Post by: Special T on January 08, 2020, 08:48:57 AM
Ive heard in this HP range that most of the motors are made by 2 companies. This will be my first new motor and 4 stroke so i would love to hear your experiences and or direction to good articles on the subject.
Thank you for you input.
Post by: Encore 280 on January 08, 2020, 08:51:41 AM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on January 08, 2020, 08:56:03 AM
I picked up a brand new 2.5 a couple months ago with 6 years of warranty for 995.00
Still looking at a 8-15 for another boat.
Post by: Encore 280 on January 08, 2020, 08:58:15 AM
Post by: Special T on January 08, 2020, 09:00:13 AM
E-TEC all the way. Or Yamaha.
That yamaha F25 is looking pretty good and light to boot
Post by: Encore 280 on January 08, 2020, 09:13:16 AM
Post by: Henrydog on January 08, 2020, 09:21:56 AM
I now have 937 hours on the motor. Only issue I had was 2 years ago when a ground wire on the block was loose, I think in happened during a storm and some rough water.
I work in the Marine industry, and grew up in many boats. 2 thinks I will say 1) I will never own a 2 stroke again 2) power trim on a tiller is priceless
Post by: Henrydog on January 08, 2020, 09:39:53 AM
Steves Marine in Portland has a used 30 Looking at the photo it is electric start and has power trim on the back of the tiller stick. No sales tax in Oregon
Post by: Pnwrider on January 08, 2020, 09:59:50 AM
Post by: Stein on January 08, 2020, 10:17:19 AM
Every shop has parts and fluid for those two brands which is a big deal for me.
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Post by: fishngamereaper on January 08, 2020, 11:08:28 AM
Post by: Encore 280 on January 08, 2020, 12:22:23 PM
Post by: Switchback on January 08, 2020, 12:53:03 PM
Electric start is awesome, I have that but manual tilt. You'll love it on cold mornings. There's still a pull start if you get all sentimental or forget the battery. Also - I think the yamahas are one of the few (only?) electric starts that can run without a battery? Good chance I'm wrong on that - but I think I remember reading something about it when I was looking at motors. Hate to be dead in water because of a bad battery.
The Etecs also seem pretty cool, with no break-in and self winterizing. But if it's a duck boat are you really gonna need to winterize it?
Post by: Henrydog on January 08, 2020, 01:14:41 PM
I have a yamaha 25, one of the new ones (2018) that are real light compared to the previous gen. It's been great. Only thing is I feel like it has less torque, and I think the reason it's lighter is because it's a 2 cylinder instead of 3, and could be why I feel there's less torque than other 25s I've used. Although it could just be me, I have a fairly heavy small boat and my other experience has been with light small boats. Also not sure how much getup you really want/need with a boat full of dudes, dogs and decoys at 5am. Don't wanna spill your coffee or anything. You can also kick it into shallow drive mode real easy because of how light it is, just flip a tab and pull the motor up.
Electric start is awesome, I have that but manual tilt. You'll love it on cold mornings. There's still a pull start if you get all sentimental or forget the battery. Also - I think the yamahas are one of the few (only?) electric starts that can run without a battery? Good chance I'm wrong on that - but I think I remember reading something about it when I was looking at motors. Hate to be dead in water because of a bad battery.
The Etecs also seem pretty cool, with no break-in and self winterizing. But if it's a duck boat are you really gonna need to winterize it?
My 07 Merc is battery less if needed. You pull the cord once to give it a charge...then it fires right up. The real reason I am reply is you feel you need more torque drop the pitch of the prop...or go to a 4 blade. Mine is on a light Lund it too me a couple of trys to dial in the best top end vs low end.
Post by: Chesterdog on January 08, 2020, 01:41:48 PM
Post by: throwingsticks on January 08, 2020, 02:45:00 PM
I know a metric s...ton of people in the marine indusrty from dealer's, to mechanics, to captains...yamaha, zuk, Honda in that order...avoid 2 strokes. There is a reason Merc lost a government contract. :twocents:I didn't know mercury lost the gov contract, that seemed like a huge amount of their sales... Go to any fishing village from here to AK and you are likely to see yammies hanging off 90%+ of the boats. However, for the little 25hp, I am not up to date, but it use to be that tohatsu would make most of them anyway, so you are just paying for your favorite color and name on the side.
second the avoid etecs....
Post by: Badhabit on January 08, 2020, 02:58:24 PM
Post by: Henrydog on January 08, 2020, 04:21:14 PM
Post by: Badhabit on January 08, 2020, 04:25:35 PM
Post by: Encore 280 on January 08, 2020, 07:01:21 PM
Post by: fishngamereaper on January 08, 2020, 07:10:34 PM
Another reason to go E TEC, no oil changes, no timing belt changes, no break in. Only down side, not that many shops equip'd to work on them. Check the E TEC website.
:chuckle: common...I can change the oil in my yami twice a year for the cost of two gallons of xd100 oil...and the timing belt is on average a 1000 hour service..unless you charter it takes most guys 5-6 years to hit 1000hrs.. I'm glad you've had good luck with your etec..
But I've run them professionally and know guys that had them for personal use ..all garbage.. :twocents:
Post by: Encore 280 on January 08, 2020, 07:36:40 PM
Post by: throwingsticks on January 08, 2020, 07:47:00 PM
Not any different than Ford, Cheby, or Dodge, Ford rules as does E TEC. :chuckle:
hope you have AAA and BoatUS :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: fishngamereaper on January 08, 2020, 08:08:04 PM
Not any different than Ford, Cheby, or Dodge, Ford rules as does E TEC. :chuckle:
Oh, now u Wana start that conversation.... :chuckle::chuckle:
I digress, back on topic.
Post by: KFhunter on January 08, 2020, 08:52:36 PM
20hp ss tiller
10 hp kicker
140hp
all late model 2017 ish
not a lick of problems with any of them, been great
Post by: gutsnthegrass on January 09, 2020, 09:19:25 AM
Post by: Encore 280 on January 09, 2020, 09:28:07 AM
Post by: Henrydog on January 09, 2020, 09:35:05 AM
Is it true that Tohatsu makes all the 25hp and under mercury motors? Is Tohatsu a good brand?
Yes and Yes.