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Title: just dropped off my yellow lab (tank) to LEE SALMON of wind river labs
Post by: benbo30 on April 05, 2009, 02:48:49 PM: just got back from a weekand in eastern washington , went there to drop off tank my yellow lab to lee salmon of wind river labs , she is a nice person , after alot of thinking back an forth i ended up chooseing to leave tank with a trainer , as my time is very limited to train him myself and i dont have experience in training hunting labs , this is my first time having a hunting dog , cant wait to get back to meet with her and see his progress , right now we are going for 3 months of obedience and force fetch , then depending on how quick he learns we are gonna decide if we should leave him there for 1 or 2 more months of blind retrieve training
Title: Re: just dropped off my yellow lab (tank) to LEE SALMON of wind river labs
Post by: The Weazle on April 05, 2009, 06:45:56 PM: What does three months of obedience and the force fetch cost?...I was thinking of having my dog force fetched, and a month or two of gun dog training...
Title: Re: just dropped off my yellow lab (tank) to LEE SALMON of wind river labs
Post by: oneezreiter on April 05, 2009, 08:00:33 PM: Weavel, if your pup has a natural retrieve you may want to just reinforce it. The force fetch process is really pretty rough. If you can avoid it and still have a good dog do it. If not send the dog out, don't do it yourself, you'll ruin a good friendship. If you have never heard how force fetch is done, take a look into it. Just one guys opinion.
Title: Re: just dropped off my yellow lab (tank) to LEE SALMON of wind river labs
Post by: benbo30 on April 05, 2009, 09:19:07 PM: the first 3 months includes force fetch ,basic obidience , and gun dog training she is gonna have him retrieve birds and such , i am paying 550 per month , 3 month minimum
Title: Re: just dropped off my yellow lab (tank) to LEE SALMON of wind river labs
Post by: benbo30 on April 05, 2009, 09:22:27 PM: in the beginning i really didnt want to send him out but i dont know to much of training hunting dogs, i want to have a good hunting dog that knows what he is doing , im gonna be meeting with her every couple weeks after his first month or so there
Title: Re: just dropped off my yellow lab (tank) to LEE SALMON of wind river labs
Post by: gasman on April 06, 2009, 05:21:51 AM: Force fetch is not that bad, i am working with my dog on force fetch, and he still is my best friend. It only takes 10-20 minutes a day to train for a hunting dog. I feel bad, but know its nessisary to aquire the results.

Mine is coming along good, and i have no idea what what i a m doing. So i am training with the direction of a trainer.

Pete
Title: Re: just dropped off my yellow lab (tank) to LEE SALMON of wind river labs
Post by: Wayne1 on April 06, 2009, 12:51:12 PM: I've Force fetched all my dog's... it the only part of training I totally don't enjoy... but it's necessary for the training that comes after... never has a dog hate me for it.. and they've all been my best friends since
Title: Re: just dropped off my yellow lab (tank) to LEE SALMON of wind river labs
Post by: RPM on April 07, 2009, 08:34:05 PM: good for you ben, i still plan on going to the hrc hunt test in fall city the 18th and 19, if you want to come and watch, i belive its at carlsons.
Title: Re: just dropped off my yellow lab (tank) to LEE SALMON of wind river labs
Post by: benbo30 on April 08, 2009, 07:49:11 AM: i am probably going to go there to watch as long as i dont plan on going fishing or turkey hunting that weekand
Title: Re: just dropped off my yellow lab (tank) to LEE SALMON of wind river labs
Post by: gasman on April 08, 2009, 01:21:37 PM: Quote from: benbo30 on April 08, 2009, 07:49:11 AM
i am probably going to go there to watch as long as i dont plan on going fishing or turkey hunting that weekand

Just remember, you may not like what you see.

Much of training is if they doonot obey they are pushed for results, some times it requires pain tothe dog toget required results. Some do not like to see the pain being inflicted on there dog and donot understand why it is nessisary.

I do not havecausing or seeing any discomfort for my Hemi,but know its part of the learning process and is nessisary for training.

Unless it is one of the trainers that rewards with food and praise for desired results.(some do)
Title: Re: just dropped off my yellow lab (tank) to LEE SALMON of wind river labs
Post by: Happy Gilmore on April 08, 2009, 04:55:41 PM: I think he was talking about the HRC Hunt test....no need to go watch a dog be forced fetched unless you are going to do it yourself. You will only be a distraction to the pup which is the last thing needed.
Title: Re: just dropped off my yellow lab (tank) to LEE SALMON of wind river labs
Post by: RPM on April 08, 2009, 05:56:39 PM: Quote from: Happy Gilmore on April 08, 2009, 04:55:41 PM
I think he was talking about the HRC Hunt test....no need to go watch a dog be forced fetched unless you are going to do it yourself. You will only be a distraction to the pup which is the last thing needed.

yes, i meant the hunt test
Title: Re: just dropped off my yellow lab (tank) to LEE SALMON of wind river labs
Post by: benbo30 on April 09, 2009, 07:38:09 AM: yea i meant the hunt test as well , also i understand what happens with force fetch , i dont think any owner wants to see there dog go throught that but at the same time the dog needs that training and needs to learn what it needs to do ..... im not gonna be going during the force fetch she said there is no need to and i dont want to interfere with the force fetch process
Title: Re: just dropped off my yellow lab (tank) to LEE SALMON of wind river labs
Post by: Happy Gilmore on April 09, 2009, 10:17:13 AM: Quote from: benbo30 on April 09, 2009, 07:38:09 AM
yea i meant the hunt test as well , also i understand what happens with force fetch , i dont think any owner wants to see there dog go throught that but at the same time the dog needs that training and needs to learn what it needs to do ..... im not gonna be going during the force fetch she said there is no need to and i dont want to interfere with the force fetch process

When you see Lee, tell her Happy Gilmore is BBQing hot dogs at the next hunt test.....She'll get a laugh out of it. Hap
Title: Re: just dropped off my yellow lab (tank) to LEE SALMON of wind river labs
Post by: gasman on April 09, 2009, 10:37:41 AM: Hey Paul, looks like i wil be at the "Hunt Test" in "Carnation" the second weekend of May. My daughter is going to be working the birds for it and i think Bryant and Cindy have some plans for putting me to work also.

Are you going to be there?

Sure would like to put a face with the name.

Pete
Title: Re: just dropped off my yellow lab (tank) to LEE SALMON of wind river labs
Post by: Happy Gilmore on April 09, 2009, 12:19:37 PM: Yeah, I'll probably be there. They usually ask me to shoot the fliers a day before the event.(I think I am pretty low on the list but reliable no less:) ) Tell Bryant you want to work the live gunner station with me....I have a perfect record shooting at the hunt tests with Bryants Winchester O/U....not a missed flier...

I need one pass for my Chessies AKC Senior Hunter title. Might run it at that test. She won't be ready for Master until later this year, maybe fall.
Title: Re: just dropped off my yellow lab (tank) to LEE SALMON of wind river labs
Post by: gasman on April 09, 2009, 01:24:12 PM: I think that is what Cindy has in mind. She mentioned some thing about Rashell throwing birds and me having the shot gun, but i not sure :dunno: we will see.
Title: Re: just dropped off my yellow lab (tank) to LEE SALMON of wind river labs
Post by: Happy Gilmore on April 09, 2009, 03:38:24 PM: Good deal, we'll be sure to catch up. Great to get more kids involved. Be forewarned, the days can be long and kids have to pay attention all day. It is still fun to watch all the dogs and a good opportunity to talk all day....
Title: Re: just dropped off my yellow lab (tank) to LEE SALMON of wind river labs
Post by: jackelope on April 09, 2009, 03:56:15 PM: where do they hunt test in carnation?
Title: Re: just dropped off my yellow lab (tank) to LEE SALMON of wind river labs
Post by: RPM on April 09, 2009, 04:02:47 PM: Quote from: jackelope on April 09, 2009, 03:56:15 PM
where do they hunt test in carnation?

usualy at pepers farm. i know how to get there but don't know the name of the road it's on.
Title: Re: just dropped off my yellow lab (tank) to LEE SALMON of wind river labs
Post by: benbo30 on April 09, 2009, 05:57:54 PM: hey dick you going to run your dog
Title: Re: just dropped off my yellow lab (tank) to LEE SALMON of wind river labs
Post by: RPM on April 10, 2009, 01:42:32 AM: Quote from: benbo30 on April 09, 2009, 05:57:54 PM
hey dick you going to run your dog
no, i have to work that weekend, only reason i get to run next weekend my mill is taking a shutdown for lack of orders. but i'll have memorial weekend off i'll run OHRTC's doubleheader if she's not in heat. i have limited weekends off thats why i started running HRC and AKC both.
Title: Re: just dropped off my yellow lab (tank) to LEE SALMON of wind river labs
Post by: benbo30 on April 10, 2009, 07:03:16 AM: oh right on , well hopefully i can be there to kind of get a feel for what its all about
Title: Re: just dropped off my yellow lab (tank) to LEE SALMON of wind river labs
Post by: Happy Gilmore on April 10, 2009, 08:51:48 AM: Carlson's is on Neal Rd. in Fall City.

Pepper's is on West Snoqualmie Valley Road. It is two driveways south of Novelty Hill Road and West Snoqualmie Valley road stop light. It is really closer to Duvall than Carnation. You can see the blue bridge from the property.

Cherry Valley is 2 miles north (towards Monroe) of Duvall on 203.

Dr. Greenleafs is just south of the Lewis St. bridge in Monroe.

That sums up the retriever grounds used for Hunt tests on the west side of the hill. (except for field trials at Fort Lewis)
Title: Re: just dropped off my yellow lab (tank) to LEE SALMON of wind river labs
Post by: RPM on April 10, 2009, 03:50:19 PM: i've never ran at greanleafs, but did run a couple at fort lewis, i enjoy peppers the best. sauvies island and st lous ponds are closer for me so i try to hit as many of them as possible. my mom lives north of greatfalls in montana so i run one there very couple of years too.
Title: Re: just dropped off my yellow lab (tank) to LEE SALMON of wind river labs
Post by: Happy Gilmore on April 10, 2009, 04:00:56 PM: I passed a Senior hunter at Sauvie Island last year. It was flooded like crazy...not much room for a land test.

Dr. Greenleafs is pretty small. They can only run one series at a time. Usually they'll run a derby there...or the picnic tests.
Title: Re: just dropped off my yellow lab (tank) to LEE SALMON of wind river labs
Post by: RPM on April 12, 2009, 09:14:57 PM: thier're all fun no matter where :)