2020 Ford 7.3 and GM 6.6 gas engines

[follow maggie]

One of my customers has changed his ford fleet out of diesels to gas. Everyone but his  450. I'll bet money that he is completely changed over soon.

You can tempt fate and put delete kitsch on personal rigs but the juice isnt woth the squeeze on the commercial end.

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I've got multiple large construction companies with hundreds of vehicles going away from diesel all together.  All the new emissions crap is no good for these trucks when they're sitting and running at idle for 75% of the day.

Are they more reliable if you minimize the idling time?

The problem is emissions stuff. You’ve got to run them to regen and burn themselves clean. So if you have a construction company guy driving a truck with a bunch of emissions stuff home every day on the freeway it’s probably fine. If it’s a yard  truck or that truck doesn’t get driven enough, that’s where you have problems.  These guys fire their trucks in the morning and shut them off at the end of the day.  They get out of the weather in them, have meetings in them, they’re making power, whatever. They never shut them off. They’re idling literally all day.

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[syoungs]

My 6.8 v10 would get 13.5 hiway on 35s with a leveling kit. I would expect the 7.3 to be somewhat close to that freeway. I'd say between 12-13 is easily doable.

I was disappointed with the power numbers, people were speculating higher, mated to the 10 speed is a game changer though!

[Stein]

It takes time, they put a bunch of dough and time in the twin turbo 6's, I would wait for the 8's to catch up before I dropped a pile.

If the 3.5 can tow 12,000#, something in the 5 neighborhood should be able to get in the neighborhood of 15k boosted, at least on paper from an electrical guy.  That would cover 99.99% of weekend towing applications at 20 mpg and no blue tank or $4,000 turbos.

In my mind, the future is electrics and smaller gassers.  Diesels are a square peg in a round US hole strictly from emissions.  After the VW debacle, everyone and their brother will be doing a triple check on anything diesel as well as new laws we haven't seen yet.  Diesel will get more complex and expensive and gas will get more powerful and cost effective.

The diesel's are pretty amazing out of the box, but at some point there won't be enough people that can afford to keep them the road to pull their monster for a week a year, especially when you can do it with gas.

[jackelope]

It takes time, they put a bunch of dough and time in the twin turbo 6's, I would wait for the 8's to catch up before I dropped a pile.

If the 3.5 can tow 12,000#, something in the 5 neighborhood should be able to get in the neighborhood of 15k boosted, at least on paper from an electrical guy.  That would cover 99.99% of weekend towing applications at 20 mpg and no blue tank or $4,000 turbos.

In my mind, the future is electrics and smaller gassers.  Diesels are a square peg in a round US hole strictly from emissions.  After the VW debacle, everyone and their brother will be doing a triple check on anything diesel as well as new laws we haven't seen yet.  Diesel will get more complex and expensive and gas will get more powerful and cost effective.

The diesel's are pretty amazing out of the box, but at some point there won't be enough people that can afford to keep them the road to pull their monster for a week a year, especially when you can do it with gas.

The Ecoboost turbos are more $$ than the diesel turbos.

[b23]

Imagine a 5.0 ecoboost?!?

I've been begging Ford to do a 5.0 Ecoboost for years, that, and for god sake, change that ugly azz grill in the F150's.  I'm a Ford guy and was forced to buy a new GMC because of it.

[Stein]

It takes time, they put a bunch of dough and time in the twin turbo 6's, I would wait for the 8's to catch up before I dropped a pile.

If the 3.5 can tow 12,000#, something in the 5 neighborhood should be able to get in the neighborhood of 15k boosted, at least on paper from an electrical guy.  That would cover 99.99% of weekend towing applications at 20 mpg and no blue tank or $4,000 turbos.

In my mind, the future is electrics and smaller gassers.  Diesels are a square peg in a round US hole strictly from emissions.  After the VW debacle, everyone and their brother will be doing a triple check on anything diesel as well as new laws we haven't seen yet.  Diesel will get more complex and expensive and gas will get more powerful and cost effective.

The diesel's are pretty amazing out of the box, but at some point there won't be enough people that can afford to keep them the road to pull their monster for a week a year, especially when you can do it with gas.

The Ecoboost turbos are more $$ than the diesel turbos.

I heard the ecoboost turbos were about $700 each and the newer diesel turbos were in the $2k+ range but I'm sure you have more reliable info.

[Special T]

Imagine a 5.0 ecoboost?!?

I've been begging Ford to do a 5.0 Ecoboost for years, that, and for god sake, change that ugly azz grill in the F150's.  I'm a Ford guy and was forced to buy a new GMC because of it.

You know you can buy aftermarket grill kits right?

[jackelope]

It takes time, they put a bunch of dough and time in the twin turbo 6's, I would wait for the 8's to catch up before I dropped a pile.

If the 3.5 can tow 12,000#, something in the 5 neighborhood should be able to get in the neighborhood of 15k boosted, at least on paper from an electrical guy.  That would cover 99.99% of weekend towing applications at 20 mpg and no blue tank or $4,000 turbos.

In my mind, the future is electrics and smaller gassers.  Diesels are a square peg in a round US hole strictly from emissions.  After the VW debacle, everyone and their brother will be doing a triple check on anything diesel as well as new laws we haven't seen yet.  Diesel will get more complex and expensive and gas will get more powerful and cost effective.

The diesel's are pretty amazing out of the box, but at some point there won't be enough people that can afford to keep them the road to pull their monster for a week a year, especially when you can do it with gas.

The Ecoboost turbos are more $$ than the diesel turbos.

I heard the ecoboost turbos were about $700 each and the newer diesel turbos were in the $2k+ range but I'm sure you have more reliable info.

You're right. I was wrong. Also I was thinking installed.

I would quote $2600.00+tax to replace both turbos on a 3.5EB and $2990.00+tax for the 6.7 diesel. I would also add some extra $$ for random misc stuff like coolant, etc.

[jackelope]

Imagine a 5.0 ecoboost?!?

I've been begging Ford to do a 5.0 Ecoboost for years, that, and for god sake, change that ugly azz grill in the F150's.  I'm a Ford guy and was forced to buy a new GMC because of it.

You know you can buy aftermarket grill kits right?

And which grill specifically. It seems like there are like 5 different grills.

[Stein]

It takes time, they put a bunch of dough and time in the twin turbo 6's, I would wait for the 8's to catch up before I dropped a pile.

If the 3.5 can tow 12,000#, something in the 5 neighborhood should be able to get in the neighborhood of 15k boosted, at least on paper from an electrical guy.  That would cover 99.99% of weekend towing applications at 20 mpg and no blue tank or $4,000 turbos.

In my mind, the future is electrics and smaller gassers.  Diesels are a square peg in a round US hole strictly from emissions.  After the VW debacle, everyone and their brother will be doing a triple check on anything diesel as well as new laws we haven't seen yet.  Diesel will get more complex and expensive and gas will get more powerful and cost effective.

The diesel's are pretty amazing out of the box, but at some point there won't be enough people that can afford to keep them the road to pull their monster for a week a year, especially when you can do it with gas.

The Ecoboost turbos are more $$ than the diesel turbos.

I heard the ecoboost turbos were about $700 each and the newer diesel turbos were in the $2k+ range but I'm sure you have more reliable info.

You're right. I was wrong. Also I was thinking installed.

I would quote $2600.00+tax to replace both turbos on a 3.5EB and $2990.00+tax for the 6.7 diesel. I would also add some extra $$ for random misc stuff like coolant, etc.

That's pretty close to the same cost.  That cost wouldn't impact my decision to go one way our another.

I also agree on the grill comment, when I was looking for my truck it seemed like every truck I looked at had a different front.

[b23]

Imagine a 5.0 ecoboost?!?

I've been begging Ford to do a 5.0 Ecoboost for years, that, and for god sake, change that ugly azz grill in the F150's.  I'm a Ford guy and was forced to buy a new GMC because of it.

You know you can buy aftermarket grill kits right?

And which grill specifically. It seems like there are like 5 different grills.

I think all the 2020 Fords have the same looking grill except the Limited and Raptor.  The grill in Limited I could live with but all the F150's, except the Raptor, sit so dam low you can't hardly tell them from a 2wd.  I looked at a Raptor, but just couldn't bring myself to spending $5-10K OVER MSRP to have one.

GMC has their new AT4 model, Chevy has the equivalent but I don't recall what they call it, that comes from the factory with a 2in lift so they sit just a little higher and don't look so much like a grampa truck.  My new GMC is certainly no Raptor, but, and this is coming from a Ford guy, the new GMC, IMO, is a better looking truck than the current F150's, excluding the Raptor.  Only time will tell if it turns out to be as "good" a truck as all my Fords have been.

[Special T]

Imagine a 5.0 ecoboost?!?

I've been begging Ford to do a 5.0 Ecoboost for years, that, and for god sake, change that ugly azz grill in the F150's.  I'm a Ford guy and was forced to buy a new GMC because of it.

You know you can buy aftermarket grill kits right?

And which grill specifically. It seems like there are like 5 different grills.

I think all the 2020 Fords have the same looking grill except the Limited and Raptor.  The grill in Limited I could live with but all the F150's, except the Raptor, sit so dam low you can't hardly tell them from a 2wd.  I looked at a Raptor, but just couldn't bring myself to spending $5-10K OVER MSRP to have one.

GMC has their new AT4 model, Chevy has the equivalent but I don't recall what they call it, that comes from the factory with a 2in lift so they sit just a little higher and don't look so much like a grampa truck.  My new GMC is certainly no Raptor, but, and this is coming from a Ford guy, the new GMC, IMO, is a better looking truck than the current F150's, excluding the Raptor.  Only time will tell if it turns out to be as "good" a truck as all my Fords have been.

But Raptors are FUN! and go anywhere FAST!

[Stein]

Imagine a 5.0 ecoboost?!?

I've been begging Ford to do a 5.0 Ecoboost for years, that, and for god sake, change that ugly azz grill in the F150's.  I'm a Ford guy and was forced to buy a new GMC because of it.

You know you can buy aftermarket grill kits right?

And which grill specifically. It seems like there are like 5 different grills.

I think all the 2020 Fords have the same looking grill except the Limited and Raptor.  The grill in Limited I could live with but all the F150's, except the Raptor, sit so dam low you can't hardly tell them from a 2wd.  I looked at a Raptor, but just couldn't bring myself to spending $5-10K OVER MSRP to have one.

GMC has their new AT4 model, Chevy has the equivalent but I don't recall what they call it, that comes from the factory with a 2in lift so they sit just a little higher and don't look so much like a grampa truck.  My new GMC is certainly no Raptor, but, and this is coming from a Ford guy, the new GMC, IMO, is a better looking truck than the current F150's, excluding the Raptor.  Only time will tell if it turns out to be as "good" a truck as all my Fords have been.

They may be the same, but some are chrome, some are painted to match, some are black and it makes them look all different.  That is before all the aftermarket parts get bolted on.

I'm the opposite, Chev guy that bought a Ford.  The 15+ models from Ford look soooo much better than Chev, not to mention the engines and interior.  Looks like we cancel each other out and keep the universal balance in place.  Last Ford I owned was a 67 in high school and I think that was the last time Ford made a better looking truck than Chev.

[Mudman]

Keep in mind the new 7.3 HP TQ #'s are much better then the listed #.  These engines are making high power thru broad even rpm's instead of aggressive peak # at high rpm like most.  This is a game changer when towing imop.  Instead of revving your v-10 or ecoboost to 4500rpm to get that higher power the new 7.3 comes on low like a diesel and maintains it over 4000rpm.  Much better performance.

[Buzz2401]

I've always been a Chevy guy.  Have the 8.1l big block now.  Hoping the new Ford 7.3 is a good motor because it would be a good replacement for me in a few years.