Post by: ThurstonCokid on March 26, 2020, 12:59:18 PM
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Post by: Bango skank on March 26, 2020, 01:12:39 PM
Shouldn't matter on private land.
Well you say that, but fishing is closed period, private land or no.
Post by: Russ McDonald on March 26, 2020, 01:16:06 PM
Doesn't start for 3 weeks and it's 45 days long - we'll get a season yet!:yeah: but I am also not optimistic. Hoping by April 8th we will be good.
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Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 26, 2020, 02:09:18 PM
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Post by: Andrew on March 26, 2020, 02:20:05 PM
STAY, PRAY, and reload... :tup:
Post by: buckcanyonlodge on March 26, 2020, 02:27:23 PM
I dont see how they cant close it. How many people flood into the NE from all over the state, when I cant even fish in front of my house where I am 1/2 mile from a living human.
Have to close it. Have to close spring bear also. We don't need exposed..infected hoards of out of area hunters spreading the virus to counties that only have 2 cases as of today. CLOSE IT... We must Obey and stay in our homes. Obey and don't spread the virus. Obey and it will get over sooner. Only selfish people will not Obey. Obey and keep the boat launches safe from infected/exposed fishermen. etc. Obey etc. Obey etc. Obey
Post by: Bango skank on March 26, 2020, 02:28:08 PM
I dont see how they cant close it. How many people flood into the NE from all over the state, when I cant even fish in front of my house where I am 1/2 mile from a living human.
Have to close it. Have to close spring bear also. We don't need exposed..infected hoards of out of area hunters spreading the virus to counties that only have 2 cases as of today. CLOSE IT... We must Obey and stay in our homes. Obey and don't spread the virus. Obey and it will get over sooner. Only selfish people will not Obey. Obey and keep the boat launches safe from infected/exposed fishermen. etc. Obey etc. Obey etc. Obey
They dont have to close spring bear. Most people that draw never bother showing up.
Post by: ThurstonCokid on March 26, 2020, 02:31:11 PM
I dont see how they cant close it. How many people flood into the NE from all over the state, when I cant even fish in front of my house where I am 1/2 mile from a living human.
Have to close it. Have to close spring bear also. We don't need exposed..infected hoards of out of area hunters spreading the virus to counties that only have 2 cases as of today. CLOSE IT... We must Obey and stay in our homes. Obey and don't spread the virus. Obey and it will get over sooner. Only selfish people will not Obey. Obey and keep the boat launches safe from infected/exposed fishermen. etc. Obey etc. Obey etc. Obey
They dont have to close spring bear. Most people that draw never bother showing up.
Lol. Unfortunately true
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Post by: KNOPHISH on March 26, 2020, 02:35:08 PM
Post by: ThurstonCokid on March 26, 2020, 02:39:45 PM
If entire season closed they could open all units for the fall season for opportunity? Or should give refunds. I got my tag already & got a tom on the last day last year so still some time.
Still lots of time.. but i would prefer to hunt sooner rather than later. Especially this season for turkey.
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Post by: Fishmaker57 on March 26, 2020, 02:41:20 PM
Let's face it, they already closed all camping, and most of us have already bought tags and licenses......they have our money, what do they care if it closes? Less work on their end!
Post by: Stein on March 26, 2020, 02:43:58 PM
Post by: jrebel on March 26, 2020, 02:45:23 PM
I dont see how they cant close it. How many people flood into the NE from all over the state, when I cant even fish in front of my house where I am 1/2 mile from a living human.
Have to close it. Have to close spring bear also. We don't need exposed..infected hoards of out of area hunters spreading the virus to counties that only have 2 cases as of today. CLOSE IT... We must Obey and stay in our homes. Obey and don't spread the virus. Obey and it will get over sooner. Only selfish people will not Obey. Obey and keep the boat launches safe from infected/exposed fishermen. etc. Obey etc. Obey etc. Obey
The staying home has long since past..... :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: A ton of people from king county have already moved east to quarantine. The governor should have shut down the major passes to essential travel very early....and he didn't. The virus is here and will spread in all communities at a similar rate per capita.
Post by: Yelper Guy on March 26, 2020, 02:54:41 PM
The Gov & local Sheriff say shelter in place, which just officially started for me today.
It sounds like this will be going on for weeks.
The only travel allowed is for essentials, gas, groceries or RX - DR. or essential businesses.
Unless you're already in the bear or turkey woods, how can you justifiably think it would be essential travel?
Just because you've already sheltered on the wet side, doesn't mean we're in the clear here, or anywhere in the state yet!
Post by: ne kid on March 26, 2020, 02:56:40 PM
Post by: ThurstonCokid on March 26, 2020, 02:57:48 PM
I dont see how they cant close it. How many people flood into the NE from all over the state, when I cant even fish in front of my house where I am 1/2 mile from a living human.
Have to close it. Have to close spring bear also. We don't need exposed..infected hoards of out of area hunters spreading the virus to counties that only have 2 cases as of today. CLOSE IT... We must Obey and stay in our homes. Obey and don't spread the virus. Obey and it will get over sooner. Only selfish people will not Obey. Obey and keep the boat launches safe from infected/exposed fishermen. etc. Obey etc. Obey etc. Obey
The staying home has long since past..... :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: A ton of people from king county have already moved east to quarantine. The governor should have shut down the major passes to essential travel very early....and he didn't. The virus is here and will spread in all communities at a similar rate per capita.
Maybe because he is the governor of Seattle.
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Post by: buckfvr on March 26, 2020, 04:22:56 PM
Maybe not. Camping is shut down and you don't have the equivalent of boat launches, piers and fishing access points for turkey. That, coupled with the tiny fraction of turkey hunters to fishermen, I can see it going either way.
Way more guys flock to newa for turkey than they ever do for fishing. There is a literal parade of rigs/atvs running the roads here all looking for birds on private land. Easily hundreds of guys show up here and usually overrun local businesses. With most businesses hunters rely on closed now, the remaining gas stops and stores will be chuck full of guys who are supposed to be staying home. Please see how the rules do apply to you as well as me and do everyone a favor and stay put.
Post by: Pinetar on March 26, 2020, 04:26:18 PM
Post by: Bango skank on March 26, 2020, 04:27:07 PM
Just saw that WDFW says turkey season will go as planned
Then i guess they should open fishing.
Post by: Bango skank on March 26, 2020, 04:30:02 PM
Maybe not. Camping is shut down and you don't have the equivalent of boat launches, piers and fishing access points for turkey. That, coupled with the tiny fraction of turkey hunters to fishermen, I can see it going either way.
Tiny fraction of turkey hunters to fishermen??? Not here dude. You notice when turkey season opens here. People flock in from all over the state. And look at old turkey threads, the common theme is asking about which restaraunt, which bar, which hotel blah blah blah. Our towns get swamped with turkey hunters who spend most of their time in town, and do a little bit of hunting. Saying they dont have gongregation points like fishermen is nonsense. Their congregation points are clatks, big r, main street bar, the acorn, little gallea etc etc, where they come in contact with WAY more people than a few fishermen at a boat launch do.
Post by: Pinetar on March 26, 2020, 04:32:36 PM
WDFW says hunting seasons currently underway are not impacted by the COVID-19 restrictions at this time, but significant travel is not advised.
WDFW will keep its website updated with any possible closures, and will send out a news release and social media posts if there are any changes regarding hunting seasons.
The wild turkey hunting spring season opens in April.
Recreational fishing and shell fishing has been closed by the WDFW statewide, closing all wildlife areas and water access areas for at least two weeks beginning Wednesday, March 25.
License sales can be completed online at https://fishhunt.dfw.wa.gov/#/login.
Post by: buckfvr on March 26, 2020, 04:37:03 PM
Post by: jackelope on March 26, 2020, 04:43:33 PM
The Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife says as of right now, hunting seasons are opening as scheduled during the current COVID-19 pandemic.
WDFW says hunting seasons currently underway are not impacted by the COVID-19 restrictions at this time, but significant travel is not advised.
WDFW will keep its website updated with any possible closures, and will send out a news release and social media posts if there are any changes regarding hunting seasons.
The wild turkey hunting spring season opens in April.
Recreational fishing and shell fishing has been closed by the WDFW statewide, closing all wildlife areas and water access areas for at least two weeks beginning Wednesday, March 25.
License sales can be completed online at https://fishhunt.dfw.wa.gov/#/login.
At this point, they're saying that, but turkey season is what...3 weeks away? The current closure/lockdown/shelter in place is 2 weeks. If they extend the closure, I'll bet they'll close turkey hunting too, at least for a week or 2. The season is 6 weeks long, so I don't think they'll put the lock down on the whole season, but a delayed opening wouldn't surprise me. Same goes for bear. Doesn't seem like too many bears get shot early in the season anyway. :dunno:
Post by: Ridgerunner on March 26, 2020, 04:52:12 PM
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Post by: mburrows on March 26, 2020, 05:24:39 PM
15th of August ?
Spring turkey opens April 15th
Post by: Fl0und3rz on March 26, 2020, 05:27:25 PM
At this stage of the game anything is possible. I'd put money down they will not open on the 15th though. Maybe a delayed opener.
I'm not buying a license until the last minute.
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on March 26, 2020, 05:28:31 PM
Post by: Limhangerslayer on March 26, 2020, 05:36:16 PM
Tried to buy a tag online...can't do it. Anything that requires a catch record card or a transport tag can't purchase. I'm really hoping that this shutdown is only two weeks. But based on how it is going I think it's only going to get more extreme. On a positive note the website stated that this closure is only related to shellfish and recreational fishing.but you can still buy a discover pass?!?! How stupid!
STAY, PRAY, and reload... :tup:
Post by: MADMAX on March 26, 2020, 05:42:08 PM
15th of August ?
Spring turkey opens April 15th
Sarcasm font needed
Yes I know
Post by: Russ McDonald on March 26, 2020, 05:50:04 PM
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Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on March 26, 2020, 06:01:03 PM
Almost 35K tags sold last year up from 32k in 2018. Plenty of turkey hunters in this state.
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Would have never guessed 35k. Wowsi!
Post by: MADMAX on March 26, 2020, 06:02:54 PM
Post by: jackelope on March 26, 2020, 06:06:14 PM
Tried to buy a tag online...can't do it. Anything that requires a catch record card or a transport tag can't purchase. I'm really hoping that this shutdown is only two weeks. But based on how it is going I think it's only going to get more extreme. On a positive note the website stated that this closure is only related to shellfish and recreational fishing.but you can still buy a discover pass?!?! How stupid!
STAY, PRAY, and reload... :tup:
Are you sure?
Post by: Gobble Doc on March 26, 2020, 06:22:58 PM
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Post by: MonstroMuley on March 26, 2020, 06:37:52 PM
talked to nice lady ... advised holding off
purchasing License & Turkey Tags until April 1st.
Should know spring season status by then ...
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Post by: Limhangerslayer on March 26, 2020, 06:52:49 PM
yes,I just checked. I could add it to cart! But turkey tags were not an option.Tried to buy a tag online...can't do it. Anything that requires a catch record card or a transport tag can't purchase. I'm really hoping that this shutdown is only two weeks. But based on how it is going I think it's only going to get more extreme. On a positive note the website stated that this closure is only related to shellfish and recreational fishing.but you can still buy a discover pass?!?! How stupid!
STAY, PRAY, and reload... :tup:
Are you sure?
Post by: Gobble Doc on March 26, 2020, 06:53:50 PM
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Post by: ThurstonCokid on March 26, 2020, 06:54:52 PM
I bought a tag already for my kid. About a week ago.
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I have a tag as well..
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Post by: Russ McDonald on March 26, 2020, 07:11:03 PM
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Post by: Gobble Doc on March 26, 2020, 07:20:44 PM
I bougth 2 tags. You all know your tags are good in the fall to. I have 2 people I am taking out during the opener. Hoping for the best. Have lodging setup for me already.At this point hard to imagine driving around 8 days from now. I think I’m going to divert funds to an ecaller and try to get a yote close to home rather than a turkey. Safer for all.
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Post by: buckcanyonlodge on March 26, 2020, 07:25:02 PM
Almost 35K tags sold last year up from 32k in 2018. Plenty of turkey hunters in this state.
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17,000 of those road hunt Bissell Road . Where there is no public hunting anywhere it's full length.
Post by: JeffRaines on March 26, 2020, 07:26:13 PM
Called WDFW Customer Service Line and
talked to nice lady ... advised holding off
purchasing License & Turkey Tags until April 1st.
Should know spring season status by then ...
Like I said, all gatherings(and a hunting camp is a gathering) are currently banned in Washington. If they extend the shutdown past the 15th they’ll close turkey season as well as extending the fishing closure at least until they lift the other restrictions.
I was surprised they closed fishing, if fishing was still open I’d say they probably wouldn’t close hunting season but all bets are off now... I’m honestly surprised they closed access to state owned lands in general. Seems excessive but if people are gathering it’s just going to continue to get more draconic. Not saying I agree or disagree with it - just the facts.
Post by: Gobble Doc on March 26, 2020, 07:27:57 PM
Completely believable at this pointCalled WDFW Customer Service Line and
talked to nice lady ... advised holding off
purchasing License & Turkey Tags until April 1st.
Should know spring season status by then ...
Like I said, all gatherings(and a hunting camp is a gathering) are currently banned in Washington. If they extend the shutdown past the 15th they’ll close turkey season as well as extending the fishing closure at least until they lift the other restrictions.
I was surprised they closed fishing, if fishing was still open I’d say they probably wouldn’t close hunting season but all bets are off now... I’m honestly surprised they closed access to state owned lands in general. Seems excessive but if people are gathering it’s just going to continue to get more draconic. Not saying I agree or disagree with it - just the facts.
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Post by: Ridgeratt on March 26, 2020, 07:55:05 PM
Almost 35K tags sold last year up from 32k in 2018. Plenty of turkey hunters in this state.
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17,000 of those road hunt Bissell Road . Where there is no public hunting anywhere it's full length.
Buckcanyon
I think that they don't like to be referred to as road hunters.
But a softer, kinder term. Like they are a shot gunner on a stage coach. Some thing like a Wells Fargo protection agent.
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Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on March 26, 2020, 09:31:03 PM
Almost 35K tags sold last year up from 32k in 2018. Plenty of turkey hunters in this state.
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17,000 of those road hunt Bissell Road . Where there is no public hunting anywhere it's full length.
:chuckle:
Post by: ThurstonCokid on March 27, 2020, 10:55:21 AM
SShhh. If word gets out it will turn road hunting to a permit draw next year.
That may be nice 😂😂
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Post by: buckfvr on March 27, 2020, 11:11:36 AM
I bougth 2 tags. You all know your tags are good in the fall to. I have 2 people I am taking out during the opener. Hoping for the best. Have lodging setup for me already.At this point hard to imagine driving around 8 days from now. I think I’m going to divert funds to an ecaller and try to get a yote close to home rather than a turkey. Safer for all.
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Exercise common sense and stay home. I dont know anyone around here that wants to see a bunch of traveling hunters come over here under the circumstances.
Post by: 180-GRAIN on March 27, 2020, 12:48:44 PM
Post by: Gobble Doc on March 27, 2020, 01:42:58 PM
I don't care if they shut the general season down for a few weeks but at least do it after youth season so the kids can hunt.Makes sense that if the lakes and DNR and rivers are shut that the rest of WDFW should get shut as well. No turkey. No spring bear. No fishing. No clams. No coyote. No predators. Also no florists.
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Post by: hunter399 on March 27, 2020, 01:49:41 PM
Post by: ThurstonCokid on March 27, 2020, 01:52:36 PM
The problem is nobody cares I drove by some stateland today on my way home from store several cars and trucks park there . :dunno:
Is stateland completely closed? Or is it closed for camping.. i thought i read that day use is still available but camping is not. I could very well be wrong.
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Post by: buckfvr on March 27, 2020, 01:54:21 PM
I don't care if they shut the general season down for a few weeks but at least do it after youth season so the kids can hunt.
What is it some people dont get about staying home and not spreading germs and keeping their kids safe. If its ok to get your kids sick, wtf, just keep it open so we can all get sick......cmon people.
Post by: Stein on March 27, 2020, 01:54:48 PM
How many people even realize fishing or state land is closed? I know many friends and family that were shocked when I mentioned it.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 27, 2020, 01:55:28 PM
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Post by: Stein on March 27, 2020, 02:03:50 PM
It's supposed to be closed closed. They have all our DNR posted up like crazy. There was 50 cars stacked into the parking area to the yakima greenway in Gleed but I can't go off trail into the sage country and call a coyote. Makes perfect sense if you don't think about it :chuckle:
One reason is that WDFW could easily shut all their stuff down. Trail heads are all "owned" by different groups, thus they all have to go around and close stuff and make independent decisions. National Forest, city, county, private landowners, etc.
I do agree that should have been one of the first things to do, shut the parks and trailheads - we all knew what would happen as soon as people couldn't go to school or work.
It's easy to take a walk without running into people, just stay off of trails, walking paths, etc.
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Post by: buckfvr on March 27, 2020, 02:05:25 PM
It's supposed to be closed closed. They have all our DNR posted up like crazy. There was 50 cars stacked into the parking area to the yakima greenway in Gleed but I can't go off trail into the sage country and call a coyote. Makes perfect sense if you don't think about it :chuckle:
Not alot of it makes sense where you are Karl, or where I am, however I cant abide by the thoughts of draggin kids and others half way/all the way across the state at a time like this so they can try and kill a turkey. Common sense out the window.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 27, 2020, 02:25:56 PM
I'm well aware of the reasonings behind the closures. There continues to be such a giant disconnect between the east and west sides of the state. There's no way to keep our side open for recreation while also holding back the flood of bodies that would come from the west side so we shut it all down. I don't like it but I get it.It's supposed to be closed closed. They have all our DNR posted up like crazy. There was 50 cars stacked into the parking area to the yakima greenway in Gleed but I can't go off trail into the sage country and call a coyote. Makes perfect sense if you don't think about it :chuckle:
One reason is that WDFW could easily shut all their stuff down. Trail heads are all "owned" by different groups, thus they all have to go around and close stuff and make independent decisions. National Forest, city, county, private landowners, etc.
I do agree that should have been one of the first things to do, shut the parks and trailheads - we all knew what would happen as soon as people couldn't go to school or work.
It's easy to take a walk without running into people, just stay off of trails, walking paths, etc.
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Post by: Stein on March 27, 2020, 02:31:14 PM
I'm well aware of the reasonings behind the closures. There continues to be such a giant disconnect between the east and west sides of the state. There's no way to keep our side open for recreation while also holding back the flood of bodies that would come from the west side so we shut it all down. I don't like it but I get it.It's supposed to be closed closed. They have all our DNR posted up like crazy. There was 50 cars stacked into the parking area to the yakima greenway in Gleed but I can't go off trail into the sage country and call a coyote. Makes perfect sense if you don't think about it :chuckle:
One reason is that WDFW could easily shut all their stuff down. Trail heads are all "owned" by different groups, thus they all have to go around and close stuff and make independent decisions. National Forest, city, county, private landowners, etc.
I do agree that should have been one of the first things to do, shut the parks and trailheads - we all knew what would happen as soon as people couldn't go to school or work.
It's easy to take a walk without running into people, just stay off of trails, walking paths, etc.
I don't think it's all shut down though. Seems like there are plenty of trailheads still open? There's also a pretty good increase in the number in several places on the east side too.
I think they should have done all recreation at the same time and would have, it's just different departments and many outside the state's direct control.
Post by: Stein on March 27, 2020, 02:34:30 PM
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City of Arlington parks and trails remain open for public use.
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Post by: Stein on March 27, 2020, 02:45:15 PM
NY is projecting 21 days I think, so I would wager half my Charmin that nothing opens for 3 more weeks minimum.
Post by: Gobble Doc on March 27, 2020, 04:06:27 PM
I think common sense went out the window with Inslee’s definitions of what’s essential.It's supposed to be closed closed. They have all our DNR posted up like crazy. There was 50 cars stacked into the parking area to the yakima greenway in Gleed but I can't go off trail into the sage country and call a coyote. Makes perfect sense if you don't think about it :chuckle:
Not alot of it makes sense where you are Karl, or where I am, however I cant abide by the thoughts of draggin kids and others half way/all the way across the state at a time like this so they can try and kill a turkey. Common sense out the window.
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Post by: Gobble Doc on March 27, 2020, 04:15:57 PM
I’m wondering why parks are still open?It's supposed to be closed closed. They have all our DNR posted up like crazy. There was 50 cars stacked into the parking area to the yakima greenway in Gleed but I can't go off trail into the sage country and call a coyote. Makes perfect sense if you don't think about it :chuckle:
Not alot of it makes sense where you are Karl, or where I am, however I cant abide by the thoughts of draggin kids and others half way/all the way across the state at a time like this so they can try and kill a turkey. Common sense out the window.
KENNEWICK, WA
Caution tape is set up around some Tri-Cities playgrounds as the cities work to help prevent the spread of the coronavirus.
Pasco has closed all playgrounds and Kennewick and Richland have posted signs asking people to follow social distancing guidelines.
“The parks themselves are open,” said Jon Funfar, Pasco’s communication program manager. “We’re asking people to not congregate in groups of more than 10 people.”
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Post by: Gobble Doc on March 27, 2020, 04:19:55 PM
What about hunting privateI think there is general agreement that the actual hunting isn’t the problem. It’s the buying gas, pop, food, and everything else that sometimes goes with it. Walking out your back door for a bird would be like walking down the street to a lake to fish. No problem. Running around to get lures and bait and flies probably isn’t best practice right now
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Post by: buckcanyonlodge on March 27, 2020, 04:25:21 PM
What about hunting privateI think there is general agreement that the actual hunting isn’t the problem. It’s the buying gas, pop, food, and everything else that sometimes goes with it. Walking out your back door for a bird would be like walking down the street to a lake to fish. No problem. Running around to get lures and bait and flies probably isn’t best practice right now
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If they close the hunting season all hunting will be closed including private land.
Post by: Bango skank on March 27, 2020, 04:26:24 PM
What about hunting privateI think there is general agreement that the actual hunting isn’t the problem. It’s the buying gas, pop, food, and everything else that sometimes goes with it. Walking out your back door for a bird would be like walking down the street to a lake to fish. No problem. Running around to get lures and bait and flies probably isn’t best practice right now
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If they close the hunting season all hunting will be closed including private land.
:yeah:
Fishing isnt open on private
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Post by: Limhangerslayer on March 27, 2020, 04:32:28 PM
you will not stop me from fishing my brother's private pond. Just sayingWhat about hunting privateI think there is general agreement that the actual hunting isn’t the problem. It’s the buying gas, pop, food, and everything else that sometimes goes with it. Walking out your back door for a bird would be like walking down the street to a lake to fish. No problem. Running around to get lures and bait and flies probably isn’t best practice right now
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If they close the hunting season all hunting will be closed including private land.
:yeah:
Fishing isnt open on private
Post by: Russ McDonald on March 27, 2020, 04:57:46 PM
To be in alignment with State and federal guidelines relating to the COVID-19 pandemic, effective March 27, 2020, all Okanogan-Wenatchee National Forest developed recreation sites are closed until April 8 or until such measures are lifted.
Developed recreation sites now closed include campgrounds, snow parks, restroom facilities, day-use areas, recreation rental facilities including cabins and fire lookouts, and trailheads. In addition, Okanogan-Wenatchee National Forest offices are currently conducting public business by phone, email, or through web-based transactions; critical in-person business is being handled by appointment only to minimize person-to-person contact. Lucerne and Fields landing remain open for ferry service.
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Post by: TheStovePipeKid on March 27, 2020, 06:25:08 PM
you will not stop me from fishing my brother's private pond. Just sayingWhat about hunting privateI think there is general agreement that the actual hunting isn’t the problem. It’s the buying gas, pop, food, and everything else that sometimes goes with it. Walking out your back door for a bird would be like walking down the street to a lake to fish. No problem. Running around to get lures and bait and flies probably isn’t best practice right now
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If they close the hunting season all hunting will be closed including private land.
:yeah:
Fishing isnt open on private
From my understanding a lake that resides entirely within a parcel(s) owned by a single person or couple is considered private and is regulated by said owners. If the boundaries of the lake are connected to multiple parcels owned by multiple individuals, such as a neighborhood on a lake, then WDFW assumes ownership of the lake and requires a liscense to fish it.
Post by: follow maggie on March 27, 2020, 07:17:51 PM
Post by: ThurstonCokid on March 27, 2020, 07:27:15 PM
No way would they refund tags that then got closed down. Money is the only thing wdfw cares about & they’re not letting go of any of it.
So do you think they keep it open to reduce the flack they catch.. or close it and non refund?
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Post by: Bango skank on March 27, 2020, 07:32:14 PM
Why would they refund a turkey tag when that tag is good in the fall. It will suck big time if they *censored* it down but I highly highly doubt they will refund any tags.
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Because lets be real, people are buying these tags to hunt the spring, and wdfw knows it.
And, going off their own regs, you can get a refund with a physicians statement saying you should not hunt. Id imagine it would be very easy to get your family doctor to emsil a statement instructing you to stay home due to the pandemic.
Post by: Bigshooter on March 27, 2020, 07:58:42 PM
Post by: Bango skank on March 27, 2020, 08:01:20 PM
If you're worried about getting a refund on a $15 tag you probably can't afford to hunt in the first place.
Small game license: $40.59
Turkey tag: $15.90
2nd turkey tag: $15.90
Total: $72.39
But its not the money, its the principal.
Post by: Ridgeratt on March 27, 2020, 08:02:53 PM
If you're worried about getting a refund on a $15 tag you probably can't afford to hunt in the first place.
Perhaps the best quote of the day.
:tup: :tup:
Post by: ThurstonCokid on March 27, 2020, 08:05:13 PM
If you're worried about getting a refund on a $15 tag you probably can't afford to hunt in the first place.
Perhaps the best quote of the day.
:tup: :tup:
I’m not worried about the refund. It’s absolutely the principle.. i just know some people, including lots on this forum will be sending an email/phone calls if it comes down to it.
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Post by: follow maggie on March 27, 2020, 08:15:58 PM
No way would they refund tags that then got closed down. Money is the only thing wdfw cares about & they’re not letting go of any of it.
So do you think they keep it open to reduce the flack they catch.. or close it and non refund?
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Cancelled season with no refund, if they cancel it
Post by: ThurstonCokid on March 27, 2020, 08:17:16 PM
No way would they refund tags that then got closed down. Money is the only thing wdfw cares about & they’re not letting go of any of it.
So do you think they keep it open to reduce the flack they catch.. or close it and non refund?
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Cancelled season with no refund, if they cancel it
Exactly what I’d anticipate. Which is completely understandable
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Post by: Bango skank on March 27, 2020, 08:20:31 PM
Post by: ThurstonCokid on March 27, 2020, 08:21:15 PM
Anybody else kinda feel like were all going to get this treatment this year?
Brutal... i sure hope not lol
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Post by: Bango skank on March 27, 2020, 08:22:08 PM
No way would they refund tags that then got closed down. Money is the only thing wdfw cares about & they’re not letting go of any of it.
So do you think they keep it open to reduce the flack they catch.. or close it and non refund?
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Cancelled season with no refund, if they cancel it
Exactly what I’d anticipate. Which is completely understandable
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Its not understandable. If your agency sells people hunting rights, then tells them theyre not allowed to hunt, you need to give them their money back.
What if this was the private sector? Hey bearpaw, if you sell somebody a multi thousand dollar guided hound hunt, then cancel the hunt, are you keeping the money? Or do you feel obligated to issue a refund?
Post by: Ridgeratt on March 27, 2020, 08:24:31 PM
Post by: Bango skank on March 27, 2020, 08:26:30 PM
So let's say that they don't open it on the 15th. But postponed it for 3 weeks and extended it for the same amount. So it went into June.
Its still not as advertised. Not the product you payed for. Breeding season is done, not the same opportunity.
Post by: ctwiggs1 on March 27, 2020, 08:27:56 PM
So let's say that they don't open it on the 15th. But postponed it for 3 weeks and extended it for the same amount. So it went into June.
Its still not as advertised. Not the product you payed for. Breeding season is done, not the same opportunity.
I’d be game. I hunt late May anyways. Fewer people and the birds seem to call just fine.
Post by: ThurstonCokid on March 27, 2020, 08:28:46 PM
So let's say that they don't open it on the 15th. But postponed it for 3 weeks and extended it for the same amount. So it went into June.
Its still not as advertised. Not the product you payed for. Breeding season is done, not the same opportunity.
I’d be game. I hunt late May anyways. Fewer people and the birds seem to call just fine.
I personally like the earlier season. Always have had better luck callin birds in. Mays have been tough for me
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Post by: hunter399 on March 27, 2020, 08:45:16 PM
Post by: follow maggie on March 27, 2020, 08:45:47 PM
So let's say that they don't open it on the 15th. But postponed it for 3 weeks and extended it for the same amount. So it went into June.
I think this would be OK. Some wouldn't like it, I guess. I've always had better luck with turkey late in the season. Even if it's not ideal, sometimes we have to take what we can get under special circumstances. But to cancel it & keep the money is BS.
Post by: TheStovePipeKid on March 27, 2020, 08:45:57 PM
Post by: Bango skank on March 27, 2020, 08:51:10 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 27, 2020, 09:01:32 PM
Post by: Mulie87 on March 27, 2020, 09:27:36 PM
Extending the season? You must have Washington confused with a state that cares. Good luck with that. Save your money and don’t buy tags until that season is here and open. That’s my plan. And I agree with one of the posters above, if it’s closed I will not buy my turkey tags or my fishing license for this year. I would not hold your breath for a refund. We all know that the state loves to take your money and not allow you to hunt.
Post by: JeffRaines on March 27, 2020, 09:44:56 PM
All i know is, i intend to start lion hunting april 1st. If they close me out of that i will be calling my physician to get a letter recommending i not hunt all year, and getting everything ive purchased refunded, including my raffle tickets. Ive got a whole pile of idaho tags, i dont need to put up with this crap
Hate to break it to you Bango but these restrictions are coming to Idaho(and all other states) sooner rather than later unless some miracle cure comes down the pipe.
I agree it sucks. I planned on spring bear in Idaho this year but I doubt that’s in the cards considering what’s going on.
Post by: Bango skank on March 27, 2020, 09:48:13 PM
All i know is, i intend to start lion hunting april 1st. If they close me out of that i will be calling my physician to get a letter recommending i not hunt all year, and getting everything ive purchased refunded, including my raffle tickets. Ive got a whole pile of idaho tags, i dont need to put up with this crap
Hate to break it to you Bango but these restrictions are coming to Idaho(and all other states) sooner rather than later unless some miracle cure comes down the pipe.
I agree it sucks. I planned on spring bear in Idaho this year but I doubt that’s in the cards considering what’s going on.
Im planning on spring bear in idaho too. If idaho shuts down hunting, ill bend over double and eat my own butt.
Post by: carlyoungs on March 27, 2020, 10:12:39 PM
Post by: Bango skank on March 27, 2020, 10:19:10 PM
That is a bad visual :yike:
Yes, it is
Post by: Wazntme on March 27, 2020, 10:43:34 PM
Post by: hunter399 on March 27, 2020, 10:53:24 PM
Hunter399 wouldn’t that be great if you had the whole forest to yourself to hunt turkeys! Nice tryHonestly I've calm down a little since my post.
I rarely see anybody in the spring where I hunt anyway and also have private ground I can hunt so I have no need to block you guys out.
Closing season fishing or hunting just doesn't sit right with me .
Post by: CaNINE on March 28, 2020, 05:41:15 AM
Post by: Ghost Hunter on March 28, 2020, 07:24:29 AM
Hunter399 wouldn’t that be great if you had the whole forest to yourself to hunt turkeys! Nice tryHonestly I've calm down a little since my post.
I rarely see anybody in the spring where I hunt anyway and also have private ground I can hunt so I have no need to block you guys out.
Closing season fishing or hunting just doesn't sit right with me .
:tup: If you have Onx, pull up a few GMU's and see how well that would work. :chuckle: You would end up closer to your neighbor than if you stayed home. :bdid:
Post by: hunter399 on March 28, 2020, 08:23:44 AM
I pretty sure most gmu in NE Washington are like 30-40% public/timber land ,soooo I'm pretty sure I would be farther from my neighbor than most.Hunter399 wouldn’t that be great if you had the whole forest to yourself to hunt turkeys! Nice tryHonestly I've calm down a little since my post.
I rarely see anybody in the spring where I hunt anyway and also have private ground I can hunt so I have no need to block you guys out.
Closing season fishing or hunting just doesn't sit right with me .
:tup: If you have Onx, pull up a few GMU's and see how well that would work. :chuckle: You would end up closer to your neighbor than if you stayed home. :bdid:
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Post by: Ghost Hunter on March 28, 2020, 08:34:02 AM
I pretty sure most gmu in NE Washington are like 30-40% public/timber land ,soooo I'm pretty sure I would be farther from my neighbor than most.Hunter399 wouldn’t that be great if you had the whole forest to yourself to hunt turkeys! Nice tryHonestly I've calm down a little since my post.
I rarely see anybody in the spring where I hunt anyway and also have private ground I can hunt so I have no need to block you guys out.
Closing season fishing or hunting just doesn't sit right with me .
:tup: If you have Onx, pull up a few GMU's and see how well that would work. :chuckle: You would end up closer to your neighbor than if you stayed home. :bdid:
And for Region 4 or 5 GMU's.
Post by: hunter399 on March 28, 2020, 08:39:28 AM
All I can say about region 4 or 5 is that is a personal choice to live where ya want.I pretty sure most gmu in NE Washington are like 30-40% public/timber land ,soooo I'm pretty sure I would be farther from my neighbor than most.Hunter399 wouldn’t that be great if you had the whole forest to yourself to hunt turkeys! Nice tryHonestly I've calm down a little since my post.
I rarely see anybody in the spring where I hunt anyway and also have private ground I can hunt so I have no need to block you guys out.
Closing season fishing or hunting just doesn't sit right with me .
:tup: If you have Onx, pull up a few GMU's and see how well that would work. :chuckle: You would end up closer to your neighbor than if you stayed home. :bdid:
And for Region 4 or 5 GMU's.
Post by: hunter399 on March 28, 2020, 09:15:07 AM
Post by: Fl0und3rz on March 28, 2020, 09:39:23 AM
We’re all just pissed in general right now. A lot to be concerned about and high uncertainty. Now the prospect of losing temporary access to something we all love is a bitter pill. My family’s been sheltering in place for 3 weeks now and it’s my daughters last turkey season before heading off to start college in the fall. Having another hunt together was something we are both looking forward to. But life isn’t always fair and we have to do what’s right. We’ll see where things are in a few weeks.
Great post. :tup:
Post by: Ghost Hunter on March 28, 2020, 09:59:36 AM
All I can say about region 4 or 5 is that is a personal choice to live where ya want.I pretty sure most gmu in NE Washington are like 30-40% public/timber land ,soooo I'm pretty sure I would be farther from my neighbor than most.Hunter399 wouldn’t that be great if you had the whole forest to yourself to hunt turkeys! Nice tryHonestly I've calm down a little since my post.
I rarely see anybody in the spring where I hunt anyway and also have private ground I can hunt so I have no need to block you guys out.
Closing season fishing or hunting just doesn't sit right with me .
:tup: If you have Onx, pull up a few GMU's and see how well that would work. :chuckle: You would end up closer to your neighbor than if you stayed home. :bdid:
And for Region 4 or 5 GMU's.
Coming to a GMU near you. We are at least a couple generations in on the eastward movement. Get ready to bang elbows with your neighbors, unless this thins the herd. :twocents:
Post by: Dan-o on March 28, 2020, 11:07:57 AM
I will be very bummed if they close it.
Post by: Mulie87 on March 28, 2020, 03:10:19 PM
Post by: 253shotgunner on March 28, 2020, 04:33:57 PM
Interesting. I went on wdfw to see how much everything would add up to, and got this mssg when I tried to select a turkey tag. 🤔 they won’t even let u buy a tag. Doesn’t look promising, guys.
You can't buy a cougar tag either. >:(
Post by: hughjorgan on March 28, 2020, 04:38:52 PM
Interesting. I went on wdfw to see how much everything would add up to, and got this mssg when I tried to select a turkey tag. 🤔 they won’t even let u buy a tag. Doesn’t look promising, guys.
You can't buy a cougar tag either. >:(
The likely reasoning why you can’t buy tags right now is because those working to print and mail these tags are NOT essential employees. They aren’t working, hence why they give you the covid 19 message.
Post by: Bango skank on March 28, 2020, 04:47:40 PM
Interesting. I went on wdfw to see how much everything would add up to, and got this mssg when I tried to select a turkey tag. 🤔 they won’t even let u buy a tag. Doesn’t look promising, guys.
You can't buy a cougar tag either. >:(
When you try to buy a lion tag does that covid message pop up too,
Post by: Mulie87 on March 28, 2020, 04:53:45 PM
Post by: hughjorgan on March 28, 2020, 05:22:18 PM
So of you prescribe to the reasoning that you can’t buy a tag because the wdfw employees aren’t, then we should be able to go to Walmart and buy them, since Walmart is open. I hope that’s the case, but I suspect wdfw just isn’t telling is that they aren’t opening turkey season. 🤬
It’s still ran by people in Olympia who aren’t there because of the governors proclamation to STAY HOME. It’s not like they weren’t selling them before, plenty of people already bought their tags and license.
Post by: CJ1962 on March 28, 2020, 06:10:17 PM
Maybe Spring Bear and Youth Turkey season have a chance, but I could see the general Spring Turkey season be limited to the County you live in. :twocents:
Post by: ThurstonCokid on March 28, 2020, 06:26:22 PM
Go to http://www.theoutdoorline.com/podcasts. Scroll down to the 2 part Kelly Susewind on fishing closures. My opinion from listening is; the closures don't have anything to do with Anglers and Hunters keeping their social distances. But is more to do with the hordes that will descend on certain areas and steal or buy all the toilet paper.
Maybe Spring Bear and Youth Turkey season have a chance, but I could see the general Spring Turkey season be limited to the County you live in. :twocents:
Great link! thank you, looks like we will know more on the 6th
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Post by: buckfvr on March 28, 2020, 06:30:51 PM
Go to http://www.theoutdoorline.com/podcasts. Scroll down to the 2 part Kelly Susewind on fishing closures. My opinion from listening is; the closures don't have anything to do with Anglers and Hunters keeping their social distances. But is more to do with the hordes that will descend on certain areas and steal or buy all the toilet paper.
Maybe Spring Bear and Youth Turkey season have a chance, but I could see the general Spring Turkey season be limited to the County you live in. :twocents:
Yaa thatd be a great idea, run the kids all over the place and get them sick....
Post by: Gobble Doc on March 28, 2020, 07:25:52 PM
East of the Cascades, local health districts in 17 counties reported more than 380 cases and 11 deaths, according to the state health department. One hundred of those cases were in Yakima County and five of the deaths were reported in Benton County.
In Spokane, a woman in her 50s died from the disease in a hospital Saturday, marking the second local death within a day, according to the Spokane Regional Health District.
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Post by: jackelope on March 28, 2020, 07:44:10 PM
Go to http://www.theoutdoorline.com/podcasts. Scroll down to the 2 part Kelly Susewind on fishing closures. My opinion from listening is; the closures don't have anything to do with Anglers and Hunters keeping their social distances. But is more to do with the hordes that will descend on certain areas and steal or buy all the toilet paper.
Maybe Spring Bear and Youth Turkey season have a chance, but I could see the general Spring Turkey season be limited to the County you live in. :twocents:
Correct. It’s to prevent travel because we’re supposed to be staying home.
Post by: jackelope on March 28, 2020, 07:45:42 PM
Cases increasing.
East of the Cascades, local health districts in 17 counties reported more than 380 cases and 11 deaths, according to the state health department. One hundred of those cases were in Yakima County and five of the deaths were reported in Benton County.
In Spokane, a woman in her 50s died from the disease in a hospital Saturday, marking the second local death within a day, according to the Spokane Regional Health District.
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I’m told Yakima looks like normal. Business as usual. Nobody’s paying attention to the orders put in place. What do you know... cases rising. Weird. Franklin county is at 16 cases now too. Hmmm.
Post by: teanawayslayer on March 28, 2020, 07:56:42 PM
from what I can tell Yakima is mostly paying attention to the order. I am shut down for working in the Yakima area. I am an essential employee and we are not working in Yakima. Having to travel to tri cities to work.Cases increasing.
East of the Cascades, local health districts in 17 counties reported more than 380 cases and 11 deaths, according to the state health department. One hundred of those cases were in Yakima County and five of the deaths were reported in Benton County.
In Spokane, a woman in her 50s died from the disease in a hospital Saturday, marking the second local death within a day, according to the Spokane Regional Health District.
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I’m told Yakima looks like normal. Business as usual. Nobody’s paying attention to the orders put in place. What do you know... cases rising. Weird. Franklin county is at 16 cases now too. Hmmm.
Post by: Russ McDonald on March 28, 2020, 08:08:29 PM
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Post by: Bango skank on March 28, 2020, 08:13:46 PM
I hear that you can buy tags in a store. I thought I saw a post somewhere in the forum that the director of WDFW was on a podcast and said they will make a decision or decide on something on the 1st for turkey ans spring bear. Just what I heard.
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Susewind said they would make sn announcement on monday.
Post by: follow maggie on March 28, 2020, 09:44:22 PM
I hear that you can buy tags in a store. I thought I saw a post somewhere in the forum that the director of WDFW was on a podcast and said they will make a decision or decide on something on the 1st for turkey ans spring bear. Just what I heard.
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Don't buy a tag until the day you go.
Post by: Mulie87 on March 28, 2020, 09:48:28 PM
Post by: follow maggie on March 28, 2020, 10:19:11 PM
I’m with you, magie👍 This state will burn you in a second and laugh when u ask fir a refund.
:yeah:
Post by: Russ McDonald on March 29, 2020, 06:39:48 AM
Already bought my tags and not to worried about it. I wasn't really planning on hunting my self. I was taking other first time hunters out. Veterans mostly. My tags were for just in case I get a chance. They are good for the fall anyway.I hear that you can buy tags in a store. I thought I saw a post somewhere in the forum that the director of WDFW was on a podcast and said they will make a decision or decide on something on the 1st for turkey ans spring bear. Just what I heard.
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Don't buy a tag until the day you go.
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Post by: Fl0und3rz on March 29, 2020, 06:45:02 AM
I hear that you can buy tags in a store. I thought I saw a post somewhere in the forum that the director of WDFW was on a podcast and said they will make a decision or decide on something on the 1st for turkey ans spring bear. Just what I heard.
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Don't buy a tag until the day you go.
That's my plan, if it is open this year.
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on March 29, 2020, 07:15:36 AM
I’m with you, magie👍 This state will burn you in a second and laugh when u ask fir a refund.
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Post by: Timberstalker on March 29, 2020, 09:34:35 AM
Shaniqua?She’s always open for business. Always.
Post by: hunter399 on March 30, 2020, 08:38:29 AM
If they leave it open as it sits now are you going to travel to hunt?
Significant travel not advised
What I'm saying is how many would travel even after they have told you not too ,If Turkey season was left open.
Post by: Dan-o on March 30, 2020, 08:43:30 AM
i would.
I would travel to E. Washington and hunt where I haven't been within 300 yards of anyone the last 8 years.
I would camp in my rig.
I can gas up here with mask and gloves, and will bring my own food.
does that seem unwise?
If so, where am I adding risk to myself or others?
Post by: jackelope on March 30, 2020, 08:49:18 AM
Post by: hunter399 on March 30, 2020, 08:50:04 AM
Honestly I have no problem with it ,I don't even have a Turkey tag .my son has a tag and I take him every spring .So I already took time off from work for it .Just kinda wish they could make up there mind.
i would.
I would travel to E. Washington and hunt where I haven't been within 300 yards of anyone the last 8 years.
I would camp in my rig.
I can gas up here with mask and gloves, and will bring my own food.
does that seem unwise?
If so, where am I adding risk to myself or others?
Post by: vandeman17 on March 30, 2020, 08:51:13 AM
i would.
I would travel to E. Washington and hunt where I haven't been within 300 yards of anyone the last 8 years.
I would camp in my rig.
I can gas up here with mask and gloves, and will bring my own food.
does that seem unwise?
If so, where am I adding risk to myself or others?
I totally understand your logic but for me, I will be sheltering in place because it is the right thing to do. It is one turkey season, maybe not even all of it so going out to the woods to me, is not even a option. :twocents:
Post by: Dan-o on March 30, 2020, 08:51:58 AM
Honestly I have no problem with it ,I don't even have a Turkey tag .my son has a tag and I take him every spring .So I already took time off from work for it .Just kinda wish they could make up there mind.
i would.
I would travel to E. Washington and hunt where I haven't been within 300 yards of anyone the last 8 years.
I would camp in my rig.
I can gas up here with mask and gloves, and will bring my own food.
does that seem unwise?
If so, where am I adding risk to myself or others?
You and me both.
I've grown to love spring turkey hunting way more than I ever thought I would.
Post by: Dan-o on March 30, 2020, 08:58:02 AM
i would.
I would travel to E. Washington and hunt where I haven't been within 300 yards of anyone the last 8 years.
I would camp in my rig.
I can gas up here with mask and gloves, and will bring my own food.
does that seem unwise?
If so, where am I adding risk to myself or others?
I totally understand your logic but for me, I will be sheltering in place because it is the right thing to do. It is one turkey season, maybe not even all of it so going out to the woods to me, is not even a option. :twocents:
Hey Vandeman, I'm not trying to argue.......... I am trying to understand.
I respect what you bring to the forum, so maybe help me out here?
I'm looking for why I should stay indoors if I can effectively "socially distance" myself while turkey hunting.
I think I get the shelter in place thing........ maybe.
We walk our dogs and have managed to stay 20+ yards from neighbors.
But walking in my neighborhood seems like way more exposure than driving in my car to the wood where I am never close to anybody.
What am I missing?
Thanks.
Post by: KFhunter on March 30, 2020, 08:59:32 AM
https://www.podbean.com/eu/pb-nvwn2-d76ecb
I think the odds are *very good* it will be shut down.
Post by: jackelope on March 30, 2020, 09:00:31 AM
i would.
I would travel to E. Washington and hunt where I haven't been within 300 yards of anyone the last 8 years.
I would camp in my rig.
I can gas up here with mask and gloves, and will bring my own food.
does that seem unwise?
If so, where am I adding risk to myself or others?
I totally understand your logic but for me, I will be sheltering in place because it is the right thing to do. It is one turkey season, maybe not even all of it so going out to the woods to me, is not even a option. :twocents:
Hey Vandeman, I'm not trying to argue.......... I am trying to understand.
I respect what you bring to the forum, so maybe help me out here?
I'm looking for why I should stay indoors if I can effectively "socially distance" myself while turkey hunting.
I think I get the shelter in place thing........ maybe.
We walk our dogs and have managed to stay 20+ yards from neighbors.
But walking in my neighborhood seems like way more exposure than driving in my car to the wood where I am never close to anybody.
What am I missing?
Thanks.
Staying in your neighborhood keeps whatever potential you have for spreading it to your neighborhood, and out of whatever eastern WA county you plan to hunt in.
Post by: KFhunter on March 30, 2020, 09:05:48 AM
but he's one of 1000's, most would at a minimum... hit up a grocery store for some food item they forgot to pack, if they packed much.
Post by: vandeman17 on March 30, 2020, 09:10:22 AM
i would.
I would travel to E. Washington and hunt where I haven't been within 300 yards of anyone the last 8 years.
I would camp in my rig.
I can gas up here with mask and gloves, and will bring my own food.
does that seem unwise?
If so, where am I adding risk to myself or others?
I totally understand your logic but for me, I will be sheltering in place because it is the right thing to do. It is one turkey season, maybe not even all of it so going out to the woods to me, is not even a option. :twocents:
Hey Vandeman, I'm not trying to argue.......... I am trying to understand.
I respect what you bring to the forum, so maybe help me out here?
I'm looking for why I should stay indoors if I can effectively "socially distance" myself while turkey hunting.
I think I get the shelter in place thing........ maybe.
We walk our dogs and have managed to stay 20+ yards from neighbors.
But walking in my neighborhood seems like way more exposure than driving in my car to the wood where I am never close to anybody.
What am I missing?
Thanks.
I respect you and your thoughts as well. I am just a believer that if we all limited as many variables as possible, we will be better off as a whole. You getting sick or getting someone else is extremely low by doing what you said, but its even lower if you don't.
I understand that hunting/fishing is our passions and we live for it, trust me, I totally get it and feel it to my soul. With that said, I am trying to flip the negative into a positive in two ways. First is knowing that at least I am doing MY part in trying to help the current situation we are facing. Second is that I am trying to use this time to better myself at home by reading more, finishing chores that I have otherwise put off etc.
I think its all about our perspective and how we view what we are doing. It sounds cheesy but I really do believe that.
Post by: jackelope on March 30, 2020, 09:11:56 AM
If Dan-o adhered to what he said he'd do (and I have no doubts he would) then the risk he poses to E.WA county is nill.
but he's one of 1000's, most would at a minimum... hit up a grocery store for some food item they forgot to pack, if they packed much.
This is the issue. 1 guy can say he'll do that, but the simple fact of the matter is not 100% of the people would.
Post by: MR5x5 on March 30, 2020, 09:17:19 AM
It's like calling a flock of geese. You know, you are not calling the flock, you are calling a single bird. Get him to commit and the rest will follow and the killing will begin.
I suspect that is what will happen as soon as people start leaking out into the woods. Ultimately it will result in a lot of people making a lot of bad decisions.
I spend a lot of time in the Palouse every year hunting properties where I have become friends with the landowners. One heck of a lot of those landowners are old timers.
I for one will not be going over for the opener at the risk of contributing to the heard stampeding and put my friends in real danger over a g-damn turkey.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 30, 2020, 09:22:53 AM
Post by: Pinetar on March 30, 2020, 09:27:01 AM
Truck is all fueled up just sitting around and I can make it to the turkeys and back about 5 times before I'd have to get more fuel. I don't have to stop for a single thing and I avoid people like the black plague even before covid-19 :chuckle I'll be turkey hunting.I don't know where some of you guys turkey hunt but if you are encountering that many folks I'd go looking for a new spot because that's not normal :twocents:
Even if WDFW says it is closed and illegal to hunt Turkeys?
Post by: Russ McDonald on March 30, 2020, 09:27:34 AM
Post by: scooby on March 30, 2020, 09:28:55 AM
i would.
I would travel to E. Washington and hunt where I haven't been within 300 yards of anyone the last 8 years.
I would camp in my rig.
I can gas up here with mask and gloves, and will bring my own food.
does that seem unwise?
If so, where am I adding risk to myself or others?
I totally understand your logic but for me, I will be sheltering in place because it is the right thing to do. It is one turkey season, maybe not even all of it so going out to the woods to me, is not even a option. :twocents:
Hey Vandeman, I'm not trying to argue.......... I am trying to understand.
I respect what you bring to the forum, so maybe help me out here?
I'm looking for why I should stay indoors if I can effectively "socially distance" myself while turkey hunting.
I think I get the shelter in place thing........ maybe.
We walk our dogs and have managed to stay 20+ yards from neighbors.
But walking in my neighborhood seems like way more exposure than driving in my car to the wood where I am never close to anybody.
What am I missing?
Thanks.
Staying in your neighborhood keeps whatever potential you have for spreading it to your neighborhood, and out of whatever eastern WA county you plan to hunt in.
That's totally the main point. Others are that while I'm sure YOU (and a lot of other folks on this board) are positive that they have everything they need to jump in the truck and head to the woods without any extra stops...most hunters and fishers aren't ready to do that. It will require an EXTRA trip to the grocery store, an EXTRA trip to whatever outfitter is open now, an EXTRA trip to the gas station, an EXTRA trip(s) in to rest area to take a leak, and then end up in an area where they are not only spreading but also receiving any possible virus that they never needed to.
On top of that, it's probably not gonna happen, but what if you get in a car wreck? What if you stick an arrow through your hand or blow out a knee? You really want to go to the hospital right now? I sure as hell don't. Not only will you be taking available medical resources away from people who need them, but you're gonna end up in an emergency room somewhere sweating your ass off every time you take a breath. Or, even WORSE, I don't want to hear once I get camp set up and I'm out in the turkey woods that my wife has a cough and is getting nervous about how warm she's feeling and I'm at least 8 hours away from getting home. Also, on the flip side of that, I don't want to be 8 hours away from home waking up to gobbles in a cold sweat having a hard time breathing and I have to hit the SOS on my Garmin knowing the whole damn time I should have just stayed home.
The reality is that for everyone one dude who says "well *censored* I can just fish/hunt in the land across the street by myself, this closure is stupid" there are probably a hundred (maybe a thousand+) dudes who want to hunt as much as they do who need to make at least one or two extra trips to do it as well, and it's all so unnecessary in the grand scheme of things.
I'm a liberal-ass west-sider but I care for folks on the east as much as I do here, and I'm not going to bring my germs and extra traffic to your great part of the state unless I know it's safe. For me AND for you. I've seen the hospital in Republic, and I bet they are all great at their jobs there, but I don't want to put people there or end up there myself when I could have just stayed the hell home.
Post by: KFhunter on March 30, 2020, 09:31:11 AM
Truck is all fueled up just sitting around and I can make it to the turkeys and back about 5 times before I'd have to get more fuel. I don't have to stop for a single thing and I avoid people like the black plague even before covid-19 :chuckle I'll be turkey hunting.I don't know where some of you guys turkey hunt but if you are encountering that many folks I'd go looking for a new spot because that's not normal :twocents:Again...its not guys like you and dan-o
It's the throng of others who like an Acorn burger and a few beers, folks who stay at Bennys motel, people that buy groceries at Super 1 and shop walmart for a 6th box of turkey shot shells.
Its for people who had no idea they were infected with covid-19 when they left the westside 3 days ago now they're out in the woods wondering why they can't catch their breath and dont feel well so the next morning it gets worse and they cant drive back home, so they plug up an icu bed in a 3 bed hospital that doesn't have a respirator.
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Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 30, 2020, 09:33:23 AM
Truck is all fueled up just sitting around and I can make it to the turkeys and back about 5 times before I'd have to get more fuel. I don't have to stop for a single thing and I avoid people like the black plague even before covid-19 :chuckle I'll be turkey hunting.I don't know where some of you guys turkey hunt but if you are encountering that many folks I'd go looking for a new spot because that's not normal :twocents:
Even if WDFW says it is closed and illegal to hunt Turkeys?
Well of course not. That wasn't the question.
The question was if it was left open would you go.....
I guess the big question is.
If they leave it open as it sits now are you going to travel to hunt?
Significant travel not advised
What I'm saying is how many would travel even after they have told you not too ,If Turkey season was left open.
Post by: bigtex on March 30, 2020, 09:33:38 AM
:tup: well saidTruck is all fueled up just sitting around and I can make it to the turkeys and back about 5 times before I'd have to get more fuel. I don't have to stop for a single thing and I avoid people like the black plague even before covid-19 :chuckle I'll be turkey hunting.I don't know where some of you guys turkey hunt but if you are encountering that many folks I'd go looking for a new spot because that's not normal :twocents:Again...its not guys like you and dan-o
It's the throng of others who like an Acorn burger and a few beers, folks who stay at Bennys motel, people that buy groceries at Super 1 and shop walmart for a 6th box of turkey shot shells.
Its for people who had no idea they were infected with covid-19 when they left the westside 3 days ago now they're out in the woods wondering why they can't catch their breath and dont feel well so the next morning it gets worse and they cant drive back home, so they plug up an icu bed in a 3 bed hospital that doesn't have a respirator.
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Post by: Dan-o on March 30, 2020, 09:46:57 AM
Some of you are making headway in convincing me not to go.
*censored*. >:(
Post by: KFhunter on March 30, 2020, 09:52:06 AM
I would suggest that people dont go door knocking though seeking permission to hunt.
Im just debating the probability of a shutdown and reasonings behind it, and don't wish to single out a HW'r or guilt them into not going cause many others will if its open..so I dont see the point in guilting 1 or 2 HW'rs out of their fun.
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Post by: MR5x5 on March 30, 2020, 09:54:47 AM
Birds won't be all tight beaked due to a million people in the woods doing pre-season locating. Hens will be nested tight. Bachelor groups on prowl looking to break quarantine.
It's going to be epic!
Post by: Gobble Doc on March 30, 2020, 09:55:14 AM
If Dan-o adhered to what he said he'd do (and I have no doubts he would) then the risk he poses to E.WA county is nill.Truck breaks and needs a tow? Now you are talking with a two truck driver. Or worse someone plows into your truck and you end up in a Spokane hospital where my son works and you are another stress on their resources. Or out buying extra gas for your trip. Just saying that there are unforeseen events that happen when someone travels. Less so if you are staying put at home.
but he's one of 1000's, most would at a minimum... hit up a grocery store for some food item they forgot to pack, if they packed much.
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Post by: KFhunter on March 30, 2020, 10:03:47 AM
But some of you make a good argument for going turkey hunting.I just don't see the point in guilting a small handfull of guys, while the masses don't even have a HW account.
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Post by: konradcountry on March 30, 2020, 10:04:31 AM
Or, even WORSE, I don't want to hear once I get camp set up and I'm out in the turkey woods that my wife has a cough and is getting nervous about how warm she's feeling and I'm at least 8 hours away from getting home.
This is how I feel.
I wouldn't feel right about leaving my wife to drive across the state just to shoot turkeys.
I did pretty well the last few years so I'm fine with someone else taking my turkey.
Of course I want to go but I'm gonna shock my wife instead and tell her I'm doing flooring downstairs.
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on March 30, 2020, 10:09:44 AM
The birds will all.be bigger and better next year if we are still alive that is.
Post by: KFhunter on March 30, 2020, 10:10:00 AM
Turkey hunting is the one thing that WA actually gets non-res hunters for, even NYC'rs come Turkey hunting in WA
Its gonna suck fir guys like Bearpaw outfitters, I see a lot of non-res Turkey hunters in his success topics :(
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Post by: Fl0und3rz on March 30, 2020, 10:19:31 AM
What am I missing?
Thanks.
It's not you, who can pay attention to guidelines, act responsibly, and avoid problematic contacts. It's the 2-10 other people who see you going about your business as mostly normal, and think, if he can do X, why can't I do Y, and that cascades into 100 people thinking the same.
We already see that here with the pot shops, liquor stores, casinos, etc. Yeah, it's a one-size fits most, and I loath it as much as the next guy. But it is necessary, because it is everyone for himself or herself in the USA.
People wonder how S. Korea fared so well without lockdows?
Seoul’s handling of the outbreak emphasises transparency and relies heavily on public cooperation in place of hardline measures such as lockdowns.
https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/health-environment/article/3075164/south-koreas-coronavirus-response-opposite-china-and
In my opinion, aside from the bureacratic quagmire that is federalism (and timing), that is the biggest reason that S. Korea is on the downslope of this while we are still ramping up.
Post by: Gobble Doc on March 30, 2020, 10:31:51 AM
I was thinking about myself as my kid has a youth tag and has never been before. It would be fun to take him out. Maybe subconsciously wanting to be talked into going.But some of you make a good argument for going turkey hunting.I just don't see the point in guilting a small handfull of guys, while the masses don't even have a HW account.
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Post by: Dan-o on March 30, 2020, 10:37:48 AM
Just think about how good it will be when they open it back up in May!
Birds won't be all tight beaked due to a million people in the woods doing pre-season locating. Hens will be nested tight. Bachelor groups on prowl looking to break quarantine.
It's going to be epic!
My whole quandary is your fault anyway!!!!!
If you hadn't originally gotten me into turkey hunting, I never would have started.
You and your stupid explanation about how turkeys are just feathered elk and you hunt them just like elk in the rut.
I've subconsciously been taking an elk rut hunt each spring.......... >:( >:( >:( >:(
Post by: huntnfmly on March 30, 2020, 10:39:08 AM
My daughter works in the health care field and deals with patients every day has to wear a mask all day.
Stay the f home people don't bring it to my daughter who could give it to my grandson when she gets home.
Her and every other health worker are being selfless.
Post by: MerriamMagician on March 30, 2020, 10:47:05 AM
Meanwhile, other states are encouraging people to get outdoors to hunt to get away from others. In some cases they are even waiving license and camping fees. Leave it to liberal WA to make headlines as the first state to cancel fishing, and now potentially turkey season. I understand everyones concerns given the circumstances, but cancelling turkey season is a solid no.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 30, 2020, 10:51:47 AM
Post by: TriggerMike on March 30, 2020, 10:54:21 AM
I hear that you can buy tags in a store. I thought I saw a post somewhere in the forum that the director of WDFW was on a podcast and said they will make a decision or decide on something on the 1st for turkey ans spring bear. Just what I heard.
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Susewind said they would make sn announcement on monday.
Monday as in today?
Post by: MR5x5 on March 30, 2020, 11:08:20 AM
I hear that you can buy tags in a store. I thought I saw a post somewhere in the forum that the director of WDFW was on a podcast and said they will make a decision or decide on something on the 1st for turkey ans spring bear. Just what I heard.
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Susewind said they would make sn announcement on monday.
Monday as in today?
Thinking it was April 1 for a decision.
Post by: huntnfmly on March 30, 2020, 11:10:30 AM
I think what annoys me the most about all of this is the hypocrisy of it all. I know this is the internet so everyone will swear they are in full on lock down but I have to spend 9hrs a day out and about and I see all the people in and out of stores all day long. So it's ok for people to expose our food service workers because 99.9% of people can't go more than 2 days without a trip to the store but I can be labeled selfish because I want to drive 26 min up the pass to spend some alone time with the turkeys? I'd like all the pots to meet the kettle. Start taking my safety and the safety of my coworkers seriously before you ask us to do the same. Living in those glass houses must be nice :twocents:I agree with you 100% it's not ok or right that you have to be exposed for 9hrs a day to others that are not staying home.
It's also not fair that my grandson gets sick because one of those people got sick and have it to my daughter who brings it home.
I've cancelled our Turkey trip that was going to be my grandsons first time going with us.
Glass houses? Not so much here
Post by: KFhunter on March 30, 2020, 11:18:29 AM
I think what annoys me the most about all of this is the hypocrisy of it all. I know this is the internet so everyone will swear they are in full on lock down but I have to spend 9hrs a day out and about and I see all the people in and out of stores all day long. So it's ok for people to expose our food service workers because 99.9% of people can't go more than 2 days without a trip to the store but I can be labeled selfish because I want to drive 26 min up the pass to spend some alone time with the turkeys? I'd like all the pots to meet the kettle. Start taking my safety and the safety of my coworkers seriously before you ask us to do the same. Living in those glass houses must be nice :twocents:
This is why this shelter in place order is going to drag on and on, until eventually literally no one is obeying it.
Then what?
Post by: KFhunter on March 30, 2020, 11:21:23 AM
I see that there is a wealth of opinions on this topic. My plan is to hunt turkeys as usual with proper caution and planning to avoid potentially affecting other people. Spring turkey hunting is the pinnacle of my entire year and has always been my favorite hunting.
I would be devastated if the season was cancelled or suspended. :twocents:
Meanwhile, other states are encouraging people to get outdoors to hunt to get away from others. In some cases they are even waiving license and camping fees. Leave it to liberal WA to make headlines as the first state to cancel fishing, and now potentially turkey season. I understand everyones concerns given the circumstances, but cancelling turkey season is a solid no.
The part in bold sums it up nicely. This is why an unenforced quarantine won't work entirely, it may help "flatten the curve" to a degree but it will not stop this virus.
All this is is training getting us ready for more and more restrictions, or if we're collectively "very good little children" perhaps we can flatten the curve enough for our healthcare system to keep up, which is the intention of this order. If people wholesale violate the stay in place order then our numbers of sick will climb, if it climbs to the point the healthcare is seriously overwhelmed then more draconian measures will be necessary.
but everyone is worried about that "I"
Post by: cbond3318 on March 30, 2020, 11:30:10 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 30, 2020, 11:31:15 AM
Covid-19 runs its course and what be will be.I think what annoys me the most about all of this is the hypocrisy of it all. I know this is the internet so everyone will swear they are in full on lock down but I have to spend 9hrs a day out and about and I see all the people in and out of stores all day long. So it's ok for people to expose our food service workers because 99.9% of people can't go more than 2 days without a trip to the store but I can be labeled selfish because I want to drive 26 min up the pass to spend some alone time with the turkeys? I'd like all the pots to meet the kettle. Start taking my safety and the safety of my coworkers seriously before you ask us to do the same. Living in those glass houses must be nice :twocents:
This is why this shelter in place order is going to drag on and on, until eventually literally no one is obeying it.
Then what?
*This next part is not directed at anyone specifically*
I'll say it again for the 9,000th time. I FULLY UNDERSTAND why the closures on fishing and I assume hunting are needed. In fact, I know more than most because I'm really out in it. What I am saying is every time you go to the store, any store, for your "essentials" you are putting people at risk of exposure but it's ok because its "essential". Folks can say they don't take unnecessary trips but its bull crap! Stores are breaking records left and right. The line at Costco this morning at 0730 was 30+ people long already. Everyone is doing projects around the house that end up with amazon orders or trips to the hardware store. You are forcing those people to have to be out. That's every bit as selfish as me wanting to go to the hills turkey hunting which will effect zero people besides myself. I haven't needed a tow truck in 22 years of driving and this would be no exception. I get that I have the luxury of being close to birds and that most don't and because of that a ban is coming. But before anyone labels anyone else "selfish" take a long look in the mirror and assess your own actions first. Your trip to the store for "essentials" (I use that term VERY loosely) has a MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH greater risk of human contact than my trip to the hills.
Post by: Bango skank on March 30, 2020, 11:37:03 AM
How many of you guys hunt the panhandle and would still come if it remains open here?
I intend to. Ill be bringing all my own food and water, sleeping in my truck, pumping gas a couple times and thats it. The only exception will be if i have to get a bear, cat or dog sealed.
I was going to head that way for cats and dogs over a week ago but decided not to for the time being, see how things develop. But when spring bear rolls around, if its not closed, im going.
Post by: cbond3318 on March 30, 2020, 11:44:03 AM
How many of you guys hunt the panhandle and would still come if it remains open here?
I intend to. Ill be bringing all my own food and water, sleeping in my truck, pumping gas a couple times and thats it. The only exception will be if i have to get a bear, cat or dog sealed.
I think Idaho will keep it open. They've actually made some statements since our lockdown that fishing and hunting seasons are in fact still open.
Before Idaho's lockdown but after Washingtons I had a shed trip planned but I would need to park in WA and paddle back across into Idaho for a 2 night trip. I was planning the same, full tank for there and back, pack my food etc... I ended up cancelling because I was worried about leaving my idaho plated truck in Wa while I was playing in Idaho knowing they were locked down and not too happy about it. Something to think about I guess.
There was quite a bit of recreation traffic from Wa this weekend in the Coeur D Alene area, downtown was a ghost town but lots of bike racks and kayaks coming in on the interstate.
Post by: KFhunter on March 30, 2020, 11:54:30 AM
I'll say it again for the 9,000th time. I FULLY UNDERSTAND why the closures on fishing and I assume hunting are needed. In fact, I know more than most because I'm really out in it. What I am saying is every time you go to the store, any store, for your "essentials" you are putting people at risk of exposure but it's ok because its "essential". Folks can say they don't take unnecessary trips but its bull crap! Stores are breaking records left and right. The line at Costco this morning at 0730 was 30+ people long already. Everyone is doing projects around the house that end up with amazon orders or trips to the hardware store. You are forcing those people to have to be out. That's every bit as selfish as me wanting to go to the hills turkey hunting which will effect zero people besides myself. I haven't needed a tow truck in 22 years of driving and this would be no exception. I get that I have the luxury of being close to birds and that most don't and because of that a ban is coming. But before anyone labels anyone else "selfish" take a long look in the mirror and assess your own actions first. Your trip to the store for "essentials" (I use that term VERY loosely) has a MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH greater risk of human contact than my trip to the hills.
Well the deal with Costco is presumably they're from the local area
If people drive all the way across the state to turkey hunt, that's a different thing
and for the 9,000th time, folks like you and Dan-o don't concern me, I know you'll do what you say and the risk is literally zero you'll bring covid-19 with you.
it's all the other guys I'm worried about. It's not about YOU.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 30, 2020, 11:56:54 AM
it's a very fine line in my opinion. Exposing others is exposing others. This stuff is statewide already.I'll say it again for the 9,000th time. I FULLY UNDERSTAND why the closures on fishing and I assume hunting are needed. In fact, I know more than most because I'm really out in it. What I am saying is every time you go to the store, any store, for your "essentials" you are putting people at risk of exposure but it's ok because its "essential". Folks can say they don't take unnecessary trips but its bull crap! Stores are breaking records left and right. The line at Costco this morning at 0730 was 30+ people long already. Everyone is doing projects around the house that end up with amazon orders or trips to the hardware store. You are forcing those people to have to be out. That's every bit as selfish as me wanting to go to the hills turkey hunting which will effect zero people besides myself. I haven't needed a tow truck in 22 years of driving and this would be no exception. I get that I have the luxury of being close to birds and that most don't and because of that a ban is coming. But before anyone labels anyone else "selfish" take a long look in the mirror and assess your own actions first. Your trip to the store for "essentials" (I use that term VERY loosely) has a MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH greater risk of human contact than my trip to the hills.
Well the deal with Costco is presumably they're from the local area
If people drive all the way across the state to turkey hunt, that's a different thing
Post by: KFhunter on March 30, 2020, 11:59:00 AM
If people have smaller bubbles of contact with others it can be tracked and traced, people can be informed "your uncle Si has tested positive" and down the chain it goes.
with community spread on one knows where they got it or from whom.
In Stevens CO right now we have (2) cases, and those cases are well known to the medical establishment and local LE, they know where and whom they have contact with and can shelter those people to prevent further spread. Thus far it hasn't hit major shopping areas, if we continue this path Stevens CO can have a fighting chance of not having community spread.
but you throw 1000's of turkey hunters and people fishing into the mix....
control is lost
Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 30, 2020, 12:06:00 PM
It's community spread vs point to point spread.once again, I get it. Many many many people DO NOT travel out of community to turkey hunt though. Like I said, I get why they will close it but that doesn't mean I like it and if they don't close it I will still go and will continue to reject the label of selfish by the masses that continue to treat myself, my family, and my coworkers with the same selfishness. That is my point. I'm not arguing the reasoning behind the closures.
If people have smaller bubbles of contact with others it can be tracked and traced, people can be informed "your uncle Si has tested positive" and down the chain it goes.
with community spread on one knows where they got it or from whom.
Post by: KFhunter on March 30, 2020, 12:11:01 PM
It's community spread vs point to point spread.once again, I get it. Many many many people DO NOT travel out of community to turkey hunt though. Like I said, I get why they will close it but that doesn't mean I like it and if they don't close it I will still go and will continue to reject the label of selfish by the masses that continue to treat myself, my family, and my coworkers with the same selfishness. That is my point. I'm not arguing the reasoning behind the closures.
If people have smaller bubbles of contact with others it can be tracked and traced, people can be informed "your uncle Si has tested positive" and down the chain it goes.
with community spread on one knows where they got it or from whom.
I think we're in agreement. Did you read the part where I said I think it's wrong to guilt a small handful of HW'rs when the masses will still come if the season is open?
If they don't close it, I hope you have a terrific season and enjoy your getaway!
Post by: jackelope on March 30, 2020, 12:12:18 PM
It's community spread vs point to point spread.once again, I get it. Many many many people DO NOT travel out of community to turkey hunt though. Like I said, I get why they will close it but that doesn't mean I like it and if they don't close it I will still go and will continue to reject the label of selfish by the masses that continue to treat myself, my family, and my coworkers with the same selfishness. That is my point. I'm not arguing the reasoning behind the closures.
If people have smaller bubbles of contact with others it can be tracked and traced, people can be informed "your uncle Si has tested positive" and down the chain it goes.
with community spread on one knows where they got it or from whom.
So you keep using the term "selfish" which is the term I used a week or so ago. Are you referring to me and what I'm doing? Just curious. I'm still going to work but I haven't been anywhere aside from a grocery store in almost 2 weeks. 2 weeks ago we went to the gardening part of Lowe's 9 miles from my house, but didn't go inside the store. I don't even leave work once I get here till it's time for me to go home. I walk my dog in my neighborhood every night, about a mile round trip.
That's my life right now.
Post by: huntnfmly on March 30, 2020, 12:15:40 PM
The point is someone sees you or Dan o hunting and I know the chance of anyone seeing you guys is nill but then they say hey he's hunting guess I will as well and so on and so on
Post by: JeffRaines on March 30, 2020, 12:25:17 PM
Two wrongs don’t make a right. Is it BS that these idiots are out there doing what they do? Absolutely. Does that give me the freedom to go and do what I want to because they’re doing it too? Nope.
Well officer the guys here in Capitol forest are poaching so I figured I could too
The guy was dumping his trash and saving money, I figured I could too
This guy just got rip roaring drunk and left the bar driving himself home, I figured I could too.
All of those examples, they could argue that what they’re doing isn’t harming anyone. I mean, if the guy poaching never sees anything no harm right? If the guy dumping dumps it somewhere no one goes no harm right? If the drunk guy is an alcoholic with a high tolerance it’s probably not the first time driving while intoxicated, he might make it home okay without incident.
Post by: KFhunter on March 30, 2020, 12:27:24 PM
I'm not the masses and have agreed with you about this and I'm pissed that my other daughters work place is still open when it is deemed non essential also no one has addressed the scenario if my grandson getting it because someone was selfish.
The point is someone sees you or Dan o hunting and I know the chance of anyone seeing you guys is nill but then they say hey he's hunting guess I will as well and so on and so on
If it's open, they're going to come.
It doesn't really matter whats said on HW about it, they'll come, and the vast majority of those who come won't have heard of HW let alone have an account here.
So why single out a handful of low risk guys on HW?
Post by: jackelope on March 30, 2020, 12:28:30 PM
Another thing that blows my mind is the justification of “well if they’re doing the bad thing then I can do this bad thing and break the rules too!”
Two wrongs don’t make a right. Is it BS that these idiots are out there doing what they do? Absolutely. Does that give me the freedom to go and do what I want to because they’re doing it too? Nope.
Well officer the guys here in Capitol forest are poaching so I figured I could too
The guy was dumping his trash and saving money, I figured I could too
This guy just got rip roaring drunk and left the bar driving himself home, I figured I could too.
All of those examples, they could argue that what they’re doing isn’t harming anyone. I mean, if the guy poaching never sees anything no harm right? If the guy dumping dumps it somewhere no one goes no harm right? If the drunk guy is an alcoholic with a high tolerance it’s probably not the first time driving while intoxicated, he might make it home okay without incident.
That's human nature. This issue isn't going to change human nature.
Post by: huntnfmly on March 30, 2020, 12:34:57 PM
I agree if it's open they will come and I'm not meaning to single out HW members on here however they are the ones who are having back and forth conversations and I know there are lurkers on here that might being watching these threads and thinking yeah why not I'm going hunting as well.I'm not the masses and have agreed with you about this and I'm pissed that my other daughters work place is still open when it is deemed non essential also no one has addressed the scenario if my grandson getting it because someone was selfish.
The point is someone sees you or Dan o hunting and I know the chance of anyone seeing you guys is nill but then they say hey he's hunting guess I will as well and so on and so on
If it's open, they're going to come.
It doesn't really matter whats said on HW about it, they'll come.
So why single out a handful of low risk guys on HW?
I think we should be a little better about the me me me instead of the US
My daughter doesn't have a chance to be selfish and stay home her and her fellow workers have to stay and help patience who some I'm sure have been unintentionally infected by selfish people
Post by: JeffRaines on March 30, 2020, 12:46:52 PM
I agree if it's open they will come and I'm not meaning to single out HW members on here however they are the ones who are having back and forth conversations and I know there are lurkers on here that might being watching these threads and thinking yeah why not I'm going hunting as well.I'm not the masses and have agreed with you about this and I'm pissed that my other daughters work place is still open when it is deemed non essential also no one has addressed the scenario if my grandson getting it because someone was selfish.
The point is someone sees you or Dan o hunting and I know the chance of anyone seeing you guys is nill but then they say hey he's hunting guess I will as well and so on and so on
If it's open, they're going to come.
It doesn't really matter whats said on HW about it, they'll come.
So why single out a handful of low risk guys on HW?
I think we should be a little better about the me me me instead of the US
My daughter doesn't have a chance to be selfish and stay home her and her fellow workers have to stay and help patience who some I'm sure have been unintentionally infected by selfish people
I also hope my message didn’t come across like I was pointing it at anyone specifically. I’m sure a lot of the guys on here are 100% serious about not stopping and whatnot.
Post by: Bango skank on March 30, 2020, 01:14:00 PM
I see this was just updated an hour ago.
Post by: The scout on March 30, 2020, 01:22:29 PM
Post by: Ridgeratt on March 30, 2020, 01:23:57 PM
None of the spring seasons have opened up yet.
Post by: Bango skank on March 30, 2020, 01:26:34 PM
Post by: Pinetar on March 30, 2020, 01:27:52 PM
Truck is all fueled up just sitting around and I can make it to the turkeys and back about 5 times before I'd have to get more fuel. I don't have to stop for a single thing and I avoid people like the black plague even before covid-19 :chuckle I'll be turkey hunting.I don't know where some of you guys turkey hunt but if you are encountering that many folks I'd go looking for a new spot because that's not normal :twocents:
Even if WDFW says it is closed and illegal to hunt Turkeys?
Well of course not. That wasn't the question.
The question was if it was left open would you go.....
I guess the big question is.
If they leave it open as it sits now are you going to travel to hunt?
Significant travel not advised
What I'm saying is how many would travel even after they have told you not too ,If Turkey season was left open.
LOL Missed that part :chuckle: Thought you were going rogue on me, grab a six pack of Pepsi and take all the back roads :chuckle:
Post by: KFhunter on March 30, 2020, 01:30:54 PM
Yeah, but he said they would make a decision and let it be known today. They updated hunting closure this afternoon with no mention of turkey or bear closures planned. Pretty safe to say they intend to leave it open for now. They dont want to do refunds.
I think it'll be closed. All hunting and fishing.
Hope you're right though, I like your optimism :tup:
Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 30, 2020, 01:31:35 PM
Post by: KFhunter on March 30, 2020, 01:37:17 PM
https://wsbt.com/news/local/michigan-dnr-suspends-passport-fees-and-makes-all-state-parks-free
To encourage people to explore outside during the coronavirus pandemic, the DNR says their are no fees for people to enjoy the public areas and recreation spots throughout the state.
The DNR says, "whether you want to hike or bike a new trail, scout your next hunt, paddle the open water or find a favorite fishing spot...Michigan’s outdoors are here. Explore things to do on our website for inspiration; check out our YouTube channel for how-to videos; and get hunting and fishing licenses at our new license system website. Closer to home, you could soak up some sun on the back deck, walk around the block or jog the nearest local trail."
Fees will not be charged throughout the COVID-19 outbreak.
Post by: Gobble Doc on March 30, 2020, 01:38:14 PM
Post by: KFhunter on March 30, 2020, 01:39:16 PM
https://www.kmbc.com/article/missouri-department-of-conservation-temporarily-waives-fishing-permits-starting-friday-because-of-covid-19-emergency-fish-coronavirus/31915140
The Missouri Department of Conservation and the Missouri Conservation Commission said they are temporarily waiving permit requirements for sport fishing or daily trout tags for Missouri residents and nonresidents during the COVID-19 outbreak.
The MDC said the waiver for a permit or trout tag to fish will run from Friday, March 27, through April 15, and all season dates and fish limits will continue to apply and be enforced.
“The current public-health emergency caused by the coronavirus (COVID-19) has many Missourians and others looking for safe ways to get outside in nature,” MDC director Sara Parker Pauley said. “Missouri’s rivers and streams offer high quality fishing as a way for people to connect with nature while still complying with all health and safety recommendations. Fishing is also a great way to get some much needed physical and mental health benefits during this stressful time.”
Post by: konradcountry on March 30, 2020, 01:44:31 PM
It doesn't really matter whats said on HW about it, they'll come, and the vast majority of those who come won't have heard of HW let alone have an account here.
So why single out a handful of low risk guys on HW?
Not only that but the worst people are going to go if it is open so it really is pointless to argue about it.
Meaning the guy that buys hot food at every single mini mart and rarely washes his hands is not going to be in some online discussion about whether or not going is ethical.
Post by: Ghost Hunter on March 30, 2020, 01:50:49 PM
Post by: Buckhunter24 on March 30, 2020, 01:56:05 PM
then there's Michigan....
https://wsbt.com/news/local/michigan-dnr-suspends-passport-fees-and-makes-all-state-parks-free
To encourage people to explore outside during the coronavirus pandemic, the DNR says their are no fees for people to enjoy the public areas and recreation spots throughout the state.
The DNR says, "whether you want to hike or bike a new trail, scout your next hunt, paddle the open water or find a favorite fishing spot...Michigan’s outdoors are here. Explore things to do on our website for inspiration; check out our YouTube channel for how-to videos; and get hunting and fishing licenses at our new license system website. Closer to home, you could soak up some sun on the back deck, walk around the block or jog the nearest local trail."
Fees will not be charged throughout the COVID-19 outbreak.
And its free. Theres some salt in the wound lol
Post by: Russ McDonald on March 30, 2020, 02:17:06 PM
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Post by: Limhangerslayer on March 30, 2020, 02:41:43 PM
Super unfortunate for the guys who drew spring bear..not really, youth turkey hunter yes, bear hunters have close to a 0.0% chance of harvesting a bear up north right now. Still About a month out for them
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Post by: Bango skank on March 30, 2020, 02:47:47 PM
Super unfortunate for the guys who drew spring bear..not really, youth turkey hunter yes, bear hunters have close to a 0.0% chance of harvesting a bear up north right now. Still About a month out for them
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The bear hunting really doesnt get good until may. Could open back up by then. Bummer for locals who drew, but anybody coming from the west side is better off not wasting their time until may anyway.
Post by: lokidog on March 30, 2020, 02:54:00 PM
Super unfortunate for the guys who drew spring bear..not really, youth turkey hunter yes, bear hunters have close to a 0.0% chance of harvesting a bear up north right now. Still About a month out for them
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Yep, youth turkey screwed much more so as many of them will not be eligible next year whereas all bear hunters can apply again next year if season stays closed throughout.
Post by: TriggerMike on March 30, 2020, 02:54:04 PM
Post by: mburrows on March 30, 2020, 02:54:20 PM
I know, I get that the shutdown with prevent transmission to rural communities and thats a good thing.
But why the hell is all this other "stuff" still rolling along, thats what frustrates me beyond belief.
Post by: lokidog on March 30, 2020, 02:57:17 PM
I think the only way we have a spring turkey season this year is if they let us hunt the last 2 weeks of May. That's best case scenario IMO. I really don't think it will be open before then.
It has always gone to May 31....
Post by: TriggerMike on March 30, 2020, 02:57:46 PM
So you can still buy coffee at a bikini barista stand, go buy weed and booze, home depot and lowes are setting record sales days but you cant go chase birds or bears isolated in the woods.
I know, I get that the shutdown with prevent transmission to rural communities and thats a good thing.
But why the hell is all this other "stuff" still rolling along, thats what frustrates me beyond belief.
Not to play devils advocate but I literally woke up to water dripping into my kitchen from a skylight. That's probably why Home Depot and Lowes are still open. Of course most people going there right now are doing so for non-emergency repairs and upgrades, but a few people definitely will have emergency home repairs needed.
Post by: jackelope on March 30, 2020, 02:58:45 PM
So you can still buy coffee at a bikini barista stand, go buy weed and booze, home depot and lowes are setting record sales days but you cant go chase birds or bears isolated in the woods.
I know, I get that the shutdown with prevent transmission to rural communities and thats a good thing.
But why the hell is all this other "stuff" still rolling along, thats what frustrates me beyond belief.
Because of exactly what you just said. You don't drive across the state to go to Lowe's.
Post by: TriggerMike on March 30, 2020, 02:59:00 PM
I think the only way we have a spring turkey season this year is if they let us hunt the last 2 weeks of May. That's best case scenario IMO. I really don't think it will be open before then.
It has always gone to May 31....
Yes, I'm aware. My point is if we get a season it will likely only be the final 2 weeks of it.
Post by: lokidog on March 30, 2020, 02:59:57 PM
So you can still buy coffee at a bikini barista stand, go buy weed and booze, home depot and lowes are setting record sales days but you cant go chase birds or bears isolated in the woods.
I know, I get that the shutdown with prevent transmission to rural communities and thats a good thing.
But why the hell is all this other "stuff" still rolling along, thats what frustrates me beyond belief.
Not to play devils advocate but I literally woke up to water dripping into my kitchen from a skylight. That's probably why Home Depot and Lowes are still open. Of course most people going there right now are doing so for non-emergency repairs and upgrades, but a few people definitely will have emergency home repairs needed.
This was my argument to a friend last week when he was complaining about his wife still having to work at ACE.
Post by: Bullkllr on March 30, 2020, 03:03:57 PM
So you can still buy coffee at a bikini barista stand, go buy weed and booze, home depot and lowes are setting record sales days but you cant go chase birds or bears isolated in the woods.
I know, I get that the shutdown with prevent transmission to rural communities and thats a good thing.
But why the hell is all this other "stuff" still rolling along, thats what frustrates me beyond belief.
I also find it very frustrating. I get it, but it's still frustrating.
What little I've been out, I've seen all kinds of people making quick stops at the convenience store, running in the grocery store for 1 item, lined up at the coffee stand, etc. But that's all ok. Almost like it would somehow matter what you were doing if the virus is transmitted.
Post by: h2ofowlr on March 30, 2020, 03:06:02 PM
Post by: lokidog on March 30, 2020, 03:08:26 PM
Post by: mburrows on March 30, 2020, 03:16:10 PM
So you can still buy coffee at a bikini barista stand, go buy weed and booze, home depot and lowes are setting record sales days but you cant go chase birds or bears isolated in the woods.
I know, I get that the shutdown with prevent transmission to rural communities and thats a good thing.
But why the hell is all this other "stuff" still rolling along, thats what frustrates me beyond belief.
Because of exactly what you just said. You don't drive across the state to go to Lowe's.
Ok, Lowes and Home Depot were not the best example but Im pretty sure the dozen couples waiting in line for paint yesterday at HD were not completing essential business. Nor was I in picking up some lumber. Why dont they restrict this more is my point.
If they're restricting peoples access to the woods, their restriction efforts need to be more concerted else where too. Just saying there is some low hanging fruit out there that is not being closed down when our lower risk activities are being targeted.
Like I said, I get it, it is the right call to restrict significant travel and protect rural communities.
Post by: ThurstonCokid on March 30, 2020, 03:27:50 PM
When 90% of the businesses are considered essential the spread will continue. It may slow the rate of the spread but it will continue. I see what you mean 100%So you can still buy coffee at a bikini barista stand, go buy weed and booze, home depot and lowes are setting record sales days but you cant go chase birds or bears isolated in the woods.
I know, I get that the shutdown with prevent transmission to rural communities and thats a good thing.
But why the hell is all this other "stuff" still rolling along, thats what frustrates me beyond belief.
Because of exactly what you just said. You don't drive across the state to go to Lowe's.
Ok, Lowes and Home Depot were not the best example but Im pretty sure the dozen couples waiting in line for paint yesterday at HD were not completing essential business. Nor was I in picking up some lumber. Why dont they restrict this more is my point.
If they're restricting peoples access to the woods, their restriction efforts need to be more concerted else where too. Just saying there is some low hanging fruit out there that is not being closed down when our lower risk activities are being targeted.
Like I said, I get it, it is the right call to restrict significant travel and protect rural communities.
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Post by: Ghost Hunter on March 30, 2020, 03:44:22 PM
Post by: JeffRaines on March 30, 2020, 03:55:46 PM
So you can still buy coffee at a bikini barista stand, go buy weed and booze, home depot and lowes are setting record sales days but you cant go chase birds or bears isolated in the woods.
I know, I get that the shutdown with prevent transmission to rural communities and thats a good thing.
But why the hell is all this other "stuff" still rolling along, thats what frustrates me beyond belief.
Because of exactly what you just said. You don't drive across the state to go to Lowe's.
Ok, Lowes and Home Depot were not the best example but Im pretty sure the dozen couples waiting in line for paint yesterday at HD were not completing essential business. Nor was I in picking up some lumber. Why dont they restrict this more is my point.
If they're restricting peoples access to the woods, their restriction efforts need to be more concerted else where too. Just saying there is some low hanging fruit out there that is not being closed down when our lower risk activities are being targeted.
Like I said, I get it, it is the right call to restrict significant travel and protect rural communities.
Here’s the thing you gotta keep in mind too - they can’t enforce any kind of “stay in your county” restriction(not effectively anyway)... with that said, if turkey and bear were to remain open how many people would make the trip from the west side? They’re trying to limit the amount of people flooding over there who could infect the rural areas.
Post by: Pegasus on March 30, 2020, 04:32:23 PM
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Post by: JeffRaines on March 30, 2020, 05:52:10 PM
I would like too see the number of king county residents driving 30 minutes to an hour+ to hike vs the number of youth turkey hunters! Probably be mind blowing. And for you high and mighty people that wouldn't cross the state. I hope when you went to the store that "one"time to get essentials. None of you picked up a bag of cheetos or any candy, pop or other useless crap. And got actual "essentials". Been to the store one time in the last week and a half and I don't have to go back for a month or two. And the whole a bird isn't worth it saying. I'll tell you what all of us tell anti hunters when they try and stop us from hunting. Its not about the bird is about keeping your sanity and getting time outside. And for anybody that is going to flame this comment, I'm sitting back with my bag of chips "that I purchased before this fiasco started and will shrug it off :chuckle: Flame away!
Like I mentioned in a previous reply just because someone else does something wrong doesn’t justify me doing something wrong. The people driving 30 minutes to hike shouldn’t be doing it. I seen pictures from the mt si parking lot of cars getting towed so it’s not like it isn’t being enforced.
No one is arguing that it doesn’t suck - but how would you feel if the thousands of hunters were allowed to come on over to your locale bringing this garbage over there for you and your family? I can’t say I’d appreciate it none too much. I have loved ones that are high risk - and I’m sure you have some friends and family that are high risk too.
Instead of being combative or confrontational about it let’s just try and watch out for one another the best way we can.
Post by: TheStovePipeKid on March 30, 2020, 06:05:54 PM
Stay safe out there, whatever your choice may be.
Post by: jackelope on March 30, 2020, 06:15:25 PM
Post by: JeffRaines on March 30, 2020, 06:27:53 PM
When does it end? When COVID-19 is gone what will we do to combat seasonal influenza, which effects the same demographic? What will we do when COVID-20 comes along. Do we cast off our associations and cut all ties with our comrades? Do we turn our backs on the city folk because we live in the country. Do we fear our own kin? Do we cease to live and except merely existing, isolated and alone? Do we surrender our passions and our way of life for what might be?
Stay safe out there, whatever your choice may be.
Hopefully by the time the next covid rolls around they have a vaccine. We don’t have a vaccine for any of the coronaviruses if I recall correctly, so that’s what’s taking so long. Once we have one it’ll be like the flu - it’s easy for them to modify the vaccine to fit what’s out there.
Post by: JeffRaines on March 30, 2020, 06:28:38 PM
Cars got towed from Mt Si and rattlesnake from what I’ve heard .
Perfect. Hopefully word gets around and people start taking the restrictions more seriously.
Post by: bearpaw on March 30, 2020, 06:29:27 PM
Hunting seasons:
The youth turkey hunt scheduled for April 4-5 is canceled. Six game management units that were scheduled to open on April 1 for spring bear hunting will now be closed pending further evaluation. Nearly 90 percent of spring bear permit holders in northeast Washington would be traveling from outside the area.
Youth who were planning to hunt on April 4 or 5 may still use their tags in the regular spring or fall turkey seasons, pending further impacts. The spring turkey season is scheduled to run April 15 through May 31.
On April 6, WDFW will reassess its ability to open the impacted hunting areas, as well as several other upcoming hunting seasons.
A limited number of open hunting seasons that are winding down or have limited participation that does not create the same public health concerns remain open.
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on March 30, 2020, 06:42:49 PM
I would like too see the number of king county residents driving 30 minutes to an hour+ to hike vs the number of youth turkey hunters! Probably be mind blowing. And for you high and mighty people that wouldn't cross the state. I hope when you went to the store that "one"time to get essentials. None of you picked up a bag of cheetos or any candy, pop or other useless crap. And got actual "essentials". Been to the store one time in the last week and a half and I don't have to go back for a month or two. And the whole a bird isn't worth it saying. I'll tell you what all of us tell anti hunters when they try and stop us from hunting. Its not about the bird is about keeping your sanity and getting time outside. And for anybody that is going to flame this comment, I'm sitting back with my bag of chips "that I purchased before this fiasco started and will shrug it off :chuckle: Flame away!
:chuckle:
Post by: konradcountry on March 30, 2020, 07:10:12 PM
Like I mentioned in a previous reply just because someone else does something wrong doesn’t justify me doing something wrong. The people driving 30 minutes to hike shouldn’t be doing it.
Why is it wrong to drive 30 minutes to go hiking? I hike around 5-7 miles a week and I'm not gonna go downtown and spin in circles.
Post by: hunter399 on March 30, 2020, 07:56:02 PM
Why notLike I mentioned in a previous reply just because someone else does something wrong doesn’t justify me doing something wrong. The people driving 30 minutes to hike shouldn’t be doing it.
Why is it wrong to drive 30 minutes to go hiking? I hike around 5-7 miles a week and I'm not gonna go downtown and spin in circles.
You choose to live there
Lap it up,embrace it,love it,be proud of downtown.
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Post by: konradcountry on March 30, 2020, 09:29:20 PM
Why notLike I mentioned in a previous reply just because someone else does something wrong doesn’t justify me doing something wrong. The people driving 30 minutes to hike shouldn’t be doing it.
Why is it wrong to drive 30 minutes to go hiking? I hike around 5-7 miles a week and I'm not gonna go downtown and spin in circles.
You choose to live there
Lap it up,embrace it,love it,be proud of downtown.
To be clear I don't live near downtown Seattle.
Was talking about my local town.
Where I hike I see one other person at the most.
Post by: Dan-o on March 30, 2020, 10:00:42 PM
Why notLike I mentioned in a previous reply just because someone else does something wrong doesn’t justify me doing something wrong. The people driving 30 minutes to hike shouldn’t be doing it.
Why is it wrong to drive 30 minutes to go hiking? I hike around 5-7 miles a week and I'm not gonna go downtown and spin in circles.
You choose to live there
Lap it up,embrace it,love it,be proud of downtown.
To be clear I don't live near downtown Seattle.
Was talking about my local town.
Where I hike I see one other person at the most.
:tup: :tup:
Post by: tgomez on March 31, 2020, 11:42:57 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 31, 2020, 12:49:33 PM
Youth turkey season is a no go. Fingers crossed regular season stays open.cross your toes as well. I know I am :chuckle: :'(
Post by: Lincoln4 on March 31, 2020, 01:36:56 PM
Post by: ThurstonCokid on March 31, 2020, 02:03:49 PM
As of right now, I'd say 97%.
So you’re saying there’s a chance...
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Post by: Stein on March 31, 2020, 02:35:01 PM
Post by: Dan-o on March 31, 2020, 02:39:57 PM
I would say the chance of spring turkey is the same as a chance at the Mountain View rifle special permit. It's the same as halibut season and slightly less than shrimp. In my calculations, the probability curve doesn't start going up much until June.
So you're saying I might get to go spring turkey hunting, draw the Mountain View rife elk tag, fish for halibut and go shrimping in my home waters?
This is going to be an epic year!
Post by: Fl0und3rz on March 31, 2020, 03:09:08 PM
Post by: Stein on March 31, 2020, 03:14:46 PM
Post by: Lincoln4 on March 31, 2020, 03:54:08 PM
Post by: Ridgeratt on March 31, 2020, 04:00:04 PM
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!!
I think I missed that part of American history.
Post by: Dan-o on March 31, 2020, 04:05:45 PM
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!!
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: KDB on March 31, 2020, 05:19:26 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 31, 2020, 05:20:12 PM
I think you also missed that scene from animal house :chuckle:Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!!
I think I missed that part of American history.
Post by: huntnfmly on March 31, 2020, 05:24:36 PM
Classic speech by bluto 😅I think you also missed that scene from animal house :chuckle:Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!!
I think I missed that part of American history.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on March 31, 2020, 07:40:04 PM
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!!
I think I missed that part of American history.
Forget it. He's on a roll.
Post by: Gobble Doc on March 31, 2020, 08:09:09 PM
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Post by: lokidog on April 01, 2020, 12:19:22 AM
Post by: Gobble Doc on April 01, 2020, 12:41:16 AM
Who pays $6 friggin dollars a round for turkey ammo? :yike: Wish I had you guys' kind of dough.... :chuckle:That’s the “starting price”. LOL.
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Post by: huntnphool on April 01, 2020, 12:43:25 AM
Who pays $6 friggin dollars a round for turkey ammo? :yike: Wish I had you guys' kind of dough.... :chuckle:
Five years of ammo for $30, doesn’t seem that bad. :dunno:
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Post by: Limhangerslayer on April 01, 2020, 07:07:38 AM
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Post by: Henrydog on April 01, 2020, 07:14:18 AM
Gotta be April fools
Oh boy your right...Nicely played
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 01, 2020, 07:17:46 AM
Post by: Limhangerslayer on April 01, 2020, 07:21:04 AM
Post by: Pegasus on April 01, 2020, 07:47:55 AM
I personally an not going to listen to stupidity, I took the daughter out and she bagged this tom at first light. She's happy and had no idea it isn't actually open for her. I'll take the repercussions when they come
Nicely done, sir!
Post by: Limhangerslayer on April 01, 2020, 07:56:22 AM
Post by: hughjorgan on April 01, 2020, 07:59:23 AM
Post by: hunter399 on April 01, 2020, 08:44:46 AM
There predicting the peak is going to be April 19 and things will be back to normal by July...Things will never be "normal".
With this type of stuff there is always a second wave that hits harder than the first.
September-november right at deer and elk season.
Post by: TheStovePipeKid on April 01, 2020, 11:21:59 AM
There predicting the peak is going to be April 19 and things will be back to normal by July...Things will never be "normal".
With this type of stuff there is always a second wave that hits harder than the first.
September-november right at deer and elk season.
I'll probably be in Idaho for fall turkey around that time. They seem to actually like sportsman.
Post by: hughjorgan on April 01, 2020, 12:32:26 PM
There predicting the peak is going to be April 19 and things will be back to normal by July...Things will never be "normal".
With this type of stuff there is always a second wave that hits harder than the first.
September-november right at deer and elk season.
I'll probably be in Idaho for fall turkey around that time. They seem to actually like sportsman.
I am hoping this doesn’t affect elk and deer season, guess we will watch and see what happens.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 01, 2020, 12:41:38 PM
remember, this is ONLY Washington closing seasons. Other states are handing out free licenses and waiving access free's to get their citizens out and about in nature. I could be wrong but I don't see Idaho closing any hunting.There predicting the peak is going to be April 19 and things will be back to normal by July...Things will never be "normal".
With this type of stuff there is always a second wave that hits harder than the first.
September-november right at deer and elk season.
I'll probably be in Idaho for fall turkey around that time. They seem to actually like sportsman.
I am hoping this doesn’t affect elk and deer season, guess we will watch and see what happens.
Post by: jstone on April 01, 2020, 12:45:08 PM
Montana here I come
Post by: Limhangerslayer on April 01, 2020, 12:47:30 PM
exactly, with my resident refunds in this state I'm halfway to an Idaho deer tag!😂. And Come April 15th I'll be in either Oregon or Idaho chasing turkeysremember, this is ONLY Washington closing seasons. Other states are handing out free licenses and waiving access free's to get their citizens out and about in nature. I could be wrong but I don't see Idaho closing any hunting.There predicting the peak is going to be April 19 and things will be back to normal by July...Things will never be "normal".
With this type of stuff there is always a second wave that hits harder than the first.
September-november right at deer and elk season.
I'll probably be in Idaho for fall turkey around that time. They seem to actually like sportsman.
I am hoping this doesn’t affect elk and deer season, guess we will watch and see what happens.
Post by: cbond3318 on April 01, 2020, 12:56:40 PM
exactly, with my resident refunds in this state I'm halfway to an Idaho deer tag!😂. And Come April 15th I'll be in either Oregon or Idaho chasing turkeysremember, this is ONLY Washington closing seasons. Other states are handing out free licenses and waiving access free's to get their citizens out and about in nature. I could be wrong but I don't see Idaho closing any hunting.There predicting the peak is going to be April 19 and things will be back to normal by July...Things will never be "normal".
With this type of stuff there is always a second wave that hits harder than the first.
September-november right at deer and elk season.
I'll probably be in Idaho for fall turkey around that time. They seem to actually like sportsman.
I am hoping this doesn’t affect elk and deer season, guess we will watch and see what happens.
Idaho may just get a good jump on offsetting any NR capped unit losses. I don’t see them closing anything , in fact in the last week I’ve seen in Uptick in promoting.
Post by: ThurstonCokid on April 01, 2020, 01:23:36 PM
Idaho guys can hunt fish and social distance... interesting that we can’t
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Post by: hunter399 on April 01, 2020, 01:27:59 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200401/3247939973ce725ed3937ed4023a8831.jpg)You have to thank our governor for that.
Idaho guys can hunt fish and social distance... interesting that we can’t
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You can drive down and get a Scooby snack from the pot shop though ,curbside alcoholic drink maybe but your paying taxes on that.
Post by: Ghost Hunter on April 01, 2020, 01:35:02 PM
Post by: hunter399 on April 01, 2020, 01:37:44 PM
This reinforces the fact that WDFW is managing people not wildlife.:yeah:
Not very good at it also
Post by: follow maggie on April 01, 2020, 03:47:42 PM
This reinforces the fact that WDFW is managing people not wildlife.:yeah:
Not very good at it also
:yeah: double
Post by: nwwanderer on April 01, 2020, 03:58:28 PM
Post by: TheStovePipeKid on April 01, 2020, 03:59:25 PM
Would it be considered essential if a fired up old tom would not let you in your tractor cab?
Self defense.
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Post by: JasonG on April 01, 2020, 08:11:04 PM
If i didnt already have 2 turkey tags i wouldnt buy them yet.. we shall see.You can use them for the fall. So not a complete bust...
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Post by: Gobble Doc on April 01, 2020, 08:14:24 PM
The virus will start up again Sept 1.If i didnt already have 2 turkey tags i wouldnt buy them yet.. we shall see.You can use them for the fall. So not a complete bust...
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Post by: JasonG on April 01, 2020, 08:23:21 PM
Dont say that!!The virus will start up again Sept 1.If i didnt already have 2 turkey tags i wouldnt buy them yet.. we shall see.You can use them for the fall. So not a complete bust...
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Post by: ThurstonCokid on April 01, 2020, 08:55:07 PM
Not a complete bust absolutely.. but hunting turkeys in the spring is something I’ve really enjoyedIf i didnt already have 2 turkey tags i wouldnt buy them yet.. we shall see.You can use them for the fall. So not a complete bust...
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Post by: JasonG on April 01, 2020, 08:58:05 PM
I completely understand. This was going to be my third spring season, I haven't killed a tom yet just hens in the fall . Totally different hunt .Not a complete bust absolutely.. but hunting turkeys in the spring is something I’ve really enjoyedIf i didnt already have 2 turkey tags i wouldnt buy them yet.. we shall see.You can use them for the fall. So not a complete bust...
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Post by: ghosthunter on April 01, 2020, 09:36:05 PM
Post by: ThurstonCokid on April 01, 2020, 09:45:19 PM
So we are all betting it will be shut down. When we know for sure?I believe on the 6th.
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Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on April 01, 2020, 09:50:16 PM
So we are all betting it will be shut down. When we know for sure?
It's been announced. Check out WDFW site.
Post by: ThurstonCokid on April 01, 2020, 11:33:16 PM
It only mentions spring bear and youth turkeySo we are all betting it will be shut down. When we know for sure?
It's been announced. Check out WDFW site.
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Post by: hunter399 on April 02, 2020, 04:17:35 AM
From there websiteIt only mentions spring bear and youth turkeySo we are all betting it will be shut down. When we know for sure?
It's been announced. Check out WDFW site.
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Hunting seasons: The youth turkey hunt scheduled for April 4-5 is canceled. Six game management units that were scheduled to open on April 1 for spring bear hunting will now be closed pending further evaluation. Nearly 90 percent of spring bear permit holders in northeast Washington would be traveling from outside the area.
Youth who were planning to hunt on April 4 or 5 may still use their tags in the regular spring or fall turkey seasons, pending further impacts. The spring turkey season is scheduled to run April 15 through May 31.
On April 6, WDFW will reassess its ability to open the impacted hunting areas, as well as several other upcoming hunting seasons.
A limited number of open hunting seasons that are winding down or have limited participation that does not create the same public health concerns remain open.
So yes they will revisit it on Monday.
Call the governor and it will be closed.
I don't see how they can open anything till April 30,social distance is all about keeping people spread out .Now they think combine youth to general season is a good idea.Then add spring bear hunter to Turkey hunter for a huge opening day.They have no clue of social distance.
Post by: lokidog on April 02, 2020, 09:55:07 PM
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Post by: fishngamereaper on April 02, 2020, 10:01:33 PM
Highly doubt turkey will open since the stay home blah blah order is now through May 4. This now impacts lingcod fishing, which frankly, provides a lot more meals for my family than turkey hunting as well as likely shrimping. :bash:
Don't forget the first three weeks of halibut..
All my charter buddies are going to have to sell boats if this goes into June.
Post by: hunter399 on April 02, 2020, 10:29:36 PM
I can look up some email links if there is any interest after Monday when it's a no/go .
Post by: Mulie87 on April 02, 2020, 11:06:10 PM
Post by: Ridgeratt on April 03, 2020, 07:56:13 AM
Not happening. 100%
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Yes it is for the Turkey's..
Post by: mburrows on April 03, 2020, 08:13:07 AM
Not happening. 100%
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100% agree
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Post by: ThurstonCokid on April 03, 2020, 01:02:10 PM
Our best hope is a full month in May. Wouldn't care if the capped the bag limit.I’m hoping for an open season in may... really on the path we are on not seeing it happen
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Post by: PA BEN on April 03, 2020, 07:21:56 PM
Post by: hunter399 on April 03, 2020, 07:40:16 PM
This is just a suggestion,But it never hurts and email WDFW and ask for season to be extended. I'm sure it's not on the top of there list but maybe enough people want it ,they will cave in.WDFW email them.
I can look up some email links if there is any interest after Monday when it's a no/go .
https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,248119.msg3338999/topicseen.html#new
I urge you to send emails before shutdown.
There is a meeting on it Monday they will make decisions.
Post by: HAGEMANIAC on April 04, 2020, 04:46:17 PM
Post by: hunter399 on April 04, 2020, 04:55:46 PM
Let's just hope for the best!I'm gonna suggest you you send that pic to WDFW at least everybody will get laugh.
Post by: ThurstonCokid on April 04, 2020, 04:57:03 PM
Let's just hope for the best!I’m stealing this.
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Post by: Dan-o on April 05, 2020, 04:31:37 PM
We shall all get the closed confirmation email tomorrow...
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Well then...... New plan for me.
I'm staying off any sites that might tell me it's closed.
That way, I can still go turkey hunting on the 15.
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: ThurstonCokid on April 05, 2020, 04:55:20 PM
I was kinda thinking the same thing.. my turkey pamphlet says the 15th. I have tags and all the requirements. Legal to me?We shall all get the closed confirmation email tomorrow...
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Well then...... New plan for me.
I'm staying off any sites that might tell me it's closed.
That way, I can still go turkey hunting on the 15.
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
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Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on April 05, 2020, 07:10:23 PM
We shall all get the closed confirmation email tomorrow...
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Well then...... New plan for
I'm staying off any sites that might tell me it's closed.
That way, I can still go turkey hunting on the 15.
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Dan O youd have Hunt WA withdrawls in 5min if you shutdown your internet. :chuckle:
But if you don't see statement its closed and can prove it in Google Court then more power to.you!
Post by: tritt007 on April 05, 2020, 08:00:44 PM
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Post by: Henrydog on April 06, 2020, 12:45:18 PM
Post by: jackelope on April 06, 2020, 01:11:20 PM
Post by: Henrydog on April 06, 2020, 01:13:57 PM
There’s an a Inslee press conference at 2:30 with the state school superintendent. WDFW better hurry up with their announcement.
Ugg...that shoots a hole in my hopes. Thanks for the heads up I had not heard about that conference...Thank you sir!
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Post by: Shooter4 on April 06, 2020, 02:50:10 PM
Post by: Russ McDonald on April 06, 2020, 02:52:24 PM
School closed to end of school year.There’s an a Inslee press conference at 2:30 with the state school superintendent. WDFW better hurry up with their announcement.
Ugg...that shoots a hole in my hopes. Thanks for the heads up I had not heard about that conference...Thank you sir!
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Post by: ThurstonCokid on April 06, 2020, 02:56:59 PM
I know right but it could be a good signI’m hoping it’s a good sign... let’s all be responsible, limit personal contact to none at all. Hunt responsibly and be safe in the field. Hoping for the best
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Post by: Pegasus on April 06, 2020, 02:59:55 PM
Post by: Shooter4 on April 06, 2020, 03:01:01 PM
If schools are closed for the school year they are not going to open turkey hunting. With Bill Gates spewing his political ways to handle the virus all weekend there is no way Inslee will do anything but follow the advice.Ya never know there may be exceptions
Post by: Pegasus on April 06, 2020, 03:02:45 PM
If schools are closed for the school year they are not going to open turkey hunting. With Bill Gates spewing his political ways to handle the virus all weekend there is no way Inslee will do anything but follow the advice.Ya never know there may be exceptions
Only in a pipe dream.
Post by: HAGEMANIAC on April 06, 2020, 03:11:06 PM
Post by: follow maggie on April 06, 2020, 03:30:36 PM
If schools are closed for the school year they are not going to open turkey hunting. With Bill Gates spewing his political ways to handle the virus all weekend there is no way Inslee will do anything but follow the advice.Ya never know there may be exceptions
only for those who go hunting anyway
Post by: huntnphool on April 06, 2020, 03:54:19 PM
I'm doubtful we will hear any new info today. Maybe in the coming days.
School closure likely translates to being locked down for quite some time.
Post by: h2ofowlr on April 06, 2020, 04:06:05 PM
Post by: Bango skank on April 06, 2020, 04:11:53 PM
This is going to be with us until mid June / July. Unfortunately if they lift the order now, they can't control the spread. We will see what the WDFW says, but it sure seems Inslee runs that department.
Oh he runs it, there is no doubt. The commission actually does have real authority, and he appoints commissioners. And even beyond that, he can veto whatever, hire snd fire whoever doesnt toe the line. Make no mistake, gay inslee runs wdfw
Post by: HAGEMANIAC on April 06, 2020, 04:18:30 PM
I'm doubtful we will hear any new info today. Maybe in the coming days.
School closure likely translates to being locked down for quite some time.
Unfortunately, I agree. I'm just thinking we won't hear anything official from WDFW for a couple days.
Post by: TriggerMike on April 06, 2020, 04:29:47 PM
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Post by: HAGEMANIAC on April 06, 2020, 05:56:02 PM
https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/covid-19-updates
Post by: ThurstonCokid on April 06, 2020, 05:57:30 PM
Update is out. Postponed until at least 4 May.Big at least.. :(
https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/covid-19-updates
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Post by: mhanaford on April 06, 2020, 05:58:41 PM
Post by: jackelope on April 06, 2020, 06:00:24 PM
Apr 6, 2020
Contact
Media information: publicaffairs@dfw.wa.gov
Fishing information: fishpgm@dfw.wa.gov
Hunting information: wildthing@dfw.wa.gov
WDFW acts to protect Washington communities from the spread of COVID-19
The Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW) today announced that recreational fishing, shellfish harvesting and spring turkey and bear hunting seasons will be delayed in an effort to control the spread of COVID-19.
The decision follows a Friday announcement that all state land and boat ramp closures would extend to May 4, 2020 to coincide with Gov. Jay Inslee’s extension of the Stay Home, Stay Healthy order.
WDFW expects most recreation activities to remain closed through the Stay Home, Stay Healthy order. The department will reevaluate specific hunting, fishing, shellfish harvesting, public land, and boat ramp closures as new information becomes available from public health officials.
“Local public health authorities have relayed to us their concerns regarding the risk that hunting, fishing and recreational travel poses to their communities right now,” said WDFW Director Kelly Susewind. “With the support of the Governor's office we’re asking people to put their recreation plans on pause while we work together to get this situation under control.”
Director Susewind noted that some individuals may be able to enjoy these activities without risky interactions, but many cannot and asks everyone to be patient for the health of all Washingtonians.
These newly extended closures include all recreational fishing and shellfish harvesting, whether on public or private lands, and the spring bear hunts that would have started on April 1 as well as the April 4 and 5 youth turkey hunt. In addition, the department will postpone the spring bear and turkey season opening days, which were previously scheduled to open on April 15. The department made the closure decisions after consulting with local health departments.
While some recreational fishing opportunities exist year-round, the lowland lakes trout season opener, previously scheduled for April 25, is one of the most celebrated angling days of the year. The recreational halibut seasons scheduled to open on April 16 in Marine Areas 6-10 and Areas 1-5 on April 30 will be delayed. Recreational harvesting of spot shrimp in Marine Areas 5-7 and 12 will also be delayed. When fishing seasons do open, anglers should be prepared to practice proper social distancing and avoid the gatherings that characteristically define opening day for so many.
A number of April razor clam digs are cancelled, though the department will assess the ability for razor clamming and other shellfish seasons to resume in May. According to Larry Phillips, WDFW Coastal Region Director, “We had an excellent season planned, with a great number of days available for razor clam digging. If we are not able to reopen, clam diggers can still look forward to larger clams next year."
If the department is able to open spring bear and turkey seasons on May 4, spring bear hunters would still have until May 31 or June 15, depending on the location, to use their permits before the intended season closure dates for those hunts. Likewise, spring turkey hunters would have 28 days of hunting during the spring season, plus, most likely, a robust fall season.
Hunting application deadlines for the rest of the year have not changed, yet the deadline for sealing bobcat and river otter pelts that were harvested during the 2019-2020 season has been extended to July 20.
Refunds for licenses and permits, if initiated before opening day, are available. Hunters can also get their points reinstated for spring bear season if requested prior to the start of the season.
The department does not regulate shed antler hunting, yet wants to remind the public that this activity is not allowed on state lands while the closures are in place.
For the latest updates on WDFW’s coronavirus response updates, visit wdfw.wa.gov/about/covid-19-updates.
The Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife is the state agency tasked with preserving, protecting, and perpetuating fish, wildlife, and ecosystems, while providing sustainable fishing, hunting, and other recreation opportunities.
Post by: Dan-o on April 06, 2020, 06:02:56 PM
I mean, um, I'm not going to lock on and check for any more closures.
Post by: kirkl on April 06, 2020, 06:05:22 PM
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Post by: HAGEMANIAC on April 06, 2020, 06:19:20 PM
Post by: klickman on April 06, 2020, 06:31:56 PM
Should just say no one from west side can go to East side. I don’t see anyone where I hunt in Yakima county. Have to hunt in your county.
:yeah: Just open up hunting and fishing in your county or GMU of residence. That way you won't overwhelm the community's services and you won't bring in the virus to these communities.
Post by: MADMAX on April 06, 2020, 06:40:18 PM
Post by: Gobble Doc on April 06, 2020, 11:42:04 PM
Should just say no one from west side can go to East side. I don’t see anyone where I hunt in Yakima county. Have to hunt in your county.With Spokane curves not slowing I tend to agree:
During Monday's Spokane COVID Response briefing, Dr. Lutz said there are 222 confirmed cases of COVID-19 in Spokane County, with one more death reported and 35 hospitalizations. Lutz said the latest COVID-related death, the 12th in the county, was a man in his 90's.
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Post by: lokidog on April 07, 2020, 12:40:03 AM
If schools are closed for the school year they are not going to open turkey hunting. With Bill Gates spewing his political ways to handle the virus all weekend there is no way Inslee will do anything but follow the advice.Ya never know there may be exceptions
only for those who go hunting anyway
Yep, private land and a crossbow....
Of course this is the first year in many I had access to private land, but it is too far away. >:(
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Post by: Limhangerslayer on April 07, 2020, 07:40:59 PM
But of all places, New York is still going on with turkey season! This state is dumb as A box of rocks!
Post by: Bango skank on April 07, 2020, 07:42:58 PM
https://www.newyorkupstate.com/outdoors/2020/04/ny-spring-wild-turkey-hunting-season-set-for-may-1-with-strong-social-distancing-advice-given.html
But of all places, New York is still going on with turkey season! This state is dumb as A box of rocks!
New york probably wants to spread the disease to its rural residents, kill off the opposition.
Post by: cb1989 on April 07, 2020, 07:44:41 PM
https://www.newyorkupstate.com/outdoors/2020/04/ny-spring-wild-turkey-hunting-season-set-for-may-1-with-strong-social-distancing-advice-given.html
But of all places, New York is still going on with turkey season! This state is dumb as A box of rocks!
So is Michigan. My buddies there have been fishing and trapping all through this, now gearing up for turkey.
Just FYI they are refunding tags if you email licensing@dfw.wa.gov I know the season is just "delayed" right now... but I think we all know it's not gonna happen.
Post by: cbond3318 on April 07, 2020, 07:53:33 PM
https://www.newyorkupstate.com/outdoors/2020/04/ny-spring-wild-turkey-hunting-season-set-for-may-1-with-strong-social-distancing-advice-given.html
But of all places, New York is still going on with turkey season! This state is dumb as A box of rocks!
Well if that don’t put a cup of piss in your Cheerios......
Post by: Buckhunter24 on April 07, 2020, 07:59:30 PM
https://www.newyorkupstate.com/outdoors/2020/04/ny-spring-wild-turkey-hunting-season-set-for-may-1-with-strong-social-distancing-advice-given.html
But of all places, New York is still going on with turkey season! This state is dumb as A box of rocks!
Well if that don’t put a cup of piss in your Cheerios......
Yeah thats a kick in the nuts
Post by: lokidog on April 07, 2020, 08:26:01 PM
https://www.newyorkupstate.com/outdoors/2020/04/ny-spring-wild-turkey-hunting-season-set-for-may-1-with-strong-social-distancing-advice-given.html
But of all places, New York is still going on with turkey season! This state is dumb as A box of rocks!
So is Michigan. My buddies there have been fishing and trapping all through this, now gearing up for turkey.
Just FYI they are refunding tags if you email licensing@dfw.wa.gov I know the season is just "delayed" right now... but I think we all know it's not gonna happen.
WI as well....
Post by: OrtizG95 on April 07, 2020, 08:41:39 PM
Post by: Bango skank on April 07, 2020, 08:44:31 PM
Friend of mine talked to a warden today, said to be prepared for no fishing or hunting seasons for the remainder of the year and that any violations will be treated as poaching
Wardens dont know what theyre talking about half the time
Post by: ThurstonCokid on April 07, 2020, 08:45:10 PM
Friend of mine talked to a warden today, said to be prepared for no fishing or hunting seasons for the remainder of the year and that any violations will be treated as poaching
Wardens dont know what theyre talking about half the time
Half the time? You’re generous.
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Post by: hunter399 on April 07, 2020, 08:45:58 PM
Friend of mine talked to a warden today, said to be prepared for no fishing or hunting seasons for the remainder of the year and that any violations will be treated as poachingIt doesn't shock me one bit.
Post by: Shooter4 on April 07, 2020, 08:46:53 PM
Friend of mine talked to a warden today, said to be prepared for no fishing or hunting seasons for the remainder of the year and that any violations will be treated as poachingI don’t believe that for one second
Post by: ThurstonCokid on April 07, 2020, 08:55:55 PM
Friend of mine talked to a warden today, said to be prepared for no fishing or hunting seasons for the remainder of the year and that any violations will be treated as poachingI don’t believe that for one second
Fake news?
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Post by: Bango skank on April 07, 2020, 09:00:49 PM
Friend of mine talked to a warden today, said to be prepared for no fishing or hunting seasons for the remainder of the year and that any violations will be treated as poachingI don’t believe that for one second
:yeah: and well you shouldnt. Game wardens dont always know what the heyre talking about.
May i present to the jury, exhibit A:
Post by: ThurstonCokid on April 07, 2020, 09:11:45 PM
Friend of mine talked to a warden today, said to be prepared for no fishing or hunting seasons for the remainder of the year and that any violations will be treated as poachingI don’t believe that for one second
:yeah: and well you shouldnt. Game wardens dont always know what the heyre talking about.
May i present to the jury, exhibit A:
You were on the front lines of that battle
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Post by: hunter399 on April 07, 2020, 10:45:41 PM
I sure they would love about 85% of there workload in fall to be gone.Friend of mine talked to a warden today, said to be prepared for no fishing or hunting seasons for the remainder of the year and that any violations will be treated as poachingIt doesn't shock me one bit.
Post by: Mulie87 on April 07, 2020, 11:31:03 PM
Post by: Gobble Doc on April 07, 2020, 11:52:08 PM
Boeing sitting still
Paine field minimal commercial flights happening
Teachers and students at home for the year
Unemployment ratcheting up
Commercial crime rates increasing
Gas tax revenues plummeting
Elections approaching
Professional sports cancelled indefinitely
Sales tax revenues in the dumper
Just a few that come to mind
Yea, forget about your favorite boat ramp being open in 2020.
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Post by: Mulie87 on April 08, 2020, 07:42:40 AM
Jj. But I do believe the cure is more harmful that the problem.
Post by: HAGEMANIAC on April 08, 2020, 08:15:22 AM
I believe this virus is all a test....
A test of what? Compliance? If so, they got their answer because the sheeple have spoken.
Post by: Shooter4 on April 08, 2020, 08:19:33 AM
Yes Compliance and to see how much they can take away from us and yeah I guess they haveI believe this virus is all a test....
A test of what? Compliance? If so, they got their answer because the sheeple have spoken.
Post by: idahohuntr on April 08, 2020, 08:24:02 AM
I have a hard time calling folks who complied 'sheeple'...I see a lot of great Americans pulling together, looking out for one-another, sacrificing and serving their country.I believe this virus is all a test....
A test of what? Compliance? If so, they got their answer because the sheeple have spoken.
Post by: Russ McDonald on April 08, 2020, 09:24:00 AM
Some people believe hunting is a right similar to freedom of speech and freedom of religion. It isn't. Hunting is a privilege—one that can be taken away if you fail to meet certain standards. A right cannot be taken away from an individual; a privilege can.
Post by: hunter399 on April 08, 2020, 09:24:59 AM
You mean sacrificing:I have a hard time calling folks who complied 'sheeple'...I see a lot of great Americans pulling together, looking out for one-another, sacrificing and serving their country.I believe this virus is all a test....
A test of what? Compliance? If so, they got their answer because the sheeple have spoken.
Jobs,houses,cars,toilet paper,Hunting/fishing privileges,Retirement funds.
For everyone your saving there is thousands of peoples life your hurting by a complete economic shutdown.
Post by: KFhunter on April 08, 2020, 10:50:50 AM
I think some have forgotten this. It is also taught in hunter education.
Some people believe hunting is a right similar to freedom of speech and freedom of religion. It isn't. Hunting is a privilege—one that can be taken away if you fail to meet certain standards. A right cannot be taken away from an individual; a privilege can.
In some states it is a right, enumerated in the states' constitution. There's been attempts to make it a right in our state's constitution but it doesn't get any traction.
Post by: Craig on April 08, 2020, 11:21:57 AM
From Utah fish and game today.
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Post by: ctwiggs1 on April 08, 2020, 11:35:33 AM
I think the state has bigger problems than turkey seasons and no fishing:
Boeing sitting still
Paine field minimal commercial flights happening
Teachers and students at home for the year
Unemployment ratcheting up
Commercial crime rates increasing
Gas tax revenues plummeting
Elections approaching
Professional sports cancelled indefinitely
Sales tax revenues in the dumper
Just a few that come to mind
Yea, forget about your favorite boat ramp being open in 2020.
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Post by: Gobble Doc on April 08, 2020, 12:13:31 PM
State income tax out of this whole thing. Didn’t cross my mind until now. You’re right, Olympia will have more ammo for this now. Socialism at its finest. Hand out stimulus money and institute a state income tax. Brilliant. I won’t be seeing a cent of stimulus money but I am 100% certain I am paying for everyone else’s.I think the state has bigger problems than turkey seasons and no fishing:
Boeing sitting still
Paine field minimal commercial flights happening
Teachers and students at home for the year
Unemployment ratcheting up
Commercial crime rates increasing
Gas tax revenues plummeting
Elections approaching
Professional sports cancelled indefinitely
Sales tax revenues in the dumper
Just a few that come to mind
Yea, forget about your favorite boat ramp being open in 2020.
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Post by: Russ McDonald on April 14, 2020, 12:52:39 PM
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Post by: ThurstonCokid on April 14, 2020, 06:34:23 PM
Was holding off but I am on a call with WDFW about the season to opening. More to followLet us know
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Post by: hunter399 on April 14, 2020, 06:48:12 PM
I can't wait to hear this ,it should be good 🍿 waiting.Was holding off but I am on a call with WDFW about the season to opening. More to followLet us know
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Post by: Bango skank on April 14, 2020, 07:16:41 PM
They didn't bring that up in the meeting about points but they did bring up the possible fall season issues with points.
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Post by: hunter399 on April 14, 2020, 07:22:15 PM
Inslee is getting exactly what he has always wanted. Susewind is gutless and they could care less about us hunters and fisherman. I hope WDFW gets hit hard in the pocket book this year, they deserve it!! Disgusting!!!I wouldn't expect the legislature to be handing WDFW any money anytime soon.With revenue way down.I couldn't believe that they would be handing out raises around there,soon to be pink slips on the road we are going down.
Post by: hunter399 on April 14, 2020, 07:22:55 PM
So if i bought the get outdoors package thing what should i do about missing out on turkey and fishing opportunities thus far?You are pretty much screwed.
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Post by: hunter399 on April 14, 2020, 07:32:38 PM
I'm with bango ,what did they say about fall seasons - points?They didn't bring that up in the meeting about points but they did bring up the possible fall season issues with points.
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Post by: Limhangerslayer on April 14, 2020, 07:43:12 PM
So if i bought the get outdoors package thing what should i do about missing out on turkey and fishing opportunities thus far?should be renamed the don't get outdoors package, bit we'll still take your money!
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Post by: Russ McDonald on April 14, 2020, 07:47:54 PM
Big game. They are looking into the fall season. Not saying it is going to happen but they were talking about it.They didn't bring that up in the meeting about points but they did bring up the possible fall season issues with points.
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Post by: Russ McDonald on April 14, 2020, 07:49:50 PM
Special huntsBig game. They are looking into the fall season. Not saying it is going to happen but they were talking about it.They didn't bring that up in the meeting about points but they did bring up the possible fall season issues with points.
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Post by: Bango skank on April 14, 2020, 07:49:51 PM
Big game. They are looking into the fall season. Not saying it is going to happen but they were talking about it.They didn't bring that up in the meeting about points but they did bring up the possible fall season issues with points.
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Post by: Russ McDonald on April 14, 2020, 07:50:44 PM
About points give back and redunds if warranted.Big game. They are looking into the fall season. Not saying it is going to happen but they were talking about it.They didn't bring that up in the meeting about points but they did bring up the possible fall season issues with points.
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Post by: Bango skank on April 14, 2020, 07:51:59 PM
Post by: Russ McDonald on April 14, 2020, 07:52:58 PM
I would think hard about doing special hunt permits. They talked that if it happens they will do refundsamd give points back. Inwas floored they were looking that far into the futureAbout points give back and redunds if warranted.Big game. They are looking into the fall season. Not saying it is going to happen but they were talking about it.They didn't bring that up in the meeting about points but they did bring up the possible fall season issues with points.
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Post by: Russ McDonald on April 14, 2020, 07:54:08 PM
Can you imagine drawing an oil, then being told sorry, were going to give your points back, no hunting this year...Yup I put in for a moose tag every year for the last 9 years.
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Post by: ghosthunter on April 14, 2020, 08:00:17 PM
But now with Idiot planning with Oregon and Cali I do t know. This might go one through June.
Post by: Bango skank on April 14, 2020, 08:00:23 PM
Post by: hunter399 on April 14, 2020, 08:28:15 PM
Can you imagine drawing an oil, then being told sorry, were going to give your points back, no hunting this year...There is a very good possibility,I don't put in for oil tags but man I would be pissed off.
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Post by: Bango skank on April 15, 2020, 09:20:16 AM
Post by: hunter399 on April 15, 2020, 09:25:46 AM
If its any consolation, you guys arent missing out on much today. Pouring rain in colville for the turkey opener.Don't let this fool ya,I was on my way home from work this mourning turkeys everywhere. :yike:
EVERYWHERE :yike: :yike: :yike:🦃🦃🦃🦃
Post by: buckfvr on April 15, 2020, 10:13:55 AM
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Post by: Bango skank on April 15, 2020, 11:12:17 AM
Sure theres turkey out there IF you are "fool" enough to be out in this crap weather.
Its nasty enough i wouldnt be hunting in this even if it was the late whitetail opener.
Now if it was the last day of late whitetail i might put up with it. But i wouldnt like it.
Pouring rain and wind blowing and swirling. Good day to hang out in pajamas with a good fire going in the wood stove.
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Post by: Stein on April 15, 2020, 12:38:05 PM
Nah, be just like it is now, if you close it to anyone, you must close it to everyone. Precedence has been set.
I'm sure it's gossip, but they could close the general season and leave the special permits up. The general would be closed for everyone and the special would be open for anyone to apply. There are some units that have no general and that's fine - this would just extend that state wide.
I don't see that happening though. WDFW will keep everything up and just address it as/if the Gov's order gets extended.
Post by: Russ McDonald on April 15, 2020, 03:00:31 PM
I am hearing that fall hunting seasons will be closed unless you draw a permit. That way the WDFW gets to keep all of the money spent getting licenses and permit application fees. With the small amount of individuals being drawn for permits they will be separated by miles instead of the normal pumpkin patch openers for the regular seasons where it is expected that hunters will be closer than six feet... ;)Not even anything close to that mentioned in the meeting yesterday.
I can tell you that my gut feeling is turkey season will not open this spring. I am hoping that I am wrong. Problem is state public lands are still closed. This is what was said last night that they can't open everthing like a flip of the switch. Itnwould be a slow roll out because a lot of areas have not been maintained while they have been shutdown and locked up. Example would be they aren't going to evaluate until the 4th. They will wait for the stay at home order to be relaxed. If that were to happen then they will coordinate to see if thise local communities want the influx of hunters. Open up the lands. So season would nit open till probably around the 11th or later. This all is going to hinge on this Stay at Home order. If it gets extended so will the closure. I want to bring people kut turkey hunting just as bad as everyone else. Maybe if chase an eastern on this side.
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Post by: Bango skank on April 15, 2020, 03:05:55 PM
Post by: Russ McDonald on April 15, 2020, 03:26:19 PM
State lands being closed shouldnt stop turkey hunters if the season was opened. Tons of private, usfs, and industrial timberland full of turkeys that is still open for guys to hunt on. The problem imo is that the sate would have s hard time maintaining the closure of state lands if they opened hunting back up.Yes exactly should have said it that way about the state land closure.
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Post by: Russ McDonald on April 15, 2020, 06:52:25 PM
WDFW Outdoor Recreation Leaders Videoconference on Coronavirus Closures and Re-Opening Recreational Opportunity
The video conference was attended by about 42 persons including 9 WDFW staff, 1 Commissioner, 1 Governor Natural Resource Policy Advisor, and outdoor user representatives as follows - 14 recreational fishing, fish charters/guides, 7 hunting groups and 10 recreational user groups.
The meeting was set up recognizing that WDFW had been faced with the need to make decisions quickly, and that they had not been able to get input from constituents.
The rational for decisions was based first on protecting public health and safety with the Governor’s orders taking precedence. Providing recreational opportunity was the second consideration.
How’d we get to closures. Started off with the scheduled coastal razor clam digs. WDFW originally saw no reason to close. However, Pacific Co. DOH issued a closure order to stop the razor clam dig in their area due to Covid19 concerns with amount of people travelling to the beaches and fears that local supplies would be overused. Once that went into effect, WDFW felt if wasn’t fair to impact other areas and implemented a total closure. WDFW also followed the governor’s orders of Stay at Home. Even without a dig, a huge amount of people were at the beaches. These people cleaned out the store supplies of items that the did have available in their areas, as feared.
Fishing closure were originally going to be aimed at high concentration fisheries, but as Covid 19 issues changed, the Governor’s office defined essential activities and equity for all became an issue, fishing was cancelled. The Governor’s order also does not consider monitor activities essential and this is needed to keep fisheries with ESA concerns open, forcing closure.
Hunting closures looked at the fact that, in most cases, 70-90% of hunters would need to travel to limited areas, thus placing large numbers in small communities, again taxing local resources and violating the Stay at Home order. The same rational was applied to state land usage. Rather that just allow local participation, WDFW opted for closures to ensure equal treatment.
WDFW didn’t want rural areas bombarded with hunters and fishers, and the effort required to enforce locals only regulations represented an unacceptable risk in terms of contacts and enforceability. We asked how they will enforce going forward and were told that officers will be out doing their job as usual. There were quite a few comments about poor communications from the department on closures and a feeling that there is no consistency. Examples: WDFW has said there is a closure for spring turkey season, but the emergency regulation required to implement the closure is not listed. In compliance with Stay at Home order people are not able to fish, but people can go out boating.
The goal is to get users back out, but it will have to be done in compliance with guidance from the Governor and local health authorities. It may have to be phased in, lands/facilities may need prepped and agency coordination is needed, etc. The main goal is to not trigger a 2nd wave of virus issues.
We broke out into Fishing, Hunting and Lands groups respectively. There was discussion of an extension of turkey season if it was opened in May. Discussion was that an extension should consider hunt quality, nesting/poult disturbance, and safety. NWTF’s position was two fold: 1st - Although birds would be there, much of Spring season revolves around toms being conducive to calling. We all know that this urge wanes as season goes on, so we questioned actual quality of activity if season went into June. 2nd - We would be towards the end of nesting and likely chasing hens off of nests and disturbing poults on the ground. The allure would not be there. A suggestion was made if we do extend it to only do it into the first week of June only. They also discussed having 2 youth only days as we open back up. Not a bad idea but my thought is that it could be a hard hunt with limited chance of success. If there was a youth season a suggestion was to make it during the middle of the week because they aren’t in school right now. WDFW said that if they were to open, it could be a slow roll out, working with rural communities and local health departments. It was suggested in the break out to do an area opening location by location. This may not address the need to promote dispersed recreation and public lands would need to be opened back up. Discussion on if the season does not happen what can be done to help hunting in the fall. The turkey population could to be a lot higher and we would like to work more closely with nuisance specialist to get new hunters, youth or disabled out on damage properties for an opportunity and hunting of those turkeys vs issuing kill permits.
Our honest impression after meeting was that getting a spring turkey season is mostly likely not going to happen. We think WDFW would like to allow hunters out if impacts can be mitigated. That would rely on us all to do the right thing. The bigger factor is the Governor’s Stay at Home order and essential activities designations. Being a state agency, WDFW is obligated to comply, no matter how much we want them to ignore those edicts. Changing the Governor’s mind is likely our best and only avenue. Fingers crossed for early May. I don‘t know anyone who does not want to be out there, the two of us included. Try to voice your opinion to the Department and Governor in a civil manner, even though it may be hard. We’re closed because of a virus, it is affecting all we do. Good or bad, don’t accept a few irresponsible users messing up chance of a possible opening or stealing the resource.
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Post by: jackelope on April 15, 2020, 07:02:54 PM
So the following is our staemwnt from our notes from our meeting with WDFW yesterday. It is a long read but I hope that there is good information there.
WDFW Outdoor Recreation Leaders Videoconference on Coronavirus Closures and Re-Opening Recreational Opportunity
The video conference was attended by about 42 persons including 9 WDFW staff, 1 Commissioner, 1 Governor Natural Resource Policy Advisor, and outdoor user representatives as follows - 14 recreational fishing, fish charters/guides, 7 hunting groups and 10 recreational user groups.
The meeting was set up recognizing that WDFW had been faced with the need to make decisions quickly, and that they had not been able to get input from constituents.
The rational for decisions was based first on protecting public health and safety with the Governor’s orders taking precedence. Providing recreational opportunity was the second consideration.
How’d we get to closures. Started off with the scheduled coastal razor clam digs. WDFW originally saw no reason to close. However, Pacific Co. DOH issued a closure order to stop the razor clam dig in their area due to Covid19 concerns with amount of people travelling to the beaches and fears that local supplies would be overused. Once that went into effect, WDFW felt if wasn’t fair to impact other areas and implemented a total closure. WDFW also followed the governor’s orders of Stay at Home. Even without a dig, a huge amount of people were at the beaches. These people cleaned out the store supplies of items that the did have available in their areas, as feared.
Fishing closure were originally going to be aimed at high concentration fisheries, but as Covid 19 issues changed, the Governor’s office defined essential activities and equity for all became an issue, fishing was cancelled. The Governor’s order also does not consider monitor activities essential and this is needed to keep fisheries with ESA concerns open, forcing closure.
Hunting closures looked at the fact that, in most cases, 70-90% of hunters would need to travel to limited areas, thus placing large numbers in small communities, again taxing local resources and violating the Stay at Home order. The same rational was applied to state land usage. Rather that just allow local participation, WDFW opted for closures to ensure equal treatment.
WDFW didn’t want rural areas bombarded with hunters and fishers, and the effort required to enforce locals only regulations represented an unacceptable risk in terms of contacts and enforceability. We asked how they will enforce going forward and were told that officers will be out doing their job as usual. There were quite a few comments about poor communications from the department on closures and a feeling that there is no consistency. Examples: WDFW has said there is a closure for spring turkey season, but the emergency regulation required to implement the closure is not listed. In compliance with Stay at Home order people are not able to fish, but people can go out boating.
The goal is to get users back out, but it will have to be done in compliance with guidance from the Governor and local health authorities. It may have to be phased in, lands/facilities may need prepped and agency coordination is needed, etc. The main goal is to not trigger a 2nd wave of virus issues.
We broke out into Fishing, Hunting and Lands groups respectively. There was discussion of an extension of turkey season if it was opened in May. Discussion was that an extension should consider hunt quality, nesting/poult disturbance, and safety. NWTF’s position was two fold: 1st - Although birds would be there, much of Spring season revolves around toms being conducive to calling. We all know that this urge wanes as season goes on, so we questioned actual quality of activity if season went into June. 2nd - We would be towards the end of nesting and likely chasing hens off of nests and disturbing poults on the ground. The allure would not be there. A suggestion was made if we do extend it to only do it into the first week of June only. They also discussed having 2 youth only days as we open back up. Not a bad idea but my thought is that it could be a hard hunt with limited chance of success. If there was a youth season a suggestion was to make it during the middle of the week because they aren’t in school right now. WDFW said that if they were to open, it could be a slow roll out, working with rural communities and local health departments. It was suggested in the break out to do an area opening location by location. This may not address the need to promote dispersed recreation and public lands would need to be opened back up. Discussion on if the season does not happen what can be done to help hunting in the fall. The turkey population could to be a lot higher and we would like to work more closely with nuisance specialist to get new hunters, youth or disabled out on damage properties for an opportunity and hunting of those turkeys vs issuing kill permits.
Our honest impression after meeting was that getting a spring turkey season is mostly likely not going to happen. We think WDFW would like to allow hunters out if impacts can be mitigated. That would rely on us all to do the right thing. The bigger factor is the Governor’s Stay at Home order and essential activities designations. Being a state agency, WDFW is obligated to comply, no matter how much we want them to ignore those edicts. Changing the Governor’s mind is likely our best and only avenue. Fingers crossed for early May. I don‘t know anyone who does not want to be out there, the two of us included. Try to voice your opinion to the Department and Governor in a civil manner, even though it may be hard. We’re closed because of a virus, it is affecting all we do. Good or bad, don’t accept a few irresponsible users messing up chance of a possible opening or stealing the resource.
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Great post, Russ. Thanks for sharing.
Post by: Pinetar on April 15, 2020, 07:25:14 PM
Post by: hunter399 on April 15, 2020, 07:28:30 PM
I Agree great post very informative.So the following is our staemwnt from our notes from our meeting with WDFW yesterday. It is a long read but I hope that there is good information there.
WDFW Outdoor Recreation Leaders Videoconference on Coronavirus Closures and Re-Opening Recreational Opportunity
The video conference was attended by about 42 persons including 9 WDFW staff, 1 Commissioner, 1 Governor Natural Resource Policy Advisor, and outdoor user representatives as follows - 14 recreational fishing, fish charters/guides, 7 hunting groups and 10 recreational user groups.
The meeting was set up recognizing that WDFW had been faced with the need to make decisions quickly, and that they had not been able to get input from constituents.
The rational for decisions was based first on protecting public health and safety with the Governor’s orders taking precedence. Providing recreational opportunity was the second consideration.
How’d we get to closures. Started off with the scheduled coastal razor clam digs. WDFW originally saw no reason to close. However, Pacific Co. DOH issued a closure order to stop the razor clam dig in their area due to Covid19 concerns with amount of people travelling to the beaches and fears that local supplies would be overused. Once that went into effect, WDFW felt if wasn’t fair to impact other areas and implemented a total closure. WDFW also followed the governor’s orders of Stay at Home. Even without a dig, a huge amount of people were at the beaches. These people cleaned out the store supplies of items that the did have available in their areas, as feared.
Fishing closure were originally going to be aimed at high concentration fisheries, but as Covid 19 issues changed, the Governor’s office defined essential activities and equity for all became an issue, fishing was cancelled. The Governor’s order also does not consider monitor activities essential and this is needed to keep fisheries with ESA concerns open, forcing closure.
Hunting closures looked at the fact that, in most cases, 70-90% of hunters would need to travel to limited areas, thus placing large numbers in small communities, again taxing local resources and violating the Stay at Home order. The same rational was applied to state land usage. Rather that just allow local participation, WDFW opted for closures to ensure equal treatment.
WDFW didn’t want rural areas bombarded with hunters and fishers, and the effort required to enforce locals only regulations represented an unacceptable risk in terms of contacts and enforceability. We asked how they will enforce going forward and were told that officers will be out doing their job as usual. There were quite a few comments about poor communications from the department on closures and a feeling that there is no consistency. Examples: WDFW has said there is a closure for spring turkey season, but the emergency regulation required to implement the closure is not listed. In compliance with Stay at Home order people are not able to fish, but people can go out boating.
The goal is to get users back out, but it will have to be done in compliance with guidance from the Governor and local health authorities. It may have to be phased in, lands/facilities may need prepped and agency coordination is needed, etc. The main goal is to not trigger a 2nd wave of virus issues.
We broke out into Fishing, Hunting and Lands groups respectively. There was discussion of an extension of turkey season if it was opened in May. Discussion was that an extension should consider hunt quality, nesting/poult disturbance, and safety. NWTF’s position was two fold: 1st - Although birds would be there, much of Spring season revolves around toms being conducive to calling. We all know that this urge wanes as season goes on, so we questioned actual quality of activity if season went into June. 2nd - We would be towards the end of nesting and likely chasing hens off of nests and disturbing poults on the ground. The allure would not be there. A suggestion was made if we do extend it to only do it into the first week of June only. They also discussed having 2 youth only days as we open back up. Not a bad idea but my thought is that it could be a hard hunt with limited chance of success. If there was a youth season a suggestion was to make it during the middle of the week because they aren’t in school right now. WDFW said that if they were to open, it could be a slow roll out, working with rural communities and local health departments. It was suggested in the break out to do an area opening location by location. This may not address the need to promote dispersed recreation and public lands would need to be opened back up. Discussion on if the season does not happen what can be done to help hunting in the fall. The turkey population could to be a lot higher and we would like to work more closely with nuisance specialist to get new hunters, youth or disabled out on damage properties for an opportunity and hunting of those turkeys vs issuing kill permits.
Our honest impression after meeting was that getting a spring turkey season is mostly likely not going to happen. We think WDFW would like to allow hunters out if impacts can be mitigated. That would rely on us all to do the right thing. The bigger factor is the Governor’s Stay at Home order and essential activities designations. Being a state agency, WDFW is obligated to comply, no matter how much we want them to ignore those edicts. Changing the Governor’s mind is likely our best and only avenue. Fingers crossed for early May. I don‘t know anyone who does not want to be out there, the two of us included. Try to voice your opinion to the Department and Governor in a civil manner, even though it may be hard. We’re closed because of a virus, it is affecting all we do. Good or bad, don’t accept a few irresponsible users messing up chance of a possible opening or stealing the resource.
Russell McDonald Richard Mann
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Great post, Russ. Thanks for sharing.
It's kinda glass half full or half empty deal with WDFW .
Post by: Russ McDonald on April 15, 2020, 07:35:16 PM
Yeah i thought I was feeling good about a partial season but we came away not very confident. That it will happen.I Agree great post very informative.So the following is our staemwnt from our notes from our meeting with WDFW yesterday. It is a long read but I hope that there is good information there.
WDFW Outdoor Recreation Leaders Videoconference on Coronavirus Closures and Re-Opening Recreational Opportunity
The video conference was attended by about 42 persons including 9 WDFW staff, 1 Commissioner, 1 Governor Natural Resource Policy Advisor, and outdoor user representatives as follows - 14 recreational fishing, fish charters/guides, 7 hunting groups and 10 recreational user groups.
The meeting was set up recognizing that WDFW had been faced with the need to make decisions quickly, and that they had not been able to get input from constituents.
The rational for decisions was based first on protecting public health and safety with the Governor’s orders taking precedence. Providing recreational opportunity was the second consideration.
How’d we get to closures. Started off with the scheduled coastal razor clam digs. WDFW originally saw no reason to close. However, Pacific Co. DOH issued a closure order to stop the razor clam dig in their area due to Covid19 concerns with amount of people travelling to the beaches and fears that local supplies would be overused. Once that went into effect, WDFW felt if wasn’t fair to impact other areas and implemented a total closure. WDFW also followed the governor’s orders of Stay at Home. Even without a dig, a huge amount of people were at the beaches. These people cleaned out the store supplies of items that the did have available in their areas, as feared.
Fishing closure were originally going to be aimed at high concentration fisheries, but as Covid 19 issues changed, the Governor’s office defined essential activities and equity for all became an issue, fishing was cancelled. The Governor’s order also does not consider monitor activities essential and this is needed to keep fisheries with ESA concerns open, forcing closure.
Hunting closures looked at the fact that, in most cases, 70-90% of hunters would need to travel to limited areas, thus placing large numbers in small communities, again taxing local resources and violating the Stay at Home order. The same rational was applied to state land usage. Rather that just allow local participation, WDFW opted for closures to ensure equal treatment.
WDFW didn’t want rural areas bombarded with hunters and fishers, and the effort required to enforce locals only regulations represented an unacceptable risk in terms of contacts and enforceability. We asked how they will enforce going forward and were told that officers will be out doing their job as usual. There were quite a few comments about poor communications from the department on closures and a feeling that there is no consistency. Examples: WDFW has said there is a closure for spring turkey season, but the emergency regulation required to implement the closure is not listed. In compliance with Stay at Home order people are not able to fish, but people can go out boating.
The goal is to get users back out, but it will have to be done in compliance with guidance from the Governor and local health authorities. It may have to be phased in, lands/facilities may need prepped and agency coordination is needed, etc. The main goal is to not trigger a 2nd wave of virus issues.
We broke out into Fishing, Hunting and Lands groups respectively. There was discussion of an extension of turkey season if it was opened in May. Discussion was that an extension should consider hunt quality, nesting/poult disturbance, and safety. NWTF’s position was two fold: 1st - Although birds would be there, much of Spring season revolves around toms being conducive to calling. We all know that this urge wanes as season goes on, so we questioned actual quality of activity if season went into June. 2nd - We would be towards the end of nesting and likely chasing hens off of nests and disturbing poults on the ground. The allure would not be there. A suggestion was made if we do extend it to only do it into the first week of June only. They also discussed having 2 youth only days as we open back up. Not a bad idea but my thought is that it could be a hard hunt with limited chance of success. If there was a youth season a suggestion was to make it during the middle of the week because they aren’t in school right now. WDFW said that if they were to open, it could be a slow roll out, working with rural communities and local health departments. It was suggested in the break out to do an area opening location by location. This may not address the need to promote dispersed recreation and public lands would need to be opened back up. Discussion on if the season does not happen what can be done to help hunting in the fall. The turkey population could to be a lot higher and we would like to work more closely with nuisance specialist to get new hunters, youth or disabled out on damage properties for an opportunity and hunting of those turkeys vs issuing kill permits.
Our honest impression after meeting was that getting a spring turkey season is mostly likely not going to happen. We think WDFW would like to allow hunters out if impacts can be mitigated. That would rely on us all to do the right thing. The bigger factor is the Governor’s Stay at Home order and essential activities designations. Being a state agency, WDFW is obligated to comply, no matter how much we want them to ignore those edicts. Changing the Governor’s mind is likely our best and only avenue. Fingers crossed for early May. I don‘t know anyone who does not want to be out there, the two of us included. Try to voice your opinion to the Department and Governor in a civil manner, even though it may be hard. We’re closed because of a virus, it is affecting all we do. Good or bad, don’t accept a few irresponsible users messing up chance of a possible opening or stealing the resource.
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Great post, Russ. Thanks for sharing.
It's kinda glass half full or half empty deal with WDFW .
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Post by: tgomez on April 15, 2020, 08:48:17 PM
Same here. I dont put in for goat or sheep, but id really like a moose tag. Moose are really not doing so well, id like a tag while its still worth having.
Moose all over Mt. Spokane area.
Post by: ctwiggs1 on April 15, 2020, 08:55:54 PM
Bad news for us.
So much for science.
Post by: hunter399 on April 15, 2020, 09:11:52 PM
Weather wasn't that bad today rain with sun breaks on and off.Sure theres turkey out there IF you are "fool" enough to be out in this crap weather.
Its nasty enough i wouldnt be hunting in this even if it was the late whitetail opener.
Now if it was the last day of late whitetail i might put up with it. But i wouldnt like it.
Pouring rain and wind blowing and swirling. Good day to hang out in pajamas with a good fire going in the wood stove.
Deer season wouldn't stop me one bit ,thought you guys where a little more hard core than this.wow.
Shot my buck on the very last day of rifle last year ,you could of got a drink of water out of your rifle barrel it was so wet.
Anyway here a pic of sun setting.
And a YouTube went out to get the dog out of the kennel and rattled the gate latch Turkey gobbles all over.
Post by: scooby on April 16, 2020, 08:47:37 AM
Post by: Russ McDonald on April 16, 2020, 09:05:26 AM
Thanks for your update and advocacy Russ. I haven't been putting it off for any reason other than laziness, but I joined NWTF yesterday instead of going hunting. I'm looking forward to helping out.Thank you for joining. We need a big voice here in Washington for turkeys and a lot of times they look at your membership in the state. Last year over 36K turkey tags sold. Average 2-3 tags oer person that would mean around 10K plus turkey hunters in the state. We have less than 600 members in this state. We are doing a lot trying to get the state to change things in turkey hunting. We have been without a turkey plan for over 10 years. No trap and relocate plan in place. I have been working hard to get something in place but I get ahead some and small game person from WDFW l have to break in someone else. Our NWTF bio gets a new job so start over again. Next bio gets rif'd so bow our bio takes care or NV, CA, OR and WA.
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Post by: scooby on April 16, 2020, 09:23:41 AM
Thanks for your update and advocacy Russ. I haven't been putting it off for any reason other than laziness, but I joined NWTF yesterday instead of going hunting. I'm looking forward to helping out.Thank you for joining. We need a big voice here in Washington for turkeys and a lot of times they look at your membership in the state. Last year over 36K turkey tags sold. Average 2-3 tags oer person that would mean around 10K plus turkey hunters in the state. We have less than 600 members in this state. We are doing a lot trying to get the state to change things in turkey hunting. We have been without a turkey plan for over 10 years. No trap and relocate plan in place. I have been working hard to get something in place but I get ahead some and small game person from WDFW l have to break in someone else. Our NWTF bio gets a new job so start over again. Next bio gets rif'd so bow our bio takes care or NV, CA, OR and WA.
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That sounds incredibly frustrating. It's hard for any conservation to make progress if there aren't two consistent sides with a plan.
I'm happy to add to that small number of members. I'll help out however I can!
Post by: PA BEN on April 16, 2020, 10:29:06 AM
Post by: ThurstonCokid on April 16, 2020, 10:30:54 AM
It's frustrating to wake up to gobbles every morning on your own private property and can't hunt them.Pretty dumb! I agree. All i know if that i should be in the woods all alone, perfectly social distancing. But that’d make me a poacher
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Post by: CaNINE on April 16, 2020, 05:16:57 PM
It's frustrating to wake up to gobbles every morning on your own private property and can't hunt them.
Sure wouldn’t mind seeing some more pics to sooth my anguish.
Post by: hunter399 on April 16, 2020, 05:23:58 PM
:tup:It's frustrating to wake up to gobbles every morning on your own private property and can't hunt them.
Sure wouldn’t mind seeing some more pics to sooth my anguish.
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Post by: CaNINE on April 16, 2020, 07:14:08 PM
My finger started to involuntary twitch.
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Post by: CaNINE on April 17, 2020, 06:35:10 AM
https://m.youtube.com/channel/UC8PfWx4kgPFSQ31cyQtRILA
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Post by: Bango skank on April 17, 2020, 07:39:54 AM
Russ, you are welcome to come set that up on my place close to a road with no shotgun, need to see if WDFW about!!!! If they push the point I would be glad to show up in court and demonstrate the social distancing advantages and intruduce some private property concepts.
People all over in visible locations with blinds, decoys, calls but no weapon. Guys in boats with poles out with no hook, screw with em, make a point. Sorry, not hunting, not fishing, no ticket.
Post by: ctwiggs1 on April 17, 2020, 07:43:51 AM
Do you need a permit to carry spurs as big as that dead turkey has? Holy smokes!
Post by: PA BEN on April 17, 2020, 07:40:54 PM
It's frustrating to wake up to gobbles every morning on your own private property and can't hunt them.
Sure wouldn’t mind seeing some more pics to sooth my anguish.
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@buckcanyonlodge
Do you need a permit to carry spurs as big as that dead turkey has? Holy smokes!
Spurs that big I call shanks...just like in prison
Post by: baldopepper on April 21, 2020, 05:48:02 PM
Inslee just gave a speech. He talked about opening outdoor recreation and construction in the upcoming days. He said they will look at it in 4dys. I think we might be able to chase Toms, boys👍 Keep your fingers crossed. If he opens public lands, wdfw will have to open hunting/fishing so we can get out.sure hope so, last few days seems the Tom's around have just been mocking me. Crossing the hwy and stopping to fan and strut. For the most part really henned up but still a few very large flocks hanging together. Lake below the house seems to be begging to have a fishing line thrown in it.
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Post by: scooby on April 21, 2020, 09:40:04 PM
Do y’all think outdoor recreation is Hunting In Jay inslees mind? I’m still hoping on a spring turkey hunt!
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I really hope so! I've got my fingers crossed. Even if it has to be your own county, I'll at least be glad some of you NE'ers can get out and get some birds.
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Post by: ctwiggs1 on April 22, 2020, 08:00:57 AM
terrible plan by comrads in olympia! from state lockdown to county lockdown to town lockdown to street lockdown... being treated like a F@#$#@$@ criminal! hope that after this is over some lawyers work over the state hard core!@birddogdad
Not quite like a criminal. We're letting them do what they want. You're being treated the way law abiding, tax paying citizens are treated in this state: Like peasants. Remember, Inslee called the folks who protested "insubordinate".
Post by: Lady Grouse hunter on April 22, 2020, 08:37:14 AM
Post by: buckfvr on April 22, 2020, 08:41:42 AM
terrible plan by comrads in olympia! from state lockdown to county lockdown to town lockdown to street lockdown... being treated like a F@#$#@$@ criminal! hope that after this is over some lawyers work over the state hard core!@birddogdad
Not quite like a criminal. We're letting them do what they want. You're being treated the way law abiding, tax paying citizens are treated in this state: Like peasants. Remember, Inslee called the folks who protested "insubordinate".
Ironic since insleez has been nothing but insubordinate of the president.
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Post by: hunter399 on April 22, 2020, 12:03:19 PM
Sounds to me like giving up turkey hunting for a year is probably this best idea. I'm an east sider and a turkey hunter. Don't open up the flood gates.What if they allow you to hunt the county you live in.
Post by: birddogdad on April 22, 2020, 12:04:16 PM
Sounds to me like giving up turkey hunting for a year is probably this best idea. I'm an east sider and a turkey hunter. Don't open up the flood gates.
flood gates is a funny discussion.. you mean normal amount of hunters in those areas holding birds.... as that is where people go for turkeys.... :twocents: The "local business owners" control social distancing. me at a green gate parking a truck and walking or bicycling, running a mcd's drive thru or pumping gas really are not strong arguments..
Post by: ThurstonCokid on April 22, 2020, 12:05:39 PM
Agreed. It’d really be up to the hunters to be smart and do the right thing. But absolutely no reason we should get screwed out of an entire spring season. We can social distance while we are behind the gates.Sounds to me like giving up turkey hunting for a year is probably this best idea. I'm an east sider and a turkey hunter. Don't open up the flood gates.
flood gates is a funny discussion.. you mean normal amount of hunters in those areas holding birds.... as that is where people go for turkeys.... :twocents: The "local business owners" control social distancing. me at a green gate parking a truck and walking or bicycling, running a mcd's drive thru or pumping gas really are not strong arguments..
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Post by: hunter399 on April 22, 2020, 12:10:04 PM
This is going to be a slow roll out guys. Not a flip of the switch. It was talked about in our meeting with WDFW. Not recommended by us but most likely they are going to, if they open it up, allow hunting in the county you reside in first then monitor. The open more up slowly. The biggest population of turkey hunters are on the west side. Most don't have turkeys in their county the reside in. So don't get super excited yet. It isn't going to open like we all hope it will. Letters have been written from the NWTF to the governor and director of the NWTF to open the season. We have been putting pressure on them.I've heard it being talked about a few different spots also.
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Should WDFW open it up on a county level.
:boxin:
Alright go
Let the popcorn fly.
Post by: JeffRaines on April 22, 2020, 12:16:06 PM
Sounds to me like giving up turkey hunting for a year is probably this best idea. I'm an east sider and a turkey hunter. Don't open up the flood gates.What if they allow you to hunt the county you live in.
I personally think it would be ridiculous to try and limit people to the county they live in. I'm not saying that I support people traveling, but as you can see by the way people act on this board its not going to stop people(just look at the people who still travel into Idaho for hunting when Idaho has considered recreational travel to be nonessential thus not allowed, but no enforcement), and theres going to be very little in the way of enforcement here. I just feel like we could instead not recommend travel, perhaps some would follow it, and issue some suggestions on limiting contact(for those who need to be told not to flood into the grocery stores, etc)... probably be better. or just as effective, as a "only in your county" unenforceable rule.
Post by: Stein on April 22, 2020, 12:17:44 PM
Right now, there is no restriction on travel to go hiking, wake boarding, whatever you want to do other than fishing and hunting. They say you shouldn't, but nobody is checking county licenses at boat ramps. Many ramps are open, trailheads are open, lakes are open, rivers are open, parks are open.
In my opinion, everything should be on the same level, the virus doesn't care if you have a waterski on your foot or a camo boot. All recreation should have the same regulations.
I'm afraid of setting a precedence that hunting and fishing should be treated different than something else. It will then always be the first closed and last opened.
Push for equal treatment of all recreation.
Post by: huntnphool on April 22, 2020, 12:25:49 PM
Sounds to me like giving up turkey hunting for a year is probably this best idea. I'm an east sider and a turkey hunter. Don't open up the flood gates.What if they allow you to hunt the county you live in.
Discrimination
Post by: HillHound on April 22, 2020, 12:29:33 PM
Open it up for the county you reside in!!
Post by: Mulie87 on April 22, 2020, 12:41:39 PM
Post by: avidnwoutdoorsman on April 22, 2020, 12:43:00 PM
I think the county idea is horrible and I don't plan to hunt spring turkey either way. For starters, it is a nightmare and likely not legal. Second, it again puts hunting on a regulation far and above other recreation. You can legally travel anywhere in the state, unless you have a fishing rod or hunting rifle you want to use.
Right now, there is no restriction on travel to go hiking, wake boarding, whatever you want to do other than fishing and hunting. They say you shouldn't, but nobody is checking county licenses at boat ramps. Many ramps are open, trailheads are open, lakes are open, rivers are open, parks are open.
In my opinion, everything should be on the same level, the virus doesn't care if you have a waterski on your foot or a camo boot. All recreation should have the same regulations.
I'm afraid of setting a precedence that hunting and fishing should be treated different than something else. It will then always be the first closed and last opened.
Push for equal treatment of all recreation.
:yeah:
This is where I'm at.... to say someone going hiking poses less of a threat to taking away needed medical resources because of a possible incident then someone going hunting (or fishing) is a joke. Google it. "Hiking Accident Washington State" versus "Hunting Accident Washington State". One obviously has more and its not hunting.
And I don't need google to tell me if there are more people recreational hikers in WA then there are hunters in Washington either. Just complete and utter cow manure. Try to convince me that hikers only stay in their area and don't pose a threat with travelling. You wont, you can't.
Would love an honest answer, like honest answer. Just say it, "I Gov Inslee am a bunny lover and therefore will take every opportunity I can to stop people from hunting whenever I can because my tree hugging, granola eating, uninformed Puget Sound constituents will support me if I do."
Post by: Stein on April 22, 2020, 12:45:51 PM
No discrimination is being treated differently for something you can’t control, it’s on you if you live somewhere you can’t hunt.
Open it up for the county you reside in!!
I have no control over the government telling me I can't hunt. I still fail to see why we allow hunting and fishing to be treated differently than any other recreation. We are almost cheering the possibility of restricting public land and animal access to few people.
I love to crab but if someone proposed never allowing anyone on the east side to be able to come over and catch some crab, I would be the first guy to cry foul.
We all chose our residence based on the notion that public lands and animals were open to all.
If we should stay home, let's stay home. If we can travel, then let's travel. Make it apply to any recreation, same rules for everything.
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Post by: Stein on April 22, 2020, 12:53:51 PM
Also, take me halibut fishing @Stein! :chuckle:
Wish I could buddy! I have everything all ready to go, even retied all of the terminal tackle and got a new rod last year.
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Post by: huntnphool on April 22, 2020, 01:29:26 PM
No discrimination is being treated differently for something you can’t control, it’s on you if you live somewhere you can’t hunt.
Wrong!
Post by: Stein on April 22, 2020, 01:46:48 PM
I can tell you that we said that we do not like the idea of opening to the county you reside in. It should be consitent fir the whole state. If you open turkey season it is open for all. Consistency was brought up quite a few times. There is nothing that has been done during this that has been consistent. Like boating allowed but not fishing.
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That's pretty much the problem. The state said, "hey, there are too many people on the lakes, rivers and woods now that many people aren't working." So, they picked on one user group and shut it down to fishing and hunting. Everyone else can go except recreational hunters and fishermen. The state picked winners and losers instead of a consistent policy to address the virus issue.
We should be yelling even louder if they try to further pick winners and losers among our community. The resources, land and opportunity belong to us all.
Post by: Pegasus on April 22, 2020, 01:54:47 PM
I can tell you that we said that we do not like the idea of opening to the county you reside in. It should be consitent fir the whole state. If you open turkey season it is open for all. Consistency was brought up quite a few times. There is nothing that has been done during this that has been consistent. Like boating allowed but not fishing.
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That's pretty much the problem. The state said, "hey, there are too many people on the lakes, rivers and woods now that many people aren't working." So, they picked on one user group and shut it down to fishing and hunting. Everyone else can go except recreational hunters and fishermen. The state picked winners and losers instead of a consistent policy to address the virus issue.
We should be yelling even louder if they try to further pick winners and losers among our community. The resources, land and opportunity belong to us all.
Actually Stein we should be filing a lawsuit and just maybe AG Barr will join us.
Post by: WSU on April 22, 2020, 01:58:48 PM
Also, take me halibut fishing @Stein! :chuckle:
Wish I could buddy! I have everything all ready to go, even retied all of the terminal tackle and got a new rod last year.
Where you headed? Maybe I'll see you there.
Post by: Stein on April 22, 2020, 02:25:17 PM
Also, take me halibut fishing @Stein! :chuckle:
Wish I could buddy! I have everything all ready to go, even retied all of the terminal tackle and got a new rod last year.
Where you headed? Maybe I'll see you there.
Nowhere for at least 12 days. I'm on the fence, probably depends on when it opens and what the weather is like. The early opener this year was going to be great because it may have been ahead of the migration, but that's out the window.
Anyway, didn't mean to hijack the thread.
Post by: JeffRaines on April 22, 2020, 03:21:11 PM
I can tell you that we said that we do not like the idea of opening to the county you reside in. It should be consitent fir the whole state. If you open turkey season it is open for all. Consistency was brought up quite a few times. There is nothing that has been done during this that has been consistent. Like boating allowed but not fishing.
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Theres no realistic way to enforce it anyhow. Whats going to happen, the very few game wardens that work in the state are magically going to be in every forest checking peoples place of residence? I highly doubt it. If it even gets ordered it'll be a "feel good" regulation like limiting magazine size or gun free zones.
Post by: Mulie87 on April 22, 2020, 05:02:33 PM
Like clockwork Trump had a press conference immediately after Insleez. He said he is gonna open National Parks and federal land. That’s exciting.
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Post by: hunter399 on April 22, 2020, 05:09:43 PM
Ineez said they're going to look at the data this week and see of he can open the aforementioned restrictions. What’s the over/under? I say 30% chance he opens and 70% he keeps the outdoors locked down.I watch the whole thing with inslee didn't hear him say one word about outdoor recreation .
Like clockwork Trump had a press conference immediately after Insleez. He said he is gonna open National Parks and federal land. That’s exciting.
Thought he was gonna check numbers come out on Thursday to let us know about construction.But don't know :dunno. Could be wrong you never know with chin-slee.
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Post by: Shooter4 on April 22, 2020, 05:53:02 PM
Just got an email. Recreation, hunting and fushing leaders are invited to another meeting with WDFW April 29th to talk about how to go about re opening opportunities. More to follow. I take a lot of what you all say here to heart. It helps in a lot of what i will discuss with them again.When did this email come out you got
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Post by: Pegasus on April 22, 2020, 06:19:59 PM
Just got an email. Recreation, hunting and fushing leaders are invited to another meeting with WDFW April 29th to talk about how to go about re opening opportunities. More to follow. I take a lot of what you all say here to heart. It helps in a lot of what i will discuss with them again.
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What's to talk about? This is just a delaying tactic. If you go demand they open the hunting and fishing that day. No more delays and demand the Director of the WDFW grow a pair and join those two Sheriffs. You can cite the current research that contends that it is almost impossible to become infected outdoors. Then you can also give them the research that contends that this virus is already more widely spread and thus more people have had it . This lowers the death rate to flu numbers. Time to stop the insanity.
Post by: Russ McDonald on April 22, 2020, 06:20:41 PM
5:34 and it is a pretty select amount of people. Same people that were invited to the first meeting should have gotten the email.Just got an email. Recreation, hunting and fushing leaders are invited to another meeting with WDFW April 29th to talk about how to go about re opening opportunities. More to follow. I take a lot of what you all say here to heart. It helps in a lot of what i will discuss with them again.When did this email come out you got
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Post by: Shooter4 on April 22, 2020, 06:23:22 PM
5:34 and it is a pretty select amount of people. Same people that were invited to the first meeting should have gotten the email.Just got an email. Recreation, hunting and fushing leaders are invited to another meeting with WDFW April 29th to talk about how to go about re opening opportunities. More to follow. I take a lot of what you all say here to heart. It helps in a lot of what i will discuss with them again.what are your thoughts on them opening up?
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Post by: nwwanderer on April 22, 2020, 06:45:26 PM
Post by: Russ McDonald on April 22, 2020, 06:47:47 PM
My thoughts from the first meeting was no way it was going to open up. Now i think that pressure is being gelt from the public, outdoor advocacy groups like us at the NWTF. It is possible. It does revolve around the governors order. To have this follow up meeting is a good sign though.5:34 and it is a pretty select amount of people. Same people that were invited to the first meeting should have gotten the email.Just got an email. Recreation, hunting and fushing leaders are invited to another meeting with WDFW April 29th to talk about how to go about re opening opportunities. More to follow. I take a lot of what you all say here to heart. It helps in a lot of what i will discuss with them again.what are your thoughts on them opening up?
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Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on April 22, 2020, 06:52:37 PM
Just got an email. Recreation, hunting and fushing leaders are invited to another meeting with WDFW April 29th to talk about how to go about re opening opportunities. More to follow. I take a lot of what you all say here to heart. It helps in a lot of what i will discuss with them again.
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:tup: Thanks for all your efforts Russ!!!!!!
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Post by: Pegasus on April 23, 2020, 04:10:03 PM
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11468665/coronavirus-dies-sunlight-us-homeland-security-study/
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Post by: Ghost Hunter on April 23, 2020, 04:41:57 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on April 23, 2020, 04:46:59 PM
This month I traveled close to 1000 miles round trip to NE, stayed more than 2 weeks thinning timber. Didn't stop for groceries or fuel up either direction. Had two equipment service stops in Kettle Falls, stayed outside maintaining distance protocol on both. A long drive is hard on my knees, 350 to 400 miles is about all I can stand before I need to crawl out and stretch. At least I got to listen to the turkeys, see some wildlife and enjoy the outdoors. Had more than 14 days self quarantine at home prior. I'll do my best to minimize any risk giving or taking, but I plan to keep enjoying life.
Nebraska has timber?🤔
Post by: Ghost Hunter on April 23, 2020, 06:01:25 PM
NE corner. Take a bit more than 1000 miles to make it to Nebraka, but I've done that without stopping back in the day. But it is 1000 miles from home to the Wedge and back. And yes, Nebraska has a national forest. :tup:This month I traveled close to 1000 miles round trip to NE, stayed more than 2 weeks thinning timber. Didn't stop for groceries or fuel up either direction. Had two equipment service stops in Kettle Falls, stayed outside maintaining distance protocol on both. A long drive is hard on my knees, 350 to 400 miles is about all I can stand before I need to crawl out and stretch. At least I got to listen to the turkeys, see some wildlife and enjoy the outdoors. Had more than 14 days self quarantine at home prior. I'll do my best to minimize any risk giving or taking, but I plan to keep enjoying life.
Nebraska has timber?🤔
Post by: KFhunter on April 23, 2020, 09:34:15 PM
Post by: Pegasus on April 24, 2020, 01:36:33 PM
Just got an email. Recreation, hunting and fushing leaders are invited to another meeting with WDFW April 29th to talk about how to go about re opening opportunities. More to follow. I take a lot of what you all say here to heart. It helps in a lot of what i will discuss with them again.
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Here is some more ammo for your meeting:
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Post by: birddogdad on April 24, 2020, 02:29:38 PM
Post by: bobcat on April 24, 2020, 02:38:08 PM
don't let them float the nonsense of stay in your county.. lots of us don't have birds in our county... i purchased a STATE license....
Yeah, that's a really stupid idea.
Post by: Stein on April 24, 2020, 02:50:27 PM
Please don't support any version that carves it up or pits us against each other. If there is no enforced travel ban, than we should be able to travel for whatever recreation we choose.
Post by: birddogdad on April 24, 2020, 03:04:37 PM
Tell them to either open it up or shut down all recreation. We have had a near 100% compliance from my perspective which is better than any other portion of the order. Either include it when the stay at home restrictions are relaxed or close all outdoor recreation.
Please don't support any version that carves it up or pits us against each other. If there is no enforced travel ban, than we should be able to travel for whatever recreation we choose.
exactly, they have put the culture of distancing in place, let us exercise it properly. This is going to go on for at least this year and probably at least another until the herd immune response is achieved.. we need to be our own regulators now!!
Post by: hunter399 on April 24, 2020, 03:36:32 PM
Tell them to either open it up or shut down all recreation. We have had a near 100% compliance from my perspective which is better than any other portion of the order. Either include it when the stay at home restrictions are relaxed or close all outdoor recreation.I'll tell ya I do hope they open it up statewide.
Please don't support any version that carves it up or pits us against each other. If there is no enforced travel ban, than we should be able to travel for whatever recreation we choose.
At the same time I'm not gonna say shut it all down cause one person from another county can't participate.
With that said that's why it has been closed ,because you guys over there have not been able to come over.
With the stay at home order.
Which yes it's not enforced and nobody is complying but it still doesn't make it legal.
Post by: birddogdad on April 24, 2020, 03:53:12 PM
Post by: Mulie87 on April 27, 2020, 09:11:04 AM
Post by: MerriamMagician on April 27, 2020, 09:40:03 AM
Inslee and wdfw speaking today at 1430hrs. They are laying out plan to open recreation next week. This ought to be good.
It's almost like waiting for the draw results, hoping for the best, but dreading the worst!
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Post by: klickman on April 27, 2020, 02:57:34 PM
Yep, toms only. It’s officially open next Tuesday. I’ll be chasing the birds next weekend. Finally. It’s gonna be a bit tougher since to peak of breeding is over. Ambush tactics.
the turkey woods close to Seattle will be crowed. :yike: :yike:
Post by: Ghost Hunter on April 27, 2020, 03:11:12 PM
Post by: avidnwoutdoorsman on April 27, 2020, 03:17:04 PM
The reopening will occur on Tuesday May 5, for local day-use only recreation. It applies to all state-managed parks, wildlife areas, recreation land, and boat launches. However, it may take several days for all gates to be unlocked and sites to be serviced at remote areas due to limited staff capacity.
It includes most recreational fishing and hunting (per 2019-2020 license requirements and regulations – check your pamphlet):
All freshwater fisheries open, except Columbia River salmon will open as soon as we can get monitoring staff returned to regular field work, which is required under the federal Endangered Species Act as well as obtaining concurrency with Oregon – check our website.
Puget Sound (Marine Areas 5-13) open, except salmon, halibut, shrimp and intertidal shellfish will open as soon as we can get monitoring staff returned to regular field work, which is required under the federal Endangered Species Act and other agreements – check our website.
Coastal saltwater (Marine Areas 1-4) fishing and shellfish harvesting remains closed, after consultation with local health departments.
Local hunting for turkey and spring bear will reopen. Due to breeding behaviors and to protect newly hatched poults, the spring turkey season will close on May 31 and has not been extended. However, all spring bear seasons will be extended until June 30.
WDFW is asking hunters and anglers to enjoy these outdoor activities only if they can do so locally, while also practicing physical distancing.
The Department will not be hosting any formal opening day events for lowland lakes this year. WDFW hatchery staff have continued to stock lakes throughout the closure. Anglers are asked to practice appropriate physical distancing at a given location, and avoid crowding on banks or at boat ramps.
To help discourage travel, the department is temporarily suspending the sale of non-resident fishing licenses but will honor licenses already purchased.
Refund Policies will be flexible if no opportunity to fish or hunt occurred. WDFW will also be looking at season extensions and bag limits.
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Check what’s open. While many state-managed land destinations are open for day-use, other local and federal land may still be closed.
Opt for day trips close to home. Please buy gear and supplies from stores within your own community and enjoy the outdoors with immediate household members only.
Travel prepared. Visitors may find reduced or limited restroom services as staff begin the process to reopen facilities at wildlife areas and water access sites. Bring your own soap, water, hand sanitizer, and toilet paper with you as well as a mask or bandana to cover your face.
Avoid large crowds. Be prepared to go somewhere else or come back another time if your destination looks crowded.
Please pack out what you pack in. Take any garbage with you, including disposable gloves and masks.
The Department is encouraging local county health department to stay in contact with WDFW regional management regarding any concerns; and notes that the Department may also act to close areas during localized future outbreaks to discourage travel or congestion-related spread of the virus.
-Senator Lynda Wilson
Post by: Fatherof5 on April 27, 2020, 03:17:26 PM
Post by: Hilltop123 on April 27, 2020, 03:18:24 PM
With a full tank of diesel, and enough coffee I can make a killer "day trip". There's still 24 hrs in a day right?? :chuckle:That's the American spirit!!!!
Post by: Ghost Hunter on April 27, 2020, 03:24:34 PM
With a full tank of diesel, and enough coffee I can make a killer "day trip". There's still 24 hrs in a day right?? :chuckle:That's the American spirit!!!!
:tup:
Post by: ThurstonCokid on April 27, 2020, 03:34:08 PM
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Post by: Stein on April 27, 2020, 03:38:07 PM
Why wait till the 5th? What’s wrong with right now..
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Something about a light switch, you can turn it off quickly but it takes time to turn it back on. My light switches work very differently, flip on, flip off, so I can't offer any more information on that.
I think it was something about needing time to get gates open, restrooms up, general maintenance at the many sites. There is going to be a flood of people and I think they want all of the places somewhat ready. City, county, there are plenty of places that will be impacted other than WDFW sites.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on April 27, 2020, 03:38:43 PM
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Post by: salish on April 27, 2020, 05:01:49 PM
Post by: ThurstonCokid on April 27, 2020, 05:51:37 PM
My hunting area is in the Chief Joseph unit, and I'm in Puget Sound. Far too long a drive for a day trip. If I was to park very judiciously and backpack in to one of my places with a tent and bag (to ensure social distancing) what do you think my chances would be of WDFW enforcement issuing me a big fine?Less than 1% chance
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Post by: cbond3318 on April 27, 2020, 06:17:39 PM
My hunting area is in the Chief Joseph unit, and I'm in Puget Sound. Far too long a drive for a day trip. If I was to park very judiciously and backpack in to one of my places with a tent and bag (to ensure social distancing) what do you think my chances would be of WDFW enforcement issuing me a big fine?Less than 1% chance
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It’s actually 3-4% but with so many unknowns that number is likely below .01%
Post by: kevinlisa06 on April 27, 2020, 08:32:54 PM
Yep, toms only. It’s officially open next Tuesday. I’ll be chasing the birds next weekend. Finally. It’s gonna be a bit tougher since to peak of breeding is over. Ambush tactics.This is when I start my season now, for the last few years. On normal years less hunters and lots of Toms ready to play.
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Post by: salish on April 28, 2020, 10:26:29 AM
My hunting area is in the Chief Joseph unit, and I'm in Puget Sound. Far too long a drive for a day trip. If I was to park very judiciously and backpack in to one of my places with a tent and bag (to ensure social distancing) what do you think my chances would be of WDFW enforcement issuing me a big fine?Less than 1% chance
Thanks Thurston & CBOND, I have some decisions to make. Appreciate you input.
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It’s actually 3-4% but with so many unknowns that number is likely below .01%
Post by: ctwiggs1 on April 28, 2020, 10:28:48 AM
My hunting area is in the Chief Joseph unit, and I'm in Puget Sound. Far too long a drive for a day trip. If I was to park very judiciously and backpack in to one of my places with a tent and bag (to ensure social distancing) what do you think my chances would be of WDFW enforcement issuing me a big fine?Less than 1% chance
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It’s actually 3-4% but with so many unknowns that number is likely below .01%
You'll need to review the data to form your models. From there, you can make decisions that are always based off worst-case scenarios.
Post by: ridgefire on April 28, 2020, 11:19:29 AM
Post by: Henrydog on April 28, 2020, 11:44:22 AM
No turkeys around Monroe so I will be heading east. Teanaway or Deer Park, here i come. Hopefully they won't be patrolling the woods because i will be spending the night as well.
With Fuel prices now you could make Deer Park and back a day trip. :chuckle:
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Post by: hunterednate on April 28, 2020, 04:34:57 PM
Yep, toms only. It’s officially open next Tuesday. I’ll be chasing the birds next weekend. Finally. It’s gonna be a bit tougher since to peak of breeding is over. Ambush tactics.This is when I start my season now, for the last few years. On normal years less hunters and lots of Toms ready to play.
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I'm with you. I've had my first trip scheduled for May 8th since January. Will be interesting to see how this delayed opener affects hunter numbers. Peak breeding is over, but in my experience, the peak time to call in a lone gobbler is just beginning....
Post by: SHED HEAD on April 28, 2020, 07:38:07 PM
My RV property borders one of the 3 access spots.
Post by: Shooter4 on April 28, 2020, 08:22:29 PM
Deer Park is more than a day trip for you buddy!!! Hopefully you have private land access, not more than 200 acres of public land within 20 miles from Deer Park.no kidding
My RV property borders one of the 3 access spots.
Post by: The Gobble-stopper on April 29, 2020, 09:01:11 AM
Yep, toms only. It’s officially open next Tuesday. I’ll be chasing the birds next weekend. Finally. It’s gonna be a bit tougher since to peak of breeding is over. Ambush tactics.Correction, also turkeys with visible beards!
Post by: HAGEMANIAC on April 29, 2020, 11:00:23 AM
Yep, toms only. It’s officially open next Tuesday. I’ll be chasing the birds next weekend. Finally. It’s gonna be a bit tougher since to peak of breeding is over. Ambush tactics.Correction, also turkeys with visible beards!
:yeah: includes jakes and bearded hens!
Post by: Russ McDonald on April 29, 2020, 06:56:13 PM
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Post by: Turkeyman on April 29, 2020, 07:33:19 PM
Post by: Russ McDonald on April 30, 2020, 04:00:04 AM
I’m sure they will jump all over the fall bag limit increase. They don’t give a *censored* about our turkey population. Trap and transfer backs to much sense.They need to have a turkey plan for that which expired 10 years ago. We had wdfw write a SOP for trap and relocate but that got left on a desk somewhere ready to sign 3 years ago. They small game person left and turn over in that position has been bad. So back to square one.
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Post by: baldopepper on April 30, 2020, 06:03:21 AM
Post by: packmule on April 30, 2020, 06:35:45 AM
Bigger limit in the fall won't have much effect. Even with the higher limits last season there were very few hunters in our area. Frankly, it's not really a hunt it's just a drive around and see which 1or 2 or 3 you want to shoot and not that many seem to want to spend $15 per tag to do it. There were several winter flocks of well over 250 birds in the area and they really could use some thinning down. Just seems that tag price keeps guys away and not that many interested in taking a hen
Are landowners in these areas open to providing access?
Post by: Russ McDonald on April 30, 2020, 07:04:20 AM
That what we are trying to work on. Also the fall is 2 either sex and 2 hens. Fall is a good time to get first time hunters out. That is what I use the fall for. Granted it isn't the first part of spring hunting but you get out of it what you put into it. Other than the week and a half after the 5th late May turns into almost a fall hunting situation too. Not saying that this year is going to be like that. I think that with birds not being pressured that this is going to be a little different.Bigger limit in the fall won't have much effect. Even with the higher limits last season there were very few hunters in our area. Frankly, it's not really a hunt it's just a drive around and see which 1or 2 or 3 you want to shoot and not that many seem to want to spend $15 per tag to do it. There were several winter flocks of well over 250 birds in the area and they really could use some thinning down. Just seems that tag price keeps guys away and not that many interested in taking a hen
Are landowners in these areas open to providing access?
Post by: baldopepper on April 30, 2020, 07:26:53 AM
That what we are trying to work on. Also the fall is 2 either sex and 2 hens. Fall is a good time to get first time hunters out. That is what I use the fall for. Granted it isn't the first part of spring hunting but you get out of it what you put into it. Other than the week and a half after the 5th late May turns into almost a fall hunting situation too. Not saying that this year is going to be like that. I think that with birds not being pressured that this is going to be a little different.Bigger limit in the fall won't have much effect. Even with the higher limits last season there were very few hunters in our area. Frankly, it's not really a hunt it's just a drive around and see which 1or 2 or 3 you want to shoot and not that many seem to want to spend $15 per tag to do it. There were several winter flocks of well over 250 birds in the area and they really could use some thinning down. Just seems that tag price keeps guys away and not that many interested in taking a hen
Are landowners in these areas open to providing access?
After the deer hunts are over, landowners are much more open to allowing turkey hunting with many openly encouraging hunters to come chase them. I honestly didn't see anyone hunting last December.Bigger limit in the fall won't have much effect. Even with the higher limits last season there were very few hunters in our area. Frankly, it's not really a hunt it's just a drive around and see which 1or 2 or 3 you want to shoot and not that many seem to want to spend $15 per tag to do it. There were several winter flocks of well over 250 birds in the area and they really could use some thinning down. Just seems that tag price keeps guys away and not that many interested in taking a hen
Are landowners in these areas open to providing access?
Post by: TheStovePipeKid on April 30, 2020, 08:59:38 AM
Post by: JeffRaines on April 30, 2020, 09:48:17 AM
That what we are trying to work on. Also the fall is 2 either sex and 2 hens. Fall is a good time to get first time hunters out. That is what I use the fall for. Granted it isn't the first part of spring hunting but you get out of it what you put into it. Other than the week and a half after the 5th late May turns into almost a fall hunting situation too. Not saying that this year is going to be like that. I think that with birds not being pressured that this is going to be a little different.Bigger limit in the fall won't have much effect. Even with the higher limits last season there were very few hunters in our area. Frankly, it's not really a hunt it's just a drive around and see which 1or 2 or 3 you want to shoot and not that many seem to want to spend $15 per tag to do it. There were several winter flocks of well over 250 birds in the area and they really could use some thinning down. Just seems that tag price keeps guys away and not that many interested in taking a hen
Are landowners in these areas open to providing access?
Just an idea - maybe leave the limits alone and lift the weapon restriction like some states do for the fall season?
I don't know how others feel, but with the risk of your rig getting broken into I'm not too keen on leaving weapons unattended in my truck(or in camp). I'm not going to lug a shotgun with me, either.
A lot of people spend more than $15 bucks on "secondary" tags(lion, bear) for a "what if i see one" scenario. I think doing this for the fall season only you'd see an uptick in tag sales and also harvests.
You could probably halve the limit and still see a ton of participation and maybe doing that would prevent any chance of an over harvest.
Post by: 253shotgunner on April 30, 2020, 09:48:30 AM
I'd shoot 10 every fall if they sold a group of tags together at a more reasonable price. Heck even three or four $5 tags like Idaho. Took two last fall and called it good because of cost. I hunt nuisance birds exclusively in the fall.:yeah:
Last fall I saw over 70 turkeys in two days. I only harvested two because of the cost of tags. If they lower the price, I will buy more. It's simple economics and a win-win situation for all involved.
Post by: avidnwoutdoorsman on April 30, 2020, 09:56:26 AM
I understand this liberalization came to help with Nuisance birds but it really goes to show WDFW's lack of care for wild turkey in WA.
Post by: 253shotgunner on April 30, 2020, 10:06:22 AM
Great idea! I would totally support a $5 private landowner tag. That way the turkeys on public land wouldn't be hit as hard and the nuisance birds would be targeted.
Post by: baldopepper on April 30, 2020, 10:25:07 AM
Post by: Russ McDonald on April 30, 2020, 11:40:35 AM
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Post by: MerriamMagician on April 30, 2020, 12:18:06 PM
I’m sure they will jump all over the fall bag limit increase. They don’t give a *censored* about our turkey population. Trap and transfer backs to much sense.
Increased fall bag limits? It's already a high bag limit, doesn't need to be increased even more. :bdid:
Shooting lots of hens is the quickest way to wipe out turkey populations. If there are areas where turkeys are causing damage I agree with the comments on landowner tags. However there should be an agreement of some sort that the landowner tags have to be distributed to hunters who actually want them and the landowner allows permission. Too bad our game department no longer cares about turkeys. Like turkeyman said, if we still had trap and transfer programs in place there is a ton of good turkey habitat in central WA where turkeys can be relocated to either to establish new flocks or bolster existing flocks.
Post by: Pegasus on April 30, 2020, 12:52:40 PM
I’m sure they will jump all over the fall bag limit increase. They don’t give a *censored* about our turkey population. Trap and transfer backs to much sense.
Increased fall bag limits? It's already a high bag limit, doesn't need to be increased even more. :bdid:
Shooting lots of hens is the quickest way to wipe out turkey populations. If there are areas where turkeys are causing damage I agree with the comments on landowner tags. However there should be an agreement of some sort that the landowner tags have to be distributed to hunters who actually want them and the landowner allows permission. Too bad our game department no longer cares about turkeys. Like turkeyman said, if we still had trap and transfer programs in place there is a ton of good turkey habitat in central WA where turkeys can be relocated to either to establish new flocks or bolster existing flocks.
If those turkeys get into a dense population they risk wiping out the whole flock through disease transmission. A lot of areas in NE WA are over-populated and are at risk of infection unless we lock them down, make them wear masks and limit travel to essentials only.
Post by: Turkeyman on April 30, 2020, 06:19:02 PM
Post by: TheStovePipeKid on April 30, 2020, 06:29:27 PM
Keep killing all those hens in the fall. Then have a couple bad winters and 5 to 10 years from now everyone will bitch about what happened to the turkey numbers. The east side doesn’t have the birds it had 10 to 15 years ago. We are heading in the wrong direction with turkey management. Really a sad deal.He he, you said turkey management like it was a real thing. You might as well talk about Sasquatch management, WDFW does a better job of that.
Post by: avidnwoutdoorsman on May 02, 2020, 07:15:15 AM
The land owner can also request a kill permits. This is the main practice of the state. Land owner will just kill the birds only because they won't let people hunt on their land. Gun restriction wouldn't be a good idea. There has been people that have been shot with a shotgun. Imagine what would happen if someone shot from 60 plus yards with a rifle. I think there would be more incidents.
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The process for requesting and obtaining a kill permit is cumbersome for a landowner. Doable, but cumbersome. I know a landowner that got 15 and gave them to my brother, a friend, and I. You can read through this forum. Lots of people don't have much issue getting land owner permission. I would cut the bag limit back in the fall to what it was 3 years ago (if not more) and start issuing private land tags.
Again, it comes down to WDFW wanting revenue. So why wouldn't you rather find a way to convert "kill tags" to revenue through a landowner tag. I know, some don't want others hunting on their land. We will always battle this all the way up to nuisance big game. Give them their kill tags. Other states have private land only program, their is no reason we couldn't as well. Idaho and Colorado to name two western states.
I strictly hunt "nuisance" birds in the fall. Fall hunting turkeys is the "traditional" way to hunt turkeys. It does, can, and will have the biggest impact on populations though if hens are targeted. But our spring practices at the moment aren't helping either. Thank god they have kept central and north central wa to permit hunting in the fall. And again those permits are meant to be used on nuisance birds.
I do support trap and transport. Yes disease is an issue but there are plenty of places without birds that could take birds. AND if they do this they need to keep the species where they have them. Heard rumors about people trying to throw RIO's on the Westside. I will never support this, EVER. Opportunity should not out way the fun opportunity of diversity we have in this state of species. The Easterns are doing better than people think, they just need to do a better job in their transplanting next go around. For Example, close the unit to hunting for 3-5 years after a transplant. I know of a couple units were easterns were dropped and the next year they were all killed at the drop zone. Gotta give them time to acclimate a spread out. Do a permit draw for the unit for the next 3-5 years (yes more money for WDFW). Then open it up. Need help on how to successfully do trap and transplant. I'll hook you up with some really smart dudes from Utah. One that has touched over 3,000 birds in his 25 years making turkey hunting real in Utah. Sometimes the trap and transplant is more of a stocking of turkeys, aka you plant over populated birds in an area that gets decent hunting pressure and basically subsidize what's being harvested, to making brand new WILD populations in new areas.
BUT to do all this we need a state wildlife management program that actually gives a care first.
Want to talk about fun ways or new opportunities for turkey hunting in our state. Open it to hunting with a dog in the fall. Would be all for that!
Post by: baldopepper on May 02, 2020, 08:11:54 AM
Post by: avidnwoutdoorsman on May 02, 2020, 08:48:13 AM
Just curious, what would be the advantage of hunting turkeys with a dog? I can see where a good dog is always a nice companion in the field, but seems they could be far more of a hindrance than a help on turkeys. I also don't think you will ever see any more trap and release in this state. It seems to me WDFW sees them more as a nuisance than anything else. I've been hunting and generally just watching turkeys in my general area for going on 26 years. Never have I seen as many birds as this year. 3 straight years of good Winters and high poult survival have resulted in huge winter flocks. I'm not big on shooting hens either and no turkey expert, but can't think that these winter flocks of 200+ birds is a healthy situation (and there were numerous flocks that size in the area this winter). If and when we get a hard winter the birds will be decimated as so many vie for the limited feed opportunities. I can only speak for my general area in 121 not the state in general.
I can't say there is much of an advantage....well that's not true there are some. Its really fun and provides another opportunity to work your dog say before upland and duck season. I don't know anyone that can run faster than a dog. And I don't know anyone that can smell better than a dog. One of the best ways (besides patterning a flock/run and gun) to hunt in the fall is to find a flock. Bust the flock up. Then call the birds back. The trick is getting them to really, really scatter in all different directions when doing this method. As a human standing 6' tall and running with gear on at maybe 10mph it doesn't always go so well. You release your dog however and they stand a much better chance of getting the flock to scatter without any coordination. You casually stroll up to where they were. Get your dog back to you. Sit down and start calling. I'll bring a pop up blind for my dog or even lay my jacket over them for cover. If all goes according to plan the birds will flock back up in front of you and you shoot one. Additionally the dog may lead you to the turkeys with their nose so you can implore the above method. But they are usually pretty easy to find in the fall in their big flocks. Last, like you said, I just love hunting with my dog for companionship.
I have property in 121 so I share your sentiment. I have birds a decent amount of turkeys on my property, my friends over the hill have one of those 100-200 bird flocks, and so do two of their neighbors. Talking close 400+ birds in a 2 mile radius in the winter. These are the areas that could definitely see and take the pressure of a fall hunt. Also be good for trap and transplant but yes, I don't see it happening again.