Post by: Machias on February 28, 2020, 12:55:20 PM
Post by: aer212 on February 28, 2020, 02:37:37 PM
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Post by: Mudman on February 28, 2020, 04:07:02 PM
Post by: MHWASH on February 28, 2020, 05:08:44 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on February 28, 2020, 05:17:44 PM
Every day Idaho looks more like Wa. state. Im sorry for the loss.:yeah: fricken sucks to see this happen to Idaho. I feel more like a criminal every day, f that pass and any passes to walk or ride on our lands.
Post by: MHWASH on February 28, 2020, 06:21:09 PM
Every day Idaho looks more like Wa. state. Im sorry for the loss.:yeah: fricken sucks to see this happen to Idaho. I feel more like a criminal every day, f that pass and any passes to walk or ride on our lands.
So you guys want to go play in Idaho, but don’t want to pay to support it. Must be Bernie fans? :dunno:
Post by: JBar on February 28, 2020, 07:55:21 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on February 29, 2020, 10:52:53 AM
give me a break, your attempt at an insult holds no water, and you miss the point by a mile.Every day Idaho looks more like Wa. state. Im sorry for the loss.:yeah: fricken sucks to see this happen to Idaho. I feel more like a criminal every day, f that pass and any passes to walk or ride on our lands.
So you guys want to go play in Idaho, but don’t want to pay to support it. Must be Bernie fans? :dunno:
Post by: Bango skank on February 29, 2020, 11:03:10 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on February 29, 2020, 11:06:37 AM
Post by: 3dvapor on February 29, 2020, 11:36:02 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on February 29, 2020, 11:45:22 AM
Put the government in charge of anything and it will become another cash cow! Its the only way they can keep theyre govt. job sustainable. The govt. always has to come up with another tax or fee to support themselves.:yeah: and they’ll never stop adding more and more.
Post by: bearpaw on February 29, 2020, 01:30:59 PM
Post by: millerwheeler on February 29, 2020, 05:01:08 PM
Every day Idaho looks more like Wa. state. Im sorry for the loss.:yeah: fricken sucks to see this happen to Idaho. I feel more like a criminal every day, f that pass and any passes to walk or ride on our lands.
So you guys want to go play in Idaho, but don’t want to pay to support it. Must be Bernie fans? :dunno:
Kind of what I was thinking , recreation costs money and 12$ is cheap let's be real
Post by: Taco280AI on February 29, 2020, 06:55:20 PM
Post by: Mudman on February 29, 2020, 07:30:16 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on February 29, 2020, 07:50:49 PM
Post by: Mudman on February 29, 2020, 07:53:18 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on February 29, 2020, 07:56:59 PM
:yeah: Yes, that is what it is all about in the end. The reasons are just to pit others against others. Divide n conquer?exactly, and it’s working unfortunately
Post by: Taco280AI on March 01, 2020, 04:59:48 AM
Post by: Bango skank on March 01, 2020, 06:37:08 AM
To add, hmm I can come up with about a hundred more taxes to help pay for perfect dirt trails. Where do we start, and I’ll only charge $6 dollars per tax. A tax for vehicles with 2 tires, a tax for vehicles w 4 tires, a tax for ebikes, that will get support from most hunters!! A tax for battery operated vehicles, a tax for vehicles that weigh over 600 lbs, and that tax goes up in 200 lb increments. A windshield tax if your atv doesn’t have a windshield, just imagine how much money we could raise for nicer trails, only 6 bucks or 12 bucks a pop. I mean the opportunities are endless, just add one tax every so often not to shock anyone.
Post by: MHWASH on March 01, 2020, 07:35:50 AM
give me a break, your attempt at an insult holds no water, and you miss the point by a mile.Every day Idaho looks more like Wa. state. Im sorry for the loss.:yeah: fricken sucks to see this happen to Idaho. I feel more like a criminal every day, f that pass and any passes to walk or ride on our lands.
So you guys want to go play in Idaho, but don’t want to pay to support it. Must be Bernie fans? :dunno:
First and foremost, this wasn’t an attempt at an insult, it was a jest, for fun. These type of threads always get too worked up. I look at this as a user fee. I’ve personally seen improvements done to trails where I ride in Idaho.
Post by: L8NITE on March 01, 2020, 07:47:14 AM
Post by: Taco280AI on March 01, 2020, 07:58:14 AM
give me a break, your attempt at an insult holds no water, and you miss the point by a mile.Every day Idaho looks more like Wa. state. Im sorry for the loss.:yeah: fricken sucks to see this happen to Idaho. I feel more like a criminal every day, f that pass and any passes to walk or ride on our lands.
So you guys want to go play in Idaho, but don’t want to pay to support it. Must be Bernie fans? :dunno:
First and foremost, this wasn’t an attempt at an insult, it was a jest, for fun. These type of threads always get too worked up. I look at this as a user fee. I’ve personally seen improvements done to trails where I ride in Idaho.
[sarcasm]How dare you make a joke on a public forum[/sarcasm] :chuckle:
Post by: nwmein199 on March 01, 2020, 08:27:45 AM
Don't like it, don't come to Idaho. Simple.
:yeah: keep using your quad in WA if you dont like ID rules. Or move and become an ID resident and then dont have to worry about non-resident fees. I'm sure ID residents dont have to pay any fees to use ATVs on public lands haha
Post by: bearpaw on March 01, 2020, 08:34:02 AM
Don't like it, don't come to Idaho. Simple.
:yeah: keep using your quad in WA if you dont like ID rules. Or move and become an ID resident and then dont have to worry about non-resident fees. I'm sure ID residents dont have to pay any fees to use ATVs on public lands haha
As I mentioned before, residents have been buying atv tabs for many years.
Post by: Mudman on March 01, 2020, 08:37:15 AM
Post by: Jhughes32 on March 01, 2020, 08:39:08 AM
Post by: Mudman on March 01, 2020, 08:41:08 AM
Post by: nwmein199 on March 01, 2020, 08:41:55 AM
Don't like it, don't come to Idaho. Simple.
:yeah: keep using your quad in WA if you dont like ID rules. Or move and become an ID resident and then dont have to worry about non-resident fees. I'm sure ID residents dont have to pay any fees to use ATVs on public lands haha
As I mentioned before, residents have been buying atv tabs for many years.
Not possible, it's the damn liberal Californians moving there now and ruining Idaho! Idaho was perfect before the $12 non-resident atv fee!!
(All of my post is sarcasm)
Post by: bornhunter on March 01, 2020, 08:57:21 AM
I wonder how much $ Idaho gets from hunters/atv users in tourism/hotel etc revenue? I bet they like that extra $. Just like Seattle??Its funny the values which Idaho residents so love and show pride in don't matter as long as its "The other guys" and not them. Imagine if residents in Id had to pay this? MAn would they be ticked off! Don't worry Id. if this is how your Gov. is acting now then its proof YOU will be the next one getting taxed to death, like here in Wa. Its starting and you all are supporting it. You will be next Wa. state. Tryst us Wa. guys as we have experienced it already and this is how it all starts. All those Californification residents are using their voting powers and $ to lobby in your state. Very sad.
Sad but true.
Post by: bearpaw on March 01, 2020, 10:12:58 PM
I wonder how much $ Idaho gets from hunters/atv users in tourism/hotel etc revenue? I bet they like that extra $. Just like Seattle??Its funny the values which Idaho residents so love and show pride in don't matter as long as its "The other guys" and not them. Imagine if residents in Id had to pay this? MAn would they be ticked off! Don't worry Id. if this is how your Gov. is acting now then its proof YOU will be the next one getting taxed to death, like here in Wa. Its starting and you all are supporting it. You will be next Wa. state. Tryst us Wa. guys as we have experienced it already and this is how it all starts. All those Californification residents are using their voting powers and $ to lobby in your state. Very sad.
As I mentioned a couple times now, Idaho residents have been buying atv tabs for many years.
If you don't want to pay it, leave your atv at home, pretty darn simple!
Post by: trophyhunt on March 02, 2020, 05:34:48 AM
Post by: Machias on March 02, 2020, 09:09:24 AM
Alrighty then, did not expect this post to be controversial, just trying to be informative. :hello:
Post by: trophyhunt on March 02, 2020, 09:58:51 AM
Post by: 2MANY on March 02, 2020, 10:05:40 AM
Just ordered mine.
Make Idaho Great Again in 2020!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Machias on March 02, 2020, 10:18:16 AM
Thanks for the info, don’t under estimate this site, we can argue about anything!! 😆😆
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Post by: ballpark on March 02, 2020, 11:05:53 AM
It's a 12 dollar tag you gotta have orv tags in Washington and Oregon and I'm sure alot of other states you guys sure bitch about alot of dumb *censored*
ORV license plate in Washington, which I still don't understand. I asked the person behind the counter, "So where am I supposed to put this plate?" :bash: Oregon has a decal. :tup:
Post by: Mudman on March 02, 2020, 04:30:33 PM
What the heck ya talking about?? They have tags on em, they have lic plates on em, they have insurance on em. Just like your friggin cars do!!! Now I have to buy an Idaho Toll stamp in addition??? DOes your boats have these too?I wonder how much $ Idaho gets from hunters/atv users in tourism/hotel etc revenue? I bet they like that extra $. Just like Seattle??Its funny the values which Idaho residents so love and show pride in don't matter as long as its "The other guys" and not them. Imagine if residents in Id had to pay this? MAn would they be ticked off! Don't worry Id. if this is how your Gov. is acting now then its proof YOU will be the next one getting taxed to death, like here in Wa. Its starting and you all are supporting it. You will be next Wa. state. Tryst us Wa. guys as we have experienced it already and this is how it all starts. All those Californification residents are using their voting powers and $ to lobby in your state. Very sad.
As I mentioned a couple times now, Idaho residents have been buying atv tabs for many years.
If you don't want to pay it, leave your atv at home, pretty darn simple!
Post by: Mudman on March 02, 2020, 04:34:23 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on March 02, 2020, 04:43:50 PM
I have decide we should have to stop at toll booths every time we enter a new State and buy their official "Tabs" and maybe even every county or city too? Heck we will look like those campers with every state they visited stuck on back map of USA!! I love it. Great idea. Socialsim at its best, taxes for whatever ya can think of. I wonder when snowmobiles and watercraft/boats will be taxed this way? :bash: :bash:this is the point some of us get!!!
Post by: bearpaw on March 02, 2020, 07:27:46 PM
Post by: millerwheeler on March 02, 2020, 08:50:51 PM
Most people don't want to pay more taxes, I hate all the different little taxes, but quite honestly it's easier to just pay the fee than get heartburn worrying about it, none of us can change the law, either pay or don't ride. I have to buy tabs on about 10 atv/utv's and on about 10 snowmobiles, still it's easier to just pay than get an ulser getting worked up over it. When I'm in Idaho I've usually got a big smile and enjoying it just knowing I'm in a much better managed state for wildlife and where I can ride any roads I want to ride. I don't mind paying to support something good!Amen
Post by: Mudman on March 02, 2020, 10:25:05 PM
Most people don't want to pay more taxes, I hate all the different little taxes, but quite honestly it's easier to just pay the fee than get heartburn worrying about it, none of us can change the law, either pay or don't ride. I have to buy tabs on about 10 atv/utv's and on about 10 snowmobiles, still it's easier to just pay than get an ulser getting worked up over it. When I'm in Idaho I've usually got a big smile and enjoying it just knowing I'm in a much better managed state for wildlife and where I can ride any roads I want to ride. I don't mind paying to support something good!Well now you have to buy tabs in 2 states instead of one.
Post by: bearpaw on March 03, 2020, 04:28:04 AM
Most people don't want to pay more taxes, I hate all the different little taxes, but quite honestly it's easier to just pay the fee than get heartburn worrying about it, none of us can change the law, either pay or don't ride. I have to buy tabs on about 10 atv/utv's and on about 10 snowmobiles, still it's easier to just pay than get an ulser getting worked up over it. When I'm in Idaho I've usually got a big smile and enjoying it just knowing I'm in a much better managed state for wildlife and where I can ride any roads I want to ride. I don't mind paying to support something good!Well now you have to buy tabs in 2 states instead of one.
As an Idaho business owner I've been buying tabs in Idaho for many years, I also buy tabs in Utah. I don't buy tabs in WA because there aren't many places to ride, I'm not going to buy tabs when I can't ride more than 5 or 10 mile sections of road. In Idaho, Utah, and Montana I can ride right into towns or on forest service roads.
In many Idaho areas half or more of the recreational traffic is non-residents who go there to ride because you can't ride most places in WA. Residents are buying tabs, I don't blame them for expecting non-residents to buy tabs too. Sometimes states have reciprocal agreements, but why would anyone from Idaho want to come to WA to ride a 5 mile section of road? Essentially WA has nothing to offer for a reciprocal agreement.
Post by: Mudman on March 03, 2020, 07:27:16 AM
Post by: nwmein199 on March 03, 2020, 09:08:22 AM
I understand that and it is very true in many ways. Id business owner you are required to buy those tabs! If you were registered in Wa you would likely have to do it in both states now ? But you would be accepted by Wa with Id tags un-like Id. is now? Now Wa will start requiring Id to buy tags, And so on for each state. Then when that $ is spent they will apply it to boats and anything else thought of. This issue will likely become a federal matter at some point and be overturned imop. Or be forced to remove "street legal" application? I will not buy tags for my street legal vehicles and will challenge any fine in court. I wonder if Id will lose more $ in tourism $ then they gain from $12 tabs? I can say YUP! Already have. $ for tourism/hunt trips and tags is already down by 3, trust me on that one. Id residents are going to love their new Discover pass that's coming! :dunno:
If you buy WA ATV tabs that money goes to WA trails not Idaho. If you want to use the Idaho trails, buy Idaho ATV tabs.
If you buy a deer tag in Washington, do you think that is valid to use on a deer in Idaho? You already paid for a deer tag...
Post by: Mudman on March 03, 2020, 09:19:46 AM
Post by: bearpaw on March 03, 2020, 10:07:18 AM
Post by: KFhunter on March 03, 2020, 10:20:06 AM
Now the gloves are off, and we the taxpayer are the suckers in the middle getting punched from all sides.
Post by: theleo on March 03, 2020, 10:29:09 AM
Post by: bearpaw on March 03, 2020, 10:30:45 AM
Don't think of it as car tabs, think of it as an invasive species permit aimed and stemming the tide of Lazy Out of State Hunters. That way you can consider it donating to conservation instead of it being just another tax. :tup:
I noticed that Montana is now requiring hunters to buy the invasive aquatic species endorsement or whatever they call it.
Post by: theleo on March 03, 2020, 10:38:49 AM
They definitely need all the help they can to get that Water Yuppie problem under control.Don't think of it as car tabs, think of it as an invasive species permit aimed and stemming the tide of Lazy Out of State Hunters. That way you can consider it donating to conservation instead of it being just another tax. :tup:
I noticed that Montana is now requiring hunters to buy the invasive aquatic species endorsement or whatever they call it.
Post by: 2MANY on March 03, 2020, 10:52:23 AM
I'm all in.
I hope they outlaw them things in my sector.
If they do I'll have one for sale. :0
Post by: follow maggie on March 03, 2020, 03:50:05 PM
Post by: Mudman on March 03, 2020, 05:01:51 PM
Post by: Mudman on March 03, 2020, 05:15:07 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on March 03, 2020, 05:20:41 PM
Post by: theleo on March 04, 2020, 10:03:25 AM
I don't have an atv, so I'm not up on the rules of where riding is allowed. Are those rules set by the state, or the forest service district?A little of both. ID even has some units where ATV's are legal but you can't use them for hunting, just for taking your camp in and out basically. Usually you have the FS saying what trails ATV's are legal on and then you've got what the state requires of you have to operate one at all.
Post by: Mudman on March 04, 2020, 02:25:30 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on March 04, 2020, 02:35:02 PM
Heck, trail maintanence? They are just old decommissioned roads in most areas from my experiences. No "maintenance" I seen?It just makes some warm and fuzzy inside by saying it’s for trail maintenance.
Post by: bearpaw on March 05, 2020, 07:19:42 AM
I don't have an atv, so I'm not up on the rules of where riding is allowed. Are those rules set by the state, or the forest service district?A little of both. ID even has some units where ATV's are legal but you can't use them for hunting, just for taking your camp in and out basically. Usually you have the FS saying what trails ATV's are legal on and then you've got what the state requires of you have to operate one at all.
Actually in the units with ATV restrictions you can use your atv for hunting anywhere any full size motorized vehicle can be used. The rule prevents using atv's for hunting on trails not open to full size motorized vehicles, however, you can still haul in a camp.
https://idfg.idaho.gov/old-web/docs/hunt/atvBrochure.pdf
Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 05, 2020, 09:05:30 AM
Post by: Mudman on March 05, 2020, 07:32:04 PM
So does this apply to dirtbikes as well? If so, would the $12 idaho tabs be good for WA riding? Could I buy the Idaho tabs in place of WA tabs?Great question!!! Does WA honor Id tabs UNLIKE Idaho is doing now?? Bikes, hmm?
Post by: trophyhunt on March 05, 2020, 07:35:18 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 05, 2020, 09:00:47 PM
From what I understand, NO, this extra fee (tax) from Idaho is just that. Not a tab, just a permission slip to ride in Idaho.source?
Post by: bearpaw on March 05, 2020, 09:49:01 PM
From what I understand, NO, this extra fee (tax) from Idaho is just that. Not a tab, just a permission slip to ride in Idaho.source?
The tab is for offroad use. I also buy plates for street use in Idaho, the plates might allow use in WA where counties allow atv street use, I'm not sure, best bet is to ask the WA county where you want to use the Idaho plates or tabs!