
Theres a difference between somebody having a different opinion, and somebody thinking their opinion should be the law for everybody else. The "i dont do it so you shouldnt be allowed to" mentality is b.s. i dont like e callers, but you wont hear me saying they should be illegal, and if it came to a vote, id vote against outlawing them. I dont think they fit my personal definition of fair chase, so i choose not to use them. But i dont want to stop you.
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 30, 2019, 09:40:48 AM
As technology comes to age, our community needs to address it. Drones are a good example, many states have made those illegal to use while hunting and I don't think that is selfish at all. That would have lead to a complete circus as well as incredibly bad attention to hunting in general.
Hunting has a long history of self restriction both in the name of ethics as well as conservation and many of those rules and regulations have came from within our community as it should be.
Drones aren't legal for hunting or scouting. It's considered wildlife harassment. There's no issue there. If you have an ethical problem with a legal hunting practice, don't do it and set the example. By all means, have the conversation with other hunters, but understand that your viewpoint isn't the only one. We really need to be unified regarding legal hunting practices. This society has become a me, me, me culture and sportsmen are sometimes no different. If we disagree with someone else's politics, we won't listen to another point of view. Ours is the only correct opinion. This kind of divisiveness is harmful to our sporting life. If we can't agree on supporting each other's legal practices, we're certainly going to have little chance of gaining the support or the other 96%+ of the population who doesn't hunt when it's crunch time on something like hounds or baiting.
Post by: Stein on July 30, 2019, 09:44:33 AM
Post by: Rob on July 30, 2019, 09:45:55 AM
:rolleyes:
Theres a difference between somebody having a different opinion, and somebody thinking their opinion should be the law for everybody else. The "i dont do it so you shouldnt be allowed to" mentality is b.s. i dont like e callers, but you wont hear me saying they should be illegal, and if it came to a vote, id vote against outlawing them. I dont think they fit my personal definition of fair chase, so i choose not to use them. But i dont want to stop you.
Could not agree more. The "I don't like it so it should be illegal" is a large contributing factor in how we lost bait hunting and hound hunting in this state....
We as a hunting community need to differentiate between supporting legislature that impacts sustainable wildlife populations, and supporting legislature that makes people feel better...
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 30, 2019, 09:49:24 AM
Hunting with drones was legal until they were outlawed. My point is you could make the same argument about drones as you can for cameras. I don't take the position that we need to be unified and be against any new regulation.
Why not oppose any muzzle loader except flintlocks? Why not oppose compound bows or ARs for hunting, or camouflage clothing, or the use of any electronics like GPSs or range finders? What about the use of bicycles for hunting? Trailcams are just one example.
Post by: bobcat on July 30, 2019, 09:56:55 AM
Hunting with drones was legal until they were outlawed. My point is you could make the same argument about drones as you can for cameras. I don't take the position that we need to be unified and be against any new regulation.
Agree
Post by: Bango skank on July 30, 2019, 10:07:55 AM
Post by: baker5150 on July 30, 2019, 10:36:45 AM
guys checking game cams harass and frighten wildlife, and are controlled in real time by a person who is there. Not the same thing.
:dunno:
I agree though, that drones are much more invasive and not true to Fair chase.
Apples and oranges.
Post by: Bango skank on July 30, 2019, 10:38:24 AM
guys checking game cams harass and frighten wildlife, and are controlled in real time by a person who is there. Not the same thing.
By that logic, so do people going into the woods period. So no scouting allowed whatsoever.
Walking to a cam to check it gives the possibility of spooking an animal that might possibly be nearby.
The entire purpose of the drone is to actively seek out and approach wildlife.
Your arguement is weak.
Post by: dvolmer on July 30, 2019, 10:47:59 AM
Post by: Bango skank on July 30, 2019, 10:51:32 AM
Post by: baker5150 on July 30, 2019, 10:57:51 AM
So youre into long range hunting, but think trail cams should be illegal because the technology gives an unfair advantage. Makes perfect sense. Youre a man of integrity and principle.
You sure are good at dressing down others opinions when the differ from yours. The jabs at the end are sure in good taste. Not much integrity or principle.
Sticking together as a hunting community starts with civility, something you are drastically lacking.
It's these types comments that are ruining this forum.
Post by: Bango skank on July 30, 2019, 10:59:34 AM
So youre into long range hunting, but think trail cams should be illegal because the technology gives an unfair advantage. Makes perfect sense. Youre a man of integrity and principle.
You sure are good at dressing down others opinions when the differ from yours. The jabs at the end are sure in good taste. Not much integrity or principle.
Sticking together as a hunting community starts with civility, something you are drastically lacking.
It's these types comments that are ruining this forum.
Am i dressing down his opinions, or pointing out blatant self serving hypocrisy?
This guy wants to outlaw what he doesnt like, thats not "sticking together as a hunting community."
Post by: bobcat on July 30, 2019, 11:03:19 AM
Wow! Like I said, I bet I would take some slack on my comment. Its not because I don't use it that I think it should be illegal. I just wonder where hunting has been in the past and where it will be going in the future. Im getting older and have witnessed a lot over the past 50 years. We are on the cusp of our technology ruining all that we love. And Im not just talking hunting. Our family relationships, the interaction with friends and neighbors, politics, and everything else we like to do such as sports and hunting. Look what outdoor hunting shows have done to hunting. It has over emphasized trophy hunting and also given ant-hunting people and groups tons of ammo to use against us. We have to be careful with technology and hunting. It has a potential to destroy and or cause serious problems with the sport we love. Everyone's opinion of when it crosses the line is different and I don't think we need to start that argument. Its just my opinion that trail cameras are just a little bit to much. Its my OPINION. I get wrapped up in all of the technical stuff myself. All of the latest technical gadgets, long range shooting fads, and so forth. Once again, its just my OPINION that we are on a slippery slope when it comes to technology and hunting. Soon we will change the name of hunting to harvesting. After that it will all be over. Once again, JUST MY OPINION.
Agree. Good post.
Post by: Woodchuck on July 30, 2019, 11:04:36 AM
At any rate the insults are gonna stop one way or another. :tup:
Post by: Bango skank on July 30, 2019, 11:05:32 AM
So youre into long range hunting, but think trail cams should be illegal because the technology gives an unfair advantage. Makes perfect sense. Youre a man of integrity and principle.
You sure are good at dressing down others opinions when the differ from yours.
Its not even that im good at it. If i find it easy to come up with sound, rational rebuttals, thats just a good indicator that my ideas have some merit to them.
Post by: Bango skank on July 30, 2019, 11:07:09 AM
I actually don't see where he says he is a long range guy, he appears to be against it, the way I read it.
At any rate the insults are gonna stop one way or another. :tup:
He said he gets "wrapped up in" long range shooting fads etc. Sounds to me like hes a long range enthusiast. But maybe im interpreting that wrong.
Post by: baker5150 on July 30, 2019, 11:09:14 AM
So youre into long range hunting, but think trail cams should be illegal because the technology gives an unfair advantage. Makes perfect sense. Youre a man of integrity and principle.
You sure are good at dressing down others opinions when the differ from yours. The jabs at the end are sure in good taste. Not much integrity or principle.
Sticking together as a hunting community starts with civility, something you are drastically lacking.
It's these types comments that are ruining this forum.
Am i dressing down his opinions, or pointing out blatant self serving hypocrisy?
This guy wants to outlaw what he doesnt like, thats not "sticking together as a hunting community."
You've missed the point.
I'll leave you to it.
Post by: Rainier10 on July 30, 2019, 11:10:38 AM
Just checking in.
Keep it civil folks.
Everyone has an opinion no need for personal attacks. Let's stay on topic and discuss both sides of the issue rationally.
Post by: dvolmer on July 30, 2019, 11:11:24 AM
So youre into long range hunting, but think trail cams should be illegal because the technology gives an unfair advantage. Makes perfect sense. Youre a man of integrity and principle.I am not in to long range shooting. 350-400 yards is considered a considerable poke for me and the weather and conditions would have to be close to perfect. I was using the new fad as one of many that is harming hunting (IN MY OPINION)
This forum is for people to discuss ideas, experiences, and opinions when it comes to hunting. Like I mentioned in my above post, the technology is ruining (here it is the internet) our hunting and our relationships. I stated my opinion and some members who disagree want to take personal jabs when they don't agree. You don't have to agree with me but attacking and slandering is not what we need to see here. Just state your opinions and reasoning and that is good enough. We will all learn and be able to take something useful from the forum.
Post by: Woodchuck on July 30, 2019, 11:12:27 AM
The point is that you can have a reasonable discussion without calling in to question people's character and integrity. That has no place here.I actually don't see where he says he is a long range guy, he appears to be against it, the way I read it.
At any rate the insults are gonna stop one way or another. :tup:
He said he gets "wrapped up in" long range shooting fads etc. Sounds to me like hes a long range enthusiast. But maybe im interpreting that wrong.
Post by: Bango skank on July 30, 2019, 11:13:02 AM
Post by: Rainier10 on July 30, 2019, 11:17:51 AM
Back on topic I am all for game cameras but can see why some states are outlawing them on public ground during hunting season. Arizona is not the first and certainly won't be the last. If you are passionate about using them on public land it is important to stay involved in the dialogue and not let them get restricted.
Post by: grundy53 on July 30, 2019, 01:05:58 PM
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Post by: WAcoueshunter on July 30, 2019, 02:23:37 PM
That said, a big driver behind the regs in the Southwest is their use at water holes - imagine a water tank on the Arizona Strip, the only available water for miles, and there are 50+ cameras set up on it. All that activity at the water hole has got to be disruptive to the herd. I can appreciate the need to curb that to some extent. But banning a cam in the middle of the forest? Seems a bit over the top.
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 30, 2019, 03:02:36 PM
Post by: 2MANY on July 30, 2019, 03:06:50 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 30, 2019, 03:35:51 PM
Post by: TheStovePipeKid on July 30, 2019, 03:39:29 PM
Post by: 2MANY on July 30, 2019, 03:56:37 PM
Huh?
Exactly.
Post by: Woodchuck on July 30, 2019, 03:58:46 PM
Well, now that we have settled this issue...Huh?
Exactly.
Post by: Ghost Hunter on July 30, 2019, 04:10:39 PM
Huh?
Glad you got it too. :o :dunno:
Post by: bornhunter on July 30, 2019, 09:28:05 PM
Post by: 2MANY on July 31, 2019, 08:01:50 AM
Be part of the solution folks.
Plant fish!!!
Water deer!!!
Take pictures after the kill.
Make America great again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on July 31, 2019, 08:40:19 AM
Just an observation. By their very nature trailcams are designed to monitor and "scout" without the user even being in the area. The majority of the other "technology advancements" mentioned in in this thread have not eliminated the need for an end user to be present. A long range rifle needs a shooter, high end optics, need an operator, gps, rangefinders, tech clothing, nice boots etc make it more comfortable, arguably more effective, but its requires a person be present. Trailcams CAN provide very important data that would often go unnoticed because the end user cannot constantly monitor X number of locations all the time. Trailcams can solve that.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on July 31, 2019, 08:51:32 AM
I am not against the use of trailcams. But I understand the logic behind restrictions in some areas. Logic. The most overlooked study in schools these days. Seems to be right up there with common sense and bigfoot in the rarity you actually see it.stop it with all that common sense and level headed reasoning :chuckle:
Just an observation. By their very nature trailcams are designed to monitor and "scout" without the user even being in the area. The majority of the other "technology advancements" mentioned in in this thread have not eliminated the need for an end user to be present. A long range rifle needs a shooter, high end optics, need an operator, gps, rangefinders, tech clothing, nice boots etc make it more comfortable, arguably more effective, but its requires a person be present. Trailcams CAN provide very important data that would often go unnoticed because the end user cannot constantly monitor X number of locations all the time. Trailcams can solve that.
Post by: 2MANY on July 31, 2019, 09:16:25 AM
Leave it to the fire fighter.
Post by: Rainier10 on July 31, 2019, 11:25:34 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 31, 2019, 11:43:17 AM
Post by: Ghost Hunter on July 31, 2019, 12:44:48 PM
Post by: vandeman17 on July 31, 2019, 01:06:02 PM
I've got cameras that are not blackop, and the critters frequently alert to them at night. Can you imagine aa big buck coming in to 50 eyes in the dark at a watering hole?
I think when its the only water for miles, they don't give a darn :twocents:
Post by: meatwhack on July 31, 2019, 01:34:04 PM
Post by: Odell on July 31, 2019, 02:09:52 PM