Post by: Quaka Wacka on August 10, 2019, 12:36:27 PM
Post by: Doublelunger on August 10, 2019, 12:41:52 PM
Post by: Quaka Wacka on August 10, 2019, 12:57:50 PM
:tung:
Post by: Dan-o on August 10, 2019, 01:16:40 PM
Good luck working it out.
Post by: Bulldozer77 on August 10, 2019, 01:17:09 PM
Post by: Pegasus on August 10, 2019, 01:28:27 PM
Post by: Widgeondeke on August 10, 2019, 03:02:34 PM
:yike:
Post by: hunter399 on August 10, 2019, 03:11:58 PM
Cause that girl looks like she is not walking miles. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :dunno:
Post by: Threewolves on August 10, 2019, 03:48:53 PM
Doesn't seem like the safest way to tote a handgun..... geez! hope there's not one chambered. :bdid:
A striker fired pistol without a proper holster? Stupid. With safety practices like theirs there is a good chance your hunting situation might be a self-correcting issue. Might accidentally shoot the guy with the holster then accidentally shot her self. Perfect picture of how not to secure a striker fired weapon.
Post by: Crunchy on August 10, 2019, 04:33:00 PM
Post by: Wazukie on August 10, 2019, 04:39:36 PM
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Post by: MtnMuley on August 10, 2019, 04:43:28 PM
Isn't it illegal to do your own clearing in national forest land?
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Clearing out an area to put salt on an alder choked out skid rd constitutes "clearing" on NF land?
Hope those two missed a corner on their way off the mtn that day and are never seen again. :tup:
Post by: Wazukie on August 10, 2019, 04:47:37 PM
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Post by: Naches Sportsman on August 10, 2019, 04:56:35 PM
Isn't it illegal to do your own clearing in national forest land?
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Technically, putting a salt block out is illegal too.
Post by: Quaka Wacka on August 10, 2019, 05:13:34 PM
Isn't it illegal to do your own clearing in national forest land?
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I guess that falls into a LEO definition of clearing. Is it illegal to clear brush around a downed elk to make room to process it? Cut a few limbs to hang some quarters or treestand? Or cleared shooting lanes? Brushed up a blind? Cut some brush to setup a tent? I don’t imagine there are many who haven’t done some or most of these. I guess it depends on how absurd a persons definition of clearing is...
Post by: Quaka Wacka on August 10, 2019, 05:14:53 PM
Isn't it illegal to do your own clearing in national forest land?
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Technically, putting a salt block out is illegal too.
Can you quote this technical source?
Post by: 270Hunter on August 10, 2019, 05:24:37 PM
Post by: meatwhack on August 10, 2019, 05:29:51 PM
Post by: Wazukie on August 10, 2019, 06:09:37 PM
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Post by: KFhunter on August 10, 2019, 06:23:01 PM
It's interesting that one would moan about assumed illegal activity, yet indulge in another. Just my thoughts.
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These two "illegal" activities are nothing alike, chopping a tree so its a 'booby trap' is a crime of turpitude, clearing an area and applying salt does not involve a moral turpitude or intent to harm someone. And I'm still not certain your assertions that it is even a crime is true in either case.
@Quaka Wacka
The way the tree was chopped reminds me of a forestry worker, that is a specific pattern for a specific purpose.
I don't think random people would chop a tree like that.
Post by: Wazukie on August 10, 2019, 06:34:03 PM
As for the cutting of trees from a decommissioned skidder road, well I can tell you that that is pretty much illegal. The salt block, well that could also be illegal because intentionally leaving "trash" in the Forrest is a ticketable offense. I don't know the specific federal code, but I do know of several who have been charged for such offenses.
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Post by: Buckmark on August 10, 2019, 06:35:24 PM
Post by: KFhunter on August 10, 2019, 06:42:23 PM
Illegal is illegal, yet is there absolute proof that it was those in the pictures that cut the tree?
As for the cutting of trees from a decommissioned skidder road, well I can tell you that that is pretty much illegal. The salt block, well that could also be illegal because intentionally leaving "trash" in the Forrest is a ticketable offense. I don't know the specific federal code, but I do know of several who have been charged for such offenses.
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I don't know the specifics of that forest, but it isn't illegal to put salt in most national forest, cattlemen have been doing for years and years.
WDFW allows a bucket worth of bait, so that isn't an issue.
If you assert something is illegal, due diligence would ask that you quote a source unless its obvious. As I said, I'm not sure it is illegal in this case, national forests are a case by case basis.
poaching a live tree is always illegal, so no legal source would be needed on that one (obvious).
We don't know that these people did it, the OP say's it was, so face value here? OP probably has more pictures?
Post by: KFhunter on August 10, 2019, 06:47:15 PM
Can we combine the two threads about the same subject :dunno: mods?
:tup:
Post by: Pegasus on August 10, 2019, 06:55:32 PM
Post by: MtnMuley on August 10, 2019, 07:00:18 PM
Isn't it illegal to do your own clearing in national forest land?
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Technically, putting a salt block out is illegal too.
Can you quote this technical source?
:yeah: Sounds a little like calling the kettle black, huh naches?
Post by: Naches Sportsman on August 10, 2019, 08:01:12 PM
It's in the code of federal regulations. I don't agree with it being illegal either but salt kills the grass and animals will make the area worse and attract invasive weeds. Some areas are anal about people putting salt blocks out.Isn't it illegal to do your own clearing in national forest land?
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Technically, putting a salt block out is illegal too.
Can you quote this technical source?
:yeah: Sounds a little like calling the kettle black, huh naches?
I was called by the LEO that works on my forest and was told that I had a week to remove my salt blocks or he would write me a ticket. A biologist found one of my cameras and reported me.
Post by: Igottanewknee on August 10, 2019, 08:08:51 PM
Post by: Quaka Wacka on August 10, 2019, 08:52:14 PM
I’m quickly reminded why I don’t get online and post much anymore.
Wadukie- I’m sorry your life is so miserable, that this is how you get your kicks. I hope things turn around for you. I know your cousins, best friends, coworkers son in law got a ticket for doing the exact same thing, but one would have to get awfull mouthy with a LEO to get a ticket for cutting back alder on a skidder road. I’m curious what law (specifically) your citing that makes this illegal?
To the mods, combine away. Sorry for the double post, wasn’t sure which category it went in.
KFHunter- I thought the same thing about the cut. It was very intentionally back cut.
As far as salt being illegal, I was unaware that it was an issue. Through the SAR work, I know and chat with the LEOs frequently. When I pull over to chat with them I tell them I’m packing salt and checking cams. I guess I should specifically ask them. I certainly don’t want to be out of compliance or risk a ticket. I imagine it will depend on the circumstances. If I dump a bunch of salt in a grassy meadow or near a stream I would expect complaints. On an old road bed or scraping back a layer of duff and pine needles to ash or pumice isn’t as likely to garner any attention. As with all things common sense still applies. But I still need to check, so thanks for the heads up.
Thanks to all those who contributed constructive input to the discussion.
Post by: Wazukie on August 10, 2019, 09:59:23 PM
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Post by: Jake Dogfish on August 11, 2019, 05:06:29 AM
How do you know it’s the people pictured who mutilated the tree?
If they already knew they were on camera it seems like a dumb thing to do.
Post by: duckmen1 on August 11, 2019, 05:30:22 AM
Leave my trees alone. :chuckle:
I would have to guess that's who did it. Even if they new they were on camera. People can be that stupid. And generally are. At least when I encounter people. Although it is nice to have a change occasionally and encounter a level headed person.
Post by: Jellymon on August 11, 2019, 05:39:53 AM
Post by: Bucks2Ducks on August 11, 2019, 09:04:55 AM
Post by: Jason on August 11, 2019, 09:36:16 AM
I don't think he personally attacked you? Just questioned why he even posted on here. Put yourself in his situation, you wouldn't be upset? When you say "It's interesting that one would moan about assumed illegal activity, yet indulge in another", that's the type of comment that you were clearly trying to get a argument going. You really think him putting salt out is the same as throwing a truck full of tires into the woods, and clearing some brush out of an overgrown skid road is the same as cutting down a tree? If that's the case 90% of the hunters on here need a ticket.:yeah: No more clearing trails.
Post by: TheStovePipeKid on August 11, 2019, 09:44:46 AM
If that's the case 90% of the hunters on here need a ticket.
I'd say that's pretty accurate. Most hunters carry snips or some other form of pruning device to help tend to nature's garden while out hunting.
Post by: treefarmer on August 11, 2019, 09:45:53 AM
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Post by: Quaka Wacka on August 11, 2019, 12:23:43 PM
Also to clarify baiting rules, I checked and it’s 10gal not 5 gal max.
Post by: KFhunter on August 11, 2019, 12:55:06 PM
I don't think he personally attacked you? Just questioned why he even posted on here. Put yourself in his situation, you wouldn't be upset? When you say "It's interesting that one would moan about assumed illegal activity, yet indulge in another", that's the type of comment that you were clearly trying to get a argument going. You really think him putting salt out is the same as throwing a truck full of tires into the woods, and clearing some brush out of an overgrown skid road is the same as cutting down a tree? If that's the case 90% of the hunters on here need a ticket.
:yeah:
Post by: KFhunter on August 11, 2019, 01:04:33 PM
I just can’t get over how strange that cut is in that tree? Can’t imagine they were tying to sabotage you or set a trap as you couldn’t possibly miss that? Maybe they were attempting to fall it and with their obvious inexperienced injured themselves and left? Also the brush pile appears to have a chunk that was cut with a chainsaw or at least a handsaw. Why not use that to fall the tree? Anyways I don’t know them and please keep that crazy ness on that side of the GiffordAnd incredibly stupid. If someone got hurt trying to get back their camera, the liability and criminal aspect. Even if the op tried to chop the tree down to get the camera and it fell stupid due to the dangerous cuts in it.
Dumb Dumb Dumb
And his face is on camera (so he should assume) and did it anyways! Not hard to fathom LE could find who it was and build a manslaughter case or worse if the op got killed by the tree
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Post by: Threewolves on August 12, 2019, 09:00:58 AM
NOTE: Comic relief. I was pulling a sheet of clean paper out of the trash just to make a temporary note and a buddy says "What are you doing?" I said "Trying to save a tree." He said "Why? If you kill one tree they are going to plant five more."
Post by: Quaka Wacka on August 18, 2019, 10:56:40 PM
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