Post by: Machias on April 06, 2020, 11:46:20 AM
Teresa Moore
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Please don’t criticize as this is his right of passage.
We’re low on meat and my 14-year-old grandson goes for a walk and comes back with dinner. First time/ first kill. I didn’t think he could really do it but he was taught to process the bird today- which he did!
look at dinner!
I’m so proud and guess what we’re having for dinner?!?!
Post by: Onewhohikes on April 06, 2020, 11:48:17 AM
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Post by: KFhunter on April 06, 2020, 11:53:08 AM
Post by: Machias on April 06, 2020, 11:53:50 AM
Teresa Moore Fred Moyer he didn’t know it wasn’t hunting season or anything about hunting season. He just knew that we’ve only a couple days meat left and there’s a turkey. He has been school about licenses now- thank you.
Post by: Machias on April 06, 2020, 11:54:29 AM
So you turned in the young lad?
Absolutely
Post by: Bango skank on April 06, 2020, 11:55:32 AM
Post by: Bango skank on April 06, 2020, 11:57:07 AM
Yeah, well maybe that should have been looked into. Everybody knows hunting seasons exist. Hell, i knew such a thing existed since i was a kid, exposed to the timeless argument of wabbit season vs duck season.
Post by: h20hunter on April 06, 2020, 11:57:41 AM
Post by: cbond3318 on April 06, 2020, 11:58:24 AM
Wa or ID?
Post by: TriggerMike on April 06, 2020, 12:00:10 PM
Post by: KFhunter on April 06, 2020, 12:01:25 PM
How do you live in the mountains and not know that hunting seasons exist......
They were dumb enough to put in on facebook...
Post by: Bango skank on April 06, 2020, 12:01:56 PM
How do you live in the mountains and not know that hunting seasons exist......
If theyre stupid enough to put that on facebook, all bets are off
Post by: Machias on April 06, 2020, 12:03:09 PM
Post by: Buckmark on April 06, 2020, 12:03:14 PM
Tells me they likely have no issues with anyone making meat regardless of season.Makes you wonder were the supply of meat they are running low on came from :dunno:
Post by: vandeman17 on April 06, 2020, 12:03:19 PM
How do you live in the mountains and not know that hunting seasons exist......
They were dumb enough to put in on facebook...
that was my thought. Off grid, barely enough meat to left for a few days yet on facebook which means internet connection and some type of internet or cell phone data plan... :DOH:
Post by: bobcat on April 06, 2020, 12:03:52 PM
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Post by: Henrydog on April 06, 2020, 12:05:53 PM
Post by: jrebel on April 06, 2020, 12:08:27 PM
I posted on the FB Stevens County Predators page pics of cougars, bears, wolfs etc. Within an hour there were multiple people condoning shooting predators out of season...poaching. I deleted my post just to have others debate me with why it is OK. Funny how people justify breaking the law is OK. :bash: :bash:
Post by: ThurstonCokid on April 06, 2020, 12:08:35 PM
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Post by: ballpark on April 06, 2020, 12:14:56 PM
From a Facebook page:
Teresa Moore
to
Off Grid Living For Beginners
5 mins ·
Please don’t criticize as this is his right of passage.
We’re low on meat and my 14-year-old grandson goes for a walk and comes back with dinner. First time/ first kill. I didn’t think he could really do it but he was taught to process the bird today- which he did!
look at dinner!
I’m so proud and guess what we’re having for dinner?!?!
If you are on the internet and facebook are you really "off the grid". I wonder if she'll post how proud she is when he get's a visit from F&G.
Post by: JeffRaines on April 06, 2020, 12:18:52 PM
I think people low on meat aren’t posting things to Facebook. I kinda feel bad and it’s weird timing with it almost bring season but poaching bottom line
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Low on meat and have to poach “to survive” but hey my phone/internet is still on and I got time to post to Facebook :dunno:
Post by: hunter399 on April 06, 2020, 12:22:02 PM
Pretty stupid to put on FB ,poaching is poaching.
Post by: Bango skank on April 06, 2020, 12:24:04 PM
Tells me they likely have no issues with anyone making meat regardless of season.Makes you wonder were the supply of meat they are running low on came from :dunno:
They were just runnin low on moose meat
Post by: hunter399 on April 06, 2020, 12:28:23 PM
No it's that unborn baby Doe in the freezer. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:Tells me they likely have no issues with anyone making meat regardless of season.Makes you wonder were the supply of meat they are running low on came from :dunno:
They were just runnin low on moose meat
Post by: Pegasus on April 06, 2020, 12:34:36 PM
Tells me they likely have no issues with anyone making meat regardless of season.Makes you wonder were the supply of meat they are running low on came from :dunno:
They were just runnin low on moose meat
Nah, probably woodland caribou sage grouse and spotted owls.
Post by: Bango skank on April 06, 2020, 12:36:15 PM
Tells me they likely have no issues with anyone making meat regardless of season.Makes you wonder were the supply of meat they are running low on came from :dunno:
They were just runnin low on moose meat
Nah, probably woodland caribou sage grouse and spotted owls.
The way things are goin moose could be right there in that category before i ever get a tag
Post by: MADMAX on April 06, 2020, 12:47:12 PM
Post by: Pegasus on April 06, 2020, 12:48:59 PM
Post by: Rainier10 on April 06, 2020, 12:53:29 PM
Post by: Bango skank on April 06, 2020, 12:53:51 PM
So you turned in the young lad?
If you dont turn them in, it will keep happening. And theyre not going to limit themselves to just turkeys.
Post by: b0bbyg on April 06, 2020, 12:54:59 PM
I think people low on meat aren’t posting things to Facebook. I kinda feel bad and it’s weird timing with it almost bring season but poaching bottom line
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Low on meat and have to poach “to survive” but hey my phone/internet is still on and I got time to post to Facebook :dunno:
Some folks want to be off grid and be left alone, They should probably learn to be off social media as well if that is the case.
Hope this experience helps the young man pay more attention to rules and laws in the future, and not letting mom post your "success" pics :chuckle:
Post by: Machias on April 06, 2020, 01:00:28 PM
I think people low on meat aren’t posting things to Facebook. I kinda feel bad and it’s weird timing with it almost bring season but poaching bottom line
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Low on meat and have to poach “to survive” but hey my phone/internet is still on and I got time to post to Facebook :dunno:
Some folks want to be off grid and be left alone, They should probably learn to be off social media as well if that is the case.
Hope this experience helps the young man pay more attention to rules and laws in the future, and not letting mom post your "success" pics :chuckle:
That's partly why I live off the grid, but I still follow game laws and seasons. I put this all on his Parents and Grandparents, not so much on the 14 year old.
Post by: Bango skank on April 06, 2020, 01:03:30 PM
Post by: 87Ford on April 06, 2020, 01:05:54 PM
Wow! Good job turning them in. My guess is there is a lot more infractions going on there.
+1
Post by: Mudman on April 06, 2020, 01:15:36 PM
Post by: Henrydog on April 06, 2020, 01:18:55 PM
It was done that way for thousands of years. No law or season. No meat? Hunt and eat. But I doubt they truly were hungry enough to justify action. Still plenty resources out there to not starve or poach...
+1 and I would be willing to bet a dollar we are already paying for them to eat via EBT
Post by: JimmyHoffa on April 06, 2020, 01:23:09 PM
:yeah: Social media strikes again!How do you live in the mountains and not know that hunting seasons exist......
They were dumb enough to put in on facebook...
Post by: Bango skank on April 06, 2020, 01:24:38 PM
It was done that way for thousands of years. No law or season. No meat? Hunt and eat. But I doubt they truly were hungry enough to justify action. Still plenty resources out there to not starve or poach...
+1 and I would be willing to bet a dollar we are already paying for them to eat via EBT
Why waste food stamps on something like meat, which is walking around free for the takin, amirite?
Anybody care to take a wild guess what the most common item purchased with food stamps is? Ill give you a hint, it does not provide any bit of actual nutrition in any way. In fact its a major cause of medical conditions which tax payers are also on the hook for.
Post by: Bob33 on April 06, 2020, 01:27:28 PM
A poor mountaineer, barely kept his family fed,
And then one day he was shootin' at some food,
And up through the ground come a bubblin' crude.
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 06, 2020, 01:28:31 PM
It was done that way for thousands of years. No law or season. No meat? Hunt and eat. But I doubt they truly were hungry enough to justify action. Still plenty resources out there to not starve or poach...
Yes, until we wiped out most of the wild game in the mid-to-late 1800s and hunters finally figured out we needed to regulate harvest. I'm sure there are people suffering right now who may be tempted by immediate access to wild game. I'm unsure this is a large segment of our population and for almost everyone, it's cheaper to buy food at the store, once you get done with all of the peripheral expenses. For those who live in the woods and have game in their backyard, why would you post this stuff on social media? The stupid is strong in this one.
Post by: Machias on April 06, 2020, 01:28:53 PM
Post by: RugerRay on April 06, 2020, 01:29:20 PM
It was done that way for thousands of years. No law or season. No meat? Hunt and eat. But I doubt they truly were hungry enough to justify action. Still plenty resources out there to not starve or poach...
+1 and I would be willing to bet a dollar we are already paying for them to eat via EBT
Why waste food stamps on something like meat, which is walking around free for the takin, amirite?
Anybody care to take a wild guess what the most common item purchased with food stamps is? Ill give you a hint, it does not provide any bit of actual nutrition in any way. In fact its a major cause of medical conditions which tax payers are also on the hook for.
My guess would be soda.
Post by: Bango skank on April 06, 2020, 01:34:22 PM
It was done that way for thousands of years. No law or season. No meat? Hunt and eat. But I doubt they truly were hungry enough to justify action. Still plenty resources out there to not starve or poach...
+1 and I would be willing to bet a dollar we are already paying for them to eat via EBT
Why waste food stamps on something like meat, which is walking around free for the takin, amirite?
Anybody care to take a wild guess what the most common item purchased with food stamps is? Ill give you a hint, it does not provide any bit of actual nutrition in any way. In fact its a major cause of medical conditions which tax payers are also on the hook for.
My guess would be soda.
Winner winner chicken dinner!
Thats right tax payers. Most of those poor starving folks you support are spending your tax dollars on soda. So they can get diabetes and not pay their healthcare costs, passing those costs onto us in the form of outrageous medical bills. Isnt it great?
But hey, dey gotta poach, cause dey starvin!!! How dey supposed ta buy meat when smokes is $9 a pack???
Post by: bobcat on April 06, 2020, 01:53:42 PM
cuzin Billy said it’s ok
:chuckle:
Post by: Ridgeratt on April 06, 2020, 01:57:05 PM
While I am trying to figure out what I am doing wrong? :bash: :bash:
Post by: HillHound on April 06, 2020, 01:57:45 PM
Post by: Bango skank on April 06, 2020, 02:06:32 PM
I have been behind people who have cleaned out the meat department on the first of the month. Nothing but the front of the plane cuts. Then paid with the government credit card.
While I am trying to figure out what I am doing wrong? :bash: :bash:
A friend of mine would rage about the food stamp thing. When he was about 20 he took a job at papa murphys to make ends meet so he wouldnt have to go on government asdistance like food stamps. He said like clockwork, when the food stamps dividend payed, people would come in and buy a hundred bucks worth of papa murphys. Being uncooked, it met the ebt requirements. If you were actually starving to the point you needed government assistance to feed yourself and your family, is that something you would do? Its a system full of abuse and corruption. In modern times with tax payer funded programs, food banks etc, there is zero excuse for poaching. Especially not when you can afford internet / smartphones.
Post by: Pegasus on April 06, 2020, 02:42:52 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 06, 2020, 03:08:48 PM
I bet this kid is driving, too. What license, what laws, what age requirement? Too bad Burt died cuz he could have made Deliverance II surrounding this family. Wonder if the kid plays the banjo?
Nah, these are Deliverance wannabes. Anyone who says they're off the grid and is posting on facebook doesn't really understand that they're not off the grid. People who are off the grid and are harvesting their own food aren't talking about it.
Post by: CaNINE on April 06, 2020, 03:15:49 PM
Post by: b0bbyg on April 06, 2020, 03:24:21 PM
Pretty much I think we have decided that at least 3 generations of people are all up to no good, abusing state programs and have committed a list of undocumented crimes. Did I miss anything before the foreman asks for our votes?
Just saying we could be just a little overboard, or possibly I missed something?? I am only aware of 2 facts, 1.Kid poached and it was reported, 2.Mom is the reason for him getting reported because of social media.
Granted my 2 facts are just what I read online but I feel they are pretty accurate.
Post by: CoryTDF on April 06, 2020, 03:28:52 PM
Wow, I am impressed by how much we know about them through 1 FaceBook post :chuckle:
Pretty much I think we have decided that at least 3 generations of people are all up to no good, abusing state programs and have committed a list of undocumented crimes. Did I miss anything before the foreman asks for our votes?
Just saying we could be just a little overboard, or possibly I missed something?? I am only aware of 2 facts, 1.Kid poached and it was reported, 2.Mom is the reason for him getting reported because of social media.
Granted my 2 facts are just what I read online but I feel they are pretty accurate.
:yeah:
The HW judgment train is all powerful and rarely stops to pick up facts. Just like CNN assumptions and personal opinion are just as good as facts and truth right?
Post by: Bango skank on April 06, 2020, 03:38:00 PM
Wow, I am impressed by how much we know about them through 1 FaceBook post :chuckle:
Pretty much I think we have decided that at least 3 generations of people are all up to no good, abusing state programs and have committed a list of undocumented crimes. Did I miss anything before the foreman asks for our votes?
Just saying we could be just a little overboard, or possibly I missed something?? I am only aware of 2 facts, 1.Kid poached and it was reported, 2.Mom is the reason for him getting reported because of social media.
Granted my 2 facts are just what I read online but I feel they are pretty accurate.
Where theres smoke there is usually fire.
Post by: b0bbyg on April 06, 2020, 03:50:54 PM
Wow, I am impressed by how much we know about them through 1 FaceBook post :chuckle:
Pretty much I think we have decided that at least 3 generations of people are all up to no good, abusing state programs and have committed a list of undocumented crimes. Did I miss anything before the foreman asks for our votes?
Just saying we could be just a little overboard, or possibly I missed something?? I am only aware of 2 facts, 1.Kid poached and it was reported, 2.Mom is the reason for him getting reported because of social media.
Granted my 2 facts are just what I read online but I feel they are pretty accurate.
:yeah:
The HW judgment train is all powerful and rarely stops to pick up facts. Just like CNN assumptions and personal opinion are just as good as facts and truth right?
You can tell work was slow today for me :) usually I would not have time to ask such silly questions.
Post by: grundy53 on April 06, 2020, 03:57:00 PM
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Post by: Pegasus on April 06, 2020, 04:40:38 PM
This should be a good learning experience for the kid.
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Only if they lock up the parents...
Post by: buglebrush on April 06, 2020, 05:05:43 PM
Post by: Bango skank on April 06, 2020, 05:28:34 PM
I'm totally against poaching. Never have, Never will. That being said, Turkeys around here hardly qualify. Here's hoping they give him a stern warning, and not hang something about his neck for the rest of his life. There's a big difference between a big buck and a nuisance bird. :twocents:
I guarantee you these people arent limiting their poaching to turkeys
Post by: Cougartail on April 06, 2020, 05:37:08 PM
(or need to go to the supermarket!)
Post by: bigtex on April 06, 2020, 05:39:47 PM
Here's hoping they give him a stern warning, and not hang something about his neck for the rest of his life.If you think turkey poaching, or let alone almost any poaching is something that screws with someone's criminal record you're in for a big surprise.
Post by: trophyhunt on April 06, 2020, 05:50:52 PM
I'm totally against poaching. Never have, Never will. That being said, Turkeys around here hardly qualify. Here's hoping they give him a stern warning, and not hang something about his neck for the rest of his life. There's a big difference between a big buck and a nuisance bird. :twocents:agree, I hope points or money isn’t awarded. Haven’t read this thread, not sure I want to. Might disagree with too many people I respect.
Post by: dilleytech on April 06, 2020, 06:10:22 PM
Post by: bigtex on April 06, 2020, 06:11:00 PM
:yeah:I'm totally against poaching. Never have, Never will. That being said, Turkeys around here hardly qualify. Here's hoping they give him a stern warning, and not hang something about his neck for the rest of his life. There's a big difference between a big buck and a nuisance bird. :twocents:I guarantee you these people arent limiting their poaching to turkeys
I hear it all the time, "it's my first time" no it's the first time you've been caught. It's like when a guy gets arrested for DUI but says it's the first time he's ever driven drunk, right...
Post by: Britt-dog on April 06, 2020, 06:22:26 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on April 06, 2020, 06:26:37 PM
you ain’t kidding.Wow, I am impressed by how much we know about them through 1 FaceBook post :chuckle:
Pretty much I think we have decided that at least 3 generations of people are all up to no good, abusing state programs and have committed a list of undocumented crimes. Did I miss anything before the foreman asks for our votes?
Just saying we could be just a little overboard, or possibly I missed something?? I am only aware of 2 facts, 1.Kid poached and it was reported, 2.Mom is the reason for him getting reported because of social media.
Granted my 2 facts are just what I read online but I feel they are pretty accurate.
:yeah:
The HW judgment train is all powerful and rarely stops to pick up facts. Just like CNN assumptions and personal opinion are just as good as facts and truth right?
Post by: Bango skank on April 06, 2020, 07:03:28 PM
There’s going to be a ton of turkey poaching going on between April 15 and May 4th..
I doubt many people will drive across the state to poach turkeys, and nobody i know here hunts them. I dont think it will be significant.
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on April 06, 2020, 08:30:03 PM
It was done that way for thousands of years. No law or season. No meat? Hunt and eat. But I doubt they truly were hungry enough to justify action. Still plenty resources out there to not starve or poach...
+1 and I would be willing to bet a dollar we are already paying for them to eat via EBT
Why waste food stamps on something like meat, which is walking around free for the takin, amirite?
Anybody care to take a wild guess what the most common item purchased with food stamps is? Ill give you a hint, it does not provide any bit of actual nutrition in any way. In fact its a major cause of medical conditions which tax payers are also on the hook for.
I'd guess soft drinks. And I'd guess that is by design to some extent as there is no rule against it. The simple solution would be to make a rule against it.
Post by: syoungs on April 06, 2020, 08:55:56 PM
Have bit of a heart for those that arent as lucky as some of us.
Post by: Machias on April 06, 2020, 09:08:59 PM
No points awarded or reward received, asked for or allowed for turkeys, it's not why I called it in. I don't even hunt or fish in WA anymore. ;)
Like I said I put 99% of the blame on the grand parents, hopefully they get to be embarrassed and harassed a little bit. Not much is going to happen to a 14 year old. Hopefully he'll attend Hunter's Ed and learn some game laws. You think he would have learned on his own? I doubt it.
I received a call this afternoon from a Female Warden. She had figured out where Grandma, the one who posted, lives and was en route to make contact. They appreciated the call and I was more than happy to do it.
Post by: Bango skank on April 06, 2020, 09:12:31 PM
It wouldnt be very fair if they couldnt buy sodas and junk food. That may lead to someone feeling shame when their friends that are lucky enough to not need electonic benefits did purchase those items.
Have bit of a heart for those that arent as lucky as some of us.
The last thing we would want to do is shame somebody. Mtn dew and hot pockets for all!
Post by: WapitiTalk1 on April 06, 2020, 09:14:21 PM
It wouldnt be very fair if they couldnt buy sodas and junk food. That may lead to someone feeling shame when their friends that are lucky enough to not need electonic benefits did purchase those items.
Have bit of a heart for those that arent as lucky as some of us.
The last thing we would want to do is shame somebody. Mtn dew and hot pockets for all!
Ham n’ cheese pockets for me please :chuckle:
Post by: wadu1 on April 06, 2020, 09:14:30 PM
I love this place, cracks me up.Thanks Fred, In my book you did the right thing :tup:. I guess everyone needs something to vent on.
No points awarded or reward received, asked for or allowed for turkeys, it's not why I called it in. I don't even hunt or fish in WA anymore. ;)
Like I said I put 99% of the blame on the grand parents, hopefully they get to be embarrassed and harassed a little bit. Not much is going to happen to a 14 year old. Hopefully he'll attend Hunter's Ed and learn some game laws. You think he would have learned on his own? I doubt it.
I received a call this afternoon from a Female Warden. She had figured out where Grandma, the one who posted, lives and was en route to make contact. They appreciated the call and I was more than happy to do it.
Post by: Big game archer on April 06, 2020, 10:13:35 PM
I love this place, cracks me up.Thanks Fred, In my book you did the right thing :tup:. I guess everyone needs something to vent on.
No points awarded or reward received, asked for or allowed for turkeys, it's not why I called it in. I don't even hunt or fish in WA anymore. ;)
Like I said I put 99% of the blame on the grand parents, hopefully they get to be embarrassed and harassed a little bit. Not much is going to happen to a 14 year old. Hopefully he'll attend Hunter's Ed and learn some game laws. You think he would have learned on his own? I doubt it.
I received a call this afternoon from a Female Warden. She had figured out where Grandma, the one who posted, lives and was en route to make contact. They appreciated the call and I was more than happy to do it.
:yeah: +1
Post by: dilleytech on April 07, 2020, 06:20:53 AM
There’s going to be a ton of turkey poaching going on between April 15 and May 4th..
I doubt many people will drive across the state to poach turkeys, and nobody i know here hunts them. I dont think it will be significant.
Where I live no one travels great distances to hunt turkeys. Sure sounds like most people are going to disagree with WDFW and use there turkey tags anyway. I assure you there will be a LOT of poaching going on.
Post by: Gobble Doc on April 07, 2020, 06:58:32 AM
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Post by: pianoman9701 on April 07, 2020, 07:11:10 AM
It wouldnt be very fair if they couldnt buy sodas and junk food. That may lead to someone feeling shame when their friends that are lucky enough to not need electonic benefits did purchase those items.
Have bit of a heart for those that arent as lucky as some of us.
I have a lot of heart for those in need and personally do my part to help many in need, regularly. However, if you're on the public dole, your free food should be basic, healthy ingredients. Using public money to buy soda and cheetos is shameful. I don't judge someone for needing our help. I judge those who aren't mindful that we do so because they're telling us they're in dire need, not so they can keep up with the Jones' poor standards of nutrition. A little shame could go a long way to reducing squandered public assistance. But, then we might hurt someone's feelings.
Post by: PA BEN on April 07, 2020, 07:12:16 AM
Post by: PA BEN on April 07, 2020, 07:15:34 AM
Totally agree. I was in line in Safeway and the gal in front of me after buying cookies and sports drinks with her State food card got 100.00 backs in cash back.??? So, what's up with that? Then go buy your booze and cigarettes.It wouldnt be very fair if they couldnt buy sodas and junk food. That may lead to someone feeling shame when their friends that are lucky enough to not need electonic benefits did purchase those items.
Have bit of a heart for those that arent as lucky as some of us.
I have a lot of heart for those in need and personally do my part to help many in need, regularly. However, if you're on the public dole, your free food should be basic, healthy ingredients. Using public money to buy soda and cheetos is shameful. I don't judge someone for needing our help. I judge those who aren't mindful that we do so because they're telling us they're in dire need, not so they can keep up with the Jones' poor standards of nutrition. A little shame could go a long way to reducing squandered public assistance. But, then we might hurt someone's feelings.
Post by: kukusya on April 07, 2020, 07:37:07 AM
Post by: Bango skank on April 07, 2020, 08:49:42 AM
Hypocrisy of people drive me mad. People always complain how liberals get their noses in taking our Gun rights by majority of votes. That dictates to us What guns we can have, magazine capacity and etc. And here we go doing same bubblegum complaining how people should live and how they should eat. Rant off.
Its not the same. The liberals dont pay for my guns.
Post by: Pegasus on April 07, 2020, 09:02:23 AM
Hypocrisy of people drive me mad. People always complain how liberals get their noses in taking our Gun rights by majority of votes. That dictates to us What guns we can have, magazine capacity and etc. And here we go doing same bubblegum complaining how people should live and how they should eat. Rant off.
Its not the same. The liberals dont pay for my guns.
:yeah:
Post by: ribka on April 07, 2020, 09:08:52 AM
Hypocrisy of people drive me mad. People always complain how liberals get their noses in taking our Gun rights by majority of votes. That dictates to us What guns we can have, magazine capacity and etc. And here we go doing same bubblegum complaining how people should live and how they should eat. Rant off.
Thanks for taking the time to report this Fred
Big difference. Second amendment is a constitutional right. Buying tax payer funded Cheetos, ding dongs, camels and Mountain Dew are not. Its our tax payer money that provides Food stamps and they were intended to provide healthy foods to people in need. Look at the huge health problems of people on food stamps now..Look at the scooter use in Walmart, target, Costco because people are too obese to even walk. Over weight, diabetes is sky rocketing in children, high blood pressure, heart problems, joint and kidney problems from being overweight, COPD from smoking etc from terrible Diets of food stamp provided carbs, bad fats and sugars. . And tax payers have to cover their health problems too so get hit twice.
It's ironic our tax payer monies are used to poison the people on food stamps. I often see people on food stamps taking money out of food stamp( debit card) and buying cigs, booze and lottery tickets with the cash. Washington State had to pass a law to prohibit food stamp debit cards from being used to gamble in casinos.
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 07, 2020, 09:19:21 AM
Hypocrisy of people drive me mad. People always complain how liberals get their noses in taking our Gun rights by majority of votes. That dictates to us What guns we can have, magazine capacity and etc. And here we go doing same bubblegum complaining how people should live and how they should eat. Rant off.
Guns are a Constitutional right. Having your food paid for by other people is not. Charity should be focused on what is reasonable and necessary for survival. The hypocrisy is all yours. Have a nice day.
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on April 07, 2020, 09:37:05 AM
But seriously why would you go tattle on someone when it doesn’t affect you one bit? Turkeys are rats with wings in eastern Washington. The season should be year round, 3/day. They obviously didn’t waste the meat. Yes, putting it on Facebook is stupid but not worth reporting them. You must’ve never heard of a true hero of the West, Mr Claude Dallas
First post in almost ten years.🤔
Post by: CoryTDF on April 07, 2020, 09:38:04 AM
But seriously why would you go tattle on someone when it doesn’t affect you one bit? Turkeys are rats with wings in eastern Washington. The season should be year round, 3/day. They obviously didn’t waste the meat. Yes, putting it on Facebook is stupid but not worth reporting them. You must’ve never heard of a true hero of the West, Mr Claude Dallas
Hero? I would not call him that. Was pretty questionable case up until he walked up and shot both officers in the head. At that point it was just flat out murder.
Post by: magnanimous_j on April 07, 2020, 09:39:41 AM
That cabin looks like its still somewhat under construction. And I know that campers and trailers drop in value faster than fresh fish, but that trailer looks reasonably nice as well. Mainly though, its the wording of the post.
Please don’t criticize as this is his right of passage.
First off, no one who views a hunt as a right of passage would phrase it like that. If she were a grizzled, 4th generation mountain lady whose ancestor deserted the confederate army and they've been hiding out in those mountains ever since, that kid wouldn't have to do his "right of passage" by himself, wandering into the woods to shoot a random whatever, and he would have likely done it a lot younger than 14. She would know that hunting seasons exist, and she would definitely know not to brag about it on facebook. And if they were "new poor," they would have relocated to the suburbs, not the woods.
Who is she worried about being critical? Not other grizzled mountain folk. She posted it on "Off Grid Living For Beginners," which is a facebook group of tiny house eco-hippies. She's worried that the REI set would disapprove of the hunting in general, which is why she used such weird wording like "right of passage."
My guess. They decided to bug out to their 90% finished cabin to ride out COVID, and now they are cosplaying mountain men. They are "running low on meat" because they don't yet understand how to buy groceries when their aren't 5 grocery stores within a 10 minute drive.
Post by: Skillet on April 07, 2020, 09:40:37 AM
But seriously why would you go tattle on someone when it doesn’t affect you one bit? Turkeys are rats with wings in eastern Washington. The season should be year round, 3/day. They obviously didn’t waste the meat. Yes, putting it on Facebook is stupid but not worth reporting them. You must’ve never heard of a true hero of the West, Mr Claude Dallas
First post in almost ten years.🤔
He was probably 4 years old when he registered, living off-grid with Gramma in Spokane.
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 07, 2020, 09:48:12 AM
I doubt they are poor.
That cabin looks like its still somewhat under construction. And I know that campers and trailers drop in value faster than fresh fish, but that trailer looks reasonably nice as well. Mainly though, its the wording of the post.
Please don’t criticize as this is his right of passage.
First off, no one who views a hunt as a right of passage would phrase it like that. If she were a grizzled, 4th generation mountain lady whose ancestor deserted the confederate army and they've been hiding out in those mountains ever since, that kid wouldn't have to do his "right of passage" by himself, wandering into the woods to shoot a random whatever, and he would have likely done it a lot younger than 14. She would know that hunting seasons exist, and she would definitely know not to brag about it on facebook. And if they were "new poor," they would have relocated to the suburbs, not the woods.
Who is she worried about being critical? Not other grizzled mountain folk. She posted it on "Off Grid Living For Beginners," which is a facebook group of tiny house eco-hippies. She's worried that the REI set would disapprove of the hunting in general, which is why she used such weird wording like "right of passage."
My guess. They decided to bug out to their 90% finished cabin to ride out COVID, and now they are cosplaying mountain men. They are "running low on meat" because they don't yet understand how to buy groceries when their aren't 5 grocery stores within a 10 minute drive.
I must have the Kung Flu because I agree with all of this. Someone please take my temperature. :yike:
Post by: CoryTDF on April 07, 2020, 09:55:39 AM
The thing I think is funny/sickening is that hunters and fisherman are so quick to report a person for a game violation and then get on their soap box and preach to the masses about morality and ethics. Look at what this thread has turned into! So much judgment and assumptions about people that nobody on here knows a thing about. Was the boy wrong? In the eyes of the law yes he was. In the eyes of many others, forum members included, no he was not. I'm not taking a side here.
Killing a game bird out of season or without a licenses is a misdemeanor crime. So too is speeding or blowing a stop sign. Do you call the police when you see this? A law is being broken and if we follow suit with how people have been acting on this thread then we must all be obligated to call it in. Right? Or do we only get fired up when its a game violation? That whole "The law is the law and he broke it!" argument is only for game violations? What happened to your moral/ethical code when that dude blew past you on the freeway? Ya'll see what I'm getting at here?
The thread is a showcase of everything that is wrong with the internet and social media. So much awful judgment without any real facts. For all any of us know, these are great folks that just made a mistake. I hate what HW is turning into these days. It's like an a$$ load of 7th grade girls jumped into the bodies of grown men and got behind a keyboard. It's not only shameful it is embarrassing.
Is poaching wrong? Yes. So lets not try and mix up my words here.
Post by: Skillet on April 07, 2020, 10:01:29 AM
So, instead of running a stop sign, what if you saw someone stealing the stop sign? Do you still feel the same way?
Post by: CoryTDF on April 07, 2020, 10:05:34 AM
I think the main difference is that blowing a stop sign isn't a property crime. The bird was owned by all Washington residents in common. Taking it deprived the rest of the residents the opportunity to do so.
So, instead of running a stop sign, what if you saw someone stealing the stop sign? Do you still feel the same way?
Semantics really. Breaking the law is breaking the law right? If you are obligated to report a person for a game violation you must also report other violations in regards to the law? It's always a cherry picking of what is worthy to report. So, if you have the stance that the kid should get the book thrown at them for breaking a game law you should feel the same for traffic and other violations.
Also, as some members on here have mentioned, not everyone thinks it's a crime and certainly not a theft.
Post by: Igor on April 07, 2020, 10:05:44 AM
Ya'll see what I'm getting at here?
No, not really.
Post by: Skillet on April 07, 2020, 10:11:20 AM
I think the main difference is that blowing a stop sign isn't a property crime. The bird was owned by all Washington residents in common. Taking it deprived the rest of the residents the opportunity to do so.
So, instead of running a stop sign, what if you saw someone stealing the stop sign? Do you still feel the same way?
Semantics really. Breaking the law is breaking the law right? If you are obligated to report a person for a game violation you must also report other violations in regards to the law? It's always a cherry picking of what is worthy to report. So, if you have the stance that the kid should get the book thrown at them for breaking a game law you should feel the same for traffic and other violations.
Also, as some members on here have mentioned, not everyone thinks it's a crime and certainly not a theft.
I don't think my point is semantics at all. It drives right at the point you are making that that all crimes are not equal. Unless you are maintaining that you report no crime, no matter what? I don't think that's your point, so I am asking if you feel that property crime is the same as violating a traffic law.
For the record, I've not taken a stance on this, because I feel like I don't have enough accurate info.
Post by: bobcat on April 07, 2020, 10:12:07 AM
Ya'll see what I'm getting at here?
No, not really.
:yeah:
Post by: CoryTDF on April 07, 2020, 10:12:53 AM
Ya'll see what I'm getting at here?
No, not really.
Do you report every crime you witness? Only game violations? Think about it. The arguments is not whether or not the kid was wrong. The argument I have is the personal attacks and judgment that people are throwing around about people they do not know. They justify this by using their moral/ethical code of upholding game laws but I'm curios if they treat all people that break the law this way?
I got a speeding ticket on 01/01/20. Should we all start calling my family hillbillies and attacking every aspect of my life?
Post by: badnewskruse on April 07, 2020, 10:14:37 AM
Ya'll see what I'm getting at here?
No, not really.
:yeah:
:yeah:
Post by: ribka on April 07, 2020, 10:15:03 AM
Ya'll see what I'm getting at here?
No, not really.
Do you report every crime you witness? Only game violations? Think about it. The arguments is not whether or not the kid was wrong. The argument i have is the personal attacks and judgment that people are throwing around about people they do not know. They justify this by using their moral/ethical code of upholding game laws but i'm curios if they treat all people that break the law this way?
I got a speeding ticket on 01/01/20. Should we all start calling my family hillbillies and attacking every aspect of my life?
Post by: CoryTDF on April 07, 2020, 10:16:30 AM
Ok if I shoot a couple ducks over my limit next time I go out?
Ya'll see what I'm getting at here?
No, not really.
Do you report every crime you witness? Only game violations? Think about it. The arguments is not whether or not the kid was wrong. The argument i have is the personal attacks and judgment that people are throwing around about people they do not know. They justify this by using their moral/ethical code of upholding game laws but i'm curios if they treat all people that break the law this way?
I got a speeding ticket on 01/01/20. Should we all start calling my family hillbillies and attacking every aspect of my life?
No, that is not OK? Also, not the argument.
Post by: Pegasus on April 07, 2020, 10:18:49 AM
So, first off let me say If you feel like a crime has been committed and you want to report it, that is your right to do so and I wont judge on that. I am not condemning Fred for doing what he thought was right. Would I have done the same thing? Can't tell ya until I'm faced with that choice.
The thing I think is funny/sickening is that hunters and fisherman are so quick to report a person for a game violation and then get on their soap box and preach to the masses about morality and ethics. Look at what this thread has turned into! So much judgment and assumptions about people that nobody on here knows a thing about. Was the boy wrong? In the eyes of the law yes he was. In the eyes of many others, forum members included, no he was not. I'm not taking a side here.
Killing a game bird out of season or without a licenses is a misdemeanor crime. So too is speeding or blowing a stop sign. Do you call the police when you see this? A law is being broken and if we follow suit with how people have been acting on this thread then we must all be obligated to call it in. Right? Or do we only get fired up when its a game violation? That whole "The law is the law and he broke it!" argument is only for game violations? What happened to your moral/ethical code when that dude blew past you on the freeway? Ya'll see what I'm getting at here?
The thread is a showcase of everything that is wrong with the internet and social media. So much awful judgment without any real facts. For all any of us know, these are great folks that just made a mistake. I hate what HW is turning into these days. It's like an a$$ load of 7th grade girls jumped into the bodies of grown men and got behind a keyboard. It's not only shameful it is embarrassing.
Is poaching wrong? Yes. So lets not try and mix up my words here.
Sorry but you are comparing apples to oranges when you use traffic violations to an individual using a firearm to illegally kill a game bird out of season without a license. Reporting the poacher was absolutely the correct thing to do and it appears it is actually going to get investigated. I am glad that many here see that as a proper thing to do(report poachers). People that make excuses for criminal behavior are part of the problem and not part of the solution. I remember when hunting turkeys in this state was almost impossible and the annual harvest was less than 100 birds. Since then it has exploded to become a pastime enjoyed by many including many of our youth. They are hunting legally and contributing financially to the sport of turkey hunting. Hopefully there are some fines involved and the adult that allowed the illegal use of that firearm gets a heavy fine and the firearm gets confiscated. Your comments are designed to make poachers into wonderful people. They are not and need to be prosecuted.
Post by: CoryTDF on April 07, 2020, 10:20:01 AM
The arguments is not whether or not the kid was wrong.
The argument I have is the personal attacks and judgment that people are throwing around about people they do not know. They justify this by using their moral/ethical code of upholding game laws but I'm curios if they treat all people that break the law this way?
Post by: KFhunter on April 07, 2020, 10:25:15 AM
Do you report every crime you witness? Only game violations? Think about it.
The arguments is not whether or not the kid was wrong.
The argument I have is the personal attacks and judgment that people are throwing around about people they do not know. They justify this by using their moral/ethical code of upholding game laws but I'm curios if they treat all people that break the law this way?
You're dumb enough to post a crime to social media, then all the things that come with social media is sure to follow. This is just part of it.
At least we as hunters aren't calling for his death, calling for him to be shot, hung and burned out of their house....that that's for legally gotten trophy animals.
the left does that
so IMO - this is pretty mild and low key for a social media beat down.
Post by: Buckhunter24 on April 07, 2020, 10:26:42 AM
Post by: CoryTDF on April 07, 2020, 10:30:42 AM
So, first off let me say If you feel like a crime has been committed and you want to report it, that is your right to do so and I wont judge on that. I am not condemning Fred for doing what he thought was right. Would I have done the same thing? Can't tell ya until I'm faced with that choice.
The thing I think is funny/sickening is that hunters and fisherman are so quick to report a person for a game violation and then get on their soap box and preach to the masses about morality and ethics. Look at what this thread has turned into! So much judgment and assumptions about people that nobody on here knows a thing about. Was the boy wrong? In the eyes of the law yes he was. In the eyes of many others, forum members included, no he was not. I'm not taking a side here.
Killing a game bird out of season or without a licenses is a misdemeanor crime. So too is speeding or blowing a stop sign. Do you call the police when you see this? A law is being broken and if we follow suit with how people have been acting on this thread then we must all be obligated to call it in. Right? Or do we only get fired up when its a game violation? That whole "The law is the law and he broke it!" argument is only for game violations? What happened to your moral/ethical code when that dude blew past you on the freeway? Ya'll see what I'm getting at here?
The thread is a showcase of everything that is wrong with the internet and social media. So much awful judgment without any real facts. For all any of us know, these are great folks that just made a mistake. I hate what HW is turning into these days. It's like an a$$ load of 7th grade girls jumped into the bodies of grown men and got behind a keyboard. It's not only shameful it is embarrassing.
Is poaching wrong? Yes. So lets not try and mix up my words here.
Sorry but you are comparing apples to oranges when you use traffic violations to an individual using a firearm to illegally kill a game bird out of season without a license. Reporting the poacher was absolutely the correct thing to do and it appears it is actually going to get investigated. I am glad that many here see that as a proper thing to do(report poachers). People that make excuses for criminal behavior are part of the problem and not part of the solution. I remember when hunting turkeys in this state was almost impossible and the annual harvest was less than 100 birds. Since then it has exploded to become a pastime enjoyed by many including many of our youth. They are hunting legally and contributing financially to the sport of turkey hunting. Hopefully there are some fines involved and the adult that allowed the illegal use of that firearm gets a heavy fine and the firearm gets confiscated. Your comments are designed to make poachers into wonderful people. They are not and need to be prosecuted.
You missed the entire point of my post. It's about they so many of ya'll are talking about these folks and this kid and the only thing you know about them is that he killed, not even sure it was shot, a turkey. My curiosity is it your justification to speak this way of people because they have broken a law? If that is the case why not for other laws?
Listen, if you think the way many of you have jumped to judgment and the distasteful comments you have made about people you don't know are fine and acceptable, well I guess we are just different.
And before we get to this, no I do not know these people.
Post by: fishngamereaper on April 07, 2020, 10:31:23 AM
Speeding, being an (infraction) and done by most everyone ever that has driven a car is seen differently than killing an animal (Misd-gross Misd) out of season or without a license. Traffic laws are broken everyday by thousands of people. So its somewhat socially accepted-to a point. Poaching, hopefully is not an everyday occurrence by thousands of people so its generally not socially accepted.
Also traffic infractions have to witnessed by LEO to be enforceable violations. Poaching does not.
Post by: CoryTDF on April 07, 2020, 10:33:13 AM
Do you report every crime you witness? Only game violations? Think about it.
The arguments is not whether or not the kid was wrong.
The argument I have is the personal attacks and judgment that people are throwing around about people they do not know. They justify this by using their moral/ethical code of upholding game laws but I'm curios if they treat all people that break the law this way?
You're dumb enough to post a crime to social media, then all the things that come with social media is sure to follow. This is just part of it.
At least we as hunters aren't calling for his death, calling for him to be shot, hung and burned out of their house....that that's for legally gotten trophy animals.
the left does that
so IMO - this is pretty mild and low key for a social media beat down.
Still seems inappropriate behavior from grown men. Can't fix stupid, but you don't have to join in on it either. The OP was a fine post and it just went sorth from there.
Post by: Pegasus on April 07, 2020, 10:33:45 AM
Do you report every crime you witness? Only game violations? Think about it.
The arguments is not whether or not the kid was wrong.
The argument I have is the personal attacks and judgment that people are throwing around about people they do not know. They justify this by using their moral/ethical code of upholding game laws but I'm curios if they treat all people that break the law this way?
When you illegally kill a turkey out of season with a firearm and then are stupid enough to post pictures showing adults involved in the killing they deserve every negative comment that comes their way. You probably think all of the drug addicts that are crapping all over are cities are wonderful, too. Trying to make people feel bad for posting about and exposing illegal behavior is exactly the attitude that is destroying our country.
Post by: CoryTDF on April 07, 2020, 10:34:33 AM
The op made a post about reporting obvious illegal hunting on a hunting website, seems like a pretty normal post to make. The kid is going to get a slap on the wrist and life will go on. He killed it to eat and turkeys are a dime a dozen, not exactly the crime of the century but worth reporting to hopefully (maybe) teach a lesson :twocents:
I agree with ALL of this. It's the following posts and judgment that are uncalled for in my eyes.
Post by: magnanimous_j on April 07, 2020, 10:36:59 AM
Do you report every crime you witness? Only game violations? Think about it.
The arguments is not whether or not the kid was wrong.
The argument I have is the personal attacks and judgment that people are throwing around about people they do not know. They justify this by using their moral/ethical code of upholding game laws but I'm curios if they treat all people that break the law this way?
When you illegally kill a turkey out of season with a firearm and then are stupid enough to post pictures showing adults involved in the killing they deserve every negative comment that comes their way. You probably think all of the drug addicts that are crapping all over are cities are wonderful, too. Trying to make people feel bad for posting about and exposing illegal behavior is exactly the attitude that is destroying our country.
Post by: CoryTDF on April 07, 2020, 10:37:02 AM
Yes. Some people make a report every time they see someone doing something wrong. Happens all the time.
Speeding, being an (infraction) and done by most everyone ever that has driven a car is seen differently than killing an animal (Misd-gross Misd) out of season or without a license. Traffic laws are broken everyday by thousands of people. So its somewhat socially accepted-to a point. Poaching, hopefully is not an everyday occurrence by thousands of people so its generally not socially accepted.
Also traffic infractions have to witnessed by LEO to be enforceable violations. Poaching does not.
Great info but you're focused on the wrong part of my post.
Post by: CoryTDF on April 07, 2020, 10:39:40 AM
Do you report every crime you witness? Only game violations? Think about it.
The arguments is not whether or not the kid was wrong.
The argument I have is the personal attacks and judgment that people are throwing around about people they do not know. They justify this by using their moral/ethical code of upholding game laws but I'm curios if they treat all people that break the law this way?
When you illegally kill a turkey out of season with a firearm and then are stupid enough to post pictures showing adults involved in the killing they deserve every negative comment that comes their way. You probably think all of the drug addicts that are crapping all over are cities are wonderful, too. Trying to make people feel bad for posting about and exposing illegal behavior is exactly the attitude that is destroying our country.
I like you, your are just the kind of emotional keyboard warrior that helps pass my day. Thanks for that!
Oh, yeah, you don't know a single thing about me hotshot. Lets make sure you focus your energy on what really matters, you know, like getting all those communist red onions out of the grocery stores.
Post by: bobcat on April 07, 2020, 10:40:40 AM
Post by: Skillet on April 07, 2020, 10:42:52 AM
The op made a post about reporting obvious illegal hunting on a hunting website, seems like a pretty normal post to make. The kid is going to get a slap on the wrist and life will go on. He killed it to eat and turkeys are a dime a dozen, not exactly the crime of the century but worth reporting to hopefully (maybe) teach a lesson :twocents:
I agree with ALL of this. It's the following posts and judgment that are uncalled for in my eyes.
I appreciate the summary here, it helps clarify your position for me. I can't disagree with you on how quick social media is to pile on.
Your original statement, however, was also focused on addressing the appropriateness of reporting this type of thing - not just the forum's reaction to machias' reporting of it. That's why I questioned you to see where you felt the line of appropriate reporting actually was.
Post by: PA BEN on April 07, 2020, 10:47:21 AM
I doubt they are poor.:tup:
That cabin looks like its still somewhat under construction. And I know that campers and trailers drop in value faster than fresh fish, but that trailer looks reasonably nice as well. Mainly though, its the wording of the post.
Please don’t criticize as this is his right of passage.
First off, no one who views a hunt as a right of passage would phrase it like that. If she were a grizzled, 4th generation mountain lady whose ancestor deserted the confederate army and they've been hiding out in those mountains ever since, that kid wouldn't have to do his "right of passage" by himself, wandering into the woods to shoot a random whatever, and he would have likely done it a lot younger than 14. She would know that hunting seasons exist, and she would definitely know not to brag about it on facebook. And if they were "new poor," they would have relocated to the suburbs, not the woods.
Who is she worried about being critical? Not other grizzled mountain folk. She posted it on "Off Grid Living For Beginners," which is a facebook group of tiny house eco-hippies. She's worried that the REI set would disapprove of the hunting in general, which is why she used such weird wording like "right of passage."
My guess. They decided to bug out to their 90% finished cabin to ride out COVID, and now they are cosplaying mountain men. They are "running low on meat" because they don't yet understand how to buy groceries when their aren't 5 grocery stores within a 10 minute drive.
Post by: PA BEN on April 07, 2020, 10:52:37 AM
The op made a post about reporting obvious illegal hunting on a hunting website, seems like a pretty normal post to make. The kid is going to get a slap on the wrist and life will go on. He killed it to eat and turkeys are a dime a dozen, not exactly the crime of the century but worth reporting to hopefully (maybe) teach a lesson :twocents:First a turkey then it's an elk or a bear or a deer or etc. Doesn't matter if their a dime a dozen.
Post by: CoryTDF on April 07, 2020, 10:52:55 AM
The op made a post about reporting obvious illegal hunting on a hunting website, seems like a pretty normal post to make. The kid is going to get a slap on the wrist and life will go on. He killed it to eat and turkeys are a dime a dozen, not exactly the crime of the century but worth reporting to hopefully (maybe) teach a lesson :twocents:
I agree with ALL of this. It's the following posts and judgment that are uncalled for in my eyes.
I appreciate the summary here, it helps clarify your position for me. I can't disagree with you on how quick social media is to pile on.
Your original statement, however, was also focused on addressing the appropriateness of reporting this type of thing - not just the forum's reaction to machias' reporting of it. That's why I questioned you to see where you felt the line of appropriate reporting actually was.
Well, I guess I worded it incorrectly. I was never questioning the OP just the reaction of others. I used the traffic thing to try and show that outdoorsman often times use game violations as justification to say horrible things and act like self-righteous A-Holes. Was wondering why they don't act that way to others that commit crime. Law is a law right?
If folks cant see that attacking every aspect of a persons life because they made a mistake is, at least inappropriate, well I guess we just see things differently. Making assumptions to fill a narrative is not a healthy way to operate. The single act we know of was wrong. That is really ALL any of us knows for sure.
Post by: Buckhunter24 on April 07, 2020, 10:55:01 AM
The op made a post about reporting obvious illegal hunting on a hunting website, seems like a pretty normal post to make. The kid is going to get a slap on the wrist and life will go on. He killed it to eat and turkeys are a dime a dozen, not exactly the crime of the century but worth reporting to hopefully (maybe) teach a lesson :twocents:First a turkey then it's an elk or a bear or a deer or etc. Doesn't matter if their a dime a dozen.
Which is why I said hopefully it will teach him a lesson, as in he will hopefully stop before it escalates.
Post by: cbond3318 on April 07, 2020, 10:55:33 AM
Post by: CoryTDF on April 07, 2020, 10:55:43 AM
Cory, It sounds to me like you're still upset about your speeding ticket three months ago. It's okay, I don't think any of us will judge you for that. It's not as bad as poaching a turkey.
Not upset at all. I earned that one fair and square. Paid it and moved on with my life.
Post by: CoryTDF on April 07, 2020, 10:56:22 AM
Can we back up to Claude Dallas being a Western Hero???
Great story but certainly not a hero.
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/the-law-claude-dallas-104172/
Post by: Jingles on April 07, 2020, 10:57:21 AM
Post by: CoryTDF on April 07, 2020, 10:59:04 AM
Is a turkey going to get you enough Bonus points so you'll be able to draw a special tag?
No points for turkey reporting.
Post by: bobcat on April 07, 2020, 10:59:55 AM
Post by: CoryTDF on April 07, 2020, 11:04:30 AM
I wouldn't call speculating about the people who illegally killed a turkey and posted about it on social media "attacking every aspect of a person's life," because for one, the people aren't on this forum and aren't seeing the comments. As someone else already pointed out, the comments would be much worse anywhere else. Put this story in a Seattle newspaper and they'd be asking for the death penalty for the kid and the parents.
Yes, it would be worse in ANY WESTERN WASHINGTON media outlet. That said, does that justify it here? Am I wrong to think it's wrong to act this way? Are we not meant to hold ourselves to a higher standard than those emotional left wing PETA folks that do exactly what others on this thread have done? That is what I am questioning.
Post by: vandeman17 on April 07, 2020, 11:07:18 AM
I wouldn't call speculating about the people who illegally killed a turkey and posted about it on social media "attacking every aspect of a person's life," because for one, the people aren't on this forum and aren't seeing the comments. As someone else already pointed out, the comments would be much worse anywhere else. Put this story in a Seattle newspaper and they'd be asking for the death penalty for the kid and the parents.
Yes, it would be worse in ANY WESTERN WASHINGTON media outlet. That said, does that justify it here? Am I wrong to think it's wrong to act this way? Are we not meant to hold ourselves to a higher standard than those emotional left wing PETA folks that do exactly what others on this thread have done? That is what I am questioning.
I know my comment was directly tied to them trying to justify the act and the hypocrisy in it.
Post by: Pegasus on April 07, 2020, 11:08:03 AM
The op made a post about reporting obvious illegal hunting on a hunting website, seems like a pretty normal post to make. The kid is going to get a slap on the wrist and life will go on. He killed it to eat and turkeys are a dime a dozen, not exactly the crime of the century but worth reporting to hopefully (maybe) teach a lesson :twocents:First a turkey then it's an elk or a bear or a deer or etc. Doesn't matter if their a dime a dozen.
Which is why I said hopefully it will teach him a lesson, as in he will hopefully stop before it escalates.
Yup. I am sure he will now grow up to become the Director of the WDFW or even better, Govenor. He will probably be the one to straighten out this state.
Post by: bobcat on April 07, 2020, 11:08:19 AM
Post by: Henrydog on April 07, 2020, 11:08:50 AM
Post by: Machias on April 07, 2020, 11:11:10 AM
Can we back up to Claude Dallas being a Western Hero???
Start a different thread for that one, pretty please. I have participated in a few of those over the years and they get really heated. :)
Can you tell we are all isolated and not hunting or fishing? :chuckle: :chuckle:
I fully understand some folks would not report this violation. I'm fine with that. I'm not going to tell you that you MUST report it. Would you report a deer, elk, moose, maybe a caribou? Sure turkeys are a dime a dozen and a nuisance in many areas. Maybe we should no longer have a season, bag limits etc...but we do. Would I call in other crimes that I witness, sure, I'm a retired cop, it's second nature. I imagine all of us have a level of criminal activity that we would report, just human nature. I feel like wanton game violations are something I will report if I have enough information. You don't feel the same, no problem, I respect that.
I also agree with Cory, some of the comments are over the top, but this is a campfire community and guys like to express opinions.
Post by: Pegasus on April 07, 2020, 11:17:58 AM
"Please don’t criticize as this is his right of passage.
We’re low on meat and my 14-year-old grandson goes for a walk and comes back with dinner. First time/ first kill. I didn’t think he could really do it but he was taught to process the bird today- which he did!
look at dinner!
I’m so proud and guess what we’re having for dinner"
And this:
"Teresa Moore Fred Moyer he didn’t know it wasn’t hunting season or anything about hunting season. He just knew that we’ve only a couple days meat left and there’s a turkey. He has been school about licenses now- thank you."
Post by: ne kid on April 07, 2020, 11:22:45 AM
Post by: KFhunter on April 07, 2020, 11:26:32 AM
Can we back up to Claude Dallas being a Western Hero???
Start a different thread for that one, pretty please. I have participated in a few of those over the years and they get really heated. :)
Can you tell we are all isolated and not hunting or fishing? :chuckle: :chuckle:
I fully understand some folks would not report this violation. I'm fine with that. I'm not going to tell you that you MUST report it. Would you report a deer, elk, moose, maybe a caribou? Sure turkeys are a dime a dozen and a nuisance in many areas. Maybe we should no longer have a season, bag limits etc...but we do. Would I call in other crimes that I witness, sure, I'm a retired cop, it's second nature. I imagine all of us have a level of criminal activity that we would report, just human nature. I feel like wanton game violations are something I will report if I have enough information. You don't feel the same, no problem, I respect that.
I also agree with Cory, some of the comments are over the top, but this is a campfire community and guys like to express opinions.
If I were that hungry I'd just throw a white tom out there then blast any turkey that had an extra white feather
WDFW: "We heard you poached a turkey?"
No Sir! Them are all free range domestic turkeys! See the white feathers?
but I'm not, and I don't want to spoil the DNA by introducing a domestic, although it happens all over the place.
Post by: ne kid on April 07, 2020, 11:30:13 AM
Post by: Buckhunter24 on April 07, 2020, 11:30:38 AM
Everyone take a deep breath, step outside. China Cold isolation is getting to some of you guys. Being a internet medical expert I am writing at Rx for a minimum of two Busch Latte before you return to the keyboard.
Not vitamin R?
Post by: buglebrush on April 07, 2020, 11:32:23 AM
I think the main difference is that blowing a stop sign isn't a property crime. The bird was owned by all Washington residents in common. Taking it deprived the rest of the residents the opportunity to do so.
So, instead of running a stop sign, what if you saw someone stealing the stop sign? Do you still feel the same way?
One thing about that. In the NE the bird is a nuisance not an asset. unbelievable amount of them everywhere. Not native either.
Post by: KFhunter on April 07, 2020, 11:35:35 AM
I feel bad for them having to eat a wild turkey.
that might be their biggest lesson in the end :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Henrydog on April 07, 2020, 11:38:33 AM
Everyone take a deep breath, step outside. China Cold isolation is getting to some of you guys. Being a internet medical expert I am writing at Rx for a minimum of two Busch Latte before you return to the keyboard.
Not vitamin R?
No...good catch, but its way too early for Vitamin R on a empty stomach. Busch Lattes are so watery they are preferred for Breakfast, and before any Church Services or parent teacher conferences held before noon.
Post by: ne kid on April 07, 2020, 11:39:58 AM
Post by: cbond3318 on April 07, 2020, 11:40:28 AM
I feel bad for them having to eat a wild turkey.
that might be their biggest lesson in the end :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
orange peel, basil leaf and peppercorn brine for a day before cooking and they'd be cleaning house up there. :twocents:
Post by: ne kid on April 07, 2020, 11:44:13 AM
Post by: Pegasus on April 07, 2020, 11:44:27 AM
Can we back up to Claude Dallas being a Western Hero???
Start a different thread for that one, pretty please. I have participated in a few of those over the years and they get really heated. :)
Can you tell we are all isolated and not hunting or fishing? :chuckle: :chuckle:
I fully understand some folks would not report this violation. I'm fine with that. I'm not going to tell you that you MUST report it. Would you report a deer, elk, moose, maybe a caribou? Sure turkeys are a dime a dozen and a nuisance in many areas. Maybe we should no longer have a season, bag limits etc...but we do. Would I call in other crimes that I witness, sure, I'm a retired cop, it's second nature. I imagine all of us have a level of criminal activity that we would report, just human nature. I feel like wanton game violations are something I will report if I have enough information. You don't feel the same, no problem, I respect that.
I also agree with Cory, some of the comments are over the top, but this is a campfire community and guys like to express opinions.
If I were that hungry I'd just throw a white tom out there then blast any turkey that had an extra white feather
WDFW: "We heard you poached a turkey?"
No Sir! Them are all free range domestic turkeys! See the white feathers?
but I'm not, and I don't want to spoil the DNA by introducing a domestic, although it happens all over the place.
Klickitat had that problem many years ago when they crossbred with turkeys from a turkey farm. They also transmitted disease that basically destroyed the flock that the WDFW was trying to get started in the state. Now they are everywhere.
Post by: Pegasus on April 07, 2020, 11:46:06 AM
Or wrap it in bacon, and eat the bacon.
Be sure to send Grandma the recipe in case they get anymore birds. I think they have already eaten the evidence except for the pics.
Post by: ne kid on April 07, 2020, 11:49:21 AM
Post by: KFhunter on April 07, 2020, 12:46:35 PM
1 part turkey 10 parts pork :chuckle:
Post by: lokidog on April 07, 2020, 01:21:19 PM
Post by: ne kid on April 07, 2020, 01:24:18 PM
Post by: Big game archer on April 07, 2020, 01:27:57 PM
I'm sorry that you guys don't know how to cook a wild turkey.... :chuckle:
:yeah:
Post by: b0bbyg on April 07, 2020, 01:30:53 PM
I'm sorry that you guys don't know how to cook a wild turkey.... :chuckle:
I found that with the right amount of rice and Teriyaki sauce it was just fine :tup:
Post by: ne kid on April 07, 2020, 01:33:30 PM
Post by: b0bbyg on April 07, 2020, 02:09:02 PM
Same thing was said about a bat in Wuhan.:chuckle:
Post by: cb1989 on April 07, 2020, 02:33:59 PM
I'm sorry that you guys don't know how to cook a wild turkey.... :chuckle:
x2... one of my favorites. Picatta or schnitzel with the breasts, soup or slow cooker tacos with the dark meat. Maybe thats why the NE has so many birds, y'all trying to cook em like a GMO butterball
Post by: ne kid on April 07, 2020, 02:45:24 PM
Post by: cbond3318 on April 07, 2020, 03:11:22 PM
Anytime you have to beat the meat as for schnitzel, or marinade something for 7 weeks to make it edible I question the taste. I myself can salt and pepper a deer,elk,bear,cougar,grouse,pheasant,hun,etc. And it is good. Turkey,goose,duck not so much. To say they are excellent or to say we are not cooking them right is laughable.
You lost me at Beat meat schnitzel.
#turkeydeservesagoodcook
Post by: vandeman17 on April 07, 2020, 03:12:57 PM
Post by: Curly on April 07, 2020, 03:31:04 PM
:yeah:I doubt they are poor.
That cabin looks like its still somewhat under construction. And I know that campers and trailers drop in value faster than fresh fish, but that trailer looks reasonably nice as well. Mainly though, its the wording of the post.
Please don’t criticize as this is his right of passage.
First off, no one who views a hunt as a right of passage would phrase it like that. If she were a grizzled, 4th generation mountain lady whose ancestor deserted the confederate army and they've been hiding out in those mountains ever since, that kid wouldn't have to do his "right of passage" by himself, wandering into the woods to shoot a random whatever, and he would have likely done it a lot younger than 14. She would know that hunting seasons exist, and she would definitely know not to brag about it on facebook. And if they were "new poor," they would have relocated to the suburbs, not the woods.
Who is she worried about being critical? Not other grizzled mountain folk. She posted it on "Off Grid Living For Beginners," which is a facebook group of tiny house eco-hippies. She's worried that the REI set would disapprove of the hunting in general, which is why she used such weird wording like "right of passage."
My guess. They decided to bug out to their 90% finished cabin to ride out COVID, and now they are cosplaying mountain men. They are "running low on meat" because they don't yet understand how to buy groceries when their aren't 5 grocery stores within a 10 minute drive.
I must have the Kung Flu because I agree with all of this. Someone please take my temperature. :yike:
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on April 07, 2020, 04:37:37 PM
Post by: cb1989 on April 07, 2020, 07:21:15 PM
Anytime you have to beat the meat as for schnitzel, or marinade something for 7 weeks to make it edible I question the taste. I myself can salt and pepper a deer,elk,bear,cougar,grouse,pheasant,hun,etc. And it is good. Turkey,goose,duck not so much. To say they are excellent or to say we are not cooking them right is laughable.
dont hunt em then... more for me :chuckle:
Post by: trophyhunt on April 07, 2020, 07:34:48 PM
Post by: Igor on April 07, 2020, 07:39:26 PM
No disrespect meant, I’m just being honest. No I wouldn’t have turned in someone for killing/poaching a turkey. Anyone that knows me knows how much I hate poaching, turkeys are a pest for most people that live in turkey country. I’ve sent people messages before on Facebook that have done illegal crap, I simply told them what law they broke and moved on. Elk, deer, moose or other big game gets poached and I find out, the situation would dictate who I call. BUT, I’d never get on here or any social media to brag about it. That’s really the only thing about this thread that sucks. Either way, I don’t want disrespect nor do I give it in this situation.
Yeah, you are probably right. It's only a little bit illegal. No harm......no foul.
Post by: Bango skank on April 07, 2020, 07:46:25 PM
No disrespect meant, I’m just being honest. No I wouldn’t have turned in someone for killing/poaching a turkey. Anyone that knows me knows how much I hate poaching, turkeys are a pest for most people that live in turkey country. I’ve sent people messages before on Facebook that have done illegal crap, I simply told them what law they broke and moved on. Elk, deer, moose or other big game gets poached and I find out, the situation would dictate who I call. BUT, I’d never get on here or any social media to brag about it. That’s really the only thing about this thread that sucks. Either way, I don’t want disrespect nor do I give it in this situation.
Homestly i dont give a damn about turkeys either. Hell, theyre not even native. But the way i see it, people like this are going to be poaching deer too. Or elk. Or moose. This is their chance to learn the facts of life before its a BIG problem for them. Better this kid gets set straight for poaching turkey, then wait for the law to come down on him for something bigger.
Post by: trophyhunt on April 07, 2020, 07:52:12 PM
Post by: Bango skank on April 07, 2020, 07:59:51 PM
Well, hopefully he only gets a slap on the wrist but hopefully it scares him a bit.
Thats the outcome i would like to see. Dont hang the kid, but enough of a scare to set him and his family on the straight and narrow. I figure a turkey poacher is, or will be, a deer poacher. This is a good opportunity to fix things without screwing up a dumb kids life. I did all kinds of stupid *censored* when i was young, and im sure a few others on here did too.
Post by: h20hunter on April 07, 2020, 08:03:33 PM
Well, hopefully he only gets a slap on the wrist but hopefully it scares him a bit.
:yeah:
Post by: h20hunter on April 07, 2020, 08:03:56 PM
Well, hopefully he only gets a slap on the wrist but hopefully it scares him a bit.
Thats the outcome i would like to see. Dont hang the kid, but enough of a scare to set him and his family on the straight and narrow. I figure a turkey poacher is, or will be, a deer poacher. This is a good opportunity to fix things without screwing up a dumb kids life.
:yeah: also
Post by: idaho guy on April 07, 2020, 08:07:51 PM
I doubt they are poor.
That cabin looks like its still somewhat under construction. And I know that campers and trailers drop in value faster than fresh fish, but that trailer looks reasonably nice as well. Mainly though, its the wording of the post.
Please don’t criticize as this is his right of passage.
First off, no one who views a hunt as a right of passage would phrase it like that. If she were a grizzled, 4th generation mountain lady whose ancestor deserted the confederate army and they've been hiding out in those mountains ever since, that kid wouldn't have to do his "right of passage" by himself, wandering into the woods to shoot a random whatever, and he would have likely done it a lot younger than 14. She would know that hunting seasons exist, and she would definitely know not to brag about it on facebook. And if they were "new poor," they would have relocated to the suburbs, not the woods.
Who is she worried about being critical? Not other grizzled mountain folk. She posted it on "Off Grid Living For Beginners," which is a facebook group of tiny house eco-hippies. She's worried that the REI set would disapprove of the hunting in general, which is why she used such weird wording like "right of passage."
My guess. They decided to bug out to their 90% finished cabin to ride out COVID, and now they are cosplaying mountain men. They are "running low on meat" because they don't yet understand how to buy groceries when their aren't 5 grocery stores within a 10 minute drive.
:yeah: Wannabe off griders it said they live in Spokane how off grid could they be? And of course they have the internet ha ha. They have watched the equally fake mountain man show too many times. If they were living off grid and hunting for their sole meat supply that kid would have shot a lot more animals besides a turkey for a “rite of passage “ at the age of 14. I think Fred was right but I hope it’s a slap on the wrist for the kid. I love to hunt turkey but we are way overpopulated with them. He was being a stupid 14 year old and a turkey is a long ways from a moose etc. anyways it will be a good lesson for him but more so the parents.No way they didn’t “know” about hunting season.
Post by: ne kid on April 07, 2020, 08:16:11 PM
Post by: Lucky1 on April 07, 2020, 08:17:48 PM
They should just make him eat the whole bird.That’ll cure him. :chuckle:
Post by: Curly on April 07, 2020, 08:24:55 PM
Post by: Bango skank on April 07, 2020, 08:33:29 PM
They should just make him eat the whole bird.That’ll cure him. :chuckle:
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 08, 2020, 08:49:17 AM
I'm sorry that you guys don't know how to cook a wild turkey.... :chuckle:@Cab, my hunting partner, smoked his last bird and the flavor and texture was excellent. I'm not sure if he injected it with anything, but whatever he did worked!
Post by: The scout on April 08, 2020, 09:05:51 AM
I'm sorry that you guys don't know how to cook a wild turkey.... :chuckle:@Cab, my hunting partner, smoked his last bird and the flavor and texture was excellent. I'm not sure if he injected it with anything, but whatever he did worked!
Must have been injected and wrapped in bacon.
Post by: PA BEN on April 29, 2020, 08:25:43 PM
I'm sorry that you guys don't know how to cook a wild turkey.... :chuckle:@Cab, my hunting partner, smoked his last bird and the flavor and texture was excellent. I'm not sure if he injected it with anything, but whatever he did worked!
Must have been injected and wrapped in bacon.
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I injected this tom and cooked him on my traeger, best bird ever and was very juicy
Post by: BD1 on April 29, 2020, 08:27:38 PM
Post by: Curly on April 29, 2020, 08:40:48 PM
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Post by: Rob on April 30, 2020, 08:48:31 AM
They should just make him eat the whole bird.That’ll cure him. :chuckle:
Like feathers and all? Ha!