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Equipment & Gear => Guns and Ammo => Topic started by: Jason on September 18, 2019, 06:54:45 PM
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Life started out as a stainless Savage 116 30.06 in JeffRaines gun safe until February 2019, then I bought it. Not sure what I wanted to do with it at first because I’m not a fan of the 30.06 cartridge. Then after talking Yorke and Jasnt I decided I wanted to build a 338-375 Ruger for my upcoming Moose hunt. Rifle looked something like this.
(Not my photos because I forgot to take one).
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Being on a budget I decided to try sourcing all the parts online through all the various resources for gun parts. I sold the Barrel, mag and stock to a fellow member in Vancouver for $100.
The first thing I found for my build was a HS Precision stock of long range shooting, bonus was the 3.850 bottom metal that was on the stock.
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I found a X-Caliber 338 1-9 twist 28” barrel on another forum. At this point I’m quickly realizing that I’m going away from building a lighter weight hunting rifle :DOH:
After doing lots of googling about the 338-375 I found a guy selling a PTG reamer and go gauge for $100 I couldn’t pass that up even knowing Yorke was going to lend me his.
After the barrel sat on my bench for three months I sent it to a gun builder in the Midwest who threaded it for my Savage small shank, chambered it and threaded the muzzle 5/8x24. And back to my door in less than two weeks. Barrel finished at 27” and .790 at the muzzle.
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Looking forward to your results
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One issue I had to deal with is this action was factory built as a bottom bolt release. I wasn’t a fan of this. I was able to source online the sear that is used in the top bolt release actions. Everything else was identical. My biggest issue was that this action did not have the milled flat area to use this sear. So after more google searching I found that other guys would just bend the new sear to fit in between the action and the stock. I’m the type of person who doesn’t like to do things half ash. Picture of stock action.
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I enlisted the help of a friend to mill out the action to use the new sear/bolt release.
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I built a barrel vise and an action wrench. I used my friends lathe to get the holes close to the right size.
The bolt lugs were matched up with action lugs pretty well from the factory. I didn't have much lapping to do to them. After the lapping I polished the lugs.
Next was to assemble and set the head spacing. That was pretty easy for the most part, other than second guessing myself a few times.
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As parts continued coming in I was left with the toughest decision of the build, what color to Duracoat the action and barrel? After weeks of adding and subtracting items from my Duracoat cart I settled on Vortex Stealth Shadow. Warne steel scope base, Badger USMC Rings 34mm, MBM Beast 4 port brake.
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In order to Duracoat stainless and have it stick well Duracoat advised me to blast it with 120 grit or finer. Off to harbor freight I went and picked up a blast cabinet.
Now how the heck am I going to fit a 36” long barreled action in a 30” wide cabinet? (Not my picture but same cabinet).
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After spending an hour in Home Depot I left with some plumbing parts and an idea I was hoping would work (you won’t find this on google, until now).
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Awesome, Thanks for all the pics and details!
How do you like that Steiner?
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Awesome, Thanks for all the pics and details!
How do you like that Steiner?
Glass is nice, but I have yet to get out and really use it.
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Sand blasting went very well.
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I picked up a threaded bolt handle a tactical knob from. Glades Armory.
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After blasting everything that was to be duracoated now time for the painting. I have never ever painted anything that required spray gun. So I watched a lot of YouTube videos. The Duracoat went on really good. I even surprised myself.
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Now that painting is done it’s time to get the action bedded in the stock. I have done about five bedding jobs over the years so this was pretty easy.
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I like that Duracote color, that looks is pretty cool.
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I like that Duracote color, that looks is pretty cool.
I wasn't to sure how it was going to look because there is very few pictures of it on any rifles. Turned out as I hoped it would.
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Reminds me of chocolate :EAT:
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Machine work is a talent I always admired and loved to watch or see the results, just never got around to learning myself.
I regret that and not learning how to weld, correctly, LOL.
Keep the pics coming, this is a cool build!
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Machine work is a talent I always admired and loved to watch or see the results, just never got around to learning myself.
I regret that and not learning how to weld, correctly, LOL.
Keep the pics coming, this is a cool build!
I took machining in high school. Luckily I have two friends that are machinists, we all took the same classes in high school. One of them owns his own company after working in Nike’s machine shop in Portland for 20yrs, he likes to tell me he’ll get my parts done, but in reality he will have them finished in 10yrs. The other friend use to be a machinist and still dabbles in his garage. I can use his equipment whenever I need to.
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Reminds me of chocolate :EAT:
Is that code for sweet build? If so thanks!
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Next is to prep and then paint the stock. I used the sponge camo method. My daughter was kinda directing this phase. We used 5 or 6 different colors and flat clear coat.
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Looks great. Nice job
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Looks great. Nice job
Thanks Jasnt! :tup:
But that bolt sticks out like a sore thumb. I can’t run it with that ugly thing.
So I sent the bolt body to Dan at Darkeagle Custom in NY. Dan was great to work with and had my bolt back to me in less than two weeks.
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That is a really great looking rifle.
Congrats.
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With the bolt installed next was to bed the scope rail and mount the scope.
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I'm still waiting for my bipod rail, bipod and scope level to show up.
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That turned out great! That's way better than my usual Savage build which involves spinning a barrel on while I'm out in the woods, pulling a stock off a different gun I haven't shot for a while, looking at the bedding and deciding that it's close enough, then shooting it 3 times and getting bored. :chuckle:
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That is a really great looking rifle.
Congrats.
Indeed
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That is a really great looking rifle.
Congrats.
Indeed
Thanks guys.
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I was able to get 3 rounds off today. 74.5gn of H4350 250gn Accubonds, average speed of 2889. Wasn't really trying to get groups on paper, mainly just shooting to get through the break-in process and record some speeds. Recoil feels like a 243. Primers look great and bolt lift was easy.
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What does the weight come out to now that its all put together?
Super nice rifle you've built yourself there. I am working on something similar this winter, you may have just swayed me from the chassis I was going to run, back to finding a used stock and a diy paintjob. That thing looks amazing!
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What does the weight come out to now that its all put together?
Super nice rifle you've built yourself there. I am working on something similar this winter, you may have just swayed me from the chassis I was going to run, back to finding a used stock and a diy paintjob. That thing looks amazing!
Thanks :tup: it turned out better than I could have hoped.
Weight is right at 14.5lbs with mag and sling. My bipod will probably take it over 15 lbs. like I said in my first couple posts I was originally going to build a hunting rifle, but obviously with the heavier stock, bull barrel, heavy scope, steel base and rings, 1/2lb muzzle brake. It all adds up :yike: ..lol
I saved probably $2000 by searching the forums. Some stuff I bought new. You could save even more building off a Rem 700 platform, there’s a lot more parts out there.
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I already have the savage donor, probably stick to using that because it would be worthless if I don't use it as a donor.
my number has been 12#'s in my head, but I think that may be hard to do with the barrel profile that I want.
Excited to keep following along and seeing how this thing ends up!
thanks for the info :tup:
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I already have the savage donor, probably stick to using that because it would be worthless if I don't use it as a donor.
my number has been 12#'s in my head, but I think that may be hard to do with the barrel profile that I want.
Excited to keep following along and seeing how this thing ends up!
thanks for the info :tup:
I have no regrets with using the savage action, they also have very long mag and ejection ports. You could easily stay around 12lbs if you wanted to. My thought was why have a slim barrel for target shooting.
Side by side with my Ruger M77 MKII.
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Jason, can you measure the distance from the rear action screw hole to the back of the mag well cutout? That picture reminded me that I've got an old flat back Savage long action that I want to use for something, but the old actions had a smaller mag well cutout. I just need to figure out how far to open it up with the Dremel. :chuckle:
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Jason, can you measure the distance from the rear action screw hole to the back of the mag well cutout? That picture reminded me that I've got an old flat back Savage long action that I want to use for something, but the old actions had a smaller mag well cutout. I just need to figure out how far to open it up with the Dremel. :chuckle:
Yes, I will message you when I get that measurement for you.
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Now that hunting season has come and gone its time to get back to shooting and load development. Loaded up some 250gr Accubonds.
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When is the moose hunt? That rifle looks far different then my all stock Savage M16. (300WSM). :chuckle:
Good job Jason.
Elksnout
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I like everything about your rifle. I’ve done 4 builds off of savage actions now and they all shoot crazy good. I’m sure yours will too. I like the bolt body work. Might have to send a couple bolts off to that guy.
Looking forward to following along as you develop loads.
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I like everything about your rifle. I’ve done 4 builds off of savage actions now and they all shoot crazy good. I’m sure yours will too. I like the bolt body work. Might have to send a couple bolts off to that guy.
Looking forward to following along as you develop loads.
It’s been a fun build. It was $100 for the bolt work at Dark Eagle. dan@darkeaglecustom.com. He can supply the bolt body for extra charge if you don’t want to send him yours.
When is the moose hunt? That rifle looks far different then my all stock Savage M16. (300WSM). :chuckle:
Good job Jason.
Elksnout
Moose hunt came and gone in Early October.
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:tup: thanks for the info
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Atlas Cal bipod and B & T Industries BT15 3.35" 1913 picatinny bipod rail are finally installed.
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Today was a great day to be at the range testing some loads.
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Loads development as follows, 5 shot strings at 100yds.
H4350 with 250 Accubonds
76.0gr avg speed 2888fps, 1” group
76.5gr avg speed 2912fps, best group at .75”
77.0gr avg speed 2938fps, 1” group
No pressure signs with above loads.
H4350 with 250gr Berger Elite Hunters
76.0gr avg speed 2863 fps, 3” group
76.5gr avg speed 2900fps, 2.25” group
77.0gr avg speed 2915fps, 3.375” group
Loads speeds were all over the place. Groups were bad, will run strings again with Berger’s seated to the lands. Above Berger loads seated short to fit in mag. No pressure signs.
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With the 250gr Berger I had best groups at 20 k off or 10k jammed Jme
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With the 250gr Berger I had best groups at 20 k off or 10k jammed Jme
Thanks for the info 👍
I loaded them 20k off, I will load the next Berger rounds 2k off, touching and jammed and see what those groups look like.
I still have plenty of room for the Accubonds to go longer. I will run another batch of virgin brass at a half to full grain higher and see what pressure looks like.
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Jasnt, FYI Atlas Development Group is taking preorders on 300 prc brass.
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Jasnt, FYI Atlas Development Group is taking preorders on 300 prc brass.
Thank you but I got enough brass to finish this barrel off.
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With last weekend being so nice I was able to get some more load testing in. I was really hoping to get the 250gr Berger’s EH dialed in and that was my focus. First group was better than the last test session where the best group was about 4 inches and seated 10k off the lands. This time I loaded these touching the lands. First group at 76.5gr H4350. The group is getting better but not near what I was hoping for, avg speed was 2988.
Second load 77.0gr also seated to the lands, was grouping great and then things started getting interesting. Out of the five rounds I loaded I could not get the last two primers to fire. I tried several times each. The group of three was the tightest group that I’ve got the Elite Hunters to shoot and I was able to control my flinch with the duds. Avg speed was 3001.
I tried a string of Accubonds I had loaded and I had another primer that took three strikes to fire. I called it a day after that. I’ve never had this issue before so I’m hoping I over lubed the firing pin assembly. I’ve got it all cleaned up now.
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Good time to show off my custom rear bag. Worked in a pinch since mine was at home.
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Change primers ? Those look nasty.
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Change primers ? Those look nasty.
Nope, I didn’t change anything. I tried 3 to 4 times on each to get them to ignite. I didn’t really want to mess with pulling them. Makes me pucker :chuckle:
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Those Winchester primers? I had some primer troubles last fall. Frustrating
I’d try some fed 215m’s
Bad batch of primers could be affecting accuracy too
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Those Winchester primers? I had some primer troubles last fall. Frustrating
I’d try some fed 215m’s
Bad batch of primers could be affecting accuracy too
Yep, Winchester's. I've always had great luck with them and I have a pile of them. I'll see if I can find some 215's.
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Good investment just to pick up a brick of 215M's. Midway expects em in at months end. $44.
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I just remember a while back a few bad batches of Winchester primers being talked about. Maybe give them a call with your lot number.
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I lucked out today. I actually found some primers locally and they were only $32 out the door.
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Dang! Back when it looked like Hillary was gonna win I paid like $180 for that brick on gunbroker and going price was $250 !
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I got a few of those stashed away. Great find. Looking forward to your results. Been thinking about putting mine back together lately
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I burn Fed 215m primers faster than some folks can use 22lr ammo so I picked up 10,000 a few years ago. I went a little crazy with the primers and powder at one point and found myself with enough Retumbo, H50bmg and H4350 to burn out about 10 barrels. :tup:
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I got a few of those stashed away. Great find. Looking forward to your results. Been thinking about putting mine back together lately
I’ll grab another box tomorrow just in case, one box per person.
I’ve been happy with mine so far, it’s been a fun project. Hopefully I can get bullets pulled tomorrow and loaded back up with fresh primers for a shooting session on Saturday.
I'm not 100% sure of the chrono speeds I got last weekend, I was looking back on my load data from previous sessions and I’m getting about 70fps faster through my Caldwell chrono than I was getting with my buddies V3. My chrono seemed pretty on point though, never got an error.
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Dang! Back when it looked like Hillary was gonna win I paid like $180 for that brick on gunbroker and going price was $250 !
Exact reason why I’ll grab another brick tomorrow. I don’t want to throw money at price gougers.
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I burn Fed 215m primers faster than some folks can use 22lr ammo so I picked up 10,000 a few years ago. I went a little crazy with the primers and powder at one point and found myself with enough Retumbo, H50bmg and H4350 to burn out about 10 barrels. :tup:
It’s better to have it then not have it :tup:
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I went a little crazy with the primers and powder at one point and found myself with enough Retumbo, H50bmg and H4350 to burn out about 10 barrels. :tup:
Did the same, but then they came out with some new powders I liked or that worked better for me so I stocked up on those. Ugh, now I almost have more than I know what to do with. :bash:
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I’d be happy to re-home any of those powders. I’d hate for anybody’s powder cabinet to be too crowded :chuckle:
Still kicking my self for not snatching up that retumbo when I had the chance!!
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I’d be happy to re-home any of those powders. I’d hate for anybody’s powder cabinet to be too crowded :chuckle:
Still kicking my self for not snatching up that retumbo when I had the chance!!
If you're interested, I still have one of those 8lb'ers of Retumbo left.
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I’d be happy to re-home any of those powders. I’d hate for anybody’s powder cabinet to be too crowded :chuckle:
Still kicking my self for not snatching up that retumbo when I had the chance!!
If you're interested, I still have one of those 8lb'ers of Retumbo left.
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I’d be happy to re-home any of those powders. I’d hate for anybody’s powder cabinet to be too crowded :chuckle:
Still kicking my self for not snatching up that retumbo when I had the chance!!
If you're interested, I still have one of those 8lb'ers of Retumbo left.
You have a stash of H4350?
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Powder valley and third generation shooting supply has/had H4350 in stock yesterday
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I’d be happy to re-home any of those powders. I’d hate for anybody’s powder cabinet to be too crowded :chuckle:
Still kicking my self for not snatching up that retumbo when I had the chance!!
If you're interested, I still have one of those 8lb'ers of Retumbo left.
You have a stash of H4350?
I know I have some 1lb'ers but I'm nearly certain I don't have any 8lb'ers of H4350.
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I might have some h4350 1lb’ers I’ll check when I get home
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I wish you guys were on this side of the state.
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The little shop down in Cinebar has had a LOT of H4350 lately. I picked up a keg 2 weeks ago for a buddy, sent another guy in there to pick up a keg, then I went back by there and picked up a case (10) of 1 pounders last weekend for myself and any local folks who might need some down the road. I still have half a keg that I picked up a while back as well.
If you're every down around Hwy 12 outside of Mossyrock/Morton, check in with Firemasters Firearms and see what he's got for powder on hand. It's amazing what he'll have and how much he'll have sometimes!
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The little shop down in Cinebar has had a LOT of H4350 lately. I picked up a keg 2 weeks ago for a buddy, sent another guy in there to pick up a keg, then I went back by there and picked up a case (10) of 1 pounders last weekend for myself and any local folks who might need some down the road. I still have half a keg that I picked up a while back as well.
If you're every down around Hwy 12 outside of Mossyrock/Morton, check in with Firemasters Firearms and see what he's got for powder on hand. It's amazing what he'll have and how much he'll have sometimes!
I’ll call down there tomorrow.
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The little shop down in Cinebar has had a LOT of H4350 lately. I picked up a keg 2 weeks ago for a buddy, sent another guy in there to pick up a keg, then I went back by there and picked up a case (10) of 1 pounders last weekend for myself and any local folks who might need some down the road. I still have half a keg that I picked up a while back as well.
If you're every down around Hwy 12 outside of Mossyrock/Morton, check in with Firemasters Firearms and see what he's got for powder on hand. It's amazing what he'll have and how much he'll have sometimes!
I’ll call down there tomorrow.
It would be a pretty good run for you from down where you're at, but might be worth it. If nothing else, Ken is a great and he's got a lot of very cool guns in there at great prices. You'd probably end up leaving with powder and a couple guns. :chuckle:
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The little shop down in Cinebar has had a LOT of H4350 lately. I picked up a keg 2 weeks ago for a buddy, sent another guy in there to pick up a keg, then I went back by there and picked up a case (10) of 1 pounders last weekend for myself and any local folks who might need some down the road. I still have half a keg that I picked up a while back as well.
If you're every down around Hwy 12 outside of Mossyrock/Morton, check in with Firemasters Firearms and see what he's got for powder on hand. It's amazing what he'll have and how much he'll have sometimes!
I’ll call down there tomorrow.
It would be a pretty good run for you from down where you're at, but might be worth it. If nothing else, Ken is a great and he's got a lot of very cool guns in there at great prices. You'd probably end up leaving with powder and a couple guns. :chuckle:
I love to drive. Plus it gets me out of the house. Social distancing practices in full effect.
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Out with the old in with the new primers.
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I was getting hangfires till I switched from CCI to the 215’s. Was scary like blackpowder.
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I was getting hangfires till I switched from CCI to the 215’s. Was scary like blackpowder.
Glad they worked out for you. I’m hoping these tighten up my speeds. I was getting the occasional speed drop or spike before and now I’m thinking it was the primers throwing inconsistent charges.
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Have you gotten her dialed in yet?
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Have you gotten her dialed in yet?
We will find out today. I got all the primers swapped out for the federal gm215m.
I picked up 4 more pounds of H4350 yesterday and I have some more projectiles coming. As long as we aren’t in full can’t go anywhere lockdown then I should be able to throw some lead for the next couple weekends.
I’m thinking of loading some up with H1000. What was your powder charge range on yours?
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With the 250gr Berger’s I started with 78gr h1000 and hit pressure at 85gr. Keep in mind I have about 4-5% more capacity than the standard 338/375R.
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The little shop down in Cinebar has had a LOT of H4350 lately. I picked up a keg 2 weeks ago for a buddy, sent another guy in there to pick up a keg, then I went back by there and picked up a case (10) of 1 pounders last weekend for myself and any local folks who might need some down the road. I still have half a keg that I picked up a while back as well. If you're every down around Hwy 12 outside of Mossyrock/Morton, check in with Firemasters Firearms and see what he's got for powder on hand. It's amazing what he'll have and how much he'll have sometimes!
Never, ever does any price gouging either. Back when there was a hording of 22lr he kept bricks, one per customer at the same price as always. A pretty good shop for chambering and gunsmithing too.
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With the 250gr Berger’s I started with 78gr h1000 and hit pressure at 85gr. Keep in mind I have about 4-5% more capacity than the standard 338/375R.
Thanks for the info. I have your case capacity memorized..lol
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I was able to get some shooting in last weekend. I am happy to report that all my primers went bang. I’m finally getting some nice solid groups with the Berger’s now that I’m seating them to the lands.
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That’s good to hear