Post by: no.cen.wa on December 28, 2019, 09:34:55 PM
Post by: KFhunter on December 28, 2019, 09:40:59 PM
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Post by: 444Marlin on December 28, 2019, 10:41:08 PM
I'm wondering how they believe that "Invasive Species" is a management tool?!
I wish they provided more information on the Sage Grouse management plan that was too restrictive. I agree they shouldn't list the sage grouse, and many various key stakeholders are working together on the issues. I've always believed that what's good for the bird is good for the herd.
Post by: no.cen.wa on December 29, 2019, 08:32:14 AM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on December 29, 2019, 08:42:50 AM
Post by: no.cen.wa on December 29, 2019, 08:49:01 AM
I posted this so people, us the hunters, would look and get as much info as we can, our hunting traditions are going away.
Vote Vote, get the anti's out of office!
Post by: bearpaw on December 29, 2019, 09:00:31 AM
I would encourage all to take a look at www.biggameforever.org. Lots of information on the reintroduction of wolves,,, from a HUNTERS viewpoint! and many ideas to combat it.
(some background)
This group strongly supported the legislation that resulted in congress delisting wolves in the Rocky Mountains (ID, MT, WY, Eastern WA). Like all groups there are some people who don't like them for other reasons, but this group has been at the forefront of helping to get wolves delisted, they have the ear of certain members of congress, they need to show as broad of support for delisting as possible. They started in Utah and if you look at wolf recovery plans you will see that Utah has a much better plan than any other western state I know of, that is in large part due to work by this organization's leaders.
Post by: KFhunter on December 29, 2019, 10:25:03 AM
I would encourage all to take a look at www.biggameforever.org. Lots of information on the reintroduction of wolves,,, from a HUNTERS viewpoint! and many ideas to combat it.
(some background)
This group strongly supported the legislation that resulted in congress delisting wolves in the Rocky Mountains (ID, MT, WY, Eastern WA). Like all groups there are some people who don't like them for other reasons, but this group has been at the forefront of helping to get wolves delisted, they have the ear of certain members of congress, they need to show as broad of support for delisting as possible. They started in Utah and if you look at wolf recovery plans you will see that Utah has a much better plan than any other western state I know of, that is in large part due to work by this organization's leaders.
Sounds like a great place to spend my RMEF money.
Post by: cooltimber on December 29, 2019, 10:25:30 AM
Post by: idahohuntr on December 29, 2019, 11:48:39 AM
That's actually false, they opposed the Simpson-Tester delisting and in the end all major reputable sportsman organizations denounced them and their antics in a very strong way. Once the delisting was official and survived legal challenges bgf then swooped in and tried to take credit and act as if they helped/supported...a very corrupt organization. A couple of links for folks interested in reading the truth about bgf:I would encourage all to take a look at www.biggameforever.org. Lots of information on the reintroduction of wolves,,, from a HUNTERS viewpoint! and many ideas to combat it.
(some background)
This group strongly supported the legislation that resulted in congress delisting wolves in the Rocky Mountains (ID, MT, WY, Eastern WA). Like all groups there are some people who don't like them for other reasons, but this group has been at the forefront of helping to get wolves delisted
https://billingsgazette.com/lifestyles/recreation/gazoutdoors/national-groups-distance-themselves-from-sportsmen-for-fish-and-wildlife/article_e8040da9-af35-54c3-8cc6-44cedc466bfd.html
https://www.hunttalk.com/threads/wolf-wing-nuts-lose-again.250214/#js-post-2224008
Post by: KFhunter on December 29, 2019, 11:57:43 AM
All these .ORGs and so much confusion!!
We need a .ORG to grade all these .ORGs for honesty!!!
Like green decoy!
BAHAHAHHAHA!!!
:peep:
Post by: Bango skank on December 29, 2019, 12:11:24 PM
Post by: boneaddict on December 29, 2019, 12:43:21 PM
Post by: Bango skank on December 29, 2019, 12:45:05 PM
Hoping to call a couple in later this week in unit 4.
Post by: boneaddict on December 29, 2019, 12:51:41 PM
Post by: bearpaw on December 29, 2019, 01:03:37 PM
That's actually false, they opposed the Simpson-Tester delisting and in the end all major reputable sportsman organizations denounced them and their antics in a very strong way. Once the delisting was official and survived legal challenges bgf then swooped in and tried to take credit and act as if they helped/supported...a very corrupt organization. A couple of links for folks interested in reading the truth about bgf:I would encourage all to take a look at www.biggameforever.org. Lots of information on the reintroduction of wolves,,, from a HUNTERS viewpoint! and many ideas to combat it.
(some background)
This group strongly supported the legislation that resulted in congress delisting wolves in the Rocky Mountains (ID, MT, WY, Eastern WA). Like all groups there are some people who don't like them for other reasons, but this group has been at the forefront of helping to get wolves delisted
https://billingsgazette.com/lifestyles/recreation/gazoutdoors/national-groups-distance-themselves-from-sportsmen-for-fish-and-wildlife/article_e8040da9-af35-54c3-8cc6-44cedc466bfd.html
https://www.hunttalk.com/threads/wolf-wing-nuts-lose-again.250214/#js-post-2224008
LOL, I figured it wouldn't take long for IDH to express his negative thoughts. The link he sends you to in Billings is likely a hit job article originating from BHA based in MT, who is one of the primary organizations exposed by the green decoys website. https://www.greendecoys.com/decoys/backcountry-hunters-and-anglers/
The other link is to a handful of guys making clams like IDH.
I remember signing petitions on this forum by Big game Forever to support wolf delisting and other worthwhile issues. I know for a fact that Big game Forever was actively promoting the delisting of wolves for many years, I've had phone calls with the leaders of BGF regarding wolf issues and meetings with legislators. How many times has BHA promoted petitions to garner support for wolf delisting? I am not telling anyone to send your money anywhere, or to end your membership with any other organization, but you might want to at least sign a petition supporting the Trump Administration in delisting wolves, that seems like a no-brainer to me? You can do that right now with BGF! It doesn't cost a cent to support delisting wolves in all 48 states!
past Big Game Forever actions:
2010: https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,54548.msg668466.html#msg668466 (Petition to US Congress)
2011: https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,82293.msg1022204.html#msg1022204 (Letter to Washington WDFW)
2013: https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,117069.msg1541784.html#msg1541784 (Letter to Montana FWP)
2015: https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,174755.msg2310785.html#msg2310785 (How the ESA is being abused)
2017: https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,208556.msg2776001.html#msg2776001 (Protecting States Rights to manage wildlife)
Post by: idahohuntr on December 29, 2019, 01:26:11 PM
So SCI and the NRA are green decoys too huh? They strongly condemned BGF...unless you are alleging the whole article was made up.That's actually false, they opposed the Simpson-Tester delisting and in the end all major reputable sportsman organizations denounced them and their antics in a very strong way. Once the delisting was official and survived legal challenges bgf then swooped in and tried to take credit and act as if they helped/supported...a very corrupt organization. A couple of links for folks interested in reading the truth about bgf:I would encourage all to take a look at www.biggameforever.org. Lots of information on the reintroduction of wolves,,, from a HUNTERS viewpoint! and many ideas to combat it.
(some background)
This group strongly supported the legislation that resulted in congress delisting wolves in the Rocky Mountains (ID, MT, WY, Eastern WA). Like all groups there are some people who don't like them for other reasons, but this group has been at the forefront of helping to get wolves delisted
https://billingsgazette.com/lifestyles/recreation/gazoutdoors/national-groups-distance-themselves-from-sportsmen-for-fish-and-wildlife/article_e8040da9-af35-54c3-8cc6-44cedc466bfd.html
https://www.hunttalk.com/threads/wolf-wing-nuts-lose-again.250214/#js-post-2224008
LOL, I figured it wouldn't take long for IDH to express his negative thoughts. The link he sends you to in Billings is likely a hit job article originating from BHA based in MT, who is one of the primary organizations exposed by the green decoys website. https://www.greendecoys.com/decoys/backcountry-hunters-and-anglers/
The other link is to a handful of guys making clams like IDH.
I remember signing petitions on this forum by Big game Forever to support wolf delisting and other worthwhile issues. I know for a fact that Big game Forever was actively promoting the delisting of wolves for many years, I've had phone calls with the leaders of BGF regarding wolf issues and meetings with legislators. How many times has BHA promoted petitions to garner support for wolf delisting? I am not telling anyone to send your money anywhere, or to end your membership with any other organization, but you might want to at least sign a petition supporting the Trump Administration in delisting wolves, that seems like a no-brainer to me? You can do that right now with BGF! It doesn't cost a cent to support delisting wolves in all 48 states!
past Big Game Forever actions:
2010: https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,54548.msg668466.html#msg668466 (Petition to US Congress)
2011: https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,82293.msg1022204.html#msg1022204 (Letter to Washington WDFW)
2013: https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,117069.msg1541784.html#msg1541784 (Letter to Montana FWP)
2015: https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,174755.msg2310785.html#msg2310785 (How the ESA is being abused)
2017: https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,208556.msg2776001.html#msg2776001 (Protecting States Rights to manage wildlife)
Post by: KFhunter on December 29, 2019, 01:29:47 PM
Post by: bearpaw on December 29, 2019, 02:13:05 PM
So SCI and the NRA are green decoys too huh? They strongly condemned BGF...unless you are alleging the whole article was made up.That's actually false, they opposed the Simpson-Tester delisting and in the end all major reputable sportsman organizations denounced them and their antics in a very strong way. Once the delisting was official and survived legal challenges bgf then swooped in and tried to take credit and act as if they helped/supported...a very corrupt organization. A couple of links for folks interested in reading the truth about bgf:I would encourage all to take a look at www.biggameforever.org. Lots of information on the reintroduction of wolves,,, from a HUNTERS viewpoint! and many ideas to combat it.
(some background)
This group strongly supported the legislation that resulted in congress delisting wolves in the Rocky Mountains (ID, MT, WY, Eastern WA). Like all groups there are some people who don't like them for other reasons, but this group has been at the forefront of helping to get wolves delisted
https://billingsgazette.com/lifestyles/recreation/gazoutdoors/national-groups-distance-themselves-from-sportsmen-for-fish-and-wildlife/article_e8040da9-af35-54c3-8cc6-44cedc466bfd.html
https://www.hunttalk.com/threads/wolf-wing-nuts-lose-again.250214/#js-post-2224008
LOL, I figured it wouldn't take long for IDH to express his negative thoughts. The link he sends you to in Billings is likely a hit job article originating from BHA based in MT, who is one of the primary organizations exposed by the green decoys website. https://www.greendecoys.com/decoys/backcountry-hunters-and-anglers/
The other link is to a handful of guys making clams like IDH.
I remember signing petitions on this forum by Big game Forever to support wolf delisting and other worthwhile issues. I know for a fact that Big game Forever was actively promoting the delisting of wolves for many years, I've had phone calls with the leaders of BGF regarding wolf issues and meetings with legislators. How many times has BHA promoted petitions to garner support for wolf delisting? I am not telling anyone to send your money anywhere, or to end your membership with any other organization, but you might want to at least sign a petition supporting the Trump Administration in delisting wolves, that seems like a no-brainer to me? You can do that right now with BGF! It doesn't cost a cent to support delisting wolves in all 48 states!
past Big Game Forever actions:
2010: https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,54548.msg668466.html#msg668466 (Petition to US Congress)
2011: https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,82293.msg1022204.html#msg1022204 (Letter to Washington WDFW)
2013: https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,117069.msg1541784.html#msg1541784 (Letter to Montana FWP)
2015: https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,174755.msg2310785.html#msg2310785 (How the ESA is being abused)
2017: https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,208556.msg2776001.html#msg2776001 (Protecting States Rights to manage wildlife)
If you view the green decoys website it doesn't mention NRA or SCI.
https://www.greendecoys.com/decoys/backcountry-hunters-and-anglers/
Honestly I can't address the dispute that Big Game forever said the wrong thing once a few years ago, I really don't know what happened, nor do i care at this point, if they did say the wrong thing hopefully they learned from that mistake!
My main concern in this topic is getting wolves delisted, and it appears BGF is doing a lot more than BHA in that regard? If you don't want to support the Trump Admin to delist wolves through the handy BGF software that is your option!
Post by: no.cen.wa on December 29, 2019, 02:49:23 PM
Post by: idahohuntr on December 29, 2019, 03:10:25 PM
I didn't want to have members get in a pissing match, just want people to look at the BGF website for info on things that can be done, I haven't sent them any money but have signed the delist petition, didn't hurt a bit :IBCOOL:No worries. Bearpaw wants to drag this into a debate on BHA but I'm not going to entertain the distraction. I simply wanted to point out where BGF failed on previous wolf de-listing efforts and so I would urge caution and encourage research before joining or sending them money if actual wolf de-listing is your goal. That said, I see no issue with using BGF's automated petition to send information to elected officials...its a convenient tool I suppose. :tup:
Post by: bearpaw on December 29, 2019, 03:29:05 PM
I see no issue with using BGF's automated petition to send information to elected officials...its a convenient tool I suppose. :tup:
Totally agree! :tup: