Post by: boneaddict on December 11, 2019, 11:58:36 AM
Post by: boneaddict on December 11, 2019, 12:00:07 PM
https://medium.com/@wdfw/surveying-deer-in-the-columbia-basin-grit-and-parkas-required-242596f3fd61 (https://medium.com/@wdfw/surveying-deer-in-the-columbia-basin-grit-and-parkas-required-242596f3fd61)
Post by: Ghost Hunter on December 11, 2019, 12:04:03 PM
Post by: bobcat on December 11, 2019, 12:05:32 PM
Post by: BeerBugler on December 11, 2019, 12:06:24 PM
Post by: boneaddict on December 11, 2019, 12:07:02 PM
Post by: boneaddict on December 11, 2019, 12:08:48 PM
What is the problem? You don't think they should be counting deer?
No, nothing wrong with the article, the gal posting it or even the gal counting. The impression they are trying to seed in everyone’s heads, we counted a 100, so everything is alright, hits a sore spot.
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on December 11, 2019, 12:09:48 PM
Post by: boneaddict on December 11, 2019, 12:11:00 PM
In what ways are you going toe to toe with the department? I’d like to get more involved but don’t know what else to do besides fill out surveys, public comment and write emails. Let me know. I think there’s a ton of people who have had enough but don’t know what to do besides write emails and post on here.
Normally I keep my mouth shut, but I appear to becoming more and more vocal. I’m sure I’m on the radar. I wish I had the answers, I wish I could fix their stupidity. Kinda like watching the news and banging your head on the counter and hopping for Trump to pull through.
Post by: Stein on December 11, 2019, 12:16:42 PM
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Ella says this population is generally doing well and holding steady.
Sounds like all is well, I'm glad they are on the case and ensuring a healthy population to sustain opportunities for hunting.
:peep:
Post by: snowshoes22 on December 11, 2019, 12:20:45 PM
Post by: Reidus on December 11, 2019, 12:22:06 PM
Classic vague CYA statement...
Post by: NRA4LIFE on December 11, 2019, 12:23:34 PM
Post by: KFhunter on December 11, 2019, 12:28:48 PM
"Ella says this population is generally doing well and holding steady. However, things like wildfires, reduced habitat, drought, harsh winters, and over harvest from poaching can influence the population"
Classic vague CYA statement...
IE: too many people, global warming, habitat loss, global warming and those evil poachers
no mention of predators
Post by: Special T on December 11, 2019, 12:29:11 PM
In what ways are you going toe to toe with the department? I’d like to get more involved but don’t know what else to do besides fill out surveys, public comment and write emails. Let me know. I think there’s a ton of people who have had enough but don’t know what to do besides write emails and post on here.
Do you belong to a sportsmens club/Organization? If yes tell them you want to get involved. If NO, then join one. Not all organizations engage the political processes as much as others. Many of these are Habitat based organizations that are well know the names to but dont engage the politics. SCI is probably the best national org on this matter. Most state/local Orgs engage and could use your help.
Post by: KFhunter on December 11, 2019, 12:32:46 PM
So glad I didn't become a WDFW game warden back in the mid to late 90's, I'd be crying now too :bash: :bash:
Post by: boneaddict on December 11, 2019, 12:40:47 PM
Post by: Wsucoug on December 11, 2019, 12:51:32 PM
In what ways are you going toe to toe with the department? I’d like to get more involved but don’t know what else to do besides fill out surveys, public comment and write emails. Let me know. I think there’s a ton of people who have had enough but don’t know what to do besides write emails and post on here.
Do you belong to a sportsmens club/Organization? If yes tell them you want to get involved. If NO, then join one. Not all organizations engage the political processes as much as others. Many of these are Habitat based organizations that are well know the names to but dont engage the politics. SCI is probably the best national org on this matter. Most state/local Orgs engage and could use your help.
To be honest, which one do i join? I actively hunt the NE corner of WA and have issues the the current management strategy in this area. Which organization is actively aligning with my perception? A lot of those large organizations are awesome, but what are they doing that currently aligns with my passion?
Also, as a sportsman why it so hard to identify the organization that is actively promoting healthy ungulate populations in Eastern WA. I see we talk about it all the time here on huntWA but I often feel like we are just preaching to the choir.....with little actual organization. Is there any???
Post by: boneaddict on December 11, 2019, 12:52:38 PM
Post by: Stein on December 11, 2019, 12:55:41 PM
Post by: boneaddict on December 11, 2019, 01:00:58 PM
Post by: NRA4LIFE on December 11, 2019, 01:03:19 PM
Post by: rainshadow1 on December 11, 2019, 01:42:34 PM
So they drove around and looked at deer all day. Sounds rough. :'(
I was gonna say... Grit and Parkas? Sounds more like Snacks, Gas, and Washer Fluid...
I grew up interacting with the Department of Fisheries. My Dad was a lifelong commercial fisherman, Great Lakes, Gulf of Mexico, then here in the NW. He went to the UW School of Fisheries, then back to the water before I was born. He had lots of the same sentiment as you, Bone... I saw it too when I went out on the water myself. Just not a lot of effort to do population census' wisely, a LOT of assumption and estimating based on nothing, and a TON of promoting themselves to the apartment dwellers in the Puget Sound basin.
Nothing has changed. The "Adventurous" job of a WDFW Bio continues to be the stuff of myth and legend....
Post by: KFhunter on December 11, 2019, 01:52:47 PM
Post by: Special T on December 11, 2019, 02:38:11 PM
Im a Proud member of the Washington Waterfowl Association, and I have on my Christmas list a SCI membership. I know some sportsmen clubs are pretty involved. Inland NW Empire wildlife council out of Spokane (they put on the bighorn show) and likely others.
Post by: Jimmy33 on December 11, 2019, 03:06:50 PM
In what ways are you going toe to toe with the department? I’d like to get more involved but don’t know what else to do besides fill out surveys, public comment and write emails. Let me know. I think there’s a ton of people who have had enough but don’t know what to do besides write emails and post on here.Email Anis Aoude...alot...about everything...all the time
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Post by: buckfvr on December 11, 2019, 03:09:50 PM
RMEF, NRA, WDFW, and even unions.......Dont believe anything you read or hear and only half of what you see. Lobbyists should be illegal.
Post by: hunter399 on December 11, 2019, 03:49:57 PM
I wouldn't give the dog crap off the bottom of my shoe to the biologist a WDFW.Its pretty straight forward that it's the same sad story (everything is ok,deer numbers are good).
They can't even see anything is wrong till where down to the last ten deer.OMG Its gonna take years to recover.Where did they count the 100 hundred deer at private back yards ,Man I can't wait for that opportunity next year.Honesty if they can't manage deer before we are in a ten year recovery period of no permits,limited season,and little to none opportunity,they should lose there job period.I don't get go to work and have poor job performance .
Post by: NRA4LIFE on December 11, 2019, 03:57:28 PM
Post by: grundy53 on December 11, 2019, 04:54:22 PM
I'm guessing if these simpletons drove through Conconully on an average day they'd immediately declare there was 25 million mule deer in the state.As long as they didn't leave the city limits. If they did, they would put them on the endangered species list...
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Post by: Stein on December 11, 2019, 05:17:55 PM
WWA is active, but they only have what members give them. Few join.
We should band together or write down the stories of what we have so we can tell our grandkids what it used to be like.
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Post by: borntoslay on December 11, 2019, 05:34:53 PM
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Post by: Bango skank on December 11, 2019, 05:35:27 PM
"Ella says this population is generally doing well and holding steady. However, things like wildfires, reduced habitat, drought, harsh winters, and over harvest from poaching can influence the population"
Classic vague CYA statement...
Notice they included everything EXCEPT uncontrolled predator populations.
Post by: boneaddict on December 11, 2019, 05:37:26 PM
Post by: Bango skank on December 11, 2019, 05:39:08 PM
Post by: boneaddict on December 11, 2019, 05:39:39 PM
Post by: boneaddict on December 11, 2019, 05:40:24 PM
Post by: Humptulips on December 11, 2019, 06:15:56 PM
My :twocents:In what ways are you going toe to toe with the department? I’d like to get more involved but don’t know what else to do besides fill out surveys, public comment and write emails. Let me know. I think there’s a ton of people who have had enough but don’t know what to do besides write emails and post on here.
Do you belong to a sportsmens club/Organization? If yes tell them you want to get involved. If NO, then join one. Not all organizations engage the political processes as much as others. Many of these are Habitat based organizations that are well know the names to but dont engage the politics. SCI is probably the best national org on this matter. Most state/local Orgs engage and could use your help.
To be honest, which one do i join? I actively hunt the NE corner of WA and have issues the the current management strategy in this area. Which organization is actively aligning with my perception? A lot of those large organizations are awesome, but what are they doing that currently aligns with my passion?
Also, as a sportsman why it so hard to identify the organization that is actively promoting healthy ungulate populations in Eastern WA. I see we talk about it all the time here on huntWA but I often feel like we are just preaching to the choir.....with little actual organization. Is there any???
Pick an organization. Maybe it doesn't matter as much as you think which you choose.
Go to the meetings and see what they are doing to pressure WDFW about what you see are problems.
If nothing volunteer to be that guy. If they are meeting with Department personel ask to attend. Nobody going ask to represent the Organization.
Something comes up ask WDFW for a meeting, go to Commission meetings.
Get to know the people (Commissioners and WDFW people.
If there is a problem go with solutions not just complaints. Best to go prepared and never get angry. You can disagree but calm and reasonable is good.
You too can lose your hair like me. :chuckle:
Post by: Humptulips on December 11, 2019, 06:18:04 PM
Most likely round filed. If something is important enough to e-mail them cc everyone you can think of, Director on down.In what ways are you going toe to toe with the department? I’d like to get more involved but don’t know what else to do besides fill out surveys, public comment and write emails. Let me know. I think there’s a ton of people who have had enough but don’t know what to do besides write emails and post on here.Email Anis Aoude...alot...about everything...all the time
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Post by: Bango skank on December 11, 2019, 06:22:33 PM
I’m not sure how the format works. Mine might not even be visible. I do know the wdfw answered a bunch of them, but not mine
They wont answer questions that they cant come up with *censored* answers to.
Post by: westside Elkhunter on December 11, 2019, 06:46:53 PM
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Post by: buckfvr on December 11, 2019, 07:06:28 PM
Post by: Bango skank on December 11, 2019, 07:08:37 PM
I just read the article. Who really thinks 15 to 19 bucks per 100 does is acceptable?50 bucks to 100 does is a more natural, healthy ratio. And dont forget to take age class into consideration. Under our cyrrent "any buck" whitetail rules, our age class is screwed up. We let people rifle hunt yearling whitetail bucks during the rut. Shooting fish in a barrel. Its disgusting.
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Post by: KFhunter on December 11, 2019, 07:34:32 PM
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Post by: Stein on December 11, 2019, 08:25:51 PM
Most of us work for someone, try doing something that is 180 from what the boss wants.
Next time you line up for tags, think about where your money goes.
Don’t buy tags and be vocal. Find groups that have attorneys and join them.
All else is lipstick on a pig.
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Post by: Boss .300 winmag on December 11, 2019, 08:54:07 PM
I'm guessing if these simpletons drove through Conconully on an average day they'd immediately declare there was 25 million mule deer in the state.As long as they didn't leave the city limits. If they did, they would put them on the endangered species list...
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Post by: huntnnw on December 11, 2019, 10:52:03 PM
Post by: huntnphool on December 11, 2019, 11:15:29 PM
Draw again! Being vocal and going toe to toe with the wdfw. I’m sure when my wild I’d pops up there is an algorithim that says redraw!
+1
Post by: huntnphool on December 11, 2019, 11:22:52 PM
there are many more people who spend 10x the amount outside around our deer,elk,sheep,moose who have a better grasp on whats going on with our herds than any of these so called bio's.
Personal experience confirms that statement!!!
The next time I meet any of you, remind me of this thread/post, I’ll give you a couple classic examples....don’t want to air out too much laundry on here since I know for a fact those involved in my examples frequent the site, which as Bone speculates, would lower my draw odds from zero to negative figures. :chuckle:
@MtnMuley care to comment yourself? :chuckle:
Post by: huntnnw on December 11, 2019, 11:25:46 PM
Post by: huntnphool on December 11, 2019, 11:36:17 PM
I have written so many emails to the director I ve lost count :chuckle: I still draw tags :chuckle:
Negative emails go directly into the virtual circular bin, much like Clinton’s emails, out of sight out of mind. Open public forum comments are there forever, for everyone to see. I’m glad you are speaking your mind, but not quite apples to apples when putting your nuts on the chopping block for the whole world to read! ;)
Post by: huntnnw on December 11, 2019, 11:51:32 PM
Post by: huntnphool on December 12, 2019, 12:08:52 AM
Oh I have commented on many of their fb posts and proposals with comments
Atta kid! ;) :tup:
You will be part of “the club” before you know it. :chuckle:
Post by: huntnnw on December 12, 2019, 12:17:47 AM
Post by: hunter399 on December 12, 2019, 05:52:58 AM
Always hunted without a permit ,not to worried about it.Its pretty sad that some of us are red flaged on permits cause WDFW mangement sucks.
Post by: elkrack on December 12, 2019, 10:10:31 AM
Although he did draw a OIL this year
Post by: hunter100 on December 12, 2019, 10:27:35 AM
Post by: boneaddict on December 12, 2019, 10:30:22 AM
Post by: Stein on December 12, 2019, 10:54:34 AM
1. Responding to Governor's requests and then from the legislature.
2. Responding to the myriad of legal battles currently ongoing.
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175. Seeking input from hunters.
For big game hunting, it really isn't a top or even mid level priority. Orcas, wolves and brown bears are all that is actively managed. For big game, do a drive by count if you can, guess if you can't. Plug the number into a spreadsheet and get the number of tags they will issue. End of story as far as management is concerned for 95% of the state.
Then, we line up to buy tags and draw applications, gripe a bit and send them our money which reinforces the fact that we can get hosed and won't do anything. So, they are back to the #1 and #2 on the above list.
Post by: bornhunter on December 12, 2019, 10:54:57 AM
See I stopped the RMEF. I’m sure,that’s going to fire up,all sorts of peeps. I disagreed with their patronization of the tribe. I understand they don’t care about the opinion of one guy, but I wasn’t going to give one cent. My choice.
Yep, me too. It was the tribe thing for me.