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Title: Bugle? Do you? and which one?
Post by: Buckrub on April 09, 2009, 07:57:28 PM: Nuthing better than a good bugle then the estrus cow call....

I use the Rocky Jacobson at the moment....can't put the copenhagen away long enough for a diaphram.

Which bugle so you use?...convince me to change

This video gets me going...
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Post by: bucklucky on April 09, 2009, 08:03:24 PM: TEAM PRIMOS BABY!! :chuckle: SO you can sound just like every other swingin.......well you know the rest :chuckle: Oh , and dont forget the good Ole Hoochie mamma ;) Make sure your squeezing that little *censored* every step of the way :bash: Oh man , I cant wait foe the rut . I use Rockys tube and also Elknuts tube, both are great but I also use reeds. Elknuts tube is lighter and tuned to get rid of that plastic sound, works great.
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Post by: rezboy on April 09, 2009, 08:21:51 PM: Primos pack bugle, terminator. Hoochie momma is always used and the HOT LIPS isn't too shabby either. Like the pack bugle the best though.
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Post by: 7mag. on April 09, 2009, 08:25:45 PM: Quote from: rezboy on April 09, 2009, 08:21:51 PM
Primos pack bugle, terminator. Hoochie momma is always used and the HOT LIPS isn't too shabby either. Like the pack bugle the best though.

+1. I live in town, but not far from the tree farm, and last fall I was bugling in my driveway and getting answers from a field next to the timber. I was using Primos Terminator.
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Post by: xXx Archery on April 09, 2009, 08:30:36 PM: Rocky tube and diaphram white dome
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Post by: coldsteel3d on April 09, 2009, 08:35:44 PM: rocky tube with mouth reeds, great luck with them.
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Post by: archery288 on April 10, 2009, 08:10:54 AM: I use Rockie's calls only! :rolleyes: He has made some great products in the past and probably some of the most realistic sounding calls on the market. For 2009 he has come out with some new cow calls and bugles as well. They sound great and once again are very easy to use. Keep an eye out for the signature series calls.
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Post by: boneaddict on April 10, 2009, 08:13:20 AM: old school abe and sons. One of the best Indian poachers I know uses a piece of PVC pipe and diaphram. He rates right up there with Elknut1 and his calling.
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Post by: colockumelk on April 10, 2009, 10:14:40 AM: I use a Primos Terminator. I use both the blue reed and the sonic dome to bugle with. I use the blue reed to locate and the mouth calls when I'm closer.

Bugles are fine and dandy but it's alot easier to bring bulls in with cow calls. I just got a Primos IMAKABULLCRAZY and it's awsome I can't wait to use it (replaced the Cowgirl). I also use the primos mouth calls and the hyperlip single. And of course to supplement those calls I use the hoochi-mamma which works really well if you use it as a supplementary call to your mouth calls like it was designed for. Gives you the ability to sound like two elk at the same time.

Hell yeah TEAM PRIMOS BABY :chuckle:
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Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on April 10, 2009, 10:34:08 AM: Berry Thunder bugle(colapsable) and Primos reeds and thats it.
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Post by: bowtech721 on April 10, 2009, 11:03:34 AM: Why do so many people bash on primos calls? Whats the deal?
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Post by: Yak-NDN on April 10, 2009, 11:39:55 AM: I have purchased about every call I could get my hands on over the years and my fav is an origanal persuader before Jones started making his version. The last 15yr you could find used ones around costing 50-200 dollars and last year Jones was bought out and they had some originals in the shop so they sent them to Bi Mart if you find one you should buy them they are collectors items in my book. They have a wood inter piece and take a clear reed like primos blue reed. I cant say enough about the call once you learn how to use it the call will make any sound you want from bull to cow and sound good. In cow calls I pack about three mostly primos but I like sceery hyper cow in heat and another one called sleazy cow, I also have a hoochie mama on my belt loop. It usually doesn't mater on cow calls if you don't know how to use them so my suggestion is to find one or two cow calls that you can make the sound that you want consistently and stick with it when in the field. For people learning primos is the best I use the pack bugle when I am in the back country. (The old persuader's don't have a cover for the end)

Bone if you know an Indian Poacher did you turn him in? Is he a poacher because he is Indian or is he breaking the law?
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Post by: MIKEXRAY on April 10, 2009, 11:44:43 AM: I also use the Rocky call, ( Bugling bull game calls ). I have hunted with three other hunters over the last five years who had their fave call and every year I would let them call away first in lots of areas. One blow about 15 minutes after they were done and I would get responses after all was quiet with the other calls. One note : None of us were pro callers and all had the same calling skills. I like the bugling bull calls, Bull & Cow calls & will stick with them.
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Post by: bowhuntin on April 10, 2009, 12:04:16 PM: I also use Rockie's calls. Bugle and mouth diaphragm calls.
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Post by: colockumelk on April 10, 2009, 03:16:14 PM: Quote from: bowtech721 on April 10, 2009, 11:03:34 AM
Why do so many people bash on primos calls? Whats the deal?

I don't know why people always bash on them. I think they are great. THey have worked just fine for me. I think one reason is because they are so easy to use now everyone has them and about half of those people don't know the appropriate time to use them. I know I've heard guys bugling like crazy during the modern rifle season when I take my wife out.

I think the thing that people also hate most is the Primos hoochie-mamma call since anyone can use it and people do. I have also heard people just squeeking away at those things during the archery and ML seasons. So basically people rip on them because alot of people have them and alot of those people use them wrong and mess things up for those that do know how to properly use them.

Note. The hoochie mamma is awsome, if you use it how it was meant to be used. Which is as a supplementary call to a mouth or reed style call so you sound like two different elk.
Title: Re: Bugle? Do you? and which one?
Post by: Buckrub on April 10, 2009, 04:37:00 PM: I can hear a hoochie mama coming from a long distance...so can the elk, they sound to sharp for my taste. I bought one but don't use it, infact I have bought just about every call on the market once or twice :dunno:.

I hear Will Primo Jr. all over the mountains...they tend to all sound the same.

I prefer a mouth piece cow call that I can manipulate to imitate multiple elk. I have bugled very few bulls in without cow calls mixed, specially the estrus cow call. ;)

PS: A good club for brush seems to help get em stirred up.

There is no better hype than a screaming bull at twenty yards
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Post by: Pathfinder101 on April 10, 2009, 05:10:59 PM: I uniformly suck at all types of calling (duck, turkey, predator, etc..), so I use a Power Bugle 'cause it's idiot-proof. As long as the rubber diaphram is fairly fresh, it's pretty hard to screw it up. My boy has been calling in elk with it for me since he was 6 (nothing I could shoot-just branched bulls).
For cow calls I use Primos Diaphram calls. Blue.

I actually don't do a lot of bugling. Usually a toot a couple of times a day as a locator. If I get an answer, I try to cut the distance between us, set up and start cow calling.
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Post by: boneaddict on April 10, 2009, 05:34:34 PM: I'd just assume not answer that on the internet Yak. Less likely to take one behind the ear. No, he was a major poacher. Used a 22-250 and was quite talented with it. Haven't ran into him in a long time. He may have lost interest. Hell, he may be dead. It was some time ago. He sure got some dang big bulls though. It was over on the Colville before they had an open season for them. He had the police chip in a scanner in his truck so he always knew where the tribal cops were. He had a NICE truck. The tribal guys were required to call in every so often because of their remoteness. Nice guy and quite well known. He was related to half the people from Inchelium. Man that guy knew his elk. He called me in once....quite talented with that PVC.....glad he liked me, nothing like sneaking in with the camera and end up looking down the barrel of his rifle. :yike:
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Post by: rosscrazyelk on April 10, 2009, 06:23:56 PM: I know a guy who only uses a tube and his own throat and sounds more like a Bull Elk than any thing I have ever heard.
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Post by: Todd_ID on April 11, 2009, 07:30:19 AM: Quote from: rosscrazyelk on April 10, 2009, 06:23:56 PM
I know a guy who only uses a tube and his own throat and sounds more like a Bull Elk than any thing I have ever heard.

I have a buddy in Idaho that does this very well. His track record is impressive, too: 26 years straight of killing 5 point or bigger bulls with a bow. Plus, he calls in at least 4 or 5 bulls for other people every year.
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Post by: Todd_ID on April 11, 2009, 07:35:03 AM: My personal preference is the Primos Ivory Plate Single for locating bugles and cow calls and Rockie's triple reed for the rest of the bull sounds. I use Elknut's grunt tube because I haven't found any other tube that gets sounds as close to an elk as it can, and I probably have 10 grunt tubes that I've tried: Primos, Abe and Sons, Carlton, Rockie's, etc., Elknut's tube is simply better.
Title: Re: Bugle? Do you? and which one?
Post by: rosscrazyelk on April 11, 2009, 10:20:38 AM: Quote
I have a buddy in Idaho that does this very well. His track record is impressive, too: 26 years straight of killing 5 point or bigger bulls with a bow. Plus, he calls in at least 4 or 5 bulls for other people every year.
By chance is his name Bret and lives in Moscow?
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Post by: Fullabull on April 11, 2009, 09:17:39 PM: I would say it's not so much the type of bugle you use as much as learning to use the diaphram calls. You can make any sound a bull can if you learn to use the diaphram mouth call, different bugles will just change the tone a little. I bring a couple different bugles with me and change which one I us each day until I figure out which one has the right tone they like. More often then not they like the ones without a chamber on the end. I think this is because you can change the tone easier without the chamber.

I usually use the bugle to make location sounds along with cow talk to get a bull excited enough to respond, then use cow calling to bring them in (single reed calls are great to get them excited).

Last year I was pulling a bull to us from about a half mile away and when he got to a couple hundred yards from me another hunter snuck in and tried to call the bull to him. I could tell he was using a huchie so I hit the single reed hard and the bull had not problem making a decision on which on sounded realistic. He came directly to us but didn't give us a good shot. It was a great learning experience on what a bull wanted to hear.

Diaphrams are the most important call you can learn to use though!!!

Fulla
Title: Re: Bugle? Do you? and which one?
Post by: Todd_ID on April 12, 2009, 08:44:36 AM: Quote from: rosscrazyelk on April 11, 2009, 10:20:38 AM
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I have a buddy in Idaho that does this very well. His track record is impressive, too: 26 years straight of killing 5 point or bigger bulls with a bow. Plus, he calls in at least 4 or 5 bulls for other people every year.
By chance is his name Bret and lives in Moscow?

Nope....Rory from Orofino...great guy and excellent elk hunter, never wears any fancy camo just whatever flannel shirt he has on for the day
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Post by: boneaddict on April 12, 2009, 08:51:07 AM: Rory Cook?
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Post by: Todd_ID on April 12, 2009, 09:11:22 AM: Nope again...Rory Roby...great guy to BS with around the fire. More elk encounters than any other hunter I know. Outfitters and guides included.
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Post by: boneaddict on April 12, 2009, 09:20:00 AM: :chuckle: The name Rory should strike the fear in all game animals. RC is the best thing that happened to washington wildlife when he left. He was/is one hell of a Killing machine. Same type of demeanor with the flannel shirt. He is running around in Montana now, but thought that might have been him. Fit your description well, though I think he is more of a whitetail/muley hunter. I know hornseeker bumps into him once in awhile with his trad shoots or conventions. I have a ton of respect for the guy and have never really met him. It was a personal goal of mine to win the Glenn St. Charles award as many times as he did. LOL. I have some work cut out for me.
Title: Re: Bugle? Do you? and which one?
Post by: Crunchy on April 16, 2009, 07:13:03 AM: I use elknuts little chuckler. Great sound, the only thing I dont like is that it is a noisy critter when walking through brush. it has the constant plasitc sounds everytime it hits something. I thought about wrapping it up with some kind of tape but dont want to alter the sound it puts out. Anybody have any experience with it?
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Post by: colockumelk on April 19, 2009, 12:22:44 PM: Quote from: Fullabull on April 11, 2009, 09:17:39 PM
Diaphrams are the most important call you can learn to use though!!!
Fulla

:yeah:

It's not the call that sucks, it's the guy behind the call that sucks most of the time. When it comes down to it all the bugles are the same. Their just a piece of plastic tubing. Some maybe shaped a tad bit different but I'd be most of that is for marketing reasons. No matter how "good" the call is if they guy behind it sucks it will sound like crap.

The reason alot primos calls sucks is because they are by far the most popular calls and therefore will have alot more people that suck calling behind them. Also when most people get into calling they will buy the easiest most popular call that they saw on tv. AKA the Primos calls. And yes most of those guys sucks. Most of your beginners are not going to buy a call made by ELKNUT because they probably have never heard of ELKNUT.

So saying that primos calls sucks just because you heard a guy calling with one and he sucked doesn't mean that it was the call that sucked. If you saw a guy shooting a Bowtech or Hoyt and he was shooting like crap you wouldn't say the bow sucked, you'd say the guy sucked. So why do we blame the brand of calls when it's the guy behind it that sucks? I use nothing but primos brand of calls, simply because I can buy them at Bi-Mart and when I started they were easy to use and that's what I saw on tv. But I doubt any of you could hear me in the woods and tell what brand of call I use. Like Fulla I use a diaphragm call and thus can sound like four different cows and a couple of different bulls at the same time. The only time you would peg me is when I use my hoochie-mamma to sound like a fifth cow:)
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Post by: boneaddict on April 21, 2009, 06:32:24 AM: :chuckle: now is it the hoochie mamma that sucks or the guy behind it squeezing it. j/k
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Post by: bucklucky on April 21, 2009, 06:40:59 AM: Quote from: boneaddict on April 21, 2009, 06:32:24 AM
:chuckle: now is it the hoochie mamma that sucks or the guy behind it squeezing it. j/k

:sas:
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Post by: HawkenBob on April 21, 2009, 06:53:08 AM: I like the Primos sonic dome, white diaphram, orange dome. Its by far the best fit for my mouth. Just got a pack from Elknut and his CD. Havent tried the 2 new ones but did watch his cd. Great stuff. Trying to decide which bugle to use now. But it will definately be one that Paul makes.

If you hike far enough, you wont hear another hoochie mama, and the one your carring will work well too! :twocents:
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Post by: colockumelk on April 21, 2009, 12:55:36 PM: Quote from: bucklucky on April 21, 2009, 06:40:59 AM
Quote from: boneaddict on April 21, 2009, 06:32:24 AM
:chuckle: now is it the hoochie mamma that sucks or the guy behind it squeezing it. j/k

:sas:

:chuckle: That's funny. In my case it's the guy behind the hoochie mamma squeezing for all he's worth that sucks. :chuckle:
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Post by: funkster on April 22, 2009, 08:35:01 AM: The reason I don't like primos calls as much as others is their popularity. Elk learn very fast and when everyone is using the same call and everybody sounds the same,the elk tend to get call shy. I have had good success with the "Berry Best" diaphragms,the single blue reed works good when they start to lock their lips. I have found that when the elk "shut up" that is the time I go to my dad's old hunting bag and pull out one of the old 20 year old calls,it usually get them going.
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Post by: boneaddict on April 22, 2009, 08:43:13 AM: I'm glad you saw the humor in that Clock.
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Post by: colockumelk on April 22, 2009, 11:01:06 PM: Ah from one :sas: to another :sas: it's all good. A little :crap: talking never hurt anyone :chuckle:

Besides when I call in that big 350 class bull with my hoochie mamma this year I'll be the one :chuckle:
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Post by: boneaddict on April 23, 2009, 06:12:54 AM: Yep, the only one. ;)
Title: Re: Bugle? Do you? and which one?
Post by: rosscrazyelk on April 23, 2009, 11:25:51 AM: Quote
The reason I don't like primos calls as much as others is their popularity. Elk learn very fast and when everyone is using the same call and everybody sounds the same,the elk tend to get call shy.
Even if you have the same call you won't sound the same. My friend uses the same calls I do and we sound nothing alike.
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" that is the time I go to my dad's old hunting bag and pull out one of the old 20 year old calls,it usually get them going
What would those be?

I used to have a old metal corrugated pipe from my uncle but lost it.
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Post by: boneaddict on April 23, 2009, 11:39:07 AM: thats one reason I used bearmanrics calls down in NM. Everyone was running around using Primos, and I didn't sound anything like them, yet was still elky.
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Post by: HawkenBob on April 23, 2009, 02:57:28 PM: Im with rosscrazyelk, even if everyone had the same diaphram, no one sounds the same. Now Hoochies and the reed calls maybe, but mouth calls no way.

Im using the raging bull and a Chuckler now and love the combo. I was a die hard fan of the sonic dome before I fitted the raging bull.
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Post by: Buckrub on April 23, 2009, 06:51:55 PM: I'm currently testing the mossback full throttle bugle...so far so good. Easy location and display calls and grunts and squeels. I'll let you know about the 21st. of sept. ;)
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Post by: TheHunt on April 24, 2009, 07:48:36 PM: My spin on this thread...

Use what ever makes you sound like the real deal. If that is blowing through a Colostomy bag then do it. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
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Post by: Coasthunterjay on April 24, 2009, 07:54:53 PM: Quote from: TheHunt on April 24, 2009, 07:48:36 PM
My spin on this thread...

Use what ever makes you sound like the real deal. If that is blowing through a Colostomy bag then do it. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:

I like that Jim.....never tried that.....

I personnaly use Mouth reeds, primos pack bugle(most the time), and a elknut mini chukler(just got recently last year)....with a couple good estrus calls.

But im a primos believer and now there calls work so i use em. But i can just about make an elk sound out of most tubes. Practice makes perfect my friend....Practice makes perfect. Or maybe just better than the guy next to you in the field.
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Post by: Buckrub on May 05, 2009, 06:53:39 PM: mossback full throttle bugle :tup:
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Post by: colockumelk on May 05, 2009, 11:02:08 PM: I was thinking about getting Elknuts Chuckler. Does anyone have one? If so what do you think of it?
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Post by: Buckrub on May 06, 2009, 09:21:11 PM: Quote from: colockumelk on May 05, 2009, 11:02:08 PM
I was thinking about getting Elknuts Chuckler. Does anyone have one? If so what do you think of it?
you tube link to the elknut tube

A tube is a tube? I believe the reed makes the call and the user calls the elk after determining attitude.
the mouthpiece is the same as rocky's bugle and hard to chuckle with.

I have seen bulls called in with bugles that don't sound like a traditional bull sound...so go figure.
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Post by: Todd_ID on May 06, 2009, 10:04:03 PM: Quote from: colockumelk on May 05, 2009, 11:02:08 PM
I was thinking about getting Elknuts Chuckler. Does anyone have one? If so what do you think of it?

A tube is a tube? Not on your life! The Chuckler from Elknut is the best that I've heard, and I've been through quite a few over the years. Abe and Sons had one that came close, but Elknut is the winner for quality, by far.
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Post by: bucklucky on May 07, 2009, 07:47:18 AM: Quote from: Todd_ID on May 06, 2009, 10:04:03 PM
Quote from: colockumelk on May 05, 2009, 11:02:08 PM
I was thinking about getting Elknuts Chuckler. Does anyone have one? If so what do you think of it?

A tube is a tube? Not on your life! The Chuckler from Elknut is the best that I've heard, and I've been through quite a few over the years. Abe and Sons had one that came close, but Elknut is the winner for quality, by far.

NOUGH SAID :chuckle: Thats a Chuckler in the picture, screamin tormentor read.
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Post by: Crunchy on May 07, 2009, 09:44:01 AM: I love the little chuckler. Great sounding tube, my only complaint is that it is a noisy critter when going through the brush. every little twigg that comes into contact with the tube u get that plastic noise.
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Post by: heavy hauler on May 24, 2009, 10:00:11 PM: ok hears my :twocents:.... some people dont like the primos calls because they are simple to use.so simple alot of newcomers pick them up and head right into the woods with their terminator ripping and a constant hoochie mama squealing.this can and does work sometimes....but if eveyone is sounding the same, the elk that dont get killed get educated and shut up. it might just be me , but i think it takes some time to figure out reeds.in the mean time a few seasons pass and you might be a more conservative caller. reeds are far more realistic, but if you are hunting huge private leases, the hoochie mama is great
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Post by: Wild Bill on May 24, 2009, 11:39:01 PM: Quote from: heavy hauler on May 24, 2009, 10:00:11 PM
ok hears my :twocents:.... some people dont like the primos calls because they are simple to use.so simple alot of newcomers pick them up and head right into the woods with their terminator ripping and a constant hoochie mama squealing.this can and does work sometimes....but if eveyone is sounding the same, the elk that dont get killed get educated and shut up. it might just be me , but i think it takes some time to figure out reeds.in the mean time a few seasons pass and you might be a more conservative caller. reeds are far more realistic, but if you are hunting huge private leases, the hoochie mama is great

I concure. My hunting group has a pretty stelar call set, as we have been doing for a while. That being said, we only call to make things happen in the bottom of the 9th. What OUR "A plan" is, is to spot in stalk, or listen to others raise hell with their calls and be on escape routes! We killed two bulls running from callers last yr alone! (we also killed 4 that we called in). Every voice is different. :twocents:
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Post by: dreamingbig on June 07, 2009, 01:47:08 PM: Elknut's chuckler is the best bugle I have used yet. I prefer a reed mouth call with a tube over the "all-in-one" bugles on the market. You can do so many different things with a reed and a tube and sound a lot like an elk. The others might be easier to use but I think you will have much better success in the long run with a reed and tube.
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Post by: Timmybob on June 11, 2009, 11:08:35 PM: I'm a Primos guy myself. I rarely use the small pack terminater. The cow in estrus call has been awesome. Now I have never shot an elk I have called in a few dandies. I prefer to keep quiet though and sneek along like a ninja for some serious back country spot and stalk. Only recently have I been hunting timber co. propery on the west side and usually just sneek around quietly and wait !!!!
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Post by: vanhornhunter on June 13, 2009, 04:34:11 PM: IMHO I think the bugle is just a piece of the whole equation. I use a berry tube and many different mouth reeds. If you can learn to use a mouth reed I think you're on your way. Practice and try as many different reeds you can. Larry Jones has some great Cd's with elk sounds and calling techniques. It's helped me alot.Spend some time in your truck or garage just figuring it out. Having different calls and making different sounds is going to be to your advantage.IT"S NOT ROCKET SCIENCE! AND for god sake quit educating all the elk out there!
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Post by: PA BEN on June 14, 2009, 08:09:38 AM: I've heard some of the worst bugles coming from elk. But one thing most elk do, no mater how bad of a bugle they make is chop it off at the end of the bugle. I learned this from Larry D. Jones 22 yrs ago. Most hunters will peter it out. Hyper cow calls are good too. ;)
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Post by: colockumelk on June 14, 2009, 09:26:14 AM: Quote from: PA BEN on June 14, 2009, 08:09:38 AM
I've heard some the worst bugles coming from elk. But one thing most elk do, no mater how bad of a bugle they make is chop it off at the end of the bugle. I learned this from Larry D. Jones 22 yrs ago. Most hunters will peter it out. Hyper cow calls are good too. ;)
:yeah:
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Post by: Houndhunter on June 14, 2009, 08:03:29 PM: ive called in elk with just bout anything, and i've been calling less then a third of how long most guys have. dont matter to me, my old man still uses orignal "cow talk" and larry jones bugle and does fine :chuckle:. i've got them to respond using a straw from a refill cup or even a howler too :chuckle:. i think i will now just carry a reed or two and a tube, finally learned how to bugle with a reed. but ive been using primos for the last 2 years and done pretty good and gettin into them :dunno:

i really think it all comes down to the guy whos calling, but having one of elknuts or rockys does make you "look" good :chuckle:
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Post by: Houndhunter on June 14, 2009, 08:05:43 PM: Quote from: PA BEN on June 14, 2009, 08:09:38 AM
I've heard some of the worst bugles coming from elk. But one thing most elk do, no mater how bad of a bugle they make is chop it off at the end of the bugle. I learned this from Larry D. Jones 22 yrs ago. Most hunters will peter it out. Hyper cow calls are good too. ;)

i coulda sworn there was a gorrila loose where i was hunting this year, but go figure when the damn thing poped out it were an elk :chuckle:
Title: Re: Bugle? Do you? and which one?
Post by: bow4elk on June 14, 2009, 08:36:54 PM: The key to diaphragm calls (mouth reeds) is finding one that fits well into the roof of your mouth, between your upper molars. Those with dental bridges and whatnot will have a tricky time. Mastering a diaphragm calls will provide you the most versatile and adaptable calling approach with elk, not to mention turkeys and predators as well. I use a mix of calls to keep things fresh and attempt to pique the interest of a bull looking for a certain sound.

I've spent years working and hunting with Larry D., and I can tell you that this man (Dwight Schuh as well) believes that he will get his bull each and every time he leaves camp. His attitude and approach of calling constantly into every nook and cranny produce results most never see. I too tend to reserve my bugling and calling until I find elk and can read the situation. Not Larry - he calls....and calls and calls and calls. And he calls in bulls! One evening we met up in camp and thought neither of us drew on a bull, he'd called in five more bulls than I had. He hunts all day and is constantly expecting to excite a bull into a response, no matter how quiet it may be on the mountain. He never gives up.

I don't think there is a magic formula or call that will make you look like BuckLucky this fall :chuckle: . We can dream big but even the best tag in the state won't put you behind a behemoth rack. Lots of guys eat precious tags every year. Instead you need to study elk, master your calling, know when to push and when to back off, hunt all day, and be willing to try new things in order to tip the odds in your favor.
Title: Re: Bugle? Do you? and which one?
Post by: WWSR on June 16, 2009, 09:24:13 AM: Anyone else use Deep Timber Sounds calls?

I like both the DTS Crying Hot Cow and Dominator bugle. Cheap and simple to use. Dominator uses a finger cot from the first aid kit instead of a proprietary reed like the blue one on my other bugle. The CHC is good for softer calling and replicates any age group in the herd but still doesn't replace my diaphragms completely.
Title: Re: Bugle? Do you? and which one?
Post by: sandythebowtotenmama on June 17, 2009, 01:20:34 PM: Last yr. during bow for elk, we used the primos cowgirl 1st., primos hoochie mama 2nd, and followed with the primos bugle and we called up a 5x5 to 11 yds., but didn't have a big bull tag:(
Title: Re: Bugle? Do you? and which one?
Post by: TikkaT3-270Shortmag on June 20, 2009, 10:01:55 AM: There is no such thing as a perfect bugle. It all depends on the attitude of the elk!!
Title: Re: Bugle? Do you? and which one?
Post by: blacktail luv on June 20, 2009, 02:34:35 PM: Personally I have a Abe and Sons bugle and I love the thing. I don't think it matters so much what bugle you have but how well you use it. I have seen two different guys blow the same bugle and get two completely different sounds. Practice a lot with whatever you choose and it will work. I did buy a deep timber bugle at a sportsman show because it sounded awesome when the owner of the company blew it. the thing was a pain in the ass in my opinion so i never used it, I am sure it only would have took practice to get good with it but I didn't stick it out.
Title: Re: Bugle? Do you? and which one?
Post by: Todd_ID on June 21, 2009, 12:08:15 AM: Quote from: bow4elk on June 14, 2009, 08:36:54 PM
The key to diaphragm calls (mouth reeds) is finding one that fits well into the roof of your mouth, between your upper molars. Those with dental bridges and whatnot will have a tricky time. Mastering a diaphragm calls will provide you the most versatile and adaptable calling approach with elk, not to mention turkeys and predators as well. I use a mix of calls to keep things fresh and attempt to pique the interest of a bull looking for a certain sound.

I've spent years working and hunting with Larry D., and I can tell you that this man (Dwight Schuh as well) believes that he will get his bull each and every time he leaves camp. His attitude and approach of calling constantly into every nook and cranny produce results most never see. I too tend to reserve my bugling and calling until I find elk and can read the situation. Not Larry - he calls....and calls and calls and calls. And he calls in bulls! One evening we met up in camp and thought neither of us drew on a bull, he'd called in five more bulls than I had. He hunts all day and is constantly expecting to excite a bull into a response, no matter how quiet it may be on the mountain. He never gives up.

I don't think there is a magic formula or call that will make you look like BuckLucky this fall :chuckle: . We can dream big but even the best tag in the state won't put you behind a behemoth rack. Lots of guys eat precious tags every year. Instead you need to study elk, master your calling, know when to push and when to back off, hunt all day, and be willing to try new things in order to tip the odds in your favor.

Good post with a ton of experience behind it!