Post by: flee on March 19, 2020, 08:01:06 PM
sorry if this is posted in the wrong place.
read this.
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/03/gary-d-barnett/the-coronavirus-is-the-way-to-martial-law-and-total-control-over-populations/
Post by: h20hunter on March 19, 2020, 08:04:57 PM
Post by: Fl0und3rz on March 19, 2020, 08:08:49 PM
Some jurisdictions may try.
There is no current reason. Don't give them one.
Post by: jay.sharkbait on March 19, 2020, 08:09:39 PM
Martial law won’t help anyone win a popularity contest.
Post by: idaho guy on March 19, 2020, 08:29:03 PM
Post by: Buckjunkie on March 19, 2020, 08:33:42 PM
Post by: ipkus on March 19, 2020, 08:43:32 PM
The absolute last thing I want to do is go down fighting, but I will if that’s the only choice. “They” know that, which is why it will never happen this way.
Post by: Mike450r on March 19, 2020, 08:52:00 PM
I have the "go ahead and try" mentality as most here do. That ends up in a huge mess, especially at a time like this.
Post by: Katmai Guy on March 19, 2020, 08:59:25 PM
Post by: ctwiggs1 on March 19, 2020, 09:13:50 PM
Post by: bornhunter on March 19, 2020, 09:15:30 PM
Post by: idaho guy on March 19, 2020, 09:22:10 PM
Geez! I hope there is never a real invasion of this country. We would be so screwed. Wall to wall snowflakes.
:yeah:
Post by: ipkus on March 19, 2020, 09:45:11 PM
Geez! I hope there is never a real invasion of this country. We would be so screwed. Wall to wall snowflakes.
Can you elaborate in a little more detail for us softies, tough guy?
Post by: Onewhohikes on March 20, 2020, 05:35:59 AM
Post by: Dan-o on March 20, 2020, 07:08:23 AM
Tough guy? Whats that about
Looks like he just needs a Snickers.
I'm guessing he's not himself when he's hangry.
Post by: bhawley76 on March 20, 2020, 07:49:50 AM
Post by: timberfaller on March 20, 2020, 09:15:15 AM
Look up and study, "The Ten Goals of Marxism", its not rocket science!
Post by: bornhunter on March 20, 2020, 01:06:30 PM
Geez! I hope there is never a real invasion of this country. We would be so screwed. Wall to wall snowflakes.
Can you elaborate in a little more detail for us softies, tough guy?
I didnt mean that for any posters on here. The comments for some reason just made me think of the number of snowflakes there are out there compared to a time when men were men and we really were all " tough guys." My bad.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 20, 2020, 01:12:57 PM
Post by: Lucky1 on March 20, 2020, 01:17:14 PM
Post by: MR5x5 on March 20, 2020, 01:22:00 PM
Beto said “hell yes, we are coming for your AR15”
It's going to take a while to get to the AR-15s. Biden and Beto are going to start with the AR-1s and work all the way through the 14's before coming after the 15s. I suspect we'll be ok.
Post by: ctwiggs1 on March 20, 2020, 01:25:50 PM
Anytime I see stuff like this I wonder who the "they" are. Last time I checked our LE and military are all volunteer and free Americans who were born and raised as free men and women no different then you or I. Anyone who thinks there will be a German SS type sweep of our cities hasn't spent much time around America's fighting force :twocents:
booyah
I suspect it would be possible to pick up a few gung ho weirdos.
But then you'll have to deal with the 330,000,000 not so weird folks.
Post by: bornhunter on March 20, 2020, 01:29:59 PM
Anytime I see stuff like this I wonder who the "they" are. Last time I checked our LE and military are all volunteer and free Americans who were born and raised as free men and women no different then you or I. Anyone who thinks there will be a German SS type sweep of our cities hasn't spent much time around America's fighting force :twocents::yeah:
Post by: KFhunter on March 20, 2020, 01:33:22 PM
not. going. to. happen.
Post by: ctwiggs1 on March 20, 2020, 01:42:44 PM
This whole idea of "coming for our guns" is not even on my radar, not a blip.
not. going. to. happen.
Have you seen my avatar? Who's going to confiscate from that guy, anyway?
Post by: Angry Perch on March 20, 2020, 01:48:50 PM
Beto said “hell yes, we are coming for your AR15”
Exactly,
And where is Beto now?
Post by: Lucky1 on March 20, 2020, 03:15:50 PM
:dunno: When he endorsed Joe Biden, Joe told him that he would be his point man for gun control. You probably should not vote for democrats if you want to keep your guns.Beto said “hell yes, we are coming for your AR15”
Exactly,
And where is Beto now?
They are after them.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 20, 2020, 03:47:07 PM
This whole idea of "coming for our guns" is not even on my radar, not a blip.:yeah: anti gun folks are stupid but they aren't so stupid as not to realize that gun confiscation is a "cold dead hands" situation and that they don't actually have a way to go about it anyways. They know it's a long game with laws
not. going. to. happen.
Post by: Hilltop123 on March 20, 2020, 03:57:39 PM
Not to mention, most of us rednecks, are super p!ssed off right now. 30 years of retirement, sitting at the bottom of the toilet. Hell we might as well fight it out, and do a little drinking. :twocents:This whole idea of "coming for our guns" is not even on my radar, not a blip.:yeah: anti gun folks are stupid but they aren't so stupid as not to realize that gun confiscation is a "cold dead hands" situation and that they don't actually have a way to go about it anyways. They know it's a long game with laws
not. going. to. happen.
Post by: magnanimous_j on March 20, 2020, 04:07:31 PM
Its a scare tactic to get you to donate a little more to the NRA.
In reality, as long as you are fixated on your guns, you don't notice that all the wealth, power and opportunity is being concentrated into the chubby hands of the rich, piece by piece. And most of you are cheering it on because its being done by the party that promises that they won't come for your guns.
Post by: Hilltop123 on March 20, 2020, 04:10:25 PM
Post by: magnanimous_j on March 20, 2020, 04:23:32 PM
You ain't hid long enough, for folk to forget what you are. Don't forget, that.
A Nephalim? No one is alive now that could know that.
Also, why are you talking like character from Red Dead Redemption 2?
Post by: Cougartail on March 20, 2020, 04:23:58 PM
The last 100 times that people were worried that "they" were going to come for your guns.... They never came for your guns. No one with any ability to do so has ever come for your guns.
Its a scare tactic to get you to donate a little more to the NRA.
In reality, as long as you are fixated on your guns, you don't notice that all the wealth, power and opportunity is being concentrated into the chubby hands of the rich, piece by piece. And most of you are cheering it on because its being done by the party that promises that they won't come for your guns.
You wouldn't know "reality" if it came over and leaked down your leg.. Trump was voted in to stop leftists and globalist. He is making Americans who work hard rich. Look at the letter behind every legislator in Washington who has introduced more gun laws. It's a D for democrat. Join the real world Mags. You're so easily brainwashed..
Post by: Hilltop123 on March 20, 2020, 04:28:50 PM
What the he!! is red dead? Red beer made PBR?You ain't hid long enough, for folk to forget what you are. Don't forget, that.
A Nephalim? No one is alive now that could know that.
Also, why are you talking like character from Red Dead Redemption 2?
Post by: Fl0und3rz on March 20, 2020, 06:21:56 PM
I think you've been insinuated to be a yokel.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on March 20, 2020, 06:49:14 PM
Anytime I see stuff like this I wonder who the "they" are. Last time I checked our LE and military are all volunteer and free Americans who were born and raised as free men and women no different then you or I. Anyone who thinks there will be a German SS type sweep of our cities hasn't spent much time around America's fighting force :twocents:Nearly every military town I can remember had lots of gun stores and strip clubs (except New England). And the servicemen were usually upset if the area had crummy gun laws. Quite a few guys were requesting to come to Washington or Florida or Texas over places like California or Hawaii so they could own nearly whatever and have a concealed permit. I just don't see the military participating in something like that, if anything it would be the reverse.
Post by: idaho guy on March 20, 2020, 06:53:40 PM
Anytime I see stuff like this I wonder who the "they" are. Last time I checked our LE and military are all volunteer and free Americans who were born and raised as free men and women no different then you or I. Anyone who thinks there will be a German SS type sweep of our cities hasn't spent much time around America's fighting force :twocents:
Exactly :yeah:
Post by: Fl0und3rz on March 20, 2020, 07:03:49 PM
https://xavierthoughts.blogspot.com/2006/08/national-guard-among-looters-after.html
Let's not be completely naive here and think that all LE or military are all solid 2A supporters who would turn down a confiscation order.
Post by: ctwiggs1 on March 20, 2020, 07:08:55 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on March 20, 2020, 07:10:38 PM
How many Vindmans are there? How many just looking to keep doing as they're told waiting out a promotion?For sure, but I think there's enough that it keeps the thought of confiscation a little bit distant (for military). LE I think might be a little less, especially in the commie states.
https://xavierthoughts.blogspot.com/2006/08/national-guard-among-looters-after.html
Let's not be completely naive here and think that all LE or military are all solid 2A supporters who would turn down a confiscation order.
We used to say, "there's always at least one" in every command when it came to someone that was a little left of center.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on March 20, 2020, 07:13:46 PM
You just posted an article of criminals being prosecuted. I don’t understand your point.
Humans, acting like humans, in a crisis. People are pretending stuff like that can't happen.
LE also enforced a confiscation order in NO. Backed by NG, some whom were busy looting.
https://dailycaller.com/2015/08/24/a-decade-later-remember-new-orleans-gun-confiscation-can-and-has-happened-in-america/
Some people have their head in the sand.
Post by: magnanimous_j on March 20, 2020, 07:15:03 PM
https://www.rockstargames.com/reddeadredemption2/
I think you've been insinuated to be a yokel.
Not quite. Red Dead Redemption 2 sold 23 million copies (at $60 a pop). Old west mythology is as popular as ever. From that game alone, Schofield revolvers have jumped in price dramatically.
Still, that guy WAS talking like a Chucky Cheese Cowboy robot
Post by: ctwiggs1 on March 20, 2020, 07:24:00 PM
You just posted an article of criminals being prosecuted. I don’t understand your point.
Humans, acting like humans, in a crisis. People are pretending stuff like that can't happen.
LE also enforced a confiscation order in NO. Backed by NG, some whom were busy looting.
https://dailycaller.com/2015/08/24/a-decade-later-remember-new-orleans-gun-confiscation-can-and-has-happened-in-america/
Some people have their head in the sand.
Hence the Vitter amendment.
People may do naughty things... doesn’t make them legal.
Post by: ribka on March 20, 2020, 07:24:36 PM
You ain't hid long enough, for folk to forget what you are. Don't forget, that.
A Nephalim? No one is alive now that could know that.
Also, why are you talking like character from Red Dead Redemption 2?
Post by: Fl0und3rz on March 20, 2020, 07:36:06 PM
You just posted an article of criminals being prosecuted. I don’t understand your point.
Humans, acting like humans, in a crisis. People are pretending stuff like that can't happen.
LE also enforced a confiscation order in NO. Backed by NG, some whom were busy looting.
https://dailycaller.com/2015/08/24/a-decade-later-remember-new-orleans-gun-confiscation-can-and-has-happened-in-america/
Some people have their head in the sand.
Hence the Vitter amendment.
People may do naughty things... doesn’t make them legal.
Cold comfort. NO already signed an order prohibiting transport, which suspends legal carry. Fine. It's not confiscation, right?
On July 12, 2006 Senator Vitter proposed Senate Amendment 4615 (the Vitter Amendment) to Department Of Homeland Security Appropriations Act, 2007 (H.R. 5441), to prohibit the confiscation of a firearm during an emergency or major disaster if the possession of such firearm is not prohibited under Federal or State law.[3] The proposed amendment was subsequently modified to contain the provisions of the Disaster Recovery Personal Protection Act of 2006. However, the temporary surrender of a firearm could be required "as a condition for entry into any mode of transportation used for rescue or evacuation".
Notice that last part.
Imagine as part of a community welfare sweep people are checked or tested for virus. You test positive. You could be forced to surrender under the Vitter amendment, "as a condition for entry into any mode of transportation used for rescue or evacuation."
And that doesn't even get to situations where suspension of rights is deemed necessary by a LE authority.
Of course, we are nowhere near that. But let's not pretend that the Vitter Amendment or humans doing human stuff, who will only hold your 2A inviolate, will be some protection.
Post by: bornhunter on March 20, 2020, 09:52:53 PM
This whole idea of "coming for our guns" is not even on my radar, not a blip. :yeah:
not. going. to. happen.
Post by: Alchase on March 20, 2020, 11:00:47 PM
GUNS CONFISCATED DURING HURRICANE KATRINA
https://gunowners.org/guns-confiscated-during-katrina/
Police Begin Seizing Guns of Civilians
https://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/09/us/nationalspecial/police-begin-seizing-guns-of-civilians.html
Post by: Fl0und3rz on March 20, 2020, 11:22:48 PM
If things start to go looty and shooty, in particular locales or more broadly, you think the Vitter Amendment would offer any real protection? Even more than the 2A itself?
It seems such a weird time to be saying "never; can't happen."
Post by: lokidog on March 21, 2020, 12:27:53 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=share&fbclid=IwAR3_sNPpQKmyAf9ExOdVMZWfVKeZIkgoyfHnTz9iyPOr4kXOaaZf0gAzx-0&v=u4oQPJYM02A&app=desktop
Post by: KFhunter on March 21, 2020, 08:10:54 AM
Yeah, I don't know man. We are certainly aren't there, yet.
If things start to go looty and shooty, in particular locales or more broadly, you think the Vitter Amendment would offer any real protection? Even more than the 2A itself?
It seems such a weird time to be saying "never; can't happen."
I'm speaking in national terms, we know some governors are abusing their powers so I'm not going to say it won't happen on a micro scale.
Post by: bornhunter on March 21, 2020, 09:49:48 AM
Post by: Mr.B on March 21, 2020, 12:09:06 PM
PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT:
The Bellingham City Council is proposing to take away your gun rights because of the state of emergency declaration from the coronavirus. How stupid are these people???
Bellingham City Council Voting to Take Away Your Firearms During Emergency I also posted this in Crime and Safety...
Bellingham WA City Council - Emergency Powers of Mayor or Director....wow if this is voted in one of the provisions is that "an order prohibiting the carrying or possession of firearms or any instrument, which is capable of providing bodily harm and which is carried or possessed with the intent to use the same to cause such harm; provided, that any such order shall not apply to peace officers or military personnel engaged in the performance of their official duties"..this is called "confiscation of our firearms"!! What happened to the 2nd amendment. The city council will be voting on this on Monday, March 23, 2020!!!!
Wake up Bellingham!!!! Let the city council know you are AGAINST this!!!! email: ccmail@cob.org and let them know you do not support taking our legally owned firearms!!!!!
Post by: Skillet on March 21, 2020, 12:18:57 PM
Post by: ctwiggs1 on March 21, 2020, 12:38:03 PM
Do you have a link to the complete text of the proposed ordinance?
:yeah:
Post by: Mr.B on March 21, 2020, 12:52:02 PM
https://meetings.cob.org/Documents/ViewDocument/Attachment%20-%20EMERGENCY%20ORDINANCE%20-%20AB_%2022609.pdf?meetingId=2215&documentType=Agenda&itemId=14333&publishId=14891&isSection=false
Post by: Cougartail on March 21, 2020, 01:11:17 PM
If this works
https://meetings.cob.org/Documents/ViewDocument/Attachment%20-%20EMERGENCY%20ORDINANCE%20-%20AB_%2022609.pdf?meetingId=2215&documentType=Agenda&itemId=14333&publishId=14891&isSection=false
Preemption of State regulation is illegal. I'd have to arrest any officer trying to disarm someone.. lol
Post by: Skillet on March 21, 2020, 01:30:57 PM
They are only voting to empower the mayor to issue the listed orders. The council is not voting on your gun rights themselves, or affirmatively restricting them.
The real question to be asked is to the mayor: "Under exactly what conditions would you consider issuing the order preventing the carrying of weapons? What would you hope to achieve by disarming law-abiding citizenry?"
Edited to add: There is no mention of confiscation of weapons in there, either.
I'm all for protecting our 2A rights, but we have to be rational about the level of actual threat. Getting worked up into a froth over every council's distaster declaration is going to get exhausting.
Post by: Jingles on March 21, 2020, 01:54:01 PM
Post by: jackelope on March 21, 2020, 02:10:22 PM
Only thing I would question is how does the sale, or giving away of firearms relate to the communicability of the Corona Virus and relate to preventing the spread of said virus. Clearly an overreach of intent of the Declaration for the Situation for which it was declared. Should be struck from the declaration.
They’re concerned more about the paranoia freak out effect than the actual spread of the virus. Can’t have people freaking the hell out with guns.
Post by: Mr.B on March 21, 2020, 02:14:54 PM
Post by: Skillet on March 21, 2020, 02:47:58 PM
I think awareness of what is transpiring at every level of government is key.
I agree 100%. They need to know we're watching them and won't let them slip anything in without being held to account. But if someone read the post, emailed a city council member and said "I am against you confiscating my guns with your ordinance!" they would be easy to dismiss as not informed and irrational. Exactly the type of person these council members are worried about freaking out.
It's a potential overreach by the council, for sure. It would be good to ask the council members the question Jingles posed before they vote on it. But even if it passes as-is, it's not anything until the mayor issues that specific order. And it's not a confiscation program in any case.
Post by: Dan-o on March 21, 2020, 03:00:28 PM
* There are always some "they" out to take our guns. There's no shortage of folks who want to grab our guns right now..... But they can't. There's also no shortage of gun owners.
* The most dangerous way it's happening is through small, incremental steps..... Ammo tax, magazine limits, etc.
* More and more of our children don't value the U.S. constitution.
* It's scary how many young adults have been taught not to be proud to be an American.
(my kids are 19-32, and it is downright scary what public Universities have tried to teach them. I have multiple real life examples from them.)
I'm gonna guess that they will never show up at my door and take my guns.
I'm not convinced the same will be true for my children.
I'm also concerned that the mysterious "they" will take little bites wherever they can, making it functionally much more difficult to enjoy our RIGHT.
EXAMPLE: They don't need to confiscate 30 round magazines to restrict my use of them. IF they make them illegal, then law abiding citizens like myself can't go into the woods and dump a few magazines just for fun. I enjoy doing that with my kids.
I think we need to e vigilant, but not alarmist.
And, sadly, I think we are losing the long game.
Post by: Lucky1 on March 21, 2020, 03:46:18 PM
Post by: Alchase on March 21, 2020, 05:42:36 PM
I'd say:
* There are always some "they" out to take our guns. There's no shortage of folks who want to grab our guns right now..... But they can't. There's also no shortage of gun owners.
* The most dangerous way it's happening is through small, incremental steps..... Ammo tax, magazine limits, etc.
* More and more of our children don't value the U.S. constitution.
* It's scary how many young adults have been taught not to be proud to be an American.
(my kids are 19-32, and it is downright scary what public Universities have tried to teach them. I have multiple real life examples from them.)
I'm gonna guess that they will never show up at my door and take my guns.
I'm not convinced the same will be true for my children.
I'm also concerned that the mysterious "they" will take little bites wherever they can, making it functionally much more difficult to enjoy our RIGHT.
EXAMPLE: They don't need to confiscate 30 round magazines to restrict my use of them. IF they make them illegal, then law abiding citizens like myself can't go into the woods and dump a few magazines just for fun. I enjoy doing that with my kids.
I think we need to e vigilant, but not alarmist.
And, sadly, I think we are losing the long game.
Very well said, but I also think "some states" are well past taking little bites. :bash:
Post by: Dan-o on March 21, 2020, 06:58:59 PM
I'd say:
* There are always some "they" out to take our guns. There's no shortage of folks who want to grab our guns right now..... But they can't. There's also no shortage of gun owners.
* The most dangerous way it's happening is through small, incremental steps..... Ammo tax, magazine limits, etc.
* More and more of our children don't value the U.S. constitution.
* It's scary how many young adults have been taught not to be proud to be an American.
(my kids are 19-32, and it is downright scary what public Universities have tried to teach them. I have multiple real life examples from them.)
I'm gonna guess that they will never show up at my door and take my guns.
I'm not convinced the same will be true for my children.
I'm also concerned that the mysterious "they" will take little bites wherever they can, making it functionally much more difficult to enjoy our RIGHT.
EXAMPLE: They don't need to confiscate 30 round magazines to restrict my use of them. IF they make them illegal, then law abiding citizens like myself can't go into the woods and dump a few magazines just for fun. I enjoy doing that with my kids.
I think we need to e vigilant, but not alarmist.
And, sadly, I think we are losing the long game.
Very well said, but I also think "some states" are well past taking little bites. :bash:
Definitely true.
Cant imagine living someplace in the U.S. where it is super difficult to even own a pistol.
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on March 21, 2020, 09:21:09 PM
Post by: ctwiggs1 on March 21, 2020, 09:28:06 PM
:stirthepot:
Post by: lokidog on March 22, 2020, 09:44:46 PM
https://www.congress.gov/116/bills/hr5717/BILLS-116hr5717ih.pdf
:stirthepot:
Posted a video about that yesterday, no one seemed to have any comment.
Post by: bornhunter on March 22, 2020, 09:54:40 PM
Post by: Jingles on March 22, 2020, 10:16:24 PM
This needs a title change for a bit. How about, " will we surrender our guns?" I know my answer. How about you?Yes bullets first delivered between 2900 and 3200 FPS
Post by: Fl0und3rz on March 23, 2020, 10:16:05 AM
https://www.congress.gov/116/bills/hr5717/BILLS-116hr5717ih.pdf
:stirthepot:
Posted a video about that yesterday, no one seemed to have any comment.
Introduced and sponsored only by Hank Johnson, the guy who thought Guam would tip over, IIRC.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/5717/actions?KWICView=false
It's not worth getting riled about, right now, except to use as an example of how far some dems want to take "reasonable gun safety measures."
Post by: bornhunter on March 23, 2020, 12:13:44 PM
This needs a title change for a bit. How about, " will we surrender our guns?" I know my answer. How about you?Yes bullets first delivered between 2900 and 3200 FPS
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