Post by: bornforhorns on November 18, 2019, 05:32:16 PM
I can speak on behalf of my cousin in that the Gardner Unit has either had some major changes happen to it's traditional migration routes or most of the decent ones are on private ground where you can't get to them. I know that fires, predators, loss of wintering range and the shear mass of people (bikers) in the area has changed the dynamics from the early 90's when I would see world class bucks in huntable areas and definitely a flood of deer migrating through there.
I know some others probably have thoughts about this? I'm interested in what others think.
If anybody on here has some photos of old Gardner bucks that go 170 or better please share a pic if you feel inclined!
Post by: bobcat on November 18, 2019, 05:42:40 PM
Post by: nwalpineguide on November 19, 2019, 12:10:50 AM
Oh, bye the way; I forgot to mention that the data informed our decision about where and when to hunt. And thought some might find interesting how trail cam data can be utilized to narrow down your hunting location, ours being tree stand locations along migratory routes.
Brad: Hi Mike,
I thought you might enjoy seeing the data analysis I did on your picture data.
Attached is the file I created. If it was pointed to your directory you could just click on links and see the pictures.
I first created the "Data" tab by downloading the path of the pictures and the time they were taken. For a better analysis, I would include a stand column. I then indicated the duplicate pictures in Col D, Deer Type (Buck or Doe) in Column E. If a buck, the points in column F. Hunting Hours in Column G, I then separated the Date / Time into their own Columns. See below.
From this data I created a spotting chart as shown below. The left axis is hours and the top is date. So it shows how many deer were spot during which hour each day.
Then I looked at the sightings over a 15 day period to determine the best hunting times. The first four columns are the total sightings per each hour group. The Four hour period is the number of sights over a 15 day period in each four hour block. I then computed probability of seeing a buck or doe during the period. What it shows is if you hunt from 11 to 2 you have a 93% change of seeing 1 animal each day during that period. The best periods for bucks is from 12 to 4 and you have a 20% chance of seeing a buck. If you want to see a 4 or 5 point buck you only have a 7% daily chance over 15 days.
This analysis could be refined in many ways, but I wanted to show you what could be done with your picture data. I would narrow it further to also look at shorter day groups rather than the 15 day period.
If you did this per stand you could figure out which stand has the most productivity and the best period of days and times to hunt. Realizing of course that a random monster buck can appear at any time regardless of the analysis.
Brad
Post by: huntnphool on November 19, 2019, 12:55:21 AM
Post by: X-Force on November 19, 2019, 03:42:51 AM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on November 19, 2019, 05:10:20 AM
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Post by: NOCK NOCK on November 19, 2019, 08:44:59 AM
Yes, not as many being killed. Look back at posts in 2015, you'll see plenty were posted that year, even bucks that were killed in the general season. In fact there may have been more from the general season than from the later special permit hunts.
Yes, :yeah:
2015 was a VERY hard year on the muley population. Fires, High kill, Bad winter. Takes awhile to get back from that.
Post by: NOCK NOCK on November 19, 2019, 08:59:37 AM
and less being killed (population is way down)
Here's mine from this year, not a Masher to some (I don't care) I shot it for me and that's all that really matters.
PS: Beautiful buck nwalpineguide
Post by: NOCK NOCK on November 19, 2019, 09:04:38 AM
Congrats again, awesome buck
Post by: Twispriver on November 19, 2019, 09:06:31 AM
Post by: opdinkslayer on November 19, 2019, 09:13:45 AM
I believe both of your questions are correct. Less quality bucks being posted (some folks ALWAYS have to be a downer and if its not a Monster they just gotta say something) people get tired of that. If the guy liked it enough to shoot it, then its a Quality buck to him....BE HAPPY FOR HIM, period.
and less being killed (population is way down)
Here's mine from this year, not a Masher to some (I don't care) I shot it for me and that's all that really matters.
PS: Beautiful buck nwalpineguide
:chuckle: got news for ya nock nock, that is a beautiful muley buck & not many people would pass him. Congrats
Post by: mburrows on November 19, 2019, 10:23:28 AM
Post by: 2MANY on November 19, 2019, 10:49:22 AM
Post by: Griiz on November 19, 2019, 12:06:05 PM
Post by: Buckjunkie on November 19, 2019, 12:25:00 PM
They're both mashers to me - congrats and thanks for posting :tup::yeah:
Post by: bornforhorns on November 19, 2019, 05:58:34 PM
Post by: Watimberghost on November 19, 2019, 06:14:54 PM
Post by: Rainier10 on November 19, 2019, 06:59:13 PM
Post by: deerlick on November 19, 2019, 09:41:55 PM
Post by: nwalpineguide on November 19, 2019, 09:52:03 PM
@nwalpineguide Hope ya don't mind that I rotated the pic for you. If that's not ok let me know and i'll remove.
Congrats again, awesome buck
Thank you NOCK. Am grateful for the assistance and positive comments. Smoker of a buck you took also. I respect and admire your leadership and efforts.
Still trying to navigate and learn how to post properly. Will get it with time and effort.
Post by: nwalpineguide on November 19, 2019, 10:07:34 PM
Wow Mike that's a nice buck Congrats
Thanks Keith. Enjoyed the various phone as well text conversations this past year. Allot of the info and images you shared with me informed my decision making and judgement while hunting both bear and trophy class muley bucks in the GPW this summer and fall. Your assistance will not be forgotten anytime soon. I owe ya brother! Thanks again. Now, if only we could connect with one or two of those piss-walloper bucks I recently caught on video and posted to Facebook. Staggering to think these cryptic bucks are out there! Just incredible. :tup:
Post by: X-Force on November 19, 2019, 10:38:50 PM
Quality tag
Any more pictures? Nice buck
Post by: Skyvalhunter on November 20, 2019, 05:12:29 AM
Post by: wsmnut on November 20, 2019, 06:54:38 AM
Thanks for sharing.
Post by: deerlick on November 20, 2019, 07:20:21 AM
I plan on doing a write up of my season and saving some pics for that.Quality tag
Any more pictures? Nice buck
Post by: Wunderlich33 on November 20, 2019, 08:20:35 AM
Post by: MerriamMagician on November 20, 2019, 11:02:41 AM
I'm pretty sure folks are not so willing to post pictures anymore, and this is unfortunate it is this way.
This is very true. A big reason for that is because someones posts something that they were proud and happy about and people find something to criticize, demean, judge, slander, insult, bash, be a grammar nazi, be an internet cop, etc. This forum, other forums, and most social media platforms for hunting and fishing all have this common problem. People get sick of it and just decide to stop posting and writing about their success stories. This includes myself. I do a ton of big game hunting both here in WA and out of state and I havn't posted any of my big game success stories and pics in years. I've been attacked before and many others have too and it doesn't take a whole lot of that foolishness to get people to just stop posting. Of course, the hunting is currently on the downside which is going to limit the amount of quality pictures that end up posted. However I would place the most blame on the general lack of photos and success pictures posted to all the negatives I just mentioned.
Post by: boneaddict on November 20, 2019, 11:10:08 AM
I plan on doing a write up of my season and saving some pics for that.Quality tag
Any more pictures? Nice buck
Looking forward to it!
Post by: Skyvalhunter on November 20, 2019, 11:17:48 AM
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Post by: jstone on November 20, 2019, 08:45:59 PM
Congratulations
That’s the reason I have never posted pictures