Post by: Bob33 on August 28, 2019, 08:21:42 AM
Post by: ctwiggs1 on August 28, 2019, 09:19:28 AM
Post by: headshot5 on August 28, 2019, 09:40:57 AM
Post by: 2MANY on August 28, 2019, 10:18:05 AM
Post by: Bob33 on August 28, 2019, 10:25:37 AM
Post by: Henrydog on August 28, 2019, 10:26:38 AM
Post by: 2MANY on August 28, 2019, 10:29:56 AM
Honestly it's just a waste of time as they do what they want anyway.
Pathetic, liberal, lack of management at it's finest.
Post by: Bob33 on August 28, 2019, 10:30:42 AM
I really wonder if the State is faking this so they don't have to take public comment. It is kind of sad this is the first thing that comes to mindThere have been death threats in the past. The FBI is currently involved. I would consider that credible evidence that risk exists.
Post by: 2MANY on August 28, 2019, 10:52:36 AM
Weak and lame.
Post by: JJB11B on August 28, 2019, 10:53:41 AM
seems like the leftists like to threaten violence constantly, looking at almost all of the recent shootings have been carried out by leftistsI really wonder if the State is faking this so they don't have to take public comment. It is kind of sad this is the first thing that comes to mindThere have been death threats in the past. The FBI is currently involved. I would consider that credible evidence that risk exists.
Post by: 2MANY on August 28, 2019, 10:57:03 AM
String em up.
Post by: buckfvr on August 28, 2019, 12:31:18 PM
The people of north east Wa. have plenty to talk about, and most of it is damning. There are those up here who believe the pro propoganda machine, but plenty who know better.
Post by: jasnt on August 28, 2019, 06:32:13 PM
http://wdfw.commentinput.com/?id=C8rSQ
Post by: bornhunter on August 28, 2019, 06:49:40 PM
Post by: jasnt on August 28, 2019, 07:06:16 PM
Post by: Birdgetter on August 28, 2019, 07:15:23 PM
Post by: KFhunter on August 28, 2019, 07:33:52 PM
WDFW is labeling the entire east side of the state as enemies of the state to be feared, but it isn't true.
Can anyone point to anywhere or any circumstance where violence was threatened or acted upon?
Post by: Rimrock hunter on August 28, 2019, 08:15:37 PM
Post by: ribka on August 28, 2019, 08:48:18 PM
no one would rough up anyone in Colville, it's a sham and a lie.
WDFW is labeling the entire east side of the state as enemies of the state to be feared, but it isn't true.
Can anyone point to anywhere or any circumstance where violence was threatened or acted upon?
yep - a weasel tactic by the anti hunting WDFW
They can now claim they tried but received zero input for the east side residents and can continue with more wolf introduction.
We all know the violence and threats are perpetrated by anti hunting west siders
Where is Chase and the eco terrorist Mitch Friedman and conservation NW on this? I thought they supported hunters :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
:chuckle: :chuckle:
what a sham this has become
Post by: ribka on August 28, 2019, 08:51:04 PM
Make your opinion known!
http://wdfw.commentinput.com/?id=C8rSQ
WDFW's server has been down so no submitting comments. Big surprise and another scam and lies by WDFW
Maybe bigtex can chime in here
Post by: Bob33 on August 28, 2019, 09:01:58 PM
no one would rough up anyone in Colville, it's a sham and a lie.
WDFW is labeling the entire east side of the state as enemies of the state to be feared, but it isn't true.
Can anyone point to anywhere or any circumstance where violence was threatened or acted upon?
In Ferry County, where the state shot wolves, Sheriff Ray Maycumber said in an interview that phone calls, emails, Internet postings and second-hand reports raised concerns. “We heard some pretty violent rhetoric,” he said.
https://www.capitalpress.com/state/washington/wdfw-cites-threats-as-reason-to-tighten-release-of-wolf/article_547f0d4f-1b7b-528c-8b44-03666eb2fd03.html (https://www.capitalpress.com/state/washington/wdfw-cites-threats-as-reason-to-tighten-release-of-wolf/article_547f0d4f-1b7b-528c-8b44-03666eb2fd03.html)
Post by: jasnt on August 28, 2019, 09:04:58 PM
works for meMake your opinion known!
http://wdfw.commentinput.com/?id=C8rSQ
WDFW's server has been down so no submitting comments. Big surprise and another scam and lies by WDFW
Maybe bigtex can chime in here
Post by: bornhunter on August 28, 2019, 09:16:33 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on August 28, 2019, 09:36:08 PM
The story was run internationally. The articles I saw were along the lines of 'big, bad state wiping out a woof pack just trying to survive'. They were definitely designed to appeal to the antis, long known to be overly emotional.no one would rough up anyone in Colville, it's a sham and a lie.
WDFW is labeling the entire east side of the state as enemies of the state to be feared, but it isn't true.
Can anyone point to anywhere or any circumstance where violence was threatened or acted upon?
In Ferry County, where the state shot wolves, Sheriff Ray Maycumber said in an interview that phone calls, emails, Internet postings and second-hand reports raised concerns. “We heard some pretty violent rhetoric,” he said.
https://www.capitalpress.com/state/washington/wdfw-cites-threats-as-reason-to-tighten-release-of-wolf/article_547f0d4f-1b7b-528c-8b44-03666eb2fd03.html (https://www.capitalpress.com/state/washington/wdfw-cites-threats-as-reason-to-tighten-release-of-wolf/article_547f0d4f-1b7b-528c-8b44-03666eb2fd03.html)
Post by: Bango skank on August 28, 2019, 09:52:11 PM
WDFW is also a Law Enforcement agency. Never heard of a LEA cancelling a meeting because of some threats?
Im sure theyre more than happy to have this excuse to cancel the meetings. At meetings held locally over here, they would be hearing primarily from northeast residents. An online meeting, our voices will be drowned out by the wolf lovers. And its a lot eadier to censor people online than in person.
Post by: KFhunter on August 28, 2019, 10:13:34 PM
no one would rough up anyone in Colville, it's a sham and a lie.
WDFW is labeling the entire east side of the state as enemies of the state to be feared, but it isn't true.
Can anyone point to anywhere or any circumstance where violence was threatened or acted upon?
In Ferry County, where the state shot wolves, Sheriff Ray Maycumber said in an interview that phone calls, emails, Internet postings and second-hand reports raised concerns. “We heard some pretty violent rhetoric,” he said.
https://www.capitalpress.com/state/washington/wdfw-cites-threats-as-reason-to-tighten-release-of-wolf/article_547f0d4f-1b7b-528c-8b44-03666eb2fd03.html (https://www.capitalpress.com/state/washington/wdfw-cites-threats-as-reason-to-tighten-release-of-wolf/article_547f0d4f-1b7b-528c-8b44-03666eb2fd03.html)
It's being spun as if we're the ones (eastern WA) doing the threatening on this side of the state when it is not.
Maycumber wanted to go to Seattle to arrest someone for uttering threats against ranchers here in E WA.
This whole thing is a lie, the ranchers are not threatening WDFW staff, as this story is being spun.
Post by: bigtex on August 28, 2019, 10:53:05 PM
WDFW is also a Law Enforcement agency. Never heard of a LEA cancelling a meeting because of some threats?Not quite the same thing.
There's been many times where cities or counties had to cancel meetings because of threats or protests, well each of those entities have their Sheriff's Office and Police Departments, yet they still cancel the meeting. This wasn't the Enforcement Program of WDFW having a meeting, this was WDFW as a whole (similar to city/county agency meeting) having a meeting.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on August 29, 2019, 05:34:29 AM
Post by: nwwanderer on August 29, 2019, 06:43:17 AM
Post by: timberfaller on August 29, 2019, 07:21:59 AM
The very first meeting to take place over the results of putting the listing regs in place was at Pangborn airport in East Wenatchee. The Feds called ALL law enforcement agency heads to meet there. Basis of the meeting was, "how to deal with the egregious people of the Methow Valley". Still have the letter.
There is an ole saying, "Fear the government that fears its people" :yike:
Post by: bornhunter on August 29, 2019, 08:46:17 AM
WDFW is also a Law Enforcement agency. Never heard of a LEA cancelling a meeting because of some threats?Not quite the same thing.
There's been many times where cities or counties had to cancel meetings because of threats or protests, well each of those entities have their Sheriff's Office and Police Departments, yet they still cancel the meeting. This wasn't the Enforcement Program of WDFW having a meeting, this was WDFW as a whole (similar to city/county agency meeting) having a meeting.
Right. I was just thinking they have a ton if enforcement people so have a bunch of them as well as a few Deputies and throw in some State Troopers and have the meeting. Somebody gets outta line deal with them but dont cancel the meeting. The threat makers just won.
Post by: HighlandLofts on August 29, 2019, 05:43:41 PM
Post by: Bango skank on August 29, 2019, 05:47:31 PM
The power to be that runs this State are an exact duplicate oy the German Nazi Regime.
You clearly havent read anything about the nazi party.
Post by: STARVATION on August 29, 2019, 10:14:57 PM
The power to be that runs this State are an exact duplicate oy the German Nazi Regime.
While I have a extreme dislike for those who govern this state and also one whom lost all their relatives in Denmark to the Nazi regime I must say that is stupidest statement made on this forum to date.
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on August 30, 2019, 12:26:47 PM
I'm not sure this was the "leftists"....seems like the leftists like to threaten violence constantly, looking at almost all of the recent shootings have been carried out by leftistsI really wonder if the State is faking this so they don't have to take public comment. It is kind of sad this is the first thing that comes to mindThere have been death threats in the past. The FBI is currently involved. I would consider that credible evidence that risk exists.
Post by: ribka on August 30, 2019, 12:38:42 PM
I'm not sure this was the "leftists"....seems like the leftists like to threaten violence constantly, looking at almost all of the recent shootings have been carried out by leftistsI really wonder if the State is faking this so they don't have to take public comment. It is kind of sad this is the first thing that comes to mindThere have been death threats in the past. The FBI is currently involved. I would consider that credible evidence that risk exists.
I think Conservation NW founder Mitch Friedman , the self admitted eco terrorists and crazy left wing wolf advocate, would disagree with you.
Anti hunting left wing crazy loony tunes like Mr Friedman have always been very clear they would achieve their objectives by any means possible including violence and destruction of private property and destroying rural ranchers
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on August 30, 2019, 12:39:25 PM
Post by: ribka on August 30, 2019, 12:44:26 PM
I think you better do your homework before you assume
I guess founding and running a group for over a decade on the FBI terrorist watch list would not be enough evidence for the crazy cultists
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on August 30, 2019, 12:51:11 PM
Post by: KFhunter on August 30, 2019, 01:58:04 PM
CNW is not the group that got the meetings cancelled. Of you have a shred of evidence otherwise feel free to share that.... I know you're a one trick pony, but you're going to have to start looking for another culprit
speaking of evidence.
What evidence do you have to suggest its ranchers or others here in EWA who are threatening WDFW staff with violence?
I'm not sure this was the "leftists"....seems like the leftists like to threaten violence constantly, looking at almost all of the recent shootings have been carried out by leftistsI really wonder if the State is faking this so they don't have to take public comment. It is kind of sad this is the first thing that comes to mindThere have been death threats in the past. The FBI is currently involved. I would consider that credible evidence that risk exists.
I've not seen or heard anyone on FB or any other social media who are threatening the safety and welfare of WDFW staff.
What I HAVE seen is the leftist pro-wolf huggers threatening the lives of ranchers, their cattle and other livestock, and other people who are seeking relief from predators!
Post by: idahohuntr on August 30, 2019, 02:20:29 PM
Then, the nut jobs from BOTH sides of the wolf debates could endlessly screech their misinformation at each other in some remote island while everyone else engaged in reasonable discussion informed by facts and logic.
Ahhhh....to dream :chuckle:
Post by: KFhunter on August 30, 2019, 02:34:27 PM
I wish they would hold these meetings in a large shipping container. Once we got all the crazies inside - lock the door and put them on a barge headed for some distant location.
Then, the nut jobs from BOTH sides of the wolf debates could endlessly screech their misinformation at each other in some remote island while everyone else engaged in reasonable discussion informed by facts and logic.
Ahhhh....to dream :chuckle:
I wouldn't wish that on you.
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on August 30, 2019, 03:34:01 PM
Post by: KFhunter on August 30, 2019, 03:47:58 PM
Now I can't blame WDFW for not having a meeting if that is indeed the case, and I have no reason to doubt you, although we disagree on many things you've always been very honest and I respect that a great deal.
Thanks WAcoyotehunter :tup:
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on August 30, 2019, 04:10:31 PM
Post by: Special T on August 30, 2019, 04:13:15 PM
I don't think there was any threats to the staff, although I could be wrong about that. When the militia in Stevens county said they were going to show up well-armed for the meeting the department had the option of canceling that meeting or canceling them all across the state, obviously they chose the latter.
This is either a misdirection or you are not as well connected as you used to be.
Post by: Bango skank on August 30, 2019, 04:13:40 PM
No sweat. I still think the state should have held the rest of the meetings.
I disagree. Then public input would have been a lot more one sided. Cancel the stevens county meeting and not the others? Hell no.
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on August 30, 2019, 04:31:27 PM
that's a fair point, but on the other side of the coin should normal folks be quieted by a bunch of gun-carrying knuckleheads in Northeast Washington? Either way you wouldn't be getting an accurate cross sectionNo sweat. I still think the state should have held the rest of the meetings.
I disagree. Then public input would have been a lot more one sided. Cancel the stevens county meeting and not the others? Hell no.
Post by: Bango skank on August 30, 2019, 04:46:16 PM
that's a fair point, but on the other side of the coin should normal folks be quieted by a bunch of gun-carrying knuckleheads in Northeast Washington? Either way you wouldn't be getting an accurate cross sectionNo sweat. I still think the state should have held the rest of the meetings.
I disagree. Then public input would have been a lot more one sided. Cancel the stevens county meeting and not the others? Hell no.
Yeah, i guess theres no real good solutions when people try to disrupt what should be a civilized public discussion. Its just a damn shame we cant deal with this whole mess reasonably. I view the entire wolf program as a disaster, and i would sure like to see some progress get made.
Post by: jackelope on August 30, 2019, 07:49:11 PM
I don't think there was any threats to the staff, although I could be wrong about that. When the militia in Stevens county said they were going to show up well-armed for the meeting the department had the option of canceling that meeting or canceling them all across the state, obviously they chose the latter.
This is either a misdirection or you are not as well connected as you used to be.
Please expand on your theory of intended misdirection.
Post by: Dan-o on August 30, 2019, 07:50:02 PM
that's a fair point, but on the other side of the coin should normal folks be quieted by a bunch of gun-carrying knuckleheads in Northeast Washington? Either way you wouldn't be getting an accurate cross sectionNo sweat. I still think the state should have held the rest of the meetings.
I disagree. Then public input would have been a lot more one sided. Cancel the stevens county meeting and not the others? Hell no.
Is that really how you see the East side crowd who would care enough to go to the meeting?
Regardless, I hate to see the meetings cancelled.
Feels like the bullies win.
Post by: jackelope on August 30, 2019, 07:50:53 PM
that's a fair point, but on the other side of the coin should normal folks be quieted by a bunch of gun-carrying knuckleheads in Northeast Washington? Either way you wouldn't be getting an accurate cross sectionNo sweat. I still think the state should have held the rest of the meetings.
I disagree. Then public input would have been a lot more one sided. Cancel the stevens county meeting and not the others? Hell no.
Is that really how you see the East side crowd who would care enough to go to the meeting?
I think he’s talking about the militia from Stevens county. Not all of NE WA. Scroll up, Dan.
Post by: Bango skank on August 30, 2019, 07:54:33 PM
that's a fair point, but on the other side of the coin should normal folks be quieted by a bunch of gun-carrying knuckleheads in Northeast Washington? Either way you wouldn't be getting an accurate cross sectionNo sweat. I still think the state should have held the rest of the meetings.
I disagree. Then public input would have been a lot more one sided. Cancel the stevens county meeting and not the others? Hell no.
Is that really how you see the East side crowd who would care enough to go to the meeting?
Regardless, I hate to see the meetings cancelled.
Feels like the bullies win.
Id have to say a group of people announcing that they intend to show up armed certainly are knuckleheads. Its no surprise they canceled the meeting, what did they expect? If they were half smart they would have just showed up, preferrably concealed carrying. But no, they had to make an announcement before hand that a group of armed men were coming. Stupid. Just CC and keep your mouth shut about it. Thats what everybody else does, but i guess some people just cant help but be *censored* soldier larpers.
Post by: Dan-o on August 30, 2019, 08:15:47 PM
Knuckleheads.
Post by: jackelope on August 30, 2019, 08:25:30 PM
:chuckle:
Post by: KFhunter on August 30, 2019, 08:40:19 PM
Post by: Special T on September 05, 2019, 02:47:01 PM
Could this be why the "Militia" said they were going to show up to the meeting?
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on September 05, 2019, 03:27:52 PM
Post by: KFhunter on September 05, 2019, 05:08:35 PM
Maybe, I don't know. I think it's strange that they haven't been able to find any conclusive evidence that cattle are actually being shot? Wouldn't a metal detector pick up any bullet fragments and couldn't a necropsy help them discover a bullet hole?
that's been done and verified
Post by: Special T on September 05, 2019, 06:09:45 PM
We are left with 2 options on threats
It is coming from the local/ranching community, or the Extreme Green types.
I have a hard time thinking it is the locals. They are making lots of political noise, and Now have the ability to encourage the Colville Tribal members manage without limits. Aside from a local wacking a wolf i dont see the incentive, especially since the WDFW said they dont fear for the Staff.
The Extreme Green types have performed all manner of eco terrorism in Washington in the past. Spiking trees, wrecking equipment and the like. Shooting cows would likely fit past actions of "retribution". Taking it to the next level making threats against people fits this groups is a big step.
So Im left with the question which group benift would assaulting or shooting a person, and who would it hurt the most?
The folks in the NE are finally starting to get some traction. Since I dont live there my perception may be wrong. We have a director that is actually following the wolf agreement and The Colville have unshackled its members on the N half.
Post by: buckfvr on September 05, 2019, 06:40:08 PM
Moving forward with a meeting that could be disrupted is a waste of everyones time......
Screening out the non-resident pro wolfies should be on top of wdfw's list, as they should let this be settled by those affected the most.
We just need aggressive management of all our predators without interferance from rainbow flag waving out of state screw balls on top of our own.
Post by: ipkus on September 05, 2019, 06:59:12 PM
Post by: KFhunter on September 05, 2019, 07:12:15 PM
perhaps My Google Fu is lacking but i didnt find a statement where the "Armed Militia" planned to attend the meetings... is it in a different thread on here?
We are left with 2 options on threats
It is coming from the local/ranching community, or the Extreme Green types.
I have a hard time thinking it is the locals. They are making lots of political noise, and Now have the ability to encourage the Colville Tribal members manage without limits. Aside from a local wacking a wolf i dont see the incentive, especially since the WDFW said they dont fear for the Staff.
The Extreme Green types have performed all manner of eco terrorism in Washington in the past. Spiking trees, wrecking equipment and the like. Shooting cows would likely fit past actions of "retribution". Taking it to the next level making threats against people fits this groups is a big step.
So Im left with the question which group benift would assaulting or shooting a person, and who would it hurt the most?
The folks in the NE are finally starting to get some traction. Since I dont live there my perception may be wrong. We have a director that is actually following the wolf agreement and The Colville have unshackled its members on the N half.
My take, or guess rather:
1) The militia perhaps was planning to attend the meetings to "keep the local ranchers safe from the wolf huggers" who've left death threats on their voice mail and online, which is true. Personally I don't think there's any credible threat from the wolf huggers as they spout off online or leave hateful voicemail...but who knows
2) The militia I think is perhaps is sending the message WDFW might be a threat as well and are playing off this whole "call the sheriff first" thing as no one around here trusts WDFW, so if I were WDFW I'd take that as a veiled threat in of itself, in the last meetings WDFW was protrayed as bullies to the public, which it might be true I dunno..I haven't had a predator issue myself to see how they handle it.
3) Someone is shooting cattle, so perhaps the militia is sending a message there too of some sort.
This goes back to the Bundy deal, perhaps before that but the Bundy deal was a rally cry to a LOT of people. Long before Bundy there was a birchers too. I been seeing a lot of John Birch posters.
I myself do not belong to any militia or group of that nature, so this is just my take on it. If anyone from the militia in Stevens CO want to clarify or correct me feel free to do so!
This is just my personal :twocents: I put together from FB posts, some people I suspect belong to the militia, and reactions from the Sheriff and others closely involved I think I'm pretty dang close to the mark here.
Post by: buckfvr on September 05, 2019, 07:12:30 PM
Post by: Pegasus on September 05, 2019, 07:41:08 PM
Post by: idahohuntr on September 06, 2019, 02:54:16 PM
This article is almost ten years old but still applies to today's situation in Washington State. Note that no one has gone to jail yet. http://www.bowhunting.net/artman/publish/Lobo_Watch/How_Legal_Was_The_Introduction_Of_Canadian_Wolves_Into_The_Northern_Rockies_printer.shtmlKind of makes a rational person wonder about the credibility of those alleging these financial crimes.
Post by: goldenhtr on September 06, 2019, 03:59:04 PM
This article is almost ten years old but still applies to today's situation in Washington State. Note that no one has gone to jail yet. http://www.bowhunting.net/artman/publish/Lobo_Watch/How_Legal_Was_The_Introduction_Of_Canadian_Wolves_Into_The_Northern_Rockies_printer.shtmlKind of makes a rational person wonder about the credibility of those alleging these financial crimes.
Are you saying that you have better knowledge than a first person account? ie: Mr. Beers
Or are you calling him a Liar? :dunno:
We all know that our government is nothing but a good old boys/girls club. And I believe that all newly elected officials are brought into line asap buy such a group, if they want to get assigned to any committees. Says in the article that payoff money was taken, that's disappointing for sure. :bash: BUT this was during the Clinton Adm. So buy not playing ball you could find your self committing suicide buy bullet to the back of your head. :yike: