Post by: bod on December 18, 2019, 09:12:42 PM
Post by: jackelope on December 18, 2019, 09:45:11 PM
Post by: Special T on December 18, 2019, 10:45:08 PM
You can tempt fate and put delete kitsch on personal rigs but the juice isnt woth the squeeze on the commercial end.
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Post by: syoungs on December 19, 2019, 06:27:20 AM
I was going to wait on the 7.3 gasser before I bought a truck, but I want to let it have a few years to work the bugs out. I figure in 5 years or so I will leave my 6.7 for another gasser, unless they do something dramatic with emissions between then and now to make them more reliable.
Post by: C-Money on December 19, 2019, 07:37:26 AM
Post by: jackelope on December 19, 2019, 08:54:02 AM
One of my customers has changed his ford fleet out of diesels to gas. Everyone but his 450. I'll bet money that he is completely changed over soon.
You can tempt fate and put delete kitsch on personal rigs but the juice isnt woth the squeeze on the commercial end.
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I've got multiple large construction companies with hundreds of vehicles going away from diesel all together. All the new emissions crap is no good for these trucks when they're sitting and running at idle for 75% of the day.
Post by: Mudman on December 19, 2019, 10:41:02 AM
Post by: jackelope on December 19, 2019, 11:50:09 AM
I bought older low miles 2006 cummins because of new diesel crap. It isn't as fancy but man has it been near perfect. Not in shop yet. 40k trouble free miles so far. Oil and fuel. I have no emissions 400+hp 800+Tq, what else does a guy need? 16mpg+ and manual trans. I wanted no part of new stuff. The new ford 7.3 gas has at least got my attention though! Smart move by Ford if ya ask me. I think new diesels will see less and less sales... Ecoboost is sign of future gas engines. Imagine a 5.0 ecoboost?!? F350 5.0 eco 500hp and 700tq is doable!
99% of the people don't need it. You probably don't even "need" it.
:chuckle:
I think you're spot on with your other theories too.
Post by: jstone on December 19, 2019, 12:00:03 PM
Post by: follow maggie on December 19, 2019, 05:13:03 PM
One of my customers has changed his ford fleet out of diesels to gas. Everyone but his 450. I'll bet money that he is completely changed over soon.
You can tempt fate and put delete kitsch on personal rigs but the juice isnt woth the squeeze on the commercial end.
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I've got multiple large construction companies with hundreds of vehicles going away from diesel all together. All the new emissions crap is no good for these trucks when they're sitting and running at idle for 75% of the day.
Are they more reliable if you minimize the idling time?
Post by: actionshooter on December 19, 2019, 07:17:30 PM
Post by: Caseyd on December 19, 2019, 07:53:52 PM
Have they given any mileage stats on the new 7.3 gasser yet??
Single digit :chuckle:
Post by: jackelope on December 19, 2019, 08:11:07 PM
One of my customers has changed his ford fleet out of diesels to gas. Everyone but his 450. I'll bet money that he is completely changed over soon.
You can tempt fate and put delete kitsch on personal rigs but the juice isnt woth the squeeze on the commercial end.
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I've got multiple large construction companies with hundreds of vehicles going away from diesel all together. All the new emissions crap is no good for these trucks when they're sitting and running at idle for 75% of the day.
Are they more reliable if you minimize the idling time?
The problem is emissions stuff. You’ve got to run them to regen and burn themselves clean. So if you have a construction company guy driving a truck with a bunch of emissions stuff home every day on the freeway it’s probably fine. If it’s a yard truck or that truck doesn’t get driven enough, that’s where you have problems. These guys fire their trucks in the morning and shut them off at the end of the day. They get out of the weather in them, have meetings in them, they’re making power, whatever. They never shut them off. They’re idling literally all day.
Post by: actionshooter on December 19, 2019, 08:55:34 PM
That was my assumption.... nopeHave they given any mileage stats on the new 7.3 gasser yet??
Single digit :chuckle:
Post by: follow maggie on December 19, 2019, 09:35:22 PM
Have they given any mileage stats on the new 7.3 gasser yet??
The manufacturers won't. They're in a heavier class of vehicle so they're not required to post their fuel mileage.
Post by: follow maggie on December 19, 2019, 09:40:35 PM
One of my customers has changed his ford fleet out of diesels to gas. Everyone but his 450. I'll bet money that he is completely changed over soon.
You can tempt fate and put delete kitsch on personal rigs but the juice isnt woth the squeeze on the commercial end.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk
I've got multiple large construction companies with hundreds of vehicles going away from diesel all together. All the new emissions crap is no good for these trucks when they're sitting and running at idle for 75% of the day.
Are they more reliable if you minimize the idling time?
The problem is emissions stuff. You’ve got to run them to regen and burn themselves clean. So if you have a construction company guy driving a truck with a bunch of emissions stuff home every day on the freeway it’s probably fine. If it’s a yard truck or that truck doesn’t get driven enough, that’s where you have problems. These guys fire their trucks in the morning and shut them off at the end of the day. They get out of the weather in them, have meetings in them, they’re making power, whatever. They never shut them off. They’re idling literally all day.
Thanks
Post by: syoungs on December 19, 2019, 09:56:46 PM
I was disappointed with the power numbers, people were speculating higher, mated to the 10 speed is a game changer though!
Post by: Stein on December 19, 2019, 10:52:29 PM
If the 3.5 can tow 12,000#, something in the 5 neighborhood should be able to get in the neighborhood of 15k boosted, at least on paper from an electrical guy. That would cover 99.99% of weekend towing applications at 20 mpg and no blue tank or $4,000 turbos.
In my mind, the future is electrics and smaller gassers. Diesels are a square peg in a round US hole strictly from emissions. After the VW debacle, everyone and their brother will be doing a triple check on anything diesel as well as new laws we haven't seen yet. Diesel will get more complex and expensive and gas will get more powerful and cost effective.
The diesel's are pretty amazing out of the box, but at some point there won't be enough people that can afford to keep them the road to pull their monster for a week a year, especially when you can do it with gas.
Post by: jackelope on December 20, 2019, 08:57:34 AM
It takes time, they put a bunch of dough and time in the twin turbo 6's, I would wait for the 8's to catch up before I dropped a pile.
If the 3.5 can tow 12,000#, something in the 5 neighborhood should be able to get in the neighborhood of 15k boosted, at least on paper from an electrical guy. That would cover 99.99% of weekend towing applications at 20 mpg and no blue tank or $4,000 turbos.
In my mind, the future is electrics and smaller gassers. Diesels are a square peg in a round US hole strictly from emissions. After the VW debacle, everyone and their brother will be doing a triple check on anything diesel as well as new laws we haven't seen yet. Diesel will get more complex and expensive and gas will get more powerful and cost effective.
The diesel's are pretty amazing out of the box, but at some point there won't be enough people that can afford to keep them the road to pull their monster for a week a year, especially when you can do it with gas.
The Ecoboost turbos are more $$ than the diesel turbos.
Post by: b23 on December 20, 2019, 09:45:28 AM
Imagine a 5.0 ecoboost?!?
I've been begging Ford to do a 5.0 Ecoboost for years, that, and for god sake, change that ugly azz grill in the F150's. I'm a Ford guy and was forced to buy a new GMC because of it.
Post by: Stein on December 20, 2019, 10:42:12 AM
It takes time, they put a bunch of dough and time in the twin turbo 6's, I would wait for the 8's to catch up before I dropped a pile.
If the 3.5 can tow 12,000#, something in the 5 neighborhood should be able to get in the neighborhood of 15k boosted, at least on paper from an electrical guy. That would cover 99.99% of weekend towing applications at 20 mpg and no blue tank or $4,000 turbos.
In my mind, the future is electrics and smaller gassers. Diesels are a square peg in a round US hole strictly from emissions. After the VW debacle, everyone and their brother will be doing a triple check on anything diesel as well as new laws we haven't seen yet. Diesel will get more complex and expensive and gas will get more powerful and cost effective.
The diesel's are pretty amazing out of the box, but at some point there won't be enough people that can afford to keep them the road to pull their monster for a week a year, especially when you can do it with gas.
The Ecoboost turbos are more $$ than the diesel turbos.
I heard the ecoboost turbos were about $700 each and the newer diesel turbos were in the $2k+ range but I'm sure you have more reliable info.
Post by: Special T on December 20, 2019, 11:12:09 AM
Imagine a 5.0 ecoboost?!?
I've been begging Ford to do a 5.0 Ecoboost for years, that, and for god sake, change that ugly azz grill in the F150's. I'm a Ford guy and was forced to buy a new GMC because of it.
You know you can buy aftermarket grill kits right?
Post by: jackelope on December 20, 2019, 11:54:04 AM
It takes time, they put a bunch of dough and time in the twin turbo 6's, I would wait for the 8's to catch up before I dropped a pile.
If the 3.5 can tow 12,000#, something in the 5 neighborhood should be able to get in the neighborhood of 15k boosted, at least on paper from an electrical guy. That would cover 99.99% of weekend towing applications at 20 mpg and no blue tank or $4,000 turbos.
In my mind, the future is electrics and smaller gassers. Diesels are a square peg in a round US hole strictly from emissions. After the VW debacle, everyone and their brother will be doing a triple check on anything diesel as well as new laws we haven't seen yet. Diesel will get more complex and expensive and gas will get more powerful and cost effective.
The diesel's are pretty amazing out of the box, but at some point there won't be enough people that can afford to keep them the road to pull their monster for a week a year, especially when you can do it with gas.
The Ecoboost turbos are more $$ than the diesel turbos.
I heard the ecoboost turbos were about $700 each and the newer diesel turbos were in the $2k+ range but I'm sure you have more reliable info.
You're right. I was wrong. Also I was thinking installed.
I would quote $2600.00+tax to replace both turbos on a 3.5EB and $2990.00+tax for the 6.7 diesel. I would also add some extra $$ for random misc stuff like coolant, etc.
Post by: jackelope on December 20, 2019, 11:54:37 AM
Imagine a 5.0 ecoboost?!?
I've been begging Ford to do a 5.0 Ecoboost for years, that, and for god sake, change that ugly azz grill in the F150's. I'm a Ford guy and was forced to buy a new GMC because of it.
You know you can buy aftermarket grill kits right?
And which grill specifically. It seems like there are like 5 different grills.
Post by: Stein on December 20, 2019, 12:34:35 PM
It takes time, they put a bunch of dough and time in the twin turbo 6's, I would wait for the 8's to catch up before I dropped a pile.
If the 3.5 can tow 12,000#, something in the 5 neighborhood should be able to get in the neighborhood of 15k boosted, at least on paper from an electrical guy. That would cover 99.99% of weekend towing applications at 20 mpg and no blue tank or $4,000 turbos.
In my mind, the future is electrics and smaller gassers. Diesels are a square peg in a round US hole strictly from emissions. After the VW debacle, everyone and their brother will be doing a triple check on anything diesel as well as new laws we haven't seen yet. Diesel will get more complex and expensive and gas will get more powerful and cost effective.
The diesel's are pretty amazing out of the box, but at some point there won't be enough people that can afford to keep them the road to pull their monster for a week a year, especially when you can do it with gas.
The Ecoboost turbos are more $$ than the diesel turbos.
I heard the ecoboost turbos were about $700 each and the newer diesel turbos were in the $2k+ range but I'm sure you have more reliable info.
You're right. I was wrong. Also I was thinking installed.
I would quote $2600.00+tax to replace both turbos on a 3.5EB and $2990.00+tax for the 6.7 diesel. I would also add some extra $$ for random misc stuff like coolant, etc.
That's pretty close to the same cost. That cost wouldn't impact my decision to go one way our another.
I also agree on the grill comment, when I was looking for my truck it seemed like every truck I looked at had a different front.
Post by: b23 on December 20, 2019, 02:02:33 PM
Imagine a 5.0 ecoboost?!?
I've been begging Ford to do a 5.0 Ecoboost for years, that, and for god sake, change that ugly azz grill in the F150's. I'm a Ford guy and was forced to buy a new GMC because of it.
You know you can buy aftermarket grill kits right?
And which grill specifically. It seems like there are like 5 different grills.
I think all the 2020 Fords have the same looking grill except the Limited and Raptor. The grill in Limited I could live with but all the F150's, except the Raptor, sit so dam low you can't hardly tell them from a 2wd. I looked at a Raptor, but just couldn't bring myself to spending $5-10K OVER MSRP to have one.
GMC has their new AT4 model, Chevy has the equivalent but I don't recall what they call it, that comes from the factory with a 2in lift so they sit just a little higher and don't look so much like a grampa truck. My new GMC is certainly no Raptor, but, and this is coming from a Ford guy, the new GMC, IMO, is a better looking truck than the current F150's, excluding the Raptor. Only time will tell if it turns out to be as "good" a truck as all my Fords have been.
Post by: Special T on December 20, 2019, 04:54:50 PM
Imagine a 5.0 ecoboost?!?
I've been begging Ford to do a 5.0 Ecoboost for years, that, and for god sake, change that ugly azz grill in the F150's. I'm a Ford guy and was forced to buy a new GMC because of it.
You know you can buy aftermarket grill kits right?
And which grill specifically. It seems like there are like 5 different grills.
I think all the 2020 Fords have the same looking grill except the Limited and Raptor. The grill in Limited I could live with but all the F150's, except the Raptor, sit so dam low you can't hardly tell them from a 2wd. I looked at a Raptor, but just couldn't bring myself to spending $5-10K OVER MSRP to have one.
GMC has their new AT4 model, Chevy has the equivalent but I don't recall what they call it, that comes from the factory with a 2in lift so they sit just a little higher and don't look so much like a grampa truck. My new GMC is certainly no Raptor, but, and this is coming from a Ford guy, the new GMC, IMO, is a better looking truck than the current F150's, excluding the Raptor. Only time will tell if it turns out to be as "good" a truck as all my Fords have been.
But Raptors are FUN! and go anywhere FAST!
Post by: Stein on December 20, 2019, 05:23:44 PM
Imagine a 5.0 ecoboost?!?
I've been begging Ford to do a 5.0 Ecoboost for years, that, and for god sake, change that ugly azz grill in the F150's. I'm a Ford guy and was forced to buy a new GMC because of it.
You know you can buy aftermarket grill kits right?
And which grill specifically. It seems like there are like 5 different grills.
I think all the 2020 Fords have the same looking grill except the Limited and Raptor. The grill in Limited I could live with but all the F150's, except the Raptor, sit so dam low you can't hardly tell them from a 2wd. I looked at a Raptor, but just couldn't bring myself to spending $5-10K OVER MSRP to have one.
GMC has their new AT4 model, Chevy has the equivalent but I don't recall what they call it, that comes from the factory with a 2in lift so they sit just a little higher and don't look so much like a grampa truck. My new GMC is certainly no Raptor, but, and this is coming from a Ford guy, the new GMC, IMO, is a better looking truck than the current F150's, excluding the Raptor. Only time will tell if it turns out to be as "good" a truck as all my Fords have been.
They may be the same, but some are chrome, some are painted to match, some are black and it makes them look all different. That is before all the aftermarket parts get bolted on.
I'm the opposite, Chev guy that bought a Ford. The 15+ models from Ford look soooo much better than Chev, not to mention the engines and interior. Looks like we cancel each other out and keep the universal balance in place. Last Ford I owned was a 67 in high school and I think that was the last time Ford made a better looking truck than Chev. :chuckle:
Post by: Mudman on December 21, 2019, 10:26:12 AM
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Post by: kirkl on February 04, 2020, 09:59:58 AM
And with some bolt ons there adding another 200hp
https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/enthusiasts/fords-73-liter-v-8-can-make-600-naturally-aspirated-horsepower-with-basic-mods/ar-BBZC4PB?ocid=spartandhp
Post by: bod on March 09, 2020, 02:01:36 PM
Post by: jackelope on March 09, 2020, 04:23:04 PM
Anyone test drove the new ford 7.3 gas or the chevy 6.6 gas ?
I haven't even seen the Ford yet.
:dunno:
Post by: C-Money on March 10, 2020, 06:39:38 AM
Post by: Angry Perch on March 10, 2020, 09:51:43 AM
Post by: b23 on March 10, 2020, 12:29:35 PM
The GM 6.6 gas motor has 20 less HP than their 6.2 and the same torque. They have the same bore size but obviously the 6.6 has a little longer stroke. The 6.6 is a iron block with aluminium heads versus aluminium block and heads for their 6.2. Compression on the 6.6 is also lower than that of the 6.2.
It seems GM designed the 6.6 gas motor more for heavy working and longevity but I'm a little surprised they didn't build more power into them. Only time will tell, but I think the new Ford 7.3 gas motor will be the stronger choice.
Post by: syoungs on March 10, 2020, 01:49:49 PM
2.2 MPG. That trailer better be full of gas!
I doubt my 6.7 would get an appreciable amount more pulling the same load up the same hill.
Post by: kirkl on March 10, 2020, 04:17:24 PM
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Post by: follow maggie on March 10, 2020, 10:23:48 PM
The new DI 6.6 GM gas motor is a little puzzling, but maybe not given its intended purpose.
The GM 6.6 gas motor has 20 less HP than their 6.2 and the same torque. They have the same bore size but obviously the 6.6 has a little longer stroke. The 6.6 is a iron block with aluminium heads versus aluminium block and heads for their 6.2. Compression on the 6.6 is also lower than that of the 6.2.
It seems GM designed the 6.6 gas motor more for heavy working and longevity but I'm a little surprised they didn't build more power into them. Only time will tell, but I think the new Ford 7.3 gas motor will be the stronger choice.
I think they should have gone with a big block rather than the small block. I’d love to see an updated version of the 8.1 I have in my pickup.