Post by: Blacklab on February 11, 2020, 09:32:34 AM
Post by: Jonathan_S on February 11, 2020, 10:07:27 AM
With the two (.243 and 6mm CM) that I've shot and worked on, it seems the grouping is almost all horizontal just like that and I think @Karl Blanchard has said the same with his.
The trigger gets even better with the upgraded spring :tup:
https://www.mcarbo.com/ruger-american-rifle-trigger-spring-kit.aspx
Post by: 2MANY on February 11, 2020, 10:17:16 AM
It will like them.
Post by: CoryTDF on February 11, 2020, 10:28:11 AM
I would run the Hornady 143 eld through it.+1 they just shoot too dang good not to.
It will like them.
Post by: fishngamereaper on February 11, 2020, 10:33:13 AM
Got better performance from Barnes Vor tx 127 and Federal accubond 140s...
Guess every rifle is different.
Post by: 2MANY on February 11, 2020, 10:35:20 AM
About a 6 rifle sample size.
Best factory 6.5 cm groups I've ever seen are 143eld.
Very comparable to hand loads.
Post by: Blacklab on February 11, 2020, 10:59:51 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 11, 2020, 11:06:38 AM
I shoot the 140 hunting vld and also load the same powder charge under a 123 eldm in my nephew's rifle. I'm a eldx hater but they do shoot well.
It'll do this with 5 shots till the cows come home with the vld's
Post by: 2MANY on February 11, 2020, 11:19:22 AM
Post by: Jonathan_S on February 11, 2020, 11:23:29 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 11, 2020, 11:26:14 AM
You don't have cows.tell me about it! I keep having to shoot 100 yard groups waiting for some to come home :bash:
Post by: 2MANY on February 11, 2020, 11:30:06 AM
Me?
I prefer getting excited and jerking the trigger.
Comes from years of shotgunning.
I admire your ability to poke it in the same hole but it seems like you waste a lot of paper that way.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 11, 2020, 11:34:30 AM
All hat, no cows, and killer groups.I use gluten free recycled paper though so its ok :tup:
Me?
I prefer getting excited and jerking the trigger.
Comes from years of shotgunning.
I admire your ability to poke it in the same hole but it seems like you waste a lot of paper that way.
Post by: Jonathan_S on February 11, 2020, 11:43:34 AM
Post by: 2MANY on February 11, 2020, 11:52:04 AM
Gonna tighten to 55 tonight.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 11, 2020, 11:57:07 AM
Just tossed the torque wrench in my rig.inch pounds NOT foot pounds sir :chuckle:
Gonna tighten to 55 tonight.
I think rugers actually says like 60-70 or something like that but I've been using 55 and it's worked well
Post by: BULLBLASTER on February 11, 2020, 12:05:17 PM
It’s amazing the accuracy that lower priced guns are capable of anymore.
:tup:
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 11, 2020, 12:10:01 PM
The lighter trigger spring might get some of the horizontal out of that middle target.it definitely has in all the ones I've messed with. I think a bit of the horizontal is the side to side slop in those factory triggers. Triggertech needs to see the untapped market for triggers that cost as much as the rifle :chuckle:
It’s amazing the accuracy that lower priced guns are capable of anymore.
:tup:
Post by: 2MANY on February 11, 2020, 12:27:40 PM
Once a 1.5
Always a 1.5
Post by: grundy53 on February 11, 2020, 12:52:59 PM
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Post by: 2MANY on February 11, 2020, 12:54:26 PM
They are certainly cheap.
Post by: grundy53 on February 11, 2020, 01:01:39 PM
What problem are you experiencing???Feeding issues. I have the older predator with the rotary magazine. Doing research on how to fix it I found it's a common problem. I found a "fix" for it where you open up the magazine and tighten the spring. But when I opened mine up it was a different style for some reason. I would gamble and try another magazine but don't know how many $40 magazines I would need to go through to find a good one. Now ruger is going to AI magazine's but don't sell just the bottom metal.
They are certainly cheap.
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Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 11, 2020, 01:09:59 PM
Post by: 2MANY on February 11, 2020, 01:10:08 PM
I would give em a call.
Post by: grundy53 on February 11, 2020, 01:18:29 PM
Cartridge not coming up or is the tip jamming into the front of the mag? The latter has been my only mag issues but I just dremel a bit out of the front and it solves the issue.It's coming up. But it comes up at a weird angle and doesn't hit the feed ramp right. So it misses the hole and jams into the corner of the action.
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Post by: grundy53 on February 11, 2020, 01:18:52 PM
I heard Ruger has acknowledged the problem and will send you an upgrade for free.Thanks. I will call them.
I would give em a call.
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Post by: grundy53 on February 11, 2020, 01:21:32 PM
I will add that it doesn't do it every time but often enough to be frustrating. Usually at least once per magazine.Cartridge not coming up or is the tip jamming into the front of the mag? The latter has been my only mag issues but I just dremel a bit out of the front and it solves the issue.It's coming up. But it comes up at a weird angle and doesn't hit the feed ramp right. So it misses the hole and jams into the corner of the action.
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Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 11, 2020, 01:26:17 PM
buddies 6 creedmoor did that with the ai magsI will add that it doesn't do it every time but often enough to be frustrating. Usually at least once per magazine.Cartridge not coming up or is the tip jamming into the front of the mag? The latter has been my only mag issues but I just dremel a bit out of the front and it solves the issue.It's coming up. But it comes up at a weird angle and doesn't hit the feed ramp right. So it misses the hole and jams into the corner of the action.
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Sent the whole gun back to ruger and they said it was fine. Got it back and it was still doing it. We ended up "shimming" the mag well and it changed how the mag sat in the gun. No more issues
Post by: grundy53 on February 11, 2020, 01:30:07 PM
Well dang. I was hoping switching to a different style of mag would help.buddies 6 creedmoor did that with the ai magsI will add that it doesn't do it every time but often enough to be frustrating. Usually at least once per magazine.Cartridge not coming up or is the tip jamming into the front of the mag? The latter has been my only mag issues but I just dremel a bit out of the front and it solves the issue.It's coming up. But it comes up at a weird angle and doesn't hit the feed ramp right. So it misses the hole and jams into the corner of the action.
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Sent the whole gun back to ruger and they said it was fine. Got it back and it was still doing it. We ended up "shimming" the mag well and it changed how the mag sat in the gun. No more issues
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Post by: huntnphool on February 11, 2020, 01:33:34 PM
Quote
On The Range
I had about 500 yards to play with, and a series of 5” plates hanging at the base of the berm. I had about 30 rounds of Hornady left, so I decided to get the barrel hot and see if would retain its accuracy. At 300 yards, I began whacking plates. I manipulated the bolt and transitioning to another plate. About 20 rounds later, the gun still couldn’t miss, so I backed up to 500 yards and got the same results with my last 10 rounds.
A few days later I taught a long range hunting class and let eight different shooters put rounds through the Predator at 400 yards. Everyone remarked how light and how soft shooting the rifle was. Some of the shooters had some very expensive rifles and scopes at the class. One such student remarked that he paid a couple thousand dollars to get his rifle to be able to do what the Predator was doing out of the box.
Post by: Blacklab on February 11, 2020, 01:36:18 PM
Post by: 2MANY on February 11, 2020, 02:08:39 PM
https://www.gunsamerica.com/digest/1000-yards-500-rifle-rugers-american-predator/QuoteOn The Range
I had about 500 yards to play with, and a series of 5” plates hanging at the base of the berm. I had about 30 rounds of Hornady left, so I decided to get the barrel hot and see if would retain its accuracy. At 300 yards, I began whacking plates. I manipulated the bolt and transitioning to another plate. About 20 rounds later, the gun still couldn’t miss, so I backed up to 500 yards and got the same results with my last 10 rounds.
A few days later I taught a long range hunting class and let eight different shooters put rounds through the Predator at 400 yards. Everyone remarked how light and how soft shooting the rifle was. Some of the shooters had some very expensive rifles and scopes at the class. One such student remarked that he paid a couple thousand dollars to get his rifle to be able to do what the Predator was doing out of the box.
After seeing my buddy's shoot.........
That's exactly why I have one now.
They just plain shoot.
Post by: huntnphool on February 11, 2020, 02:25:19 PM
https://www.gunsamerica.com/digest/1000-yards-500-rifle-rugers-american-predator/QuoteOn The Range
I had about 500 yards to play with, and a series of 5” plates hanging at the base of the berm. I had about 30 rounds of Hornady left, so I decided to get the barrel hot and see if would retain its accuracy. At 300 yards, I began whacking plates. I manipulated the bolt and transitioning to another plate. About 20 rounds later, the gun still couldn’t miss, so I backed up to 500 yards and got the same results with my last 10 rounds.
A few days later I taught a long range hunting class and let eight different shooters put rounds through the Predator at 400 yards. Everyone remarked how light and how soft shooting the rifle was. Some of the shooters had some very expensive rifles and scopes at the class. One such student remarked that he paid a couple thousand dollars to get his rifle to be able to do what the Predator was doing out of the box.
After seeing my buddy's shoot.........
That's exactly why I have one now.
They just plain shoot.
Pretty good write up about it, that is just a piece of it. ;)
Post by: fishngamereaper on February 11, 2020, 02:38:42 PM
Post by: dmoua on February 11, 2020, 11:22:49 PM
Post by: konradcountry on February 12, 2020, 09:39:57 AM
No custom work.
Post by: doubletall on February 14, 2020, 11:12:46 AM
I heard Ruger has acknowledged the problem and will send you an upgrade for free.
I would give em a call.
I called Ruger and had a new one on my porch in a couple days.
Post by: sjhgraysage on February 15, 2020, 07:50:56 PM
I know it costs nearly as much as the gun, but the factory stock seems flimsy.
My son picked up a used RA in 6.5 Creedmoor, we has only tried shooting ot once, but it acts like it will shoot. I think the trigger spring upgrade will help a bunch
Post by: grundy53 on February 15, 2020, 08:34:04 PM
Has any one tried putting one in the Bell & Carlson aftermarket stock?I've been thinking about it.
I know it costs nearly as much as the gun, but the factory stock seems flimsy.
My son picked up a used RA in 6.5 Creedmoor, we has only tried shooting ot once, but it acts like it will shoot. I think the trigger spring upgrade will help a bunch
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Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 15, 2020, 08:37:23 PM
Post by: grundy53 on February 15, 2020, 09:21:14 PM
MDT makes a chassis for them. 1.4lb. B&C makes a good stock though. It would be a solid improvement. I dropped mine in a magpul hunter to add some weight and to have the flexibility to change LOP for when the kids come shoot.I was looking at those chassis. I think I like them but I don't know. I might be too much of a fudd. I like the look of a traditional bolt gun. But I also love AR's. I guess it would be like if an AR and a bolt gun had a love child in my safe. Plus I would be getting rid of the POS rotary magazine.
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Post by: grundy53 on February 16, 2020, 10:34:36 AM
MDT makes a chassis for them. 1.4lb. B&C makes a good stock though. It would be a solid improvement. I dropped mine in a magpul hunter to add some weight and to have the flexibility to change LOP for when the kids come shoot.I think you have me talked into the MDT. How heavy is the magpul stock? I didn't really consider it because it looks heavy. Do you pack it around or is it a target/truck gun? I don't know why I'm so worried about the weight of my deer rifles, my brush gun for elk is a Remington 700 Sendero. 🤣
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Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 16, 2020, 11:00:38 AM
magpul is HEAVY. 4lb I think? The gun finished with a zeiss v4 is 11lb. This RA was just something I picked up while waiting for a rebarrel to get done but it's a fun little rifle.MDT makes a chassis for them. 1.4lb. B&C makes a good stock though. It would be a solid improvement. I dropped mine in a magpul hunter to add some weight and to have the flexibility to change LOP for when the kids come shoot.I think you have me talked into the MDT. How heavy is the magpul stock? I didn't really consider it because it looks heavy. Do you pack it around or is it a target/truck gun? I don't know why I'm so worried about the weight of my deer rifles, my brush gun for elk is a Remington 700 Sendero. 🤣
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Post by: grundy53 on February 16, 2020, 11:39:13 AM
Yeah, that's heavier than I want to pack around mulie country. Bet it makes it nice for target practice though.magpul is HEAVY. 4lb I think? The gun finished with a zeiss v4 is 11lb. This RA was just something I picked up while waiting for a rebarrel to get done but it's a fun little rifle.MDT makes a chassis for them. 1.4lb. B&C makes a good stock though. It would be a solid improvement. I dropped mine in a magpul hunter to add some weight and to have the flexibility to change LOP for when the kids come shoot.I think you have me talked into the MDT. How heavy is the magpul stock? I didn't really consider it because it looks heavy. Do you pack it around or is it a target/truck gun? I don't know why I'm so worried about the weight of my deer rifles, my brush gun for elk is a Remington 700 Sendero. 🤣
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Post by: BULLBLASTER on February 16, 2020, 11:48:19 AM
Keep in mind that the listed weight for the mdt is without a buttstock or pistol grip. By the time you add those it can get expensive and pretty heavy. That lss fore end is very short alsoMDT makes a chassis for them. 1.4lb. B&C makes a good stock though. It would be a solid improvement. I dropped mine in a magpul hunter to add some weight and to have the flexibility to change LOP for when the kids come shoot.I think you have me talked into the MDT. How heavy is the magpul stock? I didn't really consider it because it looks heavy. Do you pack it around or is it a target/truck gun? I don't know why I'm so worried about the weight of my deer rifles, my brush gun for elk is a Remington 700 Sendero. 🤣
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Another option is oryx chassis. It’s $400 all in and comes complete.
Post by: grundy53 on February 16, 2020, 12:02:40 PM
Yeah, I was taking that into account. But there are some light weight AR butt stocks. I wouldn't get one of those fancy ultra adjustable ones. Thanks for the tip, I'll check out the Oryx.Keep in mind that the listed weight for the mdt is without a buttstock or pistol grip. By the time you add those it can get expensive and pretty heavy. That lss fore end is very short alsoMDT makes a chassis for them. 1.4lb. B&C makes a good stock though. It would be a solid improvement. I dropped mine in a magpul hunter to add some weight and to have the flexibility to change LOP for when the kids come shoot.I think you have me talked into the MDT. How heavy is the magpul stock? I didn't really consider it because it looks heavy. Do you pack it around or is it a target/truck gun? I don't know why I'm so worried about the weight of my deer rifles, my brush gun for elk is a Remington 700 Sendero. 🤣
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Another option is oryx chassis. It’s $400 all in and comes complete.
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Post by: Pathfinder101 on February 26, 2020, 02:26:59 PM
I would run the Hornady 143 eld through it.+1 they just shoot too dang good not to.
It will like them.
Chalk up another vote for Hornandy 143 ELDs.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 02, 2020, 12:23:06 PM
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Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 02, 2020, 01:08:40 PM
SO Karl, are you loading mag length and if so how far does that have you off the lands ??I honestly haven't pulled any measurements off of it yet. I didnt mess with my dies at all and just seated them like I would my 140's. They are right at mag length in the magpul magazines. I'll get some numbers tonight when I get home. Norma brass with fed210 match
Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 02, 2020, 04:38:06 PM
Post by: buckfvr on March 02, 2020, 05:50:45 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 02, 2020, 06:10:11 PM
Wow.....thanks that tells me what I wanted. :tup:yep no problem. I'm pumped to get my tikka back and mess with these some more in a rig that is better suited for these long suckers