Post by: carpsniperg2 on January 13, 2020, 03:45:09 PM
So which one is better to focus efforts on? Any master want to teach a newbie or have any info to share?
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on January 13, 2020, 04:26:00 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on January 13, 2020, 05:22:23 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on January 13, 2020, 06:10:20 PM
Your going to have to elaborate. I think chuming fish is illegal in fresh water?
Wow, you’re right on those lakes you can’t.🤔
Up here on Baker lake you can.👍
We’ll have fun, chumming makes it somewhat easier.🤣
Post by: Not selected on January 13, 2020, 07:15:25 PM
Post by: fowl smacker on January 13, 2020, 07:23:55 PM
Post by: Alchase on January 13, 2020, 07:43:39 PM
A flasher (or willow blade string) with a snubber. Kokes have a soft moth, snubbers help keep the hooks in their mouth.
Then 24” - 36” leader to a Double Wammy (or wedding ring) with the hooks replaced with Gamakatsu reds.
On the top hook a couple white shoe peg corn kernels. On the bottom hook a couple of pink Powerbait maggots, only pink seem to work.
Troll at 0.5 to 1.0 mph between 25 and 50 feet depending on where the fish are.
And while trolling, do “S” patterns. The “s” patterns will slowdown and speed up your bait and trigger strikes. When retrieving a koke, they will start to spin like an alligators death roll when they reach the surface. This is where most Kokes are lost. If they start to spin, stick your pole tip in the water and slow your retrieve just a little, they will stop spinning long enough to net.
If they are not biting, I simple change in color usually will make the difference, or throw a hoochie on.
Good luck!
Post by: carpsniperg2 on January 13, 2020, 08:17:16 PM
I have some wedding rings/bill squids/squid spinners etc and some doggers.
I picked up some sling blades in uv with different colors. What do y'all like for a dodgers? lake trolls etc?
Going to watch a few seminars at the shows and pick up some more gear.
Going to grab some snubbers thank you for the tip alchase. Do you do main like to snubber and snubber to dodger or put in some line between the 2?
Post by: h20hunter on January 13, 2020, 08:19:41 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on January 13, 2020, 08:45:50 PM
Post by: h20hunter on January 13, 2020, 08:51:56 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on January 13, 2020, 08:55:54 PM
Got to get a longer net for the boats as well. I see the trend of super long handles must be cause they pop a lot off lol
Post by: Jason on January 13, 2020, 09:45:01 PM
Hard to beat some pop gear with a wedding ring and a piece of shoe peg corn:yeah:
Post by: carpsniperg2 on January 13, 2020, 09:59:11 PM
Post by: ELKBURGER on January 14, 2020, 07:46:26 AM
Let me know when you're thinking about heading up, maybe I can treat you to a burger at Cougar bar and grill! Btw, the quad is working great...as expected.
Post by: Jason on January 14, 2020, 07:52:50 AM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on January 14, 2020, 09:07:03 AM
I found a cheat sheet for trolling in Merwin last night so gives me a place to start for sure. Going to look around today to see if someone has made one for Yale as well. Always good to know where the prop killers are and some good areas to work.
Post by: cavemann on January 14, 2020, 09:24:58 AM
If you get on a school don't be afraid the kill the trolling motor for about 30 seconds and let that lure/bait flutter down. They are chasers and will follow your gear for awhile but pretty sluggish this time of year. Be ready for strikes when making your turns and slow downs. And slow, slow, slow is key as mentioned.
Post by: dilleytech on January 14, 2020, 11:25:54 AM
Post by: Alchase on January 14, 2020, 11:35:52 AM
The clown multi color is good....i try and stay away from chrome and flash.....purples are good on my lake. I also like little hoochies as you can kinda fill em with scent. Lots of folks swear by the always be turning...long line out the back allows the gear to travel through water you haven't driven. Let's see.....get to a place that is your happy place....little buggers come unpinned super easy. Once you get a few i like to take the head off, gut em, season and grill whole. Nom nom nom.
As H20 said, multi-color flashers work great.
I went out to look at my sets. I keep four poles rigged for kokes, and take all of them so I can switch up without wasting to much time.
Three of the four currently have (different) multi-colored flashers with pink/purple the predominant color on them.
Two of those three have Double Whammy's and the third has a pink and silver Hoochie.
The fourth has a Willow Blade string and a Wedding Ring on it.
I pre-tie all my sets with swivel hasps, and wrap them around about 8 inches of foam Pool Noodle.
(Buy them at the bargain store for a $1.00 for 4 feet, just like a Lindy Rigger if you would rather purchase them).
To switch out, just open the swivel under the sinker and put the new one on.
Ready to fish in seconds.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on January 14, 2020, 12:04:41 PM
Probably be a bit before I get there.
Love me some pool noodles! I burn through about 5/6 a year! Just started tying shad darts the other day and they work great to!!!
I have been tying some stuff up with snap locks when the bite is on or switching stuff up it sure saves a guy some time.
Post by: h20hunter on January 14, 2020, 12:09:00 PM
Post by: Alchase on January 14, 2020, 12:11:08 PM
Going to grab some snubbers thank you for the tip alchase. Do you do main like to snubber and snubber to dodger or put in some line between the 2?
Depends on the set.
If I am running a Hoochie (or Kokanee Killer), I shorten the leader to 18" and put the snubber after the sinker, in front of the flasher, so it won't hinder the action the flasher gives the Hoochie.
If running a Wedding Ring or Double Whammy, I use a longer leader (24" - 36") they have their own spinner, do not need the flasher to add action. I put the snubber after the flasher and tie the leader to it.
Kokanee only eat zooplankton. They are not trying to eat your lure/bait. They are attacking it because it pissed them off, LOL.
Really any shiny object can do that.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on January 14, 2020, 12:15:14 PM
Post by: Alchase on January 14, 2020, 12:41:09 PM
Awesome stuff guys appreciate it and some great info!
Probably be a bit before I get there.
Love me some pool noodles! I burn through about 5/6 a year! Just started tying shad darts the other day and they work great to!!!
I have been tying some stuff up with snap locks when the bite is on or switching stuff up it sure saves a guy some time.
Nice
Post by: h20hunter on January 14, 2020, 12:43:27 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on January 14, 2020, 01:14:36 PM
Post by: h20hunter on January 14, 2020, 01:15:49 PM
Post by: dilleytech on January 14, 2020, 01:42:15 PM
How long is everyones leaders on average?
8-10”
Post by: h20hunter on January 14, 2020, 01:44:44 PM
Post by: fowl smacker on January 14, 2020, 01:49:04 PM
Post by: cavemann on January 14, 2020, 01:49:28 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on January 14, 2020, 02:28:51 PM
what about line? all my line counters are braid 30/50lb line that going to be to rough on the fish? been tying stuff up with 10/15 mono for leaders.
Post by: NorseNW on January 14, 2020, 07:48:47 PM
Leader length - 1.5 to 2 times the size of your dodger (I'm a dodger and not a pop can fan as well) basically that means 8-12 inch leaders to allow the dodger to transfer the action back to the lure.
I started with snubbers and pop gear a few moons ago. Lost a bunch of fish and couldn't feel them on the line. Switched to 7'6" Okuma kokanee rods on downriggers with the dodger setups. Much nicer and I can actually feel the fish and land it.
For trolling I would not suggest the braided line. Not enough give for the soft mouths. Maybe okay to use with the snubbers but still a gamble in my opinion.
Most popular place on Yale seems to be the opposite side of the lake from the Yale Lake park launch. Run straight across to the other side and troll that side. I launch out of the other launch (Saddle Dam) and do just fine circling around the coves and cuts on that end of the lake.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on January 14, 2020, 08:19:27 PM
Post by: h20hunter on January 14, 2020, 08:38:05 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on January 14, 2020, 09:39:04 PM
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Post by: carpsniperg2 on January 15, 2020, 08:28:31 AM
Thank you for the info. I did grab a couple of those Kokanee cut plugs to give a go as well. They have s pretty sweet action to them.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on January 15, 2020, 09:04:34 AM
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Post by: Ghost Hunter on January 15, 2020, 11:25:57 AM
Is there a good place to stay in the area?
Lewis River Inn, Woodland is a good choice. Lone Fir Resort in Cougar has rooms. I've got parking and turn around room in my driveway a mile from Speelyai Bay Rd.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on January 15, 2020, 11:46:37 AM
Post by: Curly on January 15, 2020, 01:17:02 PM
Post by: allen on January 15, 2020, 01:55:14 PM
Merwin has less fish, bigger fish, and 10 fish limit. Yale has more fish, smaller fish, and 15 fish limit.
I'm confused on the Kokanee regs, am I missing something? For land locked salmon you'd follow trout rules (5 fish limit) but Kokanee, even though it's a land locked salmon is considered a game fish & has a 10 fish limit, correct? Where does the 15 fish limit for Yale enter in? I can't find it in the regs.
Post by: Blacklab on January 15, 2020, 02:05:55 PM
Post by: cavemann on January 15, 2020, 02:11:58 PM
Landlocked Salmon Rules Where landlocked salmon rules apply, no sport catch record card is required for salmon, the season, daily limit, and size and gear restriction rules for salmon are the same as trout rules. The angler's combined catch of landlocked salmon and trout applies toward the trout limit.
for Merwin reservoir, it is landlacked salmon rules which are above.
MERWIN LAKE (Reservoir) - Clark/ Cowlitz Co.
ALL GAME FISH Statewide min. size/daily limit. SALMON Year-round Landlocked salmon rules.
Post by: dilleytech on January 18, 2020, 10:12:47 AM
Merwin has less fish, bigger fish, and 10 fish limit. Yale has more fish, smaller fish, and 15 fish limit.
I'm confused on the Kokanee regs, am I missing something? For land locked salmon you'd follow trout rules (5 fish limit) but Kokanee, even though it's a land locked salmon is considered a game fish & has a 10 fish limit, correct? Where does the 15 fish limit for Yale enter in? I can't find it in the regs.
I’m sorry apparently I was going off old info. Yale is also 10 fish limit. And I believe once you catch 10 at Merwin you can’t go to yale for another 10.
Post by: cavemann on January 18, 2020, 11:35:54 AM
Am I wrong here? it is confusing. As I see it, you can only go by the 10 Kokanee limit in lakes were the land locked salmon rules are not in affect. Correct?
Post by: dilleytech on January 20, 2020, 09:02:12 AM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on January 20, 2020, 09:31:10 AM