Post by: snowshoes22 on December 17, 2019, 11:13:35 AM
I am having trouble finding all the info on this one.
This is what i found online
Sec. 3. RCW 9.41.190 and 2018 c 7 s 3 are each amended to read
as follows:
(1) Except as otherwise provided in this section, it is unlawful
for any person to:
(a) Manufacture, own, buy, sell, loan, furnish, transport, or have in possession or under control, any machine gun, bump-fire stock, undetectable firearm, short-barreled shotgun, or shortbarreled rifle;
(b) Manufacture, own, buy, sell, loan, furnish, transport, or have in possession or under control, any part designed and intended solely and exclusively for use in a machine gun, bump-fire stock, undetectable firearm, short-barreled shotgun, or short-barreled rifle, or in converting a weapon into a machine gun, short-barreled shotgun, or short-barreled rifle; ((or))
(c) Assemble or repair any machine gun, bump-fire stock, undetectable firearm, short-barreled shotgun, or short-barreled rifle; or
(d) Manufacture an untraceable firearm with the intent to sell
the untraceable firearm
Post by: Stein on December 17, 2019, 11:16:24 AM
Post by: 81husky on December 17, 2019, 11:34:47 AM
But websites will not ship to Washington anymore.
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Have you tried to order one, and they wouldn't sell to you? I wasn't aware that we couldn't mail order a 80% lower.
Post by: Pnwrider on December 17, 2019, 11:43:01 AM
Post by: snowshoes22 on December 17, 2019, 11:46:55 AM
Post by: snowshoes22 on December 17, 2019, 11:50:04 AM
This is what the site says.
Post by: snowshoes22 on December 17, 2019, 11:55:38 AM
Post by: the1rod on December 17, 2019, 12:26:23 PM
Post by: the1rod on December 17, 2019, 12:27:44 PM
Post by: Rob on December 17, 2019, 12:40:19 PM
"These products cannot be included with your order due to the following:
Washington prohibits the sale and possession of non-serialized receivers. "
I heard Brownells will also not ship them however I have not tested that theory.
I also found that you get the following error on Midway when trying to order an AK47 parts kit:
"These products cannot be included with your order due to the following:
State law restricts the sale of parts kits to Washington Customers."
yet you can order an AR15 lower parts kit...
Sigh.
Post by: 81husky on December 17, 2019, 12:52:25 PM
Midway won't ship them to WA anymore. The following error occurs on checkout:
"These products cannot be included with your order due to the following:
Washington prohibits the sale and possession of non-serialized receivers. "
I heard Brownells will also not ship them however I have not tested that theory.
I also found that you get the following error on Midway when trying to order an AK47 parts kit:
"These products cannot be included with your order due to the following:
State law restricts the sale of parts kits to Washington Customers."
yet you can order an AR15 lower parts kit...
Sigh.
That seems like BS. Wa law does not prohibit the possession of non-serialized firearms. It says you can't make a non-serialized firearm with the intent to sell it. An 80% lower is not a firearm per ATF, so what's the problem?
Post by: Rob on December 17, 2019, 12:56:58 PM
Perhaps they feel the increased liability of figuring out our messed up law and being sued for some grey portion of the law exceeds the profits from selling these items...
And why can you purchase an AR lower kit, but not an AK 47 kit (no receiver - 80% or otherwise - included in the kit). This is a question I did not want to call and ask for fear they say "you are right! we should not be selling AR15 kits either!"
Post by: Stein on December 17, 2019, 01:00:54 PM
1. They don't have the time or expertise to keep up on 50 different sets of firearm laws, and or
2. They don't want to be sued when they sell a guy one, he builds it and sells, gives, looses or sells it to a bad guy.
Post by: 81husky on December 17, 2019, 01:09:34 PM
Post by: Special T on December 17, 2019, 01:18:20 PM
Agreed.
Perhaps they feel the increased liability of figuring out our messed up law and being sued for some grey portion of the law exceeds the profits from selling these items...
And why can you purchase an AR lower kit, but not an AK 47 kit (no receiver - 80% or otherwise - included in the kit). This is a question I did not want to call and ask for fear they say "you are right! we should not be selling AR15 kits either!"
AK receivers are just slightly more complicated than an AR lower because they require some light welding. if you look up the kits they are a flat piece of gauge steel with some holes drilled in it.
Post by: Rob on December 17, 2019, 02:31:57 PM
Post by: konradcountry on December 17, 2019, 03:02:26 PM
Can't say I blame them when the Gov and AG are trying to adopt every ineffective California law.