Post by: Shooter4 on April 18, 2020, 09:12:59 AM
Post by: The scout on April 18, 2020, 09:44:15 AM
Post by: High Climber on April 18, 2020, 09:55:14 AM
Post by: buckfvr on April 18, 2020, 09:57:46 AM
Post by: jrebel on April 18, 2020, 09:59:43 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on April 18, 2020, 10:07:40 AM
Post by: mossback636 on April 18, 2020, 10:30:17 AM
Post by: HillHound on April 18, 2020, 10:31:57 AM
Post by: jrebel on April 18, 2020, 10:36:29 AM
This would solve the problem of the the shorter season for people who still wanted to give it a go for a weekend or two.
option #1: Get all your points back and don't hunt.
option #2: Hunt the restricted season and recoup a prorated amount of your points.
Post by: trophyhunt on April 18, 2020, 10:45:02 AM
Post by: jrebel on April 18, 2020, 10:48:06 AM
Great idea, you should email that to Wdfw and the commission.
I have sent it WDFW though that likely fell on deaf ears. I will forward it to the commissioners / commission.
Email sent to commission, director and wildlife division.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on April 18, 2020, 11:23:20 AM
If they open the season they already said they will let hunters decide if they would like to keep the permit and hunt or give it back and get their points back. That is plenty. :twocents:
Even if they dont open it till june 1 i am keeping that permit and hunting.
Post by: jrebel on April 18, 2020, 11:41:45 AM
IMO that is a ridiculous idea. Basically half of the spring bear season is nonproductive due to access issues and lack of bear activity.
If they open the season they already said they will let hunters decide if they would like to keep the permit and hunt or give it back and get their points back. That is plenty. :twocents:
Even if they dont open it till june 1 i am keeping that permit and hunting.
What is ridiculous about the idea. If they take away half the opportunity....regardless of what you believe is the most productive time to hunt....they should make point reinstatement reflective of opportunity and dates they set. Are you ok with them just cutting the season in half because "you" only like hunting the later half. Pretty selfish way of looking at it in my opinion. I have had bears on camera for the last 3 weeks (in the gmu I have a tag for)....and anyone who knows bears hunting knows the big boars come out earlier then the smaller boars, sows and cubs....so hunting early may give you a great shot at a big bore roaming looking or food or early love. :tup:
Post by: BULLBLASTER on April 18, 2020, 12:08:31 PM
IMO that is a ridiculous idea. Basically half of the spring bear season is nonproductive due to access issues and lack of bear activity.
If they open the season they already said they will let hunters decide if they would like to keep the permit and hunt or give it back and get their points back. That is plenty. :twocents:
Even if they dont open it till june 1 i am keeping that permit and hunting.
What is ridiculous about the idea. If they take away half the opportunity....regardless of what you believe is the most productive time to hunt....they should make point reinstatement reflective of opportunity and dates they set. Are you ok with them just cutting the season in half because "you" only like hunting the later half. Pretty selfish way of looking at it in my opinion. I have had bears on camera for the last 3 weeks (in the gmu I have a tag for)....and anyone who knows bears hunting knows the big boars come out earlier then the smaller boars, sows and cubs....so hunting early may give you a great shot at a big bore roaming looking or food or early love. :tup:
Yes, since i don't hunt until later in the season means i don't know anything about bears or bear hunting. Thanks for informing me.
If you feel like you missed out on your best chance to get the bear you want you should ask for your points back and forego the permit. If not keep the permit and hunt when you can.
Like i said i think they gave the best options they can and they are good options. They are giving you a choice and not asking for a decision yet.
I just dont think it meeds to be complicated even more by prorating the season length and then figuring out points to give back. They have better things to focus on. :twocents: :twocents:
Post by: trophyhunt on April 18, 2020, 12:32:42 PM
Post by: Timberstalker on April 18, 2020, 12:35:40 PM
Hunt it.
Post by: jrebel on April 18, 2020, 12:40:36 PM
IMO that is a ridiculous idea. Basically half of the spring bear season is nonproductive due to access issues and lack of bear activity.
If they open the season they already said they will let hunters decide if they would like to keep the permit and hunt or give it back and get their points back. That is plenty. :twocents:
Even if they dont open it till june 1 i am keeping that permit and hunting.
What is ridiculous about the idea. If they take away half the opportunity....regardless of what you believe is the most productive time to hunt....they should make point reinstatement reflective of opportunity and dates they set. Are you ok with them just cutting the season in half because "you" only like hunting the later half. Pretty selfish way of looking at it in my opinion. I have had bears on camera for the last 3 weeks (in the gmu I have a tag for)....and anyone who knows bears hunting knows the big boars come out earlier then the smaller boars, sows and cubs....so hunting early may give you a great shot at a big bore roaming looking or food or early love. :tup:
Yes, since i don't hunt until later in the season means i don't know anything about bears or bear hunting. Thanks for informing me.
If you feel like you missed out on your best chance to get the bear you want you should ask for your points back and forego the permit. If not keep the permit and hunt when you can.
Like i said i think they gave the best options they can and they are good options. They are giving you a choice and not asking for a decision yet.
I just dont think it meeds to be complicated even more by prorating the season length and then figuring out points to give back. They have better things to focus on. :twocents: :twocents:
I can see how WDFW may think halfing points for 700 lucky winners is a daunting task and how it may overwhelm them.....but really.....half of 2 is 1. half of 4 is 2 and so on. There most of the work is done for them. Why do you think hunters that drew that tag should be penalized with a shorter season.....or.....have half the season to hunt. This should not be a one or the other......maybe if our game department gave a darn about us they would have not shut down the season. Now that they have....they should say hunt what is left and we will make it right by you.....not "your screwed either way".
Post by: bobcat on April 18, 2020, 12:43:55 PM
Post by: jackelope on April 18, 2020, 12:46:19 PM
Half points?
Round up or round down? What’s fair to all the other guys who didn’t draw and didn’t get to hunt and only got 1 point regardless of whether they applied with 3 points or 8 points?
Devil’s advocate. I’m not near knowledgeable and don’t apply. Just thinking out loud.
Post by: KFhunter on April 18, 2020, 12:46:38 PM
They're not going to restore some of your points. They're just not. All or nothing.
:yeah: no since even discussing this as if it were even a remote possibility.
Post by: jrebel on April 18, 2020, 12:48:22 PM
Half of 3 is 1.5.
Half points?
Round up or round down? What’s fair to all the other guys who didn’t draw and didn’t get to hunt and only got 1 point regardless of whether they applied with 3 points or 8 points?
Devil’s advocate. I’m not near knowledgeable and don’t apply. Just thinking out loud.
round up like stated in my earlier post.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on April 18, 2020, 12:54:14 PM
IMO that is a ridiculous idea. Basically half of the spring bear season is nonproductive due to access issues and lack of bear activity.
If they open the season they already said they will let hunters decide if they would like to keep the permit and hunt or give it back and get their points back. That is plenty. :twocents:
Even if they dont open it till june 1 i am keeping that permit and hunting.
What is ridiculous about the idea. If they take away half the opportunity....regardless of what you believe is the most productive time to hunt....they should make point reinstatement reflective of opportunity and dates they set. Are you ok with them just cutting the season in half because "you" only like hunting the later half. Pretty selfish way of looking at it in my opinion. I have had bears on camera for the last 3 weeks (in the gmu I have a tag for)....and anyone who knows bears hunting knows the big boars come out earlier then the smaller boars, sows and cubs....so hunting early may give you a great shot at a big bore roaming looking or food or early love. :tup:
Yes, since i don't hunt until later in the season means i don't know anything about bears or bear hunting. Thanks for informing me.
If you feel like you missed out on your best chance to get the bear you want you should ask for your points back and forego the permit. If not keep the permit and hunt when you can.
Like i said i think they gave the best options they can and they are good options. They are giving you a choice and not asking for a decision yet.
I just dont think it meeds to be complicated even more by prorating the season length and then figuring out points to give back. They have better things to focus on. :twocents: :twocents:
I can see how WDFW may think halfing points for 700 lucky winners is a daunting task and how it may overwhelm them.....but really.....half of 2 is 1. half of 4 is 2 and so on. There most of the work is done for them. Why do you think hunters that drew that tag should be penalized with a shorter season.....or.....have half the season to hunt. This should not be a one or the other......maybe if our game department gave a darn about us they would have not shut down the season. Now that they have....they should say hunt what is left and we will make it right by you.....not "your screwed either way".
The choices they have given are far from “your screwed either way” its really as simple as a) you hunt, or b) you don't hunt and you get all your points back like you never drew. I really don't see that as “screwed” either way.
Ive always said that people put way too much value on their precious points in WA. most cases it is little more than a counter for how many years its been since you drew a hunt. But thats an entirely different subject.
Post by: jrebel on April 18, 2020, 12:56:42 PM
1. You get your points back and don't get to hunt......
2. You loose all your points but half half the season to hunt.....
Beings they made this mess (OK....Inslee did).....why not make right by the folks who drew. Hunt the remainder of the season.....1/2?? 1/4??? whatever it is and we will only take a percentage of your points. It is no hunters fault that Covid 19 caused this situation. It lies 100% on our state..WDFW..Inslee....and I just though ti would be nice if they considered a win win for hunters. Once in their excistance it could benefit hunters.
Just because there is 6 weeks left to hunt (hypothetical) doesn't mean a hunter can hunt the entire 6 weeks. Had there been 12 weeks to hunt a hunter may have had time to hunt a total of 6 weeks.....see the math here?? They are limiting time so why take all points for those who want to give it a go?? Heck successful bear hunters maybe lose their points in full. Again make it a win win and maybe people would have more faith in WDFW.
Post by: KFhunter on April 18, 2020, 12:59:16 PM
To be fair
Post by: jrebel on April 18, 2020, 01:06:44 PM
If you pro-rate the value of the season (April being less valuable than May or June) then you should really only get 1/8th of your points back, depending how deep into May it opens.
To be fair
For debate sake....why would April be less valuable than the other months?
Post by: Buzz2401 on April 18, 2020, 01:07:42 PM
Post by: jackelope on April 18, 2020, 01:52:20 PM
If you pro-rate the value of the season (April being less valuable than May or June) then you should really only get 1/8th of your points back, depending how deep into May it opens.
To be fair
For debate sake....why would April be less valuable than the other months?
Snow preventing access.
Relatively Inactive bears.
These may not be concerns in your specific area, but they are absolutely issues in April in other parts of the state.
Post by: jrebel on April 18, 2020, 02:01:22 PM
If you pro-rate the value of the season (April being less valuable than May or June) then you should really only get 1/8th of your points back, depending how deep into May it opens.
To be fair
For debate sake....why would April be less valuable than the other months?
Snow preventing access.
Relatively Inactive bears.
These may not be concerns in your specific area, but they are absolutely issues in April in other parts of the state.
That is not a good answer.....a day of hunting is a day of hunting period. To devalue a 24 hour day that the hunting regs has open over another is really silly. Again, do we think we should just ask WDFW to shut down the month of April for spring bear? I would argue that the early bears have nicer coats / hides so there is more value is an early hunt over the later rubbed bears. I like to eat the meat and save all my hides so hide condition matters. Again....to each their own but that argument doesn't hold water.
Your dollar in quarters is not worth as much as your dollar bill because it is harder to carry 20 dollars in quarters in your pocket than it is to carry a 20 dollar bill......LOLOL Maybe a bad analogy, but you get where i'm going.
Post by: Jonathan_S on April 18, 2020, 02:04:31 PM
Post by: KFhunter on April 18, 2020, 02:04:37 PM
Post by: jrebel on April 18, 2020, 02:07:19 PM
I was just throwing mud in your water :tung:
I figured as much.
Post by: jackelope on April 18, 2020, 02:17:56 PM
Post by: jackelope on April 18, 2020, 02:19:37 PM
If you pro-rate the value of the season (April being less valuable than May or June) then you should really only get 1/8th of your points back, depending how deep into May it opens.
To be fair
For debate sake....why would April be less valuable than the other months?
Snow preventing access.
Relatively Inactive bears.
These may not be concerns in your specific area, but they are absolutely issues in April in other parts of the state.
That is not a good answer.....a day of hunting is a day of hunting period. To devalue a 24 hour day that the hunting regs has open over another is really silly. Again, do we think we should just ask WDFW to shut down the month of April for spring bear? I would argue that the early bears have nicer coats / hides so there is more value is an early hunt over the later rubbed bears. I like to eat the meat and save all my hides so hide condition matters. Again....to each their own but that argument doesn't hold water.
Your dollar in quarters is not worth as much as your dollar bill because it is harder to carry 20 dollars in quarters in your pocket than it is to carry a 20 dollar bill......LOLOL Maybe a bad analogy, but you get where i'm going.
Is a day of hunting really a day of hunting when there is 4’ of snow on the ground and you can’t access the GMU you have a tag in? I mean I guess you could say it’s hunting but I’d call that a waste of time, even if the worst day of hunting is better than the best day at work.
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Post by: KFhunter on April 18, 2020, 02:42:56 PM
I haven’t been following anything as closely. Is may 18th a likely opener for spring bear and turkey?
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$1000 dollar question right there, we don't know.
It's speculation (and I'm not sure what that speculation is based off)
Post by: Bango skank on April 18, 2020, 03:00:40 PM
If you pro-rate the value of the season (April being less valuable than May or June) then you should really only get 1/8th of your points back, depending how deep into May it opens.
To be fair
For debate sake....why would April be less valuable than the other months?
Snow preventing access.
Relatively Inactive bears.
These may not be concerns in your specific area, but they are absolutely issues in April in other parts of the state.
That is not a good answer.....a day of hunting is a day of hunting period. To devalue a 24 hour day that the hunting regs has open over another is really silly. Again, do we think we should just ask WDFW to shut down the month of April for spring bear? I would argue that the early bears have nicer coats / hides so there is more value is an early hunt over the later rubbed bears. I like to eat the meat and save all my hides so hide condition matters. Again....to each their own but that argument doesn't hold water.
Your dollar in quarters is not worth as much as your dollar bill because it is harder to carry 20 dollars in quarters in your pocket than it is to carry a 20 dollar bill......LOLOL Maybe a bad analogy, but you get where i'm going.
Is a day of hunting really a day of hunting when there is 4’ of snow on the ground and you can’t access the GMU you have a tag in? I mean I guess you could say it’s hunting but I’d call that a waste of time, even if the worst day of hunting is better than the best day at work.
The best spring bear hotspots i know of are still a bust due to mud and snow. Not to mention a general lack of bear activity this early. Some are out, but your options of where to hunt are very limited right now.
Post by: buckfvr on April 18, 2020, 03:06:40 PM
I haven’t been following anything as closely. Is may 18th a likely opener for spring bear and turkey?
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$1000 dollar question right there, we don't know.
It's speculation (and I'm not sure what that speculation is based off)
Its based of impatience, boredom, etc.
Post by: KFhunter on April 18, 2020, 03:07:46 PM
If you pro-rate the value of the season (April being less valuable than May or June) then you should really only get 1/8th of your points back, depending how deep into May it opens.
To be fair
For debate sake....why would April be less valuable than the other months?
Snow preventing access.
Relatively Inactive bears.
These may not be concerns in your specific area, but they are absolutely issues in April in other parts of the state.
That is not a good answer.....a day of hunting is a day of hunting period. To devalue a 24 hour day that the hunting regs has open over another is really silly. Again, do we think we should just ask WDFW to shut down the month of April for spring bear? I would argue that the early bears have nicer coats / hides so there is more value is an early hunt over the later rubbed bears. I like to eat the meat and save all my hides so hide condition matters. Again....to each their own but that argument doesn't hold water.
Your dollar in quarters is not worth as much as your dollar bill because it is harder to carry 20 dollars in quarters in your pocket than it is to carry a 20 dollar bill......LOLOL Maybe a bad analogy, but you get where i'm going.
Is a day of hunting really a day of hunting when there is 4’ of snow on the ground and you can’t access the GMU you have a tag in? I mean I guess you could say it’s hunting but I’d call that a waste of time, even if the worst day of hunting is better than the best day at work.
The best spring bear hotspots i know of are still a bust due to mud and snow. Not to mention a general lack of bear activity this early. Some are out, but your options of where to hunt are very limited right now.
tracked ATV would be awesome about now cruising for boar tracks, who are cruising for sows...
Post by: jrebel on April 18, 2020, 03:11:06 PM
Post by: dmoua on April 18, 2020, 03:44:13 PM
Post by: pashok23 on April 18, 2020, 06:13:46 PM
From my experience hunting before the 15th of May for spring bear is more of a hike then anything else. It just starts to get good around that time id definitely be hunting:yeah: Thats when i usually go on my MT spring bear hunt. Hope MT opens for nonresidents.
Post by: follow maggie on April 18, 2020, 08:26:30 PM
Post by: hunter399 on April 19, 2020, 02:01:49 AM
Post by: Onewhohikes on April 19, 2020, 07:03:56 AM
Post by: Rainier10 on April 19, 2020, 07:19:26 AM
They have record of all permit holders and what order they drew permits. They also have record of who finished just behind those lucky winners.
They could have made you decide before April 1st if you were hunting and offered the returned tags to those that were next on the list to draw.
I am sure that there are many that would give up their points for a shortened season.
Post by: hunter399 on April 19, 2020, 09:26:16 AM
Now as it stands in sure at least a handful 5-10 people have already got there points back and will go into next year's draw with there points.
May 4 when the big extended stay at home order comes in .
Who knows how many will be frustrated,disappointed,or just done with it.
If you wanted to draw next year ,you should of supported the season opening this year.
The same scenario could play out with fall permit season .
The ultimate point creep and lower odds then before.
Post by: Gunsmoke on April 21, 2020, 01:03:49 PM
I haven’t been following anything as closely. Is may 18th a likely opener for spring bear and turkey?UW study says we need to stay shutdown until the 18th
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Post by: coachcw on April 21, 2020, 06:20:06 PM
Post by: grundy53 on April 21, 2020, 06:25:19 PM
If they can open Farmers markets they sure as hell can open hunting ...that's just criminal. goes to show where sportsman stand in the governments mind here in washington.Agreed
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Post by: follow maggie on April 22, 2020, 12:44:39 PM
If they can open Farmers markets they sure as hell can open hunting ...that's just criminal. goes to show where sportsman stand in the governments mind here in washington.
truth
Post by: Stein on April 22, 2020, 01:49:53 PM
Having the waters and woods open to EVERYONE except hunters and fishermen is what is wrong in my mind. Not counting state land which is uniformly closed, we are the only recreational group that is restricted. Close it all or open it all, but treat all recreation equally.
Post by: MooseZ25 on April 22, 2020, 02:04:17 PM
Post by: hunter399 on April 24, 2020, 06:20:48 AM
I'm thinking this is the problem with any type of reopening seasons,fishing,Turkey,bear, is a doctor is in charge instead of the governor. :twocents:I haven’t been following anything as closely. Is may 18th a likely opener for spring bear and turkey?UW study says we need to stay shutdown until the 18th
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Post by: follow maggie on April 24, 2020, 12:55:16 PM
Post by: Shooter4 on April 24, 2020, 12:59:46 PM
Post by: Shooter4 on April 24, 2020, 01:01:44 PM