Post by: ucwarden on April 25, 2020, 09:34:55 AM
https://www.foxnews.com/us/washington-coronavirus-protest-inslee-stay-at-home?fbclid=IwAR1RLDW6SejczsOlBn6a3As_CgFJoGH7-5FjXUzjUzI0tZuIWU_q_d06VcAIn (https://www.foxnews.com/us/washington-coronavirus-protest-inslee-stay-at-home?fbclid=IwAR1RLDW6SejczsOlBn6a3As_CgFJoGH7-5FjXUzjUzI0tZuIWU_q_d06VcAIn)
In later interviews, Sutherland tried to walk back his comments by saying he meant "A revolution of love", showing this coward doesn't even have the fortitude to stand by his statements.
No matter your stance on opening the state back up, please show your support for WDFW officers by contacting the representative and voicing your opinion:
Representative Robert Sutherland
405 John L. O'Brien Building
P.O. Box 40600
Olympia, WA 98504-0600
robert.sutherland@leg.wa.gov
Post by: trophyhunt on April 25, 2020, 09:42:49 AM
Post by: ucwarden on April 25, 2020, 09:44:57 AM
Good to see you on here, been a while.
I know. Have some issues to deal with, but I still could have kept up on the forum. No excuses, just an explanation.
Post by: trophyhunt on April 25, 2020, 09:50:51 AM
Post by: jrebel on April 25, 2020, 09:56:14 AM
On April 19th, at a protest over the "stay at home" order in Washington, Washington State Senator Robert Sutherland (Snohomish County, WA) made an outrageous statement to the crowd. Referring to the WA Dept. of Fish and Wildlife's decision to temporarily close hunting and fishing, Representative Sutherland called for the protesters to revolt against WDFW officers by saying; if the state sends its “goons with guns, we will defend ourselves.” “Governor, you send men with guns after us when we go fishing, we’ll see what a revolution looks like,” Sutherland said.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/washington-coronavirus-protest-inslee-stay-at-home?fbclid=IwAR1RLDW6SejczsOlBn6a3As_CgFJoGH7-5FjXUzjUzI0tZuIWU_q_d06VcAIn (https://www.foxnews.com/us/washington-coronavirus-protest-inslee-stay-at-home?fbclid=IwAR1RLDW6SejczsOlBn6a3As_CgFJoGH7-5FjXUzjUzI0tZuIWU_q_d06VcAIn)
In later interviews, Sutherland tried to walk back his comments by saying he meant "A revolution of love", showing this coward doesn't even have the fortitude to stand by his statements.
No matter your stance on opening the state back up, please show your support for WDFW officers by contacting the representative and voicing your opinion:
Representative Robert Sutherland
405 John L. O'Brien Building
P.O. Box 40600
Olympia, WA 98504-0600
robert.sutherland@leg.wa.gov
Regardless of whether you agree or disagree with what was said....(I disagree fundamentally) I think the point he was trying to make is...people are tired of the bullpoop. WDFW can influence the governors decision....yet they don't.
You also have to remember there are quite a few of us on here that have negative interactions with WDFW officers while doing everything right. They have a made their bed and now they don't like laying in it....maybe they will learn to be a little nicer in the future and garner the trust of sportsmen and women.
I don't agree with what was said....but I will not support a dept. that has continually made bad decisions. Until the wardens start representing themselves as advocates for the sport and sportsmen and women.....they will not get my support. I was guilty until proven innocent....and even when I proved my innocence (in about 2 minutes on the phone), I never got a "I'm Sorry." Two years later I meet the guy face to face at a local function and he acts like my best friend.....get real buddy. I hope he learned a lesson. I have a clean record in all aspects of my life and he treated me like a criminal, abused his perceived power when interacting with a minor (my daughter) and admitted to having me pegged as guilty before knowing the facts. People are tired of this kind of shat, so it is no wonder the WDFW is catching so much flack durring this shutdown. :bash: :bash: :bash:
Post by: ucwarden on April 25, 2020, 10:04:34 AM
Sorry this is off topic, but I still tell people about your book and that investigation, epic! And I believe everyone should read it!! You still selling Operation Cody?Thanks. The book is still available on Amazon
Post by: Special T on April 25, 2020, 10:09:53 AM
If you got brass balls go fish doing everything else legal then fight the ticket in court. That would do more for everyone.
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Post by: ucwarden on April 25, 2020, 10:34:27 AM
On April 19th, at a protest over the "stay at home" order in Washington, Washington State Senator Robert Sutherland (Snohomish County, WA) made an outrageous statement to the crowd. Referring to the WA Dept. of Fish and Wildlife's decision to temporarily close hunting and fishing, Representative Sutherland called for the protesters to revolt against WDFW officers by saying; if the state sends its “goons with guns, we will defend ourselves.” “Governor, you send men with guns after us when we go fishing, we’ll see what a revolution looks like,” Sutherland said.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/washington-coronavirus-protest-inslee-stay-at-home?fbclid=IwAR1RLDW6SejczsOlBn6a3As_CgFJoGH7-5FjXUzjUzI0tZuIWU_q_d06VcAIn (https://www.foxnews.com/us/washington-coronavirus-protest-inslee-stay-at-home?fbclid=IwAR1RLDW6SejczsOlBn6a3As_CgFJoGH7-5FjXUzjUzI0tZuIWU_q_d06VcAIn)
In later interviews, Sutherland tried to walk back his comments by saying he meant "A revolution of love", showing this coward doesn't even have the fortitude to stand by his statements.
No matter your stance on opening the state back up, please show your support for WDFW officers by contacting the representative and voicing your opinion:
Representative Robert Sutherland
405 John L. O'Brien Building
P.O. Box 40600
Olympia, WA 98504-0600
robert.sutherland@leg.wa.gov
Regardless of whether you agree or disagree with what was said....(I disagree fundamentally) I think the point he was trying to make is...people are tired of the bullpoop. WDFW can influence the governors decision....yet they don't.
You also have to remember there are quite a few of us on here that have negative interactions with WDFW officers while doing everything right. They have a made their bed and now they don't like laying in it....maybe they will learn to be a little nicer in the future and garner the trust of sportsmen and women.
I don't agree with what was said....but I will not support a dept. that has continually made bad decisions. Until the wardens start representing themselves as advocates for the sport and sportsmen and women.....they will not get my support. I was guilty until proven innocent....and even when I proved my innocence (in about 2 minutes on the phone), I never got a "I'm Sorry." Two years later I meet the guy face to face at a local function and he acts like my best friend.....get real buddy. I hope he learned a lesson. I have a clean record in all aspects of my life and he treated me like a criminal, abused his perceived power when interacting with a minor (my daughter) and admitted to having me pegged as guilty before knowing the facts. People are tired of this kind of shat, so it is no wonder the WDFW is catching so much flack durring this shutdown.
jrebel:
I respect everyone's right to express their opinions, as you just did, however there is simply no excuse or explanation for calling on sportsmen to resist the lawful duties of law enforcement officers. Also, for a state representative to call law enforcement officers "goons" is totally unprofessional and degrading.
Your response is one I heard all of my career; "You guys are all #$%#" or "Every game warden I ever met was rude and was on a power trip" etc. etc. By making comments like that you are lumping all of us into one category. Because you don't agree with something WDFW does, it's all the employees fault. Game Wardens are just like everyone else; there are good ones and bad ones, positive ones and negative ones, we are all just people. Whatever you do for a living, I am pretty sure that if I lumped you in with everyone else who has a similar profession, you would object, so what makes you think it's fair to judge an entire group based on your experience with one individual?
As for F&W officers not acting as advocates for "the sport the sportsmen and women", that too is a ridiculous statement. How do you know what F&W officers have or have not done when it comes to being advocates for sportsmen? Additionally, remember that because you don't see something change the way you want it to, does not mean WDFW employees weren't trying as hard as they could behind the scenes.
In the past, I have certainly had my share of differences with the administration of my former agency. I stood up for you, your fellow sportsmen, and the fine officers of WDFW to the point that it did serious damage to my career (ask around). I am an avid hunter and fisherman, and so is my wife, so for someone to imply I haven't done enough for sportsmen kinda chaps my hide (yes I know you didn't fault me directly). In my 34-years as a WA game warden, I have been hospitalized more than once as a result of being assaulted by wanted felons, and I lost a friend and colleague to a poacher's bullet. So, other than posting negative comments on here, what have you done to further your cause? When did you last attend a WDFW commission meeting? When was the last time you expressed your opinions to WDFW in written form?
In closing jrebel, I look forward to hearing from you in the future and do appreciate your at least paying attention to this post, but please don't lump us all together. The men and women who serve as WDFW enforcement officers are some of the finest people I have ever had the honor to meet.
Someday, if you want to talk in person, give me a call: Todd Vandivert- (509) 202-3150
Stay safe
Post by: ucwarden on April 25, 2020, 10:36:31 AM
It is ALWAYS a bad idea to mess with someone with a badge and gun. That is a good way to die a martyr and accomplish nothing.
If you got brass balls go fish doing everything else legal then fight the ticket in court. That would do more for everyone.
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Thank you special T, for saying what I have for decades; if you want to fight with an officer (of any kind) do so only in court.
Post by: Pegasus on April 25, 2020, 10:48:58 AM
Post by: Igor on April 25, 2020, 10:57:00 AM
Yup. Representative Robert Sutherland crossed the line a bit but quickly walked it back. The non-violent protest was about the Governor and the WDFW's failures. Rather than waste your time contacting Representative Robert Sutherland for someone's agenda, do something more constructive and contact Jay, everyone in the WA Congress and the top of the WDFW and tell them to open hunting and fishing. No more lame excuses. The science is out. Sunlight kills the virus and you don't have to drink bleach for the cure.
"Crossed the line a bit.....". I would call that a GROSS UNDERSTATEMENT !! Sutherland was advocating forcefully resisting law enforcement officers who were doing their job.
Post by: ucwarden on April 25, 2020, 11:04:41 AM
Yup. Representative Robert Sutherland crossed the line a bit but quickly walked it back. The non-violent protest was about the Governor and the WDFW's failures. Rather than waste your time contacting Representative Robert Sutherland for someone's agenda, do something more constructive and contact Jay, everyone in the WA Congress and the top of the WDFW and tell them to open hunting and fishing. No more lame excuses. The science is out. Sunlight kills the virus and you don't have to drink bleach for the cure.
Pegasus:
Thank you for your response, but it brings up one point I would disagree with and one question; First, I think Sutherland's comments go far beyond being a bit over the line, and I in no way believe he "quickly walked it back" just because Sutherland later said he meant a "revolution of love", I think that's total BS. The question, which your response brought up is, whose "agenda" are you referring to?
Post by: Tbar on April 25, 2020, 11:06:00 AM
Post by: ucwarden on April 25, 2020, 11:06:21 AM
I couldn't agree more Igor. ThanksYup. Representative Robert Sutherland crossed the line a bit but quickly walked it back. The non-violent protest was about the Governor and the WDFW's failures. Rather than waste your time contacting Representative Robert Sutherland for someone's agenda, do something more constructive and contact Jay, everyone in the WA Congress and the top of the WDFW and tell them to open hunting and fishing. No more lame excuses. The science is out. Sunlight kills the virus and you don't have to drink bleach for the cure.
"Crossed the line a bit.....". I would call that a GROSS UNDERSTATEMENT !! Sutherland was advocating forcefully resisting law enforcement officers who were doing their job.
Post by: ucwarden on April 25, 2020, 11:07:47 AM
I will also adress the public safety committee with a letter. I was literally speechless at his comments.
Thank you Tbar. I appreciate your support, as I am sure every WDFW officer does.
Post by: Pegasus on April 25, 2020, 11:28:00 AM
Yup. Representative Robert Sutherland crossed the line a bit but quickly walked it back. The non-violent protest was about the Governor and the WDFW's failures. Rather than waste your time contacting Representative Robert Sutherland for someone's agenda, do something more constructive and contact Jay, everyone in the WA Congress and the top of the WDFW and tell them to open hunting and fishing. No more lame excuses. The science is out. Sunlight kills the virus and you don't have to drink bleach for the cure.
Pegasus:
Thank you for your response, but it brings up one point I would disagree with and one question; First, I think Sutherland's comments go far beyond being a bit over the line, and I in no way believe he "quickly walked it back" just because Sutherland later said he meant a "revolution of love", I think that's total BS. The question, which your response brought up is, whose "agenda" are you referring to?
What agenda? This is a political agenda against a Republican. I don't endorse his remarks but the big picture is that people are tired of the nonsense involved in the stopping of fishing and hunting and the protests at least get some attention to the problem. It would be nice to see the rank and file WDFW officers join the peaceful protests but we know that ain't happening. Rather than send an individual an email that you have chosen to harass in a public way to deflect from the real travesty which is the ridiculous closing of our public lands and hunting and fishing, time can be better spend trying to eliminate the source of problem by contacting Jay, Congress and those at the top of the WDFW. Using Representative Robert Sutherland as a straw man is an agenda to lead the sheeple away from the big truth, that Jay Inslee is an idiot and should be recalled.
Post by: Bob33 on April 25, 2020, 11:28:05 AM
If nothing else the COVID19 pandemic has revealed the true colors of quite a few people.
Post by: Tbar on April 25, 2020, 11:30:45 AM
Post by: Tbar on April 25, 2020, 11:34:37 AM
The source of the shutdown is influenced by health departments in some of the Republican strongholds throughout the state.Yup. Representative Robert Sutherland crossed the line a bit but quickly walked it back. The non-violent protest was about the Governor and the WDFW's failures. Rather than waste your time contacting Representative Robert Sutherland for someone's agenda, do something more constructive and contact Jay, everyone in the WA Congress and the top of the WDFW and tell them to open hunting and fishing. No more lame excuses. The science is out. Sunlight kills the virus and you don't have to drink bleach for the cure.
Pegasus:
Thank you for your response, but it brings up one point I would disagree with and one question; First, I think Sutherland's comments go far beyond being a bit over the line, and I in no way believe he "quickly walked it back" just because Sutherland later said he meant a "revolution of love", I think that's total BS. The question, which your response brought up is, whose "agenda" are you referring to?
What agenda? This is a political agenda against a Republican. I don't endorse his remarks but the big picture is that people are tired of the nonsense involved in the stopping of fishing and hunting and the protests at least get some attention to the problem. It would be nice to see the rank and file WDFW officers join the peaceful protests but we know that ain't happening. Rather than send an individual an email that you have chosen to harass in a public way to deflect from the real travesty which is the ridiculous closing of our public lands and hunting and fishing, time can be better spend trying to eliminate the source of problem by contacting Jay, Congress and those at the top of the WDFW. Using Representative Robert Sutherland as a straw man is an agenda to lead the sheeple away from the big truth, that Jay Inslee is an idiot and should be recalled.
Post by: jay.sharkbait on April 25, 2020, 11:39:05 AM
The source of the shutdown is influenced by health departments in some of the Republican strongholds throughout the state.Yup. Representative Robert Sutherland crossed the line a bit but quickly walked it back. The non-violent protest was about the Governor and the WDFW's failures. Rather than waste your time contacting Representative Robert Sutherland for someone's agenda, do something more constructive and contact Jay, everyone in the WA Congress and the top of the WDFW and tell them to open hunting and fishing. No more lame excuses. The science is out. Sunlight kills the virus and you don't have to drink bleach for the cure.
Pegasus:
Thank you for your response, but it brings up one point I would disagree with and one question; First, I think Sutherland's comments go far beyond being a bit over the line, and I in no way believe he "quickly walked it back" just because Sutherland later said he meant a "revolution of love", I think that's total BS. The question, which your response brought up is, whose "agenda" are you referring to?
What agenda? This is a political agenda against a Republican. I don't endorse his remarks but the big picture is that people are tired of the nonsense involved in the stopping of fishing and hunting and the protests at least get some attention to the problem. It would be nice to see the rank and file WDFW officers join the peaceful protests but we know that ain't happening. Rather than send an individual an email that you have chosen to harass in a public way to deflect from the real travesty which is the ridiculous closing of our public lands and hunting and fishing, time can be better spend trying to eliminate the source of problem by contacting Jay, Congress and those at the top of the WDFW. Using Representative Robert Sutherland as a straw man is an agenda to lead the sheeple away from the big truth, that Jay Inslee is an idiot and should be recalled.
So are you saying King, Pierce and Snohomish county health depts aren’t advocating for the shutdown?
Post by: Tbar on April 25, 2020, 11:50:25 AM
Post by: ucwarden on April 25, 2020, 11:59:20 AM
I did not ask what agenda, I asked whose agenda? You say this is a political agenda against a Republican. I assume the "this" you are referring to is my attempts to rally people to support F&W officers. Who is it you think is conspiring against republicans...me? Not that it matters at all here, but I have been a lifelong Republican, but that doesn't mean I give all Republicans a free pass, for their behavior, when they are in the wrong. Sutherland was clearly in the wrong with his comments, and I can't believe anyone sees it any other way.Yup. Representative Robert Sutherland crossed the line a bit but quickly walked it back. The non-violent protest was about the Governor and the WDFW's failures. Rather than waste your time contacting Representative Robert Sutherland for someone's agenda, do something more constructive and contact Jay, everyone in the WA Congress and the top of the WDFW and tell them to open hunting and fishing. No more lame excuses. The science is out. Sunlight kills the virus and you don't have to drink bleach for the cure.
Pegasus:
Thank you for your response, but it brings up one point I would disagree with and one question; First, I think Sutherland's comments go far beyond being a bit over the line, and I in no way believe he "quickly walked it back" just because Sutherland later said he meant a "revolution of love", I think that's total BS. The question, which your response brought up is, whose "agenda" are you referring to?
What agenda? This is a political agenda against a Republican. I don't endorse his remarks but the big picture is that people are tired of the nonsense involved in the stopping of fishing and hunting and the protests at least get some attention to the problem. It would be nice to see the rank and file WDFW officers join the peaceful protests but we know that ain't happening. Rather than send an individual an email that you have chosen to harass in a public way to deflect from the real travesty which is the ridiculous closing of our public lands and hunting and fishing, time can be better spend trying to eliminate the source of problem by contacting Jay, Congress and those at the top of the WDFW. Using Representative Robert Sutherland as a straw man is an agenda to lead the sheeple away from the big truth, that Jay Inslee is an idiot and should be recalled.
Also, once again you make a false assumption when you state; "It would be nice to see the rank and file WDFW officers join the peaceful protests but we know that ain't happening." Perhaps you don't understand that officers are not allowed to go attend any event in uniform and on-duty just because they want to. To attend such an event, WDFW officers needed to be off-duty and out of uniform, unless they were assigned to such a gathering. So unless you know each and every WDFW officer by sight, you really have no idea of how many of us were there, do you?
You have totally gone off topic here, as this was not meant to be a discussion about the validity of the closures, but rather a conversation about threatening remarks made by an elected official towards law enforcement officers. I began this thread by saying "No matter your stance on opening the state back up, please show your support for WDFW officers by contacting the representative and voicing your opinion." I don't believe you will get many people on this forum to say they agree with continuing the shutdown at this time, but that was not at all my point.
I personally am not a fan of Governor Inslee's, but again this was not meant to be a discussion about politics, but rather of courtesy, respect, and the safety of law enforcement officers.
Post by: Pegasus on April 25, 2020, 12:03:13 PM
I'm saying Sutherland would have been far better suited educating himself in regards to the entire situation. Instead he attacked the resource protectors (which probably were his supporters). Reality would not have provided him opportunity publicly stroke his ego. That moment of Sutherlands ego stroking will have longstanding repercussions.
Especially if you make a huge mountain out of a molehill which Inslee and the media have done. Inslee has declared that this protest was rebellion and blamed Trump for inciting the protest. Orangeman bad, Jay wonderful.
Post by: ucwarden on April 25, 2020, 12:08:00 PM
Agree or not with the closure, that comment is completely inappropriate from an elected official.Isn't that the truth?
If nothing else the COVID19 pandemic has revealed the true colors of quite a few people.
Post by: ucwarden on April 25, 2020, 12:12:35 PM
I'm saying Sutherland would have been far better suited educating himself in regards to the entire situation. Instead he attacked the resource protectors (which probably were his supporters). Reality would not have provided him opportunity publicly stroke his ego. That moment of Sutherlands ego stroking will have longstanding repercussions.
Especially if you make a huge mountain out of a molehill which Inslee and the media have done. Inslee has declared that this protest was rebellion and blamed Trump for inciting the protest. Orangeman bad, Jay wonderful.
Pegasus: Perhaps your discussions regarding the politics of the Covid-19 closure would be a better fit in forum topic: WDFW Considering closing hunting and fishing for the year!!!!!!!!
Post by: Igor on April 25, 2020, 12:16:44 PM
Agree or not with the closure, that comment is completely inappropriate from an elected official.
If nothing else the COVID19 pandemic has revealed the true colors of quite a few people.
I guess what is most disheartening to me is how many people believe that their "rights" (which are actually privileges) are more important than anyone else's rights. They are willing to go to the mat in order to exercise those privileges, and everyone else be damned. Guess it's just a commentary on our society as a whole.
Post by: Pegasus on April 25, 2020, 12:21:52 PM
I realize there are rules to protect the higher ups against the rank and file making their leaders look stupid by joining into the protests in uniform. That is why I said "it ain't going to happen". Capiche? I also know that teachers agree not to strike every year in their contracts and yet they strike every time their contract is up. How is that? We have seen LEO's join into many situations when they grow tired of their leaders doing stupid things. We don't see that happening here, do we? I am pretty sure that no one at the rally took Sutherland at his comments as being a real call to violence. If it had been an uncontrolled kegger, than maybe. As I have stated I don't agree with his statements which he has withdrawn. I also don't agree with you trying to highlight someone who got carried away in his rhetoric by harassing him personally.
Post by: Igor on April 25, 2020, 12:25:51 PM
"Perhaps you don't understand that officers are not allowed to go attend any event in uniform and on-duty just because they want to. To attend such an event, WDFW officers needed to be off-duty and out of uniform, unless they were assigned to such a gathering. So unless you know each and every WDFW officer by sight, you really have no idea of how many of us were there, do you?"
I realize there are rules to protect the higher ups against the rank and file making their leaders look stupid by joining into the protests in uniform. That is why I said "it ain't going to happen". Capiche? I also know that teachers agree not to strike every year in their contracts and yet they strike every time their contract is up. How is that? We have seen LEO's join into many situations when they grow tired of their leaders doing stupid things. We don't see that happening here, do we? I am pretty sure that no one at the rally took Sutherland at his comments as being a real call to violence. If it had been an uncontrolled kegger, than maybe. As I have stated I don't agree with his statements which he has withdrawn. I also don't agree with you trying to highlight someone who got carried away in his rhetoric by harassing him personally.
You honestly do not believe that an elected official who publicly promises a revolution (possibly an armed one) should be held accountable?
Post by: Pegasus on April 25, 2020, 12:27:21 PM
I'm saying Sutherland would have been far better suited educating himself in regards to the entire situation. Instead he attacked the resource protectors (which probably were his supporters). Reality would not have provided him opportunity publicly stroke his ego. That moment of Sutherlands ego stroking will have longstanding repercussions.
Especially if you make a huge mountain out of a molehill which Inslee and the media have done. Inslee has declared that this protest was rebellion and blamed Trump for inciting the protest. Orangeman bad, Jay wonderful.
Pegasus: Perhaps your discussions regarding the politics of the Covid-19 closure would be a better fit in forum topic: WDFW Considering closing hunting and fishing for the year!!!!!!!!
Maybe you should not post things that are meant to harm a specific individual. What's next? Posting his home address and his family's names?
Post by: Pegasus on April 25, 2020, 12:31:21 PM
"Perhaps you don't understand that officers are not allowed to go attend any event in uniform and on-duty just because they want to. To attend such an event, WDFW officers needed to be off-duty and out of uniform, unless they were assigned to such a gathering. So unless you know each and every WDFW officer by sight, you really have no idea of how many of us were there, do you?"
I realize there are rules to protect the higher ups against the rank and file making their leaders look stupid by joining into the protests in uniform. That is why I said "it ain't going to happen". Capiche? I also know that teachers agree not to strike every year in their contracts and yet they strike every time their contract is up. How is that? We have seen LEO's join into many situations when they grow tired of their leaders doing stupid things. We don't see that happening here, do we? I am pretty sure that no one at the rally took Sutherland at his comments as being a real call to violence. If it had been an uncontrolled kegger, than maybe. As I have stated I don't agree with his statements which he has withdrawn. I also don't agree with you trying to highlight someone who got carried away in his rhetoric by harassing him personally.
You honestly do not believe that an elected official who publicly promises a revolution (possibly an armed one) should be held accountable?
It seems to me that many Democrats have been publicly calling for a revolution against Trump. Ever hear of the Resistance that tried to destroy him? The Resistance is alive and well in Western Washington. Jay just doesn't like the tables turned where he is spotlighted.
Post by: jrebel on April 25, 2020, 12:32:31 PM
Jrebel:On April 19th, at a protest over the "stay at home" order in Washington, Washington State Senator Robert Sutherland (Snohomish County, WA) made an outrageous statement to the crowd. Referring to the WA Dept. of Fish and Wildlife's decision to temporarily close hunting and fishing, Representative Sutherland called for the protesters to revolt against WDFW officers by saying; if the state sends its “goons with guns, we will defend ourselves.” “Governor, you send men with guns after us when we go fishing, we’ll see what a revolution looks like,” Sutherland said.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/washington-coronavirus-protest-inslee-stay-at-home?fbclid=IwAR1RLDW6SejczsOlBn6a3As_CgFJoGH7-5FjXUzjUzI0tZuIWU_q_d06VcAIn (https://www.foxnews.com/us/washington-coronavirus-protest-inslee-stay-at-home?fbclid=IwAR1RLDW6SejczsOlBn6a3As_CgFJoGH7-5FjXUzjUzI0tZuIWU_q_d06VcAIn)
In later interviews, Sutherland tried to walk back his comments by saying he meant "A revolution of love", showing this coward doesn't even have the fortitude to stand by his statements.
No matter your stance on opening the state back up, please show your support for WDFW officers by contacting the representative and voicing your opinion:
Representative Robert Sutherland
405 John L. O'Brien Building
P.O. Box 40600
Olympia, WA 98504-0600
robert.sutherland@leg.wa.gov
Regardless of whether you agree or disagree with what was said....(I disagree fundamentally) I think the point he was trying to make is...people are tired of the bullpoop. WDFW can influence the governors decision....yet they don't.
You also have to remember there are quite a few of us on here that have negative interactions with WDFW officers while doing everything right. They have a made their bed and now they don't like laying in it....maybe they will learn to be a little nicer in the future and garner the trust of sportsmen and women.
I don't agree with what was said....but I will not support a dept. that has continually made bad decisions. Until the wardens start representing themselves as advocates for the sport and sportsmen and women.....they will not get my support. I was guilty until proven innocent....and even when I proved my innocence (in about 2 minutes on the phone), I never got a "I'm Sorry." Two years later I meet the guy face to face at a local function and he acts like my best friend.....get real buddy. I hope he learned a lesson. I have a clean record in all aspects of my life and he treated me like a criminal, abused his perceived power when interacting with a minor (my daughter) and admitted to having me pegged as guilty before knowing the facts. People are tired of this kind of shat, so it is no wonder the WDFW is catching so much flack durring this shutdown. :bash: :bash: :bash:
I respect everyone's right to voice their opinions (such as you just did), but there is simply no excuse or explanation which would justify telling people toOn April 19th, at a protest over the "stay at home" order in Washington, Washington State Senator Robert Sutherland (Snohomish County, WA) made an outrageous statement to the crowd. Referring to the WA Dept. of Fish and Wildlife's decision to temporarily close hunting and fishing, Representative Sutherland called for the protesters to revolt against WDFW officers by saying; if the state sends its “goons with guns, we will defend ourselves.” “Governor, you send men with guns after us when we go fishing, we’ll see what a revolution looks like,” Sutherland said.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/washington-coronavirus-protest-inslee-stay-at-home?fbclid=IwAR1RLDW6SejczsOlBn6a3As_CgFJoGH7-5FjXUzjUzI0tZuIWU_q_d06VcAIn (https://www.foxnews.com/us/washington-coronavirus-protest-inslee-stay-at-home?fbclid=IwAR1RLDW6SejczsOlBn6a3As_CgFJoGH7-5FjXUzjUzI0tZuIWU_q_d06VcAIn)
In later interviews, Sutherland tried to walk back his comments by saying he meant "A revolution of love", showing this coward doesn't even have the fortitude to stand by his statements.
No matter your stance on opening the state back up, please show your support for WDFW officers by contacting the representative and voicing your opinion:
Representative Robert Sutherland
405 John L. O'Brien Building
P.O. Box 40600
Olympia, WA 98504-0600
robert.sutherland@leg.wa.gov
Regardless of whether you agree or disagree with what was said....(I disagree fundamentally) I think the point he was trying to make is...people are tired of the bullpoop. WDFW can influence the governors decision....yet they don't.
You also have to remember there are quite a few of us on here that have negative interactions with WDFW officers while doing everything right. They have a made their bed and now they don't like laying in it....maybe they will learn to be a little nicer in the future and garner the trust of sportsmen and women.
I don't agree with what was said....but I will not support a dept. that has continually made bad decisions. Until the wardens start representing themselves as advocates for the sport and sportsmen and women.....they will not get my support. I was guilty until proven innocent....and even when I proved my innocence (in about 2 minutes on the phone), I never got a "I'm Sorry." Two years later I meet the guy face to face at a local function and he acts like my best friend.....get real buddy. I hope he learned a lesson. I have a clean record in all aspects of my life and he treated me like a criminal, abused his perceived power when interacting with a minor (my daughter) and admitted to having me pegged as guilty before knowing the facts. People are tired of this kind of shat, so it is no wonder the WDFW is catching so much flack durring this shutdown. :bash: :bash: :bash:
jrebel:
I respect everyone's right to express their opinions, as you just did, however there is simply no excuse or explanation for calling on sportsmen to resist the lawful duties of law enforcement officers. Also, for a state representative to call law enforcement officers "goons" is totally unprofessional and degrading.
Your response is one I heard all of my career; "You guys are all #$%#" or "Every game warden I ever met was rude and was on a power trip" etc. etc. By making comments like that you are lumping all of us into one category. Because you don't agree with something WDFW does, it's all the employees fault. Game Wardens are just like everyone else; there are good ones and bad ones, positive ones and negative ones, we are all just people. Whatever you do for a living, I am pretty sure that if I lumped you in with everyone else who has a similar profession, you would object, so what makes you think it's fair to judge an entire group based on your experience with one individual?
As for F&W officers not acting as advocates for "the sport the sportsmen and women", that too is a ridiculous statement. How do you know what F&W officers have or have not done when it comes to being advocates for sportsmen? Additionally, remember that because you don't see something change the way you want it to, does not mean WDFW employees weren't trying as hard as they could behind the scenes.
In the past, I have certainly had my share of differences with the administration of my former agency. I stood up for you, your fellow sportsmen, and the fine officers of WDFW to the point that it did serious damage to my career (ask around). I am an avid hunter and fisherman, and so is my wife, so for someone to imply I haven't done enough for sportsmen kinda chaps my hide (yes I know you didn't fault me directly). In my 34-years as a WA game warden, I have been hospitalized more than once as a result of being assaulted by wanted felons, and I lost a friend and colleague to a poacher's bullet. So, other than posting negative comments on here, what have you done to further your cause? When did you last attend a WDFW commission meeting? When was the last time you expressed your opinions to WDFW in written form?
In closing jrebel, I look forward to hearing from you in the future and do appreciate your at least paying attention to this post, but please don't lump us all together. The men and women of the WDFW enforcement officers are some of the finest people I have ever had the honor to meet.
Someday, if you want to talk in person, give me a call: Todd Vandivert- (509) 202-3150
Stay safe
I won't and don't disagree with most of what you have to say. Unfortunately a few (or a lot) of the officers over the years have given them all a bad reputation. In my career people that act like that get held accountable....not only by the bosses....but by their peers.
Believe it or not....I am on the same team. Not LEO but a career first responder and I have more respect for LEO's than most. I have many LEO friends and would go to battle with any of them. WDFW officers continually don't impress me. I'm sure there are a ton of great ones....unfortunately the ones I have met have been less than professional......it is something that all of the good ones need to work on fixing. Not all sportsmen / women are poaching, illiterate, hillbilly folk that don't know how to read or follow the laws.
As for the the premise of my original statement......I don't agree with what was said and I don't support under any circumstance confrontation with officers or breaking the law!!! But I will not support an agency by condemning another when both have their faults. I find it very hypocritical and just won't do it. WDFW should have stepped up to the plate and told Governor Inslee they were not going to write tickets for the fishing or hunting due to his order to shut it down......Just my opinion. They could have policed the waterways and woods and educated with social gatherings rules / orders but they should have made a stand with shutting down fishing and hunting. I know it would have likely been political suicide but sometimes we have to stand up for what we believe and deal with the consequences later.
Sorry for you injuries and friends injuries / deaths due to dirt bags. It sucks that LEO have to deal with the scum of society....but to put that burden on others, with the statements you make is ridiculous. You signed up for the job and new exactly what you were getting into. You also know that the vast majority of your interactions were with good people. Your comments and assumptions toward my advocacy for the sport, wildlife and sportsmen / women in Washington is the exact reason I have a hard time supporting you guys. You don't know me yet you assume your duties as a WDFW officer are more worthy than actions I have taken. Guilty of doing nothing before you have the chance of knowing what I have done.......laughable really.
I'm sure your a great guy, like many of your LEO brothers and sisters. But you prove my point with your comments above.
Post by: ucwarden on April 25, 2020, 12:33:20 PM
"Perhaps you don't understand that officers are not allowed to go attend any event in uniform and on-duty just because they want to. To attend such an event, WDFW officers needed to be off-duty and out of uniform, unless they were assigned to such a gathering. So unless you know each and every WDFW officer by sight, you really have no idea of how many of us were there, do you?"
I realize there are rules to protect the higher ups against the rank and file making their leaders look stupid by joining into the protests in uniform. That is why I said "it ain't going to happen". Capiche? I also know that teachers agree not to strike every year in their contracts and yet they strike every time their contract is up. How is that? We have seen LEO's join into many situations when they grow tired of their leaders doing stupid things. We don't see that happening here, do we? I am pretty sure that no one at the rally took Sutherland at his comments as being a real call to violence. If it had been an uncontrolled kegger, than maybe. As I have stated I don't agree with his statements which he has withdrawn. I also don't agree with you trying to highlight someone who got carried away in his rhetoric by harassing him personally.
Being "pretty sure" that no one at the rally took Sutherland at his comments as being a real call to violence, is not that reassuring. I find many of your comments lack foundation or legitimacy, which I believe is a result of you shooting from the hip without any specific factual base. As I said earlier, I respect your right to voice your opinion, but to classify my activities as "harassing him personally" indicates to me, that you and I are just not going to see eye to eye on this, so this will be my last response to you.
Thanks for participating, but please move on.
Post by: Igor on April 25, 2020, 12:42:23 PM
"Perhaps you don't understand that officers are not allowed to go attend any event in uniform and on-duty just because they want to. To attend such an event, WDFW officers needed to be off-duty and out of uniform, unless they were assigned to such a gathering. So unless you know each and every WDFW officer by sight, you really have no idea of how many of us were there, do you?"
I realize there are rules to protect the higher ups against the rank and file making their leaders look stupid by joining into the protests in uniform. That is why I said "it ain't going to happen". Capiche? I also know that teachers agree not to strike every year in their contracts and yet they strike every time their contract is up. How is that? We have seen LEO's join into many situations when they grow tired of their leaders doing stupid things. We don't see that happening here, do we? I am pretty sure that no one at the rally took Sutherland at his comments as being a real call to violence. If it had been an uncontrolled kegger, than maybe. As I have stated I don't agree with his statements which he has withdrawn. I also don't agree with you trying to highlight someone who got carried away in his rhetoric by harassing him personally.
You honestly do not believe that an elected official who publicly promises a revolution (possibly an armed one) should be held accountable?
It seems to me that many Democrats have been publicly calling for a revolution against Trump. Ever hear of the Resistance that tried to destroy him? The Resistance is alive and well in Western Washington. Jay just doesn't like the tables turned where he is spotlighted.
Well, I noticed that you dodged my question. I believe that any politician be they Republican, Democrat, Independent, Democrat Socialist, or of any other stripe should be held publicly accountable for making an open threat like Rep. Sutherland made.
Post by: ucwarden on April 25, 2020, 12:44:02 PM
jrebel:Jrebel:On April 19th, at a protest over the "stay at home" order in Washington, Washington State Senator Robert Sutherland (Snohomish County, WA) made an outrageous statement to the crowd. Referring to the WA Dept. of Fish and Wildlife's decision to temporarily close hunting and fishing, Representative Sutherland called for the protesters to revolt against WDFW officers by saying; if the state sends its “goons with guns, we will defend ourselves.” “Governor, you send men with guns after us when we go fishing, we’ll see what a revolution looks like,” Sutherland said.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/washington-coronavirus-protest-inslee-stay-at-home?fbclid=IwAR1RLDW6SejczsOlBn6a3As_CgFJoGH7-5FjXUzjUzI0tZuIWU_q_d06VcAIn (https://www.foxnews.com/us/washington-coronavirus-protest-inslee-stay-at-home?fbclid=IwAR1RLDW6SejczsOlBn6a3As_CgFJoGH7-5FjXUzjUzI0tZuIWU_q_d06VcAIn)
In later interviews, Sutherland tried to walk back his comments by saying he meant "A revolution of love", showing this coward doesn't even have the fortitude to stand by his statements.
No matter your stance on opening the state back up, please show your support for WDFW officers by contacting the representative and voicing your opinion:
Representative Robert Sutherland
405 John L. O'Brien Building
P.O. Box 40600
Olympia, WA 98504-0600
robert.sutherland@leg.wa.gov
Regardless of whether you agree or disagree with what was said....(I disagree fundamentally) I think the point he was trying to make is...people are tired of the bullpoop. WDFW can influence the governors decision....yet they don't.
You also have to remember there are quite a few of us on here that have negative interactions with WDFW officers while doing everything right. They have a made their bed and now they don't like laying in it....maybe they will learn to be a little nicer in the future and garner the trust of sportsmen and women.
I don't agree with what was said....but I will not support a dept. that has continually made bad decisions. Until the wardens start representing themselves as advocates for the sport and sportsmen and women.....they will not get my support. I was guilty until proven innocent....and even when I proved my innocence (in about 2 minutes on the phone), I never got a "I'm Sorry." Two years later I meet the guy face to face at a local function and he acts like my best friend.....get real buddy. I hope he learned a lesson. I have a clean record in all aspects of my life and he treated me like a criminal, abused his perceived power when interacting with a minor (my daughter) and admitted to having me pegged as guilty before knowing the facts. People are tired of this kind of shat, so it is no wonder the WDFW is catching so much flack durring this shutdown. :bash: :bash: :bash:
I respect everyone's right to voice their opinions (such as you just did), but there is simply no excuse or explanation which would justify telling people toOn April 19th, at a protest over the "stay at home" order in Washington, Washington State Senator Robert Sutherland (Snohomish County, WA) made an outrageous statement to the crowd. Referring to the WA Dept. of Fish and Wildlife's decision to temporarily close hunting and fishing, Representative Sutherland called for the protesters to revolt against WDFW officers by saying; if the state sends its “goons with guns, we will defend ourselves.” “Governor, you send men with guns after us when we go fishing, we’ll see what a revolution looks like,” Sutherland said.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/washington-coronavirus-protest-inslee-stay-at-home?fbclid=IwAR1RLDW6SejczsOlBn6a3As_CgFJoGH7-5FjXUzjUzI0tZuIWU_q_d06VcAIn (https://www.foxnews.com/us/washington-coronavirus-protest-inslee-stay-at-home?fbclid=IwAR1RLDW6SejczsOlBn6a3As_CgFJoGH7-5FjXUzjUzI0tZuIWU_q_d06VcAIn)
In later interviews, Sutherland tried to walk back his comments by saying he meant "A revolution of love", showing this coward doesn't even have the fortitude to stand by his statements.
No matter your stance on opening the state back up, please show your support for WDFW officers by contacting the representative and voicing your opinion:
Representative Robert Sutherland
405 John L. O'Brien Building
P.O. Box 40600
Olympia, WA 98504-0600
robert.sutherland@leg.wa.gov
Regardless of whether you agree or disagree with what was said....(I disagree fundamentally) I think the point he was trying to make is...people are tired of the bullpoop. WDFW can influence the governors decision....yet they don't.
You also have to remember there are quite a few of us on here that have negative interactions with WDFW officers while doing everything right. They have a made their bed and now they don't like laying in it....maybe they will learn to be a little nicer in the future and garner the trust of sportsmen and women.
I don't agree with what was said....but I will not support a dept. that has continually made bad decisions. Until the wardens start representing themselves as advocates for the sport and sportsmen and women.....they will not get my support. I was guilty until proven innocent....and even when I proved my innocence (in about 2 minutes on the phone), I never got a "I'm Sorry." Two years later I meet the guy face to face at a local function and he acts like my best friend.....get real buddy. I hope he learned a lesson. I have a clean record in all aspects of my life and he treated me like a criminal, abused his perceived power when interacting with a minor (my daughter) and admitted to having me pegged as guilty before knowing the facts. People are tired of this kind of shat, so it is no wonder the WDFW is catching so much flack durring this shutdown. :bash: :bash: :bash:
jrebel:
I respect everyone's right to express their opinions, as you just did, however there is simply no excuse or explanation for calling on sportsmen to resist the lawful duties of law enforcement officers. Also, for a state representative to call law enforcement officers "goons" is totally unprofessional and degrading.
Your response is one I heard all of my career; "You guys are all #$%#" or "Every game warden I ever met was rude and was on a power trip" etc. etc. By making comments like that you are lumping all of us into one category. Because you don't agree with something WDFW does, it's all the employees fault. Game Wardens are just like everyone else; there are good ones and bad ones, positive ones and negative ones, we are all just people. Whatever you do for a living, I am pretty sure that if I lumped you in with everyone else who has a similar profession, you would object, so what makes you think it's fair to judge an entire group based on your experience with one individual?
As for F&W officers not acting as advocates for "the sport the sportsmen and women", that too is a ridiculous statement. How do you know what F&W officers have or have not done when it comes to being advocates for sportsmen? Additionally, remember that because you don't see something change the way you want it to, does not mean WDFW employees weren't trying as hard as they could behind the scenes.
In the past, I have certainly had my share of differences with the administration of my former agency. I stood up for you, your fellow sportsmen, and the fine officers of WDFW to the point that it did serious damage to my career (ask around). I am an avid hunter and fisherman, and so is my wife, so for someone to imply I haven't done enough for sportsmen kinda chaps my hide (yes I know you didn't fault me directly). In my 34-years as a WA game warden, I have been hospitalized more than once as a result of being assaulted by wanted felons, and I lost a friend and colleague to a poacher's bullet. So, other than posting negative comments on here, what have you done to further your cause? When did you last attend a WDFW commission meeting? When was the last time you expressed your opinions to WDFW in written form?
In closing jrebel, I look forward to hearing from you in the future and do appreciate your at least paying attention to this post, but please don't lump us all together. The men and women of the WDFW enforcement officers are some of the finest people I have ever had the honor to meet.
Someday, if you want to talk in person, give me a call: Todd Vandivert- (509) 202-3150
Stay safe
I won't and don't disagree with most of what you have to say. Unfortunately a few (or a lot) of the officers over the years have given them all a bad reputation. In my career people that act like that get held accountable....not only by the bosses....but by their peers.
Believe it or not....I am on the same team. Not LEO but a career first responder and I have more respect for LEO's than most. I have many LEO friends and would go to battle with any of them. WDFW officers continually don't impress me. I'm sure there are a ton of great ones....unfortunately the ones I have met have been less than professional......it is something that all of the good ones need to work on fixing. Not all sportsmen / women are poaching, illiterate, hillbilly folk that don't know how to read or follow the laws.
As for the the premise of my original statement......I don't agree with what was said and I don't support under any circumstance confrontation with officers or breaking the law!!! But I will not support an agency by condemning another when both have their faults. I find it very hypocritical and just won't do it. WDFW should have stepped up to the plate and told Governor Inslee they were not going to write tickets for the fishing or hunting due to his order to shut it down......Just my opinion. They could have policed the waterways and woods and educated with social gatherings rules / orders but they should have made a stand with shutting down fishing and hunting. I know it would have likely been political suicide but sometimes we have to stand up for what we believe and deal with the consequences later.
pretty sure that no one at the rally took Sutherland at his comments as being a real call to violence. You also know that the vast majority of your interactions were with good people. Your comments and assumptions toward my advocacy for the sport, wildlife and sportsmen / women in Washington is the exact reason I have a hard time supporting you guys. You don't know me yet you assume your duties as a WDFW officer are more worthy than actions I have taken. Guilty of doing nothing before you have the chance of knowing what I have done.......laughable really.
I'm sure your a great guy, like many of your LEO brothers and sisters. But you prove my point with your comments above.
Thanks for your reply, but I do have one question; When you say- "Sorry for you injuries and friends injuries / deaths due to dirt bags. It sucks that LEO have to deal with the scum of society....but to put that burden on others, with the statements you make is ridiculous. You signed up for the job and new exactly what you were getting into." are you saying that because I signed up for the job, and knew exactly what I was getting into, that makes assaults on me (or other officers) excusable? Because it sure sounds that way.
Post by: Pegasus on April 25, 2020, 12:44:12 PM
"Perhaps you don't understand that officers are not allowed to go attend any event in uniform and on-duty just because they want to. To attend such an event, WDFW officers needed to be off-duty and out of uniform, unless they were assigned to such a gathering. So unless you know each and every WDFW officer by sight, you really have no idea of how many of us were there, do you?"
I realize there are rules to protect the higher ups against the rank and file making their leaders look stupid by joining into the protests in uniform. That is why I said "it ain't going to happen". Capiche? I also know that teachers agree not to strike every year in their contracts and yet they strike every time their contract is up. How is that? We have seen LEO's join into many situations when they grow tired of their leaders doing stupid things. We don't see that happening here, do we? I am pretty sure that no one at the rally took Sutherland at his comments as being a real call to violence. If it had been an uncontrolled kegger, than maybe. As I have stated I don't agree with his statements which he has withdrawn. I also don't agree with you trying to highlight someone who got carried away in his rhetoric by harassing him personally.
Being "pretty sure" that no one at the rally took Sutherland at his comments as being a real call to violence, is not that reassuring. I find many of your comments lack foundation or legitimacy, which I believe is a result of you shooting from the hip without any specific factual base. As I said earlier, I respect your right to voice your opinion, but to classify my activities as "harassing him personally" indicates to me, that you and I are just not going to see eye to eye on this, so this will be my last response to you.
Thanks for participating, but please move on.
If you stop calling for people to harass your chosen victim then I will move on. You are trying to make a mountain out of molehill in a public forum. Why don't you harass Jay and get our hunting and fishing open? No one has said that your chosen"coward" did not cross the line. We get it. Now stop with the overkill.
Post by: ucwarden on April 25, 2020, 12:47:43 PM
Igor:"Perhaps you don't understand that officers are not allowed to go attend any event in uniform and on-duty just because they want to. To attend such an event, WDFW officers needed to be off-duty and out of uniform, unless they were assigned to such a gathering. So unless you know each and every WDFW officer by sight, you really have no idea of how many of us were there, do you?"
I realize there are rules to protect the higher ups against the rank and file making their leaders look stupid by joining into the protests in uniform. That is why I said "it ain't going to happen". Capiche? I also know that teachers agree not to strike every year in their contracts and yet they strike every time their contract is up. How is that? We have seen LEO's join into many situations when they grow tired of their leaders doing stupid things. We don't see that happening here, do we? I am pretty sure that no one at the rally took Sutherland at his comments as being a real call to violence. If it had been an uncontrolled kegger, than maybe. As I have stated I don't agree with his statements which he has withdrawn. I also don't agree with you trying to highlight someone who got carried away in his rhetoric by harassing him personally.
You honestly do not believe that an elected official who publicly promises a revolution (possibly an armed one) should be held accountable?
It seems to me that many Democrats have been publicly calling for a revolution against Trump. Ever hear of the Resistance that tried to destroy him? The Resistance is alive and well in Western Washington. Jay just doesn't like the tables turned where he is spotlighted.
Well, I noticed that you dodged my question. I believe that any politician be they Republican, Democrat, Independent, Democrat Socialist, or of any other stripe should be held publicly accountable for making an open threat like Rep. Sutherland made.
I'm sorry but I don't know who you are speaking to in this last post. Is it me you said is dodging a question? If so, what is the question again?
Post by: Igor on April 25, 2020, 12:52:17 PM
I was responding to him.
Post by: ucwarden on April 25, 2020, 12:56:00 PM
Pegasus said "It seems to me that many Democrats have been publicly calling for a revolution against Trump. Ever hear of the Resistance that tried to destroy him? The Resistance is alive and well in Western Washington. Jay just doesn't like the tables turned where he is spotlighted."
I was responding to him.
Thanks. I got a bit confused there, with so many conversations at once. I appreciate your participation in this discussion.
Post by: jrebel on April 25, 2020, 01:00:10 PM
jrebel:Jrebel:On April 19th, at a protest over the "stay at home" order in Washington, Washington State Senator Robert Sutherland (Snohomish County, WA) made an outrageous statement to the crowd. Referring to the WA Dept. of Fish and Wildlife's decision to temporarily close hunting and fishing, Representative Sutherland called for the protesters to revolt against WDFW officers by saying; if the state sends its “goons with guns, we will defend ourselves.” “Governor, you send men with guns after us when we go fishing, we’ll see what a revolution looks like,” Sutherland said.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/washington-coronavirus-protest-inslee-stay-at-home?fbclid=IwAR1RLDW6SejczsOlBn6a3As_CgFJoGH7-5FjXUzjUzI0tZuIWU_q_d06VcAIn (https://www.foxnews.com/us/washington-coronavirus-protest-inslee-stay-at-home?fbclid=IwAR1RLDW6SejczsOlBn6a3As_CgFJoGH7-5FjXUzjUzI0tZuIWU_q_d06VcAIn)
In later interviews, Sutherland tried to walk back his comments by saying he meant "A revolution of love", showing this coward doesn't even have the fortitude to stand by his statements.
No matter your stance on opening the state back up, please show your support for WDFW officers by contacting the representative and voicing your opinion:
Representative Robert Sutherland
405 John L. O'Brien Building
P.O. Box 40600
Olympia, WA 98504-0600
robert.sutherland@leg.wa.gov
Regardless of whether you agree or disagree with what was said....(I disagree fundamentally) I think the point he was trying to make is...people are tired of the bullpoop. WDFW can influence the governors decision....yet they don't.
You also have to remember there are quite a few of us on here that have negative interactions with WDFW officers while doing everything right. They have a made their bed and now they don't like laying in it....maybe they will learn to be a little nicer in the future and garner the trust of sportsmen and women.
I don't agree with what was said....but I will not support a dept. that has continually made bad decisions. Until the wardens start representing themselves as advocates for the sport and sportsmen and women.....they will not get my support. I was guilty until proven innocent....and even when I proved my innocence (in about 2 minutes on the phone), I never got a "I'm Sorry." Two years later I meet the guy face to face at a local function and he acts like my best friend.....get real buddy. I hope he learned a lesson. I have a clean record in all aspects of my life and he treated me like a criminal, abused his perceived power when interacting with a minor (my daughter) and admitted to having me pegged as guilty before knowing the facts. People are tired of this kind of shat, so it is no wonder the WDFW is catching so much flack durring this shutdown. :bash: :bash: :bash:
I respect everyone's right to voice their opinions (such as you just did), but there is simply no excuse or explanation which would justify telling people toOn April 19th, at a protest over the "stay at home" order in Washington, Washington State Senator Robert Sutherland (Snohomish County, WA) made an outrageous statement to the crowd. Referring to the WA Dept. of Fish and Wildlife's decision to temporarily close hunting and fishing, Representative Sutherland called for the protesters to revolt against WDFW officers by saying; if the state sends its “goons with guns, we will defend ourselves.” “Governor, you send men with guns after us when we go fishing, we’ll see what a revolution looks like,” Sutherland said.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/washington-coronavirus-protest-inslee-stay-at-home?fbclid=IwAR1RLDW6SejczsOlBn6a3As_CgFJoGH7-5FjXUzjUzI0tZuIWU_q_d06VcAIn (https://www.foxnews.com/us/washington-coronavirus-protest-inslee-stay-at-home?fbclid=IwAR1RLDW6SejczsOlBn6a3As_CgFJoGH7-5FjXUzjUzI0tZuIWU_q_d06VcAIn)
In later interviews, Sutherland tried to walk back his comments by saying he meant "A revolution of love", showing this coward doesn't even have the fortitude to stand by his statements.
No matter your stance on opening the state back up, please show your support for WDFW officers by contacting the representative and voicing your opinion:
Representative Robert Sutherland
405 John L. O'Brien Building
P.O. Box 40600
Olympia, WA 98504-0600
robert.sutherland@leg.wa.gov
Regardless of whether you agree or disagree with what was said....(I disagree fundamentally) I think the point he was trying to make is...people are tired of the bullpoop. WDFW can influence the governors decision....yet they don't.
You also have to remember there are quite a few of us on here that have negative interactions with WDFW officers while doing everything right. They have a made their bed and now they don't like laying in it....maybe they will learn to be a little nicer in the future and garner the trust of sportsmen and women.
I don't agree with what was said....but I will not support a dept. that has continually made bad decisions. Until the wardens start representing themselves as advocates for the sport and sportsmen and women.....they will not get my support. I was guilty until proven innocent....and even when I proved my innocence (in about 2 minutes on the phone), I never got a "I'm Sorry." Two years later I meet the guy face to face at a local function and he acts like my best friend.....get real buddy. I hope he learned a lesson. I have a clean record in all aspects of my life and he treated me like a criminal, abused his perceived power when interacting with a minor (my daughter) and admitted to having me pegged as guilty before knowing the facts. People are tired of this kind of shat, so it is no wonder the WDFW is catching so much flack durring this shutdown. :bash: :bash: :bash:
jrebel:
I respect everyone's right to express their opinions, as you just did, however there is simply no excuse or explanation for calling on sportsmen to resist the lawful duties of law enforcement officers. Also, for a state representative to call law enforcement officers "goons" is totally unprofessional and degrading.
Your response is one I heard all of my career; "You guys are all #$%#" or "Every game warden I ever met was rude and was on a power trip" etc. etc. By making comments like that you are lumping all of us into one category. Because you don't agree with something WDFW does, it's all the employees fault. Game Wardens are just like everyone else; there are good ones and bad ones, positive ones and negative ones, we are all just people. Whatever you do for a living, I am pretty sure that if I lumped you in with everyone else who has a similar profession, you would object, so what makes you think it's fair to judge an entire group based on your experience with one individual?
As for F&W officers not acting as advocates for "the sport the sportsmen and women", that too is a ridiculous statement. How do you know what F&W officers have or have not done when it comes to being advocates for sportsmen? Additionally, remember that because you don't see something change the way you want it to, does not mean WDFW employees weren't trying as hard as they could behind the scenes.
In the past, I have certainly had my share of differences with the administration of my former agency. I stood up for you, your fellow sportsmen, and the fine officers of WDFW to the point that it did serious damage to my career (ask around). I am an avid hunter and fisherman, and so is my wife, so for someone to imply I haven't done enough for sportsmen kinda chaps my hide (yes I know you didn't fault me directly). In my 34-years as a WA game warden, I have been hospitalized more than once as a result of being assaulted by wanted felons, and I lost a friend and colleague to a poacher's bullet. So, other than posting negative comments on here, what have you done to further your cause? When did you last attend a WDFW commission meeting? When was the last time you expressed your opinions to WDFW in written form?
In closing jrebel, I look forward to hearing from you in the future and do appreciate your at least paying attention to this post, but please don't lump us all together. The men and women of the WDFW enforcement officers are some of the finest people I have ever had the honor to meet.
Someday, if you want to talk in person, give me a call: Todd Vandivert- (509) 202-3150
Stay safe
I won't and don't disagree with most of what you have to say. Unfortunately a few (or a lot) of the officers over the years have given them all a bad reputation. In my career people that act like that get held accountable....not only by the bosses....but by their peers.
Believe it or not....I am on the same team. Not LEO but a career first responder and I have more respect for LEO's than most. I have many LEO friends and would go to battle with any of them. WDFW officers continually don't impress me. I'm sure there are a ton of great ones....unfortunately the ones I have met have been less than professional......it is something that all of the good ones need to work on fixing. Not all sportsmen / women are poaching, illiterate, hillbilly folk that don't know how to read or follow the laws.
As for the the premise of my original statement......I don't agree with what was said and I don't support under any circumstance confrontation with officers or breaking the law!!! But I will not support an agency by condemning another when both have their faults. I find it very hypocritical and just won't do it. WDFW should have stepped up to the plate and told Governor Inslee they were not going to write tickets for the fishing or hunting due to his order to shut it down......Just my opinion. They could have policed the waterways and woods and educated with social gatherings rules / orders but they should have made a stand with shutting down fishing and hunting. I know it would have likely been political suicide but sometimes we have to stand up for what we believe and deal with the consequences later.
pretty sure that no one at the rally took Sutherland at his comments as being a real call to violence. You also know that the vast majority of your interactions were with good people. Your comments and assumptions toward my advocacy for the sport, wildlife and sportsmen / women in Washington is the exact reason I have a hard time supporting you guys. You don't know me yet you assume your duties as a WDFW officer are more worthy than actions I have taken. Guilty of doing nothing before you have the chance of knowing what I have done.......laughable really.
I'm sure your a great guy, like many of your LEO brothers and sisters. But you prove my point with your comments above.
Thanks for your reply, but I do have one question; When you say- "Sorry for you injuries and friends injuries / deaths due to dirt bags. It sucks that LEO have to deal with the scum of society....but to put that burden on others, with the statements you make is ridiculous. You signed up for the job and new exactly what you were getting into." are you saying that because I signed up for the job, and knew exactly what I was getting into, that makes assaults on me (or other officers) excusable? Because it sure sounds that way.
No, it simply states that you putting that burden on others (like stated in my comments) to further your sympathetic argument is wrong. It would be the same as me saying you should feel sorry for me because I am at higher risk of catching coronavirus due to my job.... I signed up for my job knowing darn good and well I would be subjecting myself to physical, emotional, biological and epidemiological harm. I don't get to come back now and use that in an argument to support a cause that it has nothing to do with. I don't get to ridicule you for not advocating for better work environments and policy change...not knowing what you may or may not have already advocated for.
I'm not sure if your reading to much into it....or simply doing what other WDFW officers have done and cherry pick what they want to hear / see to make a case. Nowhere did I say violence toward officers was excusable......matter of fact I state in the above paragraphs...I don't support under any circumstance confrontation with officers or breaking the law!!!... It would appear you are just cherry picking what you want to hear to make your case. Hence the problem I have with WDFW officers.
Any LEO that knows me, knows I am on their side and behind them 100%.......so to make that assumption and comment on it based on what was typed is pretty egregious and offensive. No wonder why WDFW gets such a bad rap. :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:
Post by: Special T on April 25, 2020, 01:01:55 PM
This old boy had the stones. He knew what he had to do and how to handle the situation. If you want to press this situation go get cited for fishing in fron of a bunch of witnesses and do it right. Everyone is mad at the stupid rules and I get it. Getting cited in a mass show of defiance that is well documented would do more than playing gunman with the cops.
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Post by: Igor on April 25, 2020, 01:07:02 PM
Any LEO that knows me, knows I am on their side and behind them 100%.......so to make that assumption and comment on it based on what was typed is pretty egregious and offensive. No wonder why WDFW gets such a bad rap. :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:
WDFW officers are LEOs. Somehow, your painting them with that broad brush you are wielding against them doesn't make you appear to be "behind them 100%".
Post by: jrebel on April 25, 2020, 01:09:07 PM
Up here in the Skagit Valley a farmer was being ignored by the department concerning his problems with elk. So he shot one in his feild. He called the local warden. The told him what he did and for the officer to come write him a citation because he wanted to go to court. The warden choosing discression came out and issued the farmer a damage tag. And said not to do it again. The farmer was angry and told him something to the effect that he had enough beef, he wanted to go to court. The officer left. The next time the elk were In his feild he shot another and called the warden and repeated his demand.
This old boy had the stones. He knew what he had to do and how to handle the situation. If you want to press this situation go get cited for fishing in fron of a bunch of witnesses and do it right. Everyone is mad at the stupid rules and I get it. Getting cited in a mass show of defiance that is well documented would do more than playing gunman with the cops.
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I'm not going to draw assumptions on how people interpreted what was said....but do you think it was meant literally?? Really?? It is like the press and anti Trumpers saying that "injecting or ingesting" cleaning chemicals to fight covid was meant "literally".
I guess if your dumb enough to inject lysol into your veins....you deserve the consequences. If you confront an officer with force....you deserve the consequences.
Though inappropriate....I don't believe the statements made were literal. doesn't make them any less wrong....but pegasus is right.....UCWarden is making a mountain out of a molehill. IN MY OPINION.
Post by: Lucky1 on April 25, 2020, 01:14:03 PM
I agree. He was “ blowing off steam “. He was expressing his frustration at what is going on. He should have been more careful about how he went about it. He did walk it back, so accept his correction of what he said.Up here in the Skagit Valley a farmer was being ignored by the department concerning his problems with elk. So he shot one in his feild. He called the local warden. The told him what he did and for the officer to come write him a citation because he wanted to go to court. The warden choosing discression came out and issued the farmer a damage tag. And said not to do it again. The farmer was angry and told him something to the effect that he had enough beef, he wanted to go to court. The officer left. The next time the elk were In his feild he shot another and called the warden and repeated his demand.
This old boy had the stones. He knew what he had to do and how to handle the situation. If you want to press this situation go get cited for fishing in fron of a bunch of witnesses and do it right. Everyone is mad at the stupid rules and I get it. Getting cited in a mass show of defiance that is well documented would do more than playing gunman with the cops.
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I'm not going to draw assumptions on how people interpreted what was said....but do you think it was meant literally?? Really?? It is like the press and anti Trumpers saying that "injecting or ingesting" cleaning chemicals to fight covid was meant "literally".
I guess if your dumb enough to inject lysol into your veins....you deserve the consequences. If you confront an officer with force....you deserve the consequences.
Though inappropriate....I don't believe the statements made were literal. doesn't make them any less wrong....but pegasus is right.....UCWarden is making a mountain out of a molehill. IN MY OPINION.
Post by: jrebel on April 25, 2020, 01:14:31 PM
Any LEO that knows me, knows I am on their side and behind them 100%.......so to make that assumption and comment on it based on what was typed is pretty egregious and offensive. No wonder why WDFW gets such a bad rap. :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:
WDFW officers are LEOs. Somehow, your painting them with that broad brush you are wielding against them doesn't make you appear to be "behind them 100%".
I am not behind the WDFW officers that I have had contact with and don't agree with the way they interact with hunters. They have made very egregious errors and don't have the decency to accept or apologize for their wrongs. That does not mean if I came upon one in need I wouldn't have their back 100%.
Post by: Pegasus on April 25, 2020, 01:21:24 PM
Any LEO that knows me, knows I am on their side and behind them 100%.......so to make that assumption and comment on it based on what was typed is pretty egregious and offensive. No wonder why WDFW gets such a bad rap. :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:
WDFW officers are LEOs. Somehow, your painting them with that broad brush you are wielding against them doesn't make you appear to be "behind them 100%".
I am not behind the WDFW officers that I have had contact with and don't agree with the way they interact with hunters. They have made very egregious errors and don't have the decency to accept or apologize for their wrongs. That does not mean if I came upon one in need I wouldn't have their back 100%.
Like any profession there are some real jerks and some true professionals. Unfortunately we tend to remember the jerks and forget about the good ones.
Post by: Jingles on April 25, 2020, 01:22:05 PM
Quote from: jrebel link=topic=248844.color=red
I don't support under any circumstance confrontation with officers or breaking the law!!![/color]... It would appear you are just cherry picking what you want to hear to make your case. Hence the problem I have with WDFW officers.I will partially agree with you on your comment however I will not support or back up any LEO when they are abusing their power/ authority, or when they are enforcing laws that should not even be law. Also it does not surprise me that another poster was guilty until proven innocent with todays LEO society. They are not the same as they were 30 or 40 years ago hell they aren't even the same as they were 10 years ago, now we have a bunch of egotistical kids that because they have a badge and a gun they think they are all powerful and can do no wrong and no one knows better than they do. The Leo's that don't have that attitude are either stuck in the office or retiring faster than toilet paper flies off the shelf.
Any LEO that knows me, knows I am on their side and behind them 100%.......so to make that assumption and comment on it based on what was typed is pretty egregious and offensive. No wonder why WDFW gets such a bad rap. :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:
Post by: nwmein199 on April 25, 2020, 01:31:37 PM
I agree. He was “ blowing off steam “. He was expressing his frustration at what is going on. He should have been more careful about how he went about it. He did walk it back, so accept his correction of what he said.Up here in the Skagit Valley a farmer was being ignored by the department concerning his problems with elk. So he shot one in his feild. He called the local warden. The told him what he did and for the officer to come write him a citation because he wanted to go to court. The warden choosing discression came out and issued the farmer a damage tag. And said not to do it again. The farmer was angry and told him something to the effect that he had enough beef, he wanted to go to court. The officer left. The next time the elk were In his feild he shot another and called the warden and repeated his demand.
This old boy had the stones. He knew what he had to do and how to handle the situation. If you want to press this situation go get cited for fishing in fron of a bunch of witnesses and do it right. Everyone is mad at the stupid rules and I get it. Getting cited in a mass show of defiance that is well documented would do more than playing gunman with the cops.
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I'm not going to draw assumptions on how people interpreted what was said....but do you think it was meant literally?? Really?? It is like the press and anti Trumpers saying that "injecting or ingesting" cleaning chemicals to fight covid was meant "literally".
I guess if your dumb enough to inject lysol into your veins....you deserve the consequences. If you confront an officer with force....you deserve the consequences.
Though inappropriate....I don't believe the statements made were literal. doesn't make them any less wrong....but pegasus is right.....UCWarden is making a mountain out of a molehill. IN MY OPINION.
I want to make sure I got this right: only take politicians words literally when it's good for you/them/your cause but if it is bad, then dont take the politicians words literal...got ya :tup:
Post by: Pegasus on April 25, 2020, 01:33:40 PM
Post by: jrebel on April 25, 2020, 01:39:42 PM
I agree. He was “ blowing off steam “. He was expressing his frustration at what is going on. He should have been more careful about how he went about it. He did walk it back, so accept his correction of what he said.Up here in the Skagit Valley a farmer was being ignored by the department concerning his problems with elk. So he shot one in his feild. He called the local warden. The told him what he did and for the officer to come write him a citation because he wanted to go to court. The warden choosing discression came out and issued the farmer a damage tag. And said not to do it again. The farmer was angry and told him something to the effect that he had enough beef, he wanted to go to court. The officer left. The next time the elk were In his feild he shot another and called the warden and repeated his demand.
This old boy had the stones. He knew what he had to do and how to handle the situation. If you want to press this situation go get cited for fishing in fron of a bunch of witnesses and do it right. Everyone is mad at the stupid rules and I get it. Getting cited in a mass show of defiance that is well documented would do more than playing gunman with the cops.
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I'm not going to draw assumptions on how people interpreted what was said....but do you think it was meant literally?? Really?? It is like the press and anti Trumpers saying that "injecting or ingesting" cleaning chemicals to fight covid was meant "literally".
I guess if your dumb enough to inject lysol into your veins....you deserve the consequences. If you confront an officer with force....you deserve the consequences.
Though inappropriate....I don't believe the statements made were literal. doesn't make them any less wrong....but pegasus is right.....UCWarden is making a mountain out of a molehill. IN MY OPINION.
I want to make sure I got this right: only take politicians words literally when it's good for you/them/your cause but if it is bad, then dont take the politicians words literal...got ya :tup:
No....just use a little common sense. If you dumb enough to think you should draw a firearm or weapon on an officer enforcing a fishing violation....HERE'S YOUR SIGN!!! Have you ever heard of a figure of speech ..... or a person blowing off steam .... or saying things he likely wishes he didn't say but did in a fit of anger .... Clearly it wasn't taken to heart by his followers, I haven't heard of any active shootings on the waterways!!!
And for what it is worth....if you take any politicians words literal.....you are a fool!!! They are all full of shat. :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Igor on April 25, 2020, 01:42:08 PM
Maybe we should post the names of all of the bad WDFW employees that we have run across with their email and address like the OP did? We don't do that and neither should the OP. The media and Jay have made this rally a political one and the OP has fallen right into their trap.
Wait a minute. Let me get this straight. Thousands of protestors gathered outside the state Capitol and "the media and Jay" have made this a political rally?
Post by: Pegasus on April 25, 2020, 01:46:21 PM
Maybe we should post the names of all of the bad WDFW employees that we have run across with their email and address like the OP did? We don't do that and neither should the OP. The media and Jay have made this rally a political one and the OP has fallen right into their trap.
Wait a minute. Let me get this straight. Thousands of protestors gathered outside the state Capitol and "the media and Jay" have made this a political rally?
Was not a political rally. Everyone that wanted to open fishing and hunting was welcome. Jay Inslee declared it to be "rebellion" and blamed Trump. The media,of course, was happy to join with him over his nonsense. That's what has made this political.
Post by: ucwarden on April 25, 2020, 01:46:35 PM
Jingles:Quote from: jrebel link=topic=248844.color=redI don't support under any circumstance confrontation with officers or breaking the law!!![/color]... It would appear you are just cherry picking what you want to hear to make your case. Hence the problem I have with WDFW officers.I will partially agree with you on your comment however I will not support or back up any LEO when they are abusing their power/ authority, or when they are enforcing laws that should not even be law. Also it does not surprise me that another poster was guilty until proven innocent with todays LEO society. They are not the same as they were 30 or 40 years ago hell they aren't even the same as they were 10 years ago, now we have a bunch of egotistical kids that because they have a badge and a gun they think they are all powerful and can do no wrong and no one knows better than they do. The Leo's that don't have that attitude are either stuck in the office or retiring faster than toilet paper flies off the shelf.
Any LEO that knows me, knows I am on their side and behind them 100%.......so to make that assumption and comment on it based on what was typed is pretty egregious and offensive. No wonder why WDFW gets such a bad rap. :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:
I hope when you are saying you would not back up any LEO under the circumstances you list, you do not mean back up as in helping out an officer you come across in a physical confrontation with a suspect. The problem with your philosophy on providing backup only to those LEOs who you feel are correctly applying their enforcement powers on laws you deem to be worthy of enforcement, is how would you know when you roll up on the scene? You have all the right on earth to state you opinions, or even disdain for LEOs, but I genuinely hope you do not mean you wouldn't help an officer in need of assistance in a physical confrontation.
Post by: nwmein199 on April 25, 2020, 01:48:49 PM
Maybe we should post the names of all of the bad WDFW employees that we have run across with their email and address like the OP did? We don't do that and neither should the OP. The media and Jay have made this rally a political one and the OP has fallen right into their trap.
He posted public information about a publicly elected official. That's WAY different than posting home address and cell phone number is a random WDFW employee
Post by: nwmein199 on April 25, 2020, 01:49:41 PM
Maybe we should post the names of all of the bad WDFW employees that we have run across with their email and address like the OP did? We don't do that and neither should the OP. The media and Jay have made this rally a political one and the OP has fallen right into their trap.
Wait a minute. Let me get this straight. Thousands of protestors gathered outside the state Capitol and "the media and Jay" have made this a political rally?
Was not a political rally. Everyone that wanted to open fishing and hunting was welcome. Jay Inslee declared it to be "rebellion" and blamed Trump. The media,of course, was happy to join with him over his nonsense. That's what has made this political.
It was not a political "rally" it was a political "gathering" get it straight! Geez :chuckle:
Post by: ucwarden on April 25, 2020, 01:51:59 PM
Maybe we should post the names of all of the bad WDFW employees that we have run across with their email and address like the OP did? We don't do that and neither should the OP. The media and Jay have made this rally a political one and the OP has fallen right into their trap.
He posted public information about a publicly elected official. That's WAY different than posting home address and cell phone number is a random WDFW employee
Well said. Thanks
Post by: Igor on April 25, 2020, 01:59:46 PM
Maybe we should post the names of all of the bad WDFW employees that we have run across with their email and address like the OP did? We don't do that and neither should the OP. The media and Jay have made this rally a political one and the OP has fallen right into their trap.
He posted public information about a publicly elected official. That's WAY different than posting home address and cell phone number is a random WDFW employee
Well said. Thanks
Any publicly elected official who chooses to call sworn officers "goons with guns" and promises a "revolution" deserves to be held to answer for his statements. To "backtrack" and say that he meant "a revolution of love" is totally insufficient and insincere.
Post by: Alchase on April 25, 2020, 01:59:56 PM
The irresponsible comments from Sutherland, now have everyone from the Governor to all of you in this thread either deflecting or attacking the wrong people, while Nero continues his fiddle in the governors mansion.
The issue is your Governor having total disregard for people who are not his voter base. Do you not think for one minute that the *censored* in the governor's office does not know the vast majority of Hunters and Fisherman do not support him? Seriously?
He has never shown one lick of concern for Hunters and Fisherman. :bash:
Now because of Sutherland's statements, he can point and say "see. This is what we are dealing with"
Quit getting distracted, you are playing right into Inslee's hands. :bash:
I honestly think the single best thing you all could do is go fishing en mass!
An orderly respectful (to LEOs) protest and ensure the press is involved.
Have a coordinated response
"Inslee only cares for his base, and taxes (hense pot stores) and we are tired of it"
You know how all the prosecutors are hesitant to charge anyone for poaching and fishing violations. Well flood their courtrooms, force them to prove Inslee's close was legal.
Above all quit letting yourselves get divided by one persons ridiculous statements that only serve this to Inslee on a platter.
:bash:
Post by: Special T on April 25, 2020, 02:04:16 PM
This crap just pi$$3s me off!Well said.
The irresponsible comments from Sutherland, now have everyone from the Governor to all of you in this thread either deflecting or attacking the wrong people, while Nero continues his fiddle in the governors mansion.
The issue is your Governor having total disregard for people who are not his voter base. Do you not think for one minute that the *censored* in the governor's office does not know the vast majority of Hunters and Fisherman do not support him? Seriously?
He has never shown one lick of concern for Hunters and Fisherman. :bash:
Now because of Sutherland's statements, he can point and say "see. This is what we are dealing with"
Quit getting distracted, you are playing right into Inslee's hands. :bash:
I honestly think the single best thing you all could do is go fishing en mass!
An orderly respectful (to LEOs) protest and ensure the press is involved.
Have a coordinated response
"Inslee only cares for his base, and taxes (hense pot stores) and we are tired of it"
You know how all the prosecutors are hesitant to charge anyone for poaching and fishing violations. Well flood their courtrooms, force them to prove Inslee's close was legal.
Above all quit letting yourselves get divided by one persons ridiculous statements that only serve this to Inslee on a platter.
:bash:
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Post by: Pegasus on April 25, 2020, 02:09:49 PM
Maybe we should post the names of all of the bad WDFW employees that we have run across with their email and address like the OP did? We don't do that and neither should the OP. The media and Jay have made this rally a political one and the OP has fallen right into their trap.
He posted public information about a publicly elected official. That's WAY different than posting home address and cell phone number is a random WDFW employee
Well said. Thanks
WDFW LEO's are public employees. They have .gov emails and phones. Not saying to do this. Just saying we don't do it out of common sense and respect. The OP has crossed the line with his personal vendetta against an individual. There is no difference. If he wants to write the individual personally and give his two cents he is welcome to do it. Trying to wrangle a bunch of negative emails from a public forum when he knows the real issues surround hunting and fishing and the WDFW's lack of balls to satisfy his own ego is out of line.
Post by: hunter399 on April 25, 2020, 02:11:59 PM
Post by: Pegasus on April 25, 2020, 02:12:50 PM
This crap just pi$$3s me off!
The irresponsible comments from Sutherland, now have everyone from the Governor to all of you in this thread either deflecting or attacking the wrong people, while Nero continues his fiddle in the governors mansion.
The issue is your Governor having total disregard for people who are not his voter base. Do you not think for one minute that the *censored* in the governor's office does not know the vast majority of Hunters and Fisherman do not support him? Seriously?
He has never shown one lick of concern for Hunters and Fisherman. :bash:
Now because of Sutherland's statements, he can point and say "see. This is what we are dealing with"
Quit getting distracted, you are playing right into Inslee's hands. :bash:
I honestly think the single best thing you all could do is go fishing en mass!
An orderly respectful (to LEOs) protest and ensure the press is involved.
Have a coordinated response
"Inslee only cares for his base, and taxes (hense pot stores) and we are tired of it"
You know how all the prosecutors are hesitant to charge anyone for poaching and fishing violations. Well flood their courtrooms, force them to prove Inslee's close was legal.
Above all quit letting yourselves get divided by one persons ridiculous statements that only serve this to Inslee on a platter.
:bash:
My point exactly. Sutherland is the straw man.
Post by: nwmein199 on April 25, 2020, 02:55:21 PM
This crap just pi$$3s me off!
The irresponsible comments from Sutherland, now have everyone from the Governor to all of you in this thread either deflecting or attacking the wrong people, while Nero continues his fiddle in the governors mansion.
The issue is your Governor having total disregard for people who are not his voter base. Do you not think for one minute that the *censored* in the governor's office does not know the vast majority of Hunters and Fisherman do not support him? Seriously?
He has never shown one lick of concern for Hunters and Fisherman. :bash:
Now because of Sutherland's statements, he can point and say "see. This is what we are dealing with"
Quit getting distracted, you are playing right into Inslee's hands. :bash:
I honestly think the single best thing you all could do is go fishing en mass!
An orderly respectful (to LEOs) protest and ensure the press is involved.
Have a coordinated response
"Inslee only cares for his base, and taxes (hense pot stores) and we are tired of it"
You know how all the prosecutors are hesitant to charge anyone for poaching and fishing violations. Well flood their courtrooms, force them to prove Inslee's close was legal.
Above all quit letting yourselves get divided by one persons ridiculous statements that only serve this to Inslee on a platter.
:bash:
My point exactly. Sutherland is the straw man.
Inslee and Sutherland are working together to distract hunters and fishers :dunno:
Post by: bigtex on April 25, 2020, 07:29:27 PM
:tinfoil:Inslee and Sutherland are working together to distract hunters and fishers :dunno:This crap just pi$$3s me off!
The irresponsible comments from Sutherland, now have everyone from the Governor to all of you in this thread either deflecting or attacking the wrong people, while Nero continues his fiddle in the governors mansion.
The issue is your Governor having total disregard for people who are not his voter base. Do you not think for one minute that the *censored* in the governor's office does not know the vast majority of Hunters and Fisherman do not support him? Seriously?
He has never shown one lick of concern for Hunters and Fisherman. :bash:
Now because of Sutherland's statements, he can point and say "see. This is what we are dealing with"
Quit getting distracted, you are playing right into Inslee's hands. :bash:
I honestly think the single best thing you all could do is go fishing en mass!
An orderly respectful (to LEOs) protest and ensure the press is involved.
Have a coordinated response
"Inslee only cares for his base, and taxes (hense pot stores) and we are tired of it"
You know how all the prosecutors are hesitant to charge anyone for poaching and fishing violations. Well flood their courtrooms, force them to prove Inslee's close was legal.
Above all quit letting yourselves get divided by one persons ridiculous statements that only serve this to Inslee on a platter.
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My point exactly. Sutherland is the straw man.
Post by: bigtex on April 25, 2020, 07:39:01 PM
The fact that you think this is a vendetta is beyond saddening. Let's just be honest here, you're mad UC is attacking a republican, plain and simple. In fact you even allude to it in your second post "This is a political agenda against a Republican" So apparently in your world republicans can do and say whatever they want? Interesting. I have a feeling you wouldn't have a problem with UC if Sutherland was a Democrat.WDFW LEO's are public employees. They have .gov emails and phones. Not saying to do this. Just saying we don't do it out of common sense and respect. The OP has crossed the line with his personal vendetta against an individual. There is no difference. If he wants to write the individual personally and give his two cents he is welcome to do it. Trying to wrangle a bunch of negative emails from a public forum when he knows the real issues surround hunting and fishing and the WDFW's lack of balls to satisfy his own ego is out of line.Well said. ThanksMaybe we should post the names of all of the bad WDFW employees that we have run across with their email and address like the OP did? We don't do that and neither should the OP. The media and Jay have made this rally a political one and the OP has fallen right into their trap.He posted public information about a publicly elected official. That's WAY different than posting home address and cell phone number is a random WDFW employee
Also p.s. there is no such thing as the "WA Congress"
Post by: ucwarden on April 26, 2020, 08:53:15 AM
Thanks for jumping in BigTex, and I agree with your post 100%. It is always interesting to hear multiple different opinions on a subject, but I have to admit some of the responses have been a bit shocking to me. The posts on this subject range from complete support to WDFW officers to what seems like bitter, hostile attitudes against those same officers, and myself. Perhaps my message has been lost in all of this debate about the shut-down, but I am not attacking a Republican or Democrat. I am defending the WDFW officers, many of whom are my good friends, against reckless and irresponsible comments which included language which can be interpreted by some to mean they should actively resist enforcement efforts made by those officers. I am certainly not asking for support of WDFW officers to, in some way, "satisfy my own ego", and I don't even understand how my words on this thread could in anyway benefit me personally or "satisfy my ego", as this is not about me at all. I am simply standing up for what I believe is right, against what I feel is wrong.The fact that you think this is a vendetta is beyond saddening. Let's just be honest here, you're mad UC is attacking a republican, plain and simple. In fact you even allude to it in your second post "This is a political agenda against a Republican" So apparently in your world republicans can do and say whatever they want? Interesting. I have a feeling you wouldn't have a problem with UC if Sutherland was a Democrat.WDFW LEO's are public employees. They have .gov emails and phones. Not saying to do this. Just saying we don't do it out of common sense and respect. The OP has crossed the line with his personal vendetta against an individual. There is no difference. If he wants to write the individual personally and give his two cents he is welcome to do it. Trying to wrangle a bunch of negative emails from a public forum when he knows the real issues surround hunting and fishing and the WDFW's lack of balls to satisfy his own ego is out of line.Well said. ThanksMaybe we should post the names of all of the bad WDFW employees that we have run across with their email and address like the OP did? We don't do that and neither should the OP. The media and Jay have made this rally a political one and the OP has fallen right into their trap.He posted public information about a publicly elected official. That's WAY different than posting home address and cell phone number is a random WDFW employee
Also p.s. there is no such thing as the "WA Congress"
I also find it ironic that one individual on here talks about "WDFW's lack of balls", when I would be willing to bet he (and others) have never lifted a finger to work towards rectifying what he perceives as the problems with WDFW, other than to gripe on here. The bottom line is that threats, name calling, and derogatory statements never help to convince the other side of your point. For those of you who don't like the way things are going in state (or any other) governmental operations, start by expressing your opinions to those who actually have the authority to make changes. Write letters, attend meeting, ask to schedule personal face-to-face (or by phone) discussions with those in control. But to sit back and complain to a group of like-minded people, doesn't accomplish anything.
I am not a fan of "anonymous statements", which is one downside of these forums. Because people are using screen names, we never know who we are really talking to, which I think adds to the willingness of some to make ridiculous statements. All of you know my name, and my phone number, and I have offered to have this discussion (or any other) with anyone, but for some reason nobody has ever taken me up on it.
One of the greatest benefits of being a fish and wildlife officer is being able to meet so many people who are enjoying the outdoors as much as I do. I have contacted thousands of sportsmen and women, and the vast majority are great people who were supportive and thankful for the work we do, but when people can hide behind a screen name, some become a whole different beast.
I do sincerely respect everyone's right to free speech, including Rep. Sutherland's, until it gets to the point of even potentially inciting resistance and/or violence against law enforcement.
Post by: Igor on April 26, 2020, 09:19:10 AM
Post by: bigtex on April 26, 2020, 09:22:12 AM
I realize that people who post here have their reasons for their beliefs, be they political reasons or something else. The puzzling part of this entire discussion, for me, is how willing people are to give Rep. Sutherland a "Mullligan" for his "goons with guns" statement. If he is willing to call sworn officers "goons" in a public setting, you can be sure that is his opinion of law enforcement in general. The fact that he identifies as a Republican is beside the point. Politics aside, in my mind he has no business holding the office that he does. Trying to put the blame for his shortcomings on Gov. Inslee is total horse puckey.:yeah:
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Post by: Alchase on April 26, 2020, 09:46:58 AM
I realize that people who post here have their reasons for their beliefs, be they political reasons or something else. The puzzling part of this entire discussion, for me, is how willing people are to give Rep. Sutherland a "Mullligan" for his "goons with guns" statement. If he is willing to call sworn officers "goons" in a public setting, you can be sure that is his opinion of law enforcement in general. The fact that he identifies as a Republican is beside the point. Politics aside, in my mind he has no business holding the office that he does. Trying to put the blame for his shortcomings on Gov. Inslee is total horse puckey.:yeah:
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Totally agree with that statement. Sutherland's idiocy just played right into Inslee's hands.
And now has us eating our own.
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Post by: SGTDuffman on April 26, 2020, 10:17:43 AM
It’s not. WDFW employees are also public officials. You won’t post their home address because that’s not public information. Their name, position, work email/phone/address are. You can look up anyone who was paid off of public funds. As an example.
Http://fiscal.wa.gov/salaries.aspx
I generally support LEOs and have a lot of friends who went that route after the service. My biggest complaint would be how the good LEOs don’t police the bad LEOs. Good guys know who bad guys or people on power trips are. This seems to be a far bigger problem than the actual number of bad LEOs. Too many people being “loyal” for bad LEOs just because they’re a brother in blue. No one wants to end up like Serpico (the actual guy not the movie). You’d be amazed what people are willing to overlook because they may personally like someone or they’re just biding their time to collect a check, and that’s true across all industries. Let alone one where you might not get backup when you need it for “crossing the thin blue line”.
All of that said, I haven’t had any bad interactions with anyone from WDFW enforcement, or any other LEO, and wouldn’t seriously advocate violence against them, or any one else, for any reason. A lot of the treatment you’d get from LEOs will stem directly from how at ease you can make them during any interaction.
Post by: Pegasus on April 26, 2020, 10:54:08 AM
“ He posted public information about a publicly elected official. That's WAY different than posting home address and cell phone number is a random WDFW employee”
It’s not. WDFW employees are also public officials. You won’t post their home address because that’s not public information. Their name, position, work email/phone/address are. You can look up anyone who was paid off of public funds. As an example.
Http://fiscal.wa.gov/salaries.aspx
I generally support LEOs and have a lot of friends who went that route after the service. My biggest complaint would be how the good LEOs don’t police the bad LEOs. Good guys know who bad guys or people on power trips are. This seems to be a far bigger problem than the actual number of bad LEOs. Too many people being “loyal” for bad LEOs just because they’re a brother in blue. No one wants to end up like Serpico (the actual guy not the movie). You’d be amazed what people are willing to overlook because they may personally like someone or they’re just biding their time to collect a check, and that’s true across all industries. Let alone one where you might not get backup when you need it for “crossing the thin blue line”.
All of that said, I haven’t had any bad interactions with anyone from WDFW enforcement, or any other LEO, and wouldn’t seriously advocate violence against them, or any one else, for any reason. A lot of the treatment you’d get from LEOs will stem directly from how at ease you can make them during any interaction.
I already posted that but it was twisted by one of the WDFW reps here. What if we had posted Bigtex's .gov address? Oh my. But we did not and we won't post an individual's email, or phone. They have tried to twist everything that I have posted to support their agenda. They are also twisting another's words here. They need to get off their bully pulpit and stop trying to rally this public forum to do their bidding to harass an individual they want as their victim.
Only one post here so far has agreed with Sutherland. The rest, including me, have disavowed his words which he already had retracted. They are doing nothing to to enhance the reputation of the WDFW which is in dire need of repair. Instead they continue that outsiders are not part of the "Club" that can really know what is going on at the WDFW. We have to only believe them. One complains that we are posting anonymous here. What an amazing revelation. Funny after not posting here for ages he scurries to this anonymous board to get anonymous posters to do his bidding and harass an individual when he should be harassing Jay and the top of the WDFW to open hunting and fishing. The attitude that you would not be so tuff if I knew who you are is the attitude that gives law enforcement a bad name. It's an anonymous board, go complain elsewhere.
Post by: jrebel on April 26, 2020, 11:10:56 AM
“ He posted public information about a publicly elected official. That's WAY different than posting home address and cell phone number is a random WDFW employee”
It’s not. WDFW employees are also public officials. You won’t post their home address because that’s not public information. Their name, position, work email/phone/address are. You can look up anyone who was paid off of public funds. As an example.
Http://fiscal.wa.gov/salaries.aspx
I generally support LEOs and have a lot of friends who went that route after the service. My biggest complaint would be how the good LEOs don’t police the bad LEOs. Good guys know who bad guys or people on power trips are. This seems to be a far bigger problem than the actual number of bad LEOs. Too many people being “loyal” for bad LEOs just because they’re a brother in blue. No one wants to end up like Serpico (the actual guy not the movie). You’d be amazed what people are willing to overlook because they may personally like someone or they’re just biding their time to collect a check, and that’s true across all industries. Let alone one where you might not get backup when you need it for “crossing the thin blue line”.
All of that said, I haven’t had any bad interactions with anyone from WDFW enforcement, or any other LEO, and wouldn’t seriously advocate violence against them, or any one else, for any reason. A lot of the treatment you’d get from LEOs will stem directly from how at ease you can make them during any interaction.
I already posted that but it was twisted by one of the WDFW reps here. What if we had posted Bigtex's .gov address? Oh my. But we did not and we won't post an individual's email, or phone. They have tried to twist everything that I have posted to support their agenda. They are also twisting another's words here. They need to get off their bully pulpit and stop trying to rally this public forum to do their bidding to harass an individual they want as their victim.
Only one post here so far has agreed with Sutherland. The rest, including me, have disavowed his words which he already had retracted. They are doing nothing to to enhance the reputation of the WDFW which is in dire need of repair. Instead they continue that outsiders are not part of the "Club" that can really know what is going on at the WDFW. We have to only believe them. One complains that we are posting anonymous here. What an amazing revelation. Funny after not posting here for ages he scurries to this anonymous board to get anonymous posters to do his bidding and harass an individual when he should be harassing Jay and the top of the WDFW to open hunting and fishing. The attitude that you would not be so tuff if I knew who you are is the attitude that gives law enforcement a bad name. It's an anonymous board, go complain elsewhere.
Well said, thank you!! I had a long drawn out post ready to share and illustrate UCWardens manipulation of my post to further his cause. I deleted when I figure there was nothing to gain. I ask myself the same question.....why did UCwarden come back after a very long hiatus to do nothing but stir the pot? He ridicules sportsman for being internet tough guys ..... yet he is doing the same. He ridicules sportsmen for not doing anything to help the sport.....when he doesn't know anything about these "anonymous" people.....and the list goes on.
I applaud you for having strong ties to LEO and wanting to back them, but your message is lost when you attack sportsman's opinions and twist their words to make you point....push your agenda. You sir have proven to be the poster child of WDFW with this post. This is the exact reason people have lost faith in WDFW. :bash: :bash:
Post by: Tbar on April 26, 2020, 11:42:23 AM
Post by: ucwarden on April 26, 2020, 11:52:48 AM
I no not want to continue this bantering back and forth, but I would like you to explain how you believe I have twisted or manipulated anyone's words on here. I simply asked for support for the WDFW officers, in standing up to some horrible comments made by an elected official. If anyone thinks I was in any way attacking the honest sportsmen on this forum, I don't understand how you arrived at that conclusion, and would welcome your explanation. I would ask both of you to respond to me by private message or by phone call, as I doubt the other forum members are finding this conversation to be all that valuable.
As far as my comments on anonymously posting; In no way did I say "you not being so tuff if I knew who you are", but rather I was simply stating my opinion on anonymous statements in general. I feel people become much more aggressive and rude (and often less truthful) when nobody knows their true identity. I have always been one who believes in looking an opponent square in the eyes and saying things to one's face.
There is absolutely no way I can convince either of you to agree with my line of thought, so I will not continue to respond to either of you on here. I do want to say one more thing, that while you two are judging me for being gone from the forum for so long, once again you are talking about something you know nothing about. Did it ever occur to you that I had a reason for being gone for so long?
Take care gentlemen, and I do hope to hear from you in a less public, and more courteous manner.
Post by: ucwarden on April 26, 2020, 11:54:08 AM
Back to the topic of Sutherland. What if he was referencing the local sheriff (outside of Snohomish county) as armed goons? Or pd? Or other LEO? You guys are deflecting the issue and attacking the WDFW, take them out of the equation. Sutherlands comments were flat out wrong and all of those who openly discount them as benign underestimate the power of a few irrational thinkers and their empowerment to change things in a hurry. I have NEVER seen Sutherland advocate for sportsman or outdoors, actually quite the opposite. He got caught up in a look at me ego stroking moment and should be held accountable. Eslick (also 39th) on ther other hand has on multiple times showed leadershipand that she cares.
Thanks for the articulate and polite message. Well said.
Post by: Special T on April 26, 2020, 11:55:00 AM
If you want to promote breaking the law, or forcing confrontation you had better think it through carefully.
How many of you think the Bundy or Hammonds events were well planned out? Do you think they could have been much better if they had? I do.
When the Anti Gun/hunting crowd rally, the have buses, coordinated shirts, unified concise messaging. While we disagree with what they are saying they execute much better than we do.
Sportsmen had better start figuring out how to play the game. There are plenty of lessons to learn from the Anti crowd. We dont have to do it the same way they do, but we had better start paying attention.
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Post by: ucwarden on April 26, 2020, 12:11:30 PM
One of the criticisms this forum receives is that it is a lot of complaining and not enough thoughtful action or discussion.
If you want to promote breaking the law, or forcing confrontation you had better think it through carefully.
How many of you think the Bundy or Hammonds events were well planned out? Do you think they could have been much better if they had? I do.
When the Anti Gun/hunting crowd rally, the have buses, coordinated shirts, unified concise messaging. While we disagree with what they are saying they execute much better than we do.
Sportsmen had better start figuring out how to play the game. There are plenty of lessons to learn from the Anti crowd. We dont have to do it the same way they do, but we had better start paying attention.
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I fully agree, and add to that we need to quit arguing among ourselves. I believe the easiest way for the anti's to get a foothold, is to get us fighting among each other. We see that when archery hunters complain about rifle hunters, and the other way around. It's called divide and conquer.
We all have our own personal pet peeves, and for me it is general criticism of game wardens. What I mean by general criticism is when I hear "they are all...." or "that's why nobody respects game wardens anymore" or any such things. I know one hell of a lot of game wardens from all across North America, and while there are a few I absolutely can't stand, I have never met a single one who I don't believe would lay their lives down to save each and every one of us.
Post by: Pegasus on April 26, 2020, 12:18:51 PM
jrebel and Pegasus:
I no not want to continue this bantering back and forth, but I would like you to explain how you believe I have twisted or manipulated anyone's words on here. I simply asked for support for the WDFW officers, in standing up to some horrible comments made by an elected official. If anyone thinks I was in any way attacking the honest sportsmen on this forum, I don't understand how you arrived at that conclusion, and would welcome your explanation. I would ask both of you to respond to me by private message or by phone call, as I doubt the other forum members are finding this conversation to be all that valuable.
As far as my comments on anonymously posting; In no way did I say "you not being so tuff if I knew who you are", but rather I was simply stating my opinion on anonymous statements in general. I feel people become much more aggressive and rude (and often less truthful) when nobody knows their true identity. I have always been one who believes in looking an opponent square in the eyes and saying things to one's face.
There is absolutely no way I can convince either of you to agree with my line of thought, so I will not continue to respond to either of you on here. I do want to say one more thing, that while you two are judging me for being gone from the forum for so long, once again you are talking about something you know nothing about. Did it ever occur to you that I had a reason for being gone for so long?
Take care gentlemen, and I do hope to hear from you in a less public, and more courteous manner.
Actually I did not find your initial post as being reasonable asking others to harass an individual. Evidently, for whatever reasons you found it not necessary to post here for a whil,e you were able to post anonymously when you wanted to stir up the pot toward your chosen victim. Once opposed you decided to twist every argument against your idiotic idea of getting anonymous posters to do your bidding. Now you continue with the tuff talk and belittling:
"As far as my comments on anonymously posting; In no way did I say "you not being so tuff if I knew who you are", but rather I was simply stating my opinion on anonymous statements in general. I feel people become much more aggressive and rude (and often less truthful) when nobody knows their true identity. I have always been one who believes in looking an opponent square in the eyes and saying things to one's face."
You have been treated more than fair here by people that disagreed with your attempt to harass an individual. You are the one that twists our words. You are the one that complained about anonymous posters on an anonymous board. You do not like people that oppose your opinion and you are unable to deal with it. You tried to make a mountain out of a molehill and you have failed miserably. You certainly have not helped the reputation of the WDFW here with your behavior.
Post by: jrebel on April 26, 2020, 12:20:10 PM
Back to the topic of Sutherland. What if he was referencing the local sheriff (outside of Snohomish county) as armed goons? Or pd? Or other LEO? You guys are deflecting the issue and attacking the WDFW, take them out of the equation. Sutherlands comments were flat out wrong and all of those who openly discount them as benign underestimate the power of a few irrational thinkers and their empowerment to change things in a hurry. I have NEVER seen Sutherland advocate for sportsman or outdoors, actually quite the opposite. He got caught up in a look at me ego stroking moment and should be held accountable. Eslick (also 39th) on ther other hand has on multiple times showed leadershipand that she cares.
Tbar
I respect what your saying and appreciate your analogy but to be clear, I am not OK with what was said (the actual words used), as stated multiple times. If that had been directed to anyone else, I would not be OK with it. Now....If the comment was directed toward any form of government, LEO, ect....and that group was deserving of a harsh verbal tongue lashing due to corruption, dishonesty, lack of meeting their obligations, etc.....I would have the same reaction and response. I think were we all differ on this topic in how we interpret what was said or how literal we took his words. I will not denounce a person for having passion about what they are talking about. Could he had used more appropriate words...yes.....and I can concede to the fact he should not have said what he did..in the way he did. But I will not call for his resignation or denounce what was said if it is going to be hypocritical to my stance.
Using your example....if the sheriff deserved harsh criticism, my response would be the same. I do not see WDFW being a deflection when the words were directed at the agency, director, etc.
Post by: Igor on April 26, 2020, 12:23:19 PM
jrebel and Pegasus:
I no not want to continue this bantering back and forth, but I would like you to explain how you believe I have twisted or manipulated anyone's words on here. I simply asked for support for the WDFW officers, in standing up to some horrible comments made by an elected official. If anyone thinks I was in any way attacking the honest sportsmen on this forum, I don't understand how you arrived at that conclusion, and would welcome your explanation. I would ask both of you to respond to me by private message or by phone call, as I doubt the other forum members are finding this conversation to be all that valuable.
As far as my comments on anonymously posting; In no way did I say "you not being so tuff if I knew who you are", but rather I was simply stating my opinion on anonymous statements in general. I feel people become much more aggressive and rude (and often less truthful) when nobody knows their true identity. I have always been one who believes in looking an opponent square in the eyes and saying things to one's face.
There is absolutely no way I can convince either of you to agree with my line of thought, so I will not continue to respond to either of you on here. I do want to say one more thing, that while you two are judging me for being gone from the forum for so long, once again you are talking about something you know nothing about. Did it ever occur to you that I had a reason for being gone for so long?
Take care gentlemen, and I do hope to hear from you in a less public, and more courteous manner.
Actually I did not find your initial post as being reasonable asking others to harass an individual. Evidently, for whatever reasons you found it not necessary to post here for a whil,e you were able to post anonymously when you wanted to stir up the pot toward your chosen victim. Once opposed you decided to twist every argument against your idiotic idea of getting anonymous posters to do your bidding. Now you continue with the tuff talk and belittling:
"As far as my comments on anonymously posting; In no way did I say "you not being so tuff if I knew who you are", but rather I was simply stating my opinion on anonymous statements in general. I feel people become much more aggressive and rude (and often less truthful) when nobody knows their true identity. I have always been one who believes in looking an opponent square in the eyes and saying things to one's face."
You have been treated more than fair here by people that disagreed with your attempt to harass an individual. You are the one that twists our words. You are the one that complained about anonymous posters on an anonymous board. You do not like people that oppose your opinion and you are unable to deal with it. You tried to make a mountain out of a molehill and you have failed miserably. You certainly have not helped the reputation of the WDFW here with your behavior.
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Post by: Tbar on April 26, 2020, 12:50:01 PM
Fair enough. Can you show me how Sutherland has been passionate about outdoorsman? Sportsman? Ever? He has had many opportunities in far less public settings to show "passion" and frankly has not even showed interest much less passion.Back to the topic of Sutherland. What if he was referencing the local sheriff (outside of Snohomish county) as armed goons? Or pd? Or other LEO? You guys are deflecting the issue and attacking the WDFW, take them out of the equation. Sutherlands comments were flat out wrong and all of those who openly discount them as benign underestimate the power of a few irrational thinkers and their empowerment to change things in a hurry. I have NEVER seen Sutherland advocate for sportsman or outdoors, actually quite the opposite. He got caught up in a look at me ego stroking moment and should be held accountable. Eslick (also 39th) on ther other hand has on multiple times showed leadershipand that she cares.
Tbar
I respect what your saying and appreciate your analogy but to be clear, I am not OK with what was said (the actual words used), as stated multiple times. If that had been directed to anyone else, I would not be OK with it. Now....If the comment was directed toward any form of government, LEO, ect....and that group was deserving of a harsh verbal tongue lashing due to corruption, dishonesty, lack of meeting their obligations, etc.....I would have the same reaction and response. I think were we all differ on this topic in how we interpret what was said or how literal we took his words. I will not denounce a person for having passion about what they are talking about. Could he had used more appropriate words...yes.....and I can concede to the fact he should not have said what he did..in the way he did. But I will not call for his resignation or denounce what was said if it is going to be hypocritical to my stance.
Using your example....if the sheriff deserved harsh criticism, my response would be the same. I do not see WDFW being a deflection when the words were directed at the agency, director, etc.
Also for those who claim someone hides behind anonymity? My feelings and comments will be articulated directly to Sutherland as well as other appropriate officials with his staffer cc'd on all with my name and contact information. I actually enjoy a level of anonymity on the forum but when the setting warrants a position I act in accordance.
Post by: ucwarden on April 26, 2020, 12:54:44 PM
Fair enough. Can you show me how Sutherland has been passionate about outdoorsman? Sportsman? Ever? He has had many opportunities in far less public settings to show "passion" and frankly has not even showed interest much less passion.Back to the topic of Sutherland. What if he was referencing the local sheriff (outside of Snohomish county) as armed goons? Or pd? Or other LEO? You guys are deflecting the issue and attacking the WDFW, take them out of the equation. Sutherlands comments were flat out wrong and all of those who openly discount them as benign underestimate the power of a few irrational thinkers and their empowerment to change things in a hurry. I have NEVER seen Sutherland advocate for sportsman or outdoors, actually quite the opposite. He got caught up in a look at me ego stroking moment and should be held accountable. Eslick (also 39th) on ther other hand has on multiple times showed leadershipand that she cares.
Tbar
I respect what your saying and appreciate your analogy but to be clear, I am not OK with what was said (the actual words used), as stated multiple times. If that had been directed to anyone else, I would not be OK with it. Now....If the comment was directed toward any form of government, LEO, ect....and that group was deserving of a harsh verbal tongue lashing due to corruption, dishonesty, lack of meeting their obligations, etc.....I would have the same reaction and response. I think were we all differ on this topic in how we interpret what was said or how literal we took his words. I will not denounce a person for having passion about what they are talking about. Could he had used more appropriate words...yes.....and I can concede to the fact he should not have said what he did..in the way he did. But I will not call for his resignation or denounce what was said if it is going to be hypocritical to my stance.
Using your example....if the sheriff deserved harsh criticism, my response would be the same. I do not see WDFW being a deflection when the words were directed at the agency, director, etc.
Also for those who claim someone hides behind anonymity? My feelings and comments will be articulated directly to Sutherland as well as other appropriate officials with his staffer cc'd on all with my name and contact information. I actually enjoy a level of anonymity on the forum but when the setting warrants a position I act in accordance.
Very well stated Tbar. Thanks for your input.
Post by: Pegasus on April 26, 2020, 01:03:10 PM
Post by: jackelope on April 26, 2020, 01:11:36 PM
There are no WDFW rep’s here.“ He posted public information about a publicly elected official. That's WAY different than posting home address and cell phone number is a random WDFW employee”
It’s not. WDFW employees are also public officials. You won’t post their home address because that’s not public information. Their name, position, work email/phone/address are. You can look up anyone who was paid off of public funds. As an example.
Http://fiscal.wa.gov/salaries.aspx
I generally support LEOs and have a lot of friends who went that route after the service. My biggest complaint would be how the good LEOs don’t police the bad LEOs. Good guys know who bad guys or people on power trips are. This seems to be a far bigger problem than the actual number of bad LEOs. Too many people being “loyal” for bad LEOs just because they’re a brother in blue. No one wants to end up like Serpico (the actual guy not the movie). You’d be amazed what people are willing to overlook because they may personally like someone or they’re just biding their time to collect a check, and that’s true across all industries. Let alone one where you might not get backup when you need it for “crossing the thin blue line”.
All of that said, I haven’t had any bad interactions with anyone from WDFW enforcement, or any other LEO, and wouldn’t seriously advocate violence against them, or any one else, for any reason. A lot of the treatment you’d get from LEOs will stem directly from how at ease you can make them during any interaction.
I already posted that but it was twisted by one of the WDFW reps here. What if we had posted Bigtex's .gov address? Oh my. But we did not and we won't post an individual's email, or phone. They have tried to twist everything that I have posted to support their agenda. They are also twisting another's words here. They need to get off their bully pulpit and stop trying to rally this public forum to do their bidding to harass an individual they want as their victim.
Only one post here so far has agreed with Sutherland. The rest, including me, have disavowed his words which he already had retracted. They are doing nothing to to enhance the reputation of the WDFW which is in dire need of repair. Instead they continue that outsiders are not part of the "Club" that can really know what is going on at the WDFW. We have to only believe them. One complains that we are posting anonymous here. What an amazing revelation. Funny after not posting here for ages he scurries to this anonymous board to get anonymous posters to do his bidding and harass an individual when he should be harassing Jay and the top of the WDFW to open hunting and fishing. The attitude that you would not be so tuff if I knew who you are is the attitude that gives law enforcement a bad name. It's an anonymous board, go complain elsewhere.
I’m curious, Pegasus. Are you good with the other thread promoting emailing all of our reps and senators asking for opening of hunting and fishing? You posted in that thread. You know it’s there. Nothing bad said about it though. And their .gov emails are posted there.
Asking for a friend.
Post by: jrebel on April 26, 2020, 01:18:45 PM
Fair enough. Can you show me how Sutherland has been passionate about outdoorsman? Sportsman? Ever? He has had many opportunities in far less public settings to show "passion" and frankly has not even showed interest much less passion.Back to the topic of Sutherland. What if he was referencing the local sheriff (outside of Snohomish county) as armed goons? Or pd? Or other LEO? You guys are deflecting the issue and attacking the WDFW, take them out of the equation. Sutherlands comments were flat out wrong and all of those who openly discount them as benign underestimate the power of a few irrational thinkers and their empowerment to change things in a hurry. I have NEVER seen Sutherland advocate for sportsman or outdoors, actually quite the opposite. He got caught up in a look at me ego stroking moment and should be held accountable. Eslick (also 39th) on ther other hand has on multiple times showed leadershipand that she cares.
In all honesty...no I don't know if or how he has advocated for our sport in the past. With that said....I don't know how many of you guys have advocated for the sport. I assume if he has enough passion to open up and speak out now....there is a bit of passion. Maybe this is what gets him into advocating for our sport. Sometimes it takes moments and times like these to kick people in the butt and make them stand up for what they believe in. He could have been more constructive in statement....but heck...sometimes you have to start somewhere!! LOL
Tbar
I respect what your saying and appreciate your analogy but to be clear, I am not OK with what was said (the actual words used), as stated multiple times. If that had been directed to anyone else, I would not be OK with it. Now....If the comment was directed toward any form of government, LEO, ect....and that group was deserving of a harsh verbal tongue lashing due to corruption, dishonesty, lack of meeting their obligations, etc.....I would have the same reaction and response. I think were we all differ on this topic in how we interpret what was said or how literal we took his words. I will not denounce a person for having passion about what they are talking about. Could he had used more appropriate words...yes.....and I can concede to the fact he should not have said what he did..in the way he did. But I will not call for his resignation or denounce what was said if it is going to be hypocritical to my stance.
Using your example....if the sheriff deserved harsh criticism, my response would be the same. I do not see WDFW being a deflection when the words were directed at the agency, director, etc.
Also for those who claim someone hides behind anonymity? My feelings and comments will be articulated directly to Sutherland as well as other appropriate officials with his staffer cc'd on all with my name and contact information. I actually enjoy a level of anonymity on the forum but when the setting warrants a position I act in accordance.
Post by: ucwarden on April 26, 2020, 01:29:53 PM
Got a PM from the OP. Wants me to stop posting here. Does not like opposition to his agenda in the open forum. Not going to happen. Not going to silence his critics. Not going to intimidate them into silence.
And here is the oppressive PM I sent to jrebel and Pegasus:
Gentlemen:
I see you once again are at it on the forum, coming at me, so I will repeat what I said on there before. Perhaps it's time to take this conversation off of the forum, and into a less public setting, as this has absolutely nothing to do with the subject at hand.
Please feel free to tell me whatever is on your minds, so we can have a rational civilized conversation, where nobody is posing for the group.
Todd Vandivert
Post by: Pegasus on April 26, 2020, 01:33:29 PM
There are no WDFW rep’s here.“ He posted public information about a publicly elected official. That's WAY different than posting home address and cell phone number is a random WDFW employee”
It’s not. WDFW employees are also public officials. You won’t post their home address because that’s not public information. Their name, position, work email/phone/address are. You can look up anyone who was paid off of public funds. As an example.
Http://fiscal.wa.gov/salaries.aspx
I generally support LEOs and have a lot of friends who went that route after the service. My biggest complaint would be how the good LEOs don’t police the bad LEOs. Good guys know who bad guys or people on power trips are. This seems to be a far bigger problem than the actual number of bad LEOs. Too many people being “loyal” for bad LEOs just because they’re a brother in blue. No one wants to end up like Serpico (the actual guy not the movie). You’d be amazed what people are willing to overlook because they may personally like someone or they’re just biding their time to collect a check, and that’s true across all industries. Let alone one where you might not get backup when you need it for “crossing the thin blue line”.
All of that said, I haven’t had any bad interactions with anyone from WDFW enforcement, or any other LEO, and wouldn’t seriously advocate violence against them, or any one else, for any reason. A lot of the treatment you’d get from LEOs will stem directly from how at ease you can make them during any interaction.
I already posted that but it was twisted by one of the WDFW reps here. What if we had posted Bigtex's .gov address? Oh my. But we did not and we won't post an individual's email, or phone. They have tried to twist everything that I have posted to support their agenda. They are also twisting another's words here. They need to get off their bully pulpit and stop trying to rally this public forum to do their bidding to harass an individual they want as their victim.
Only one post here so far has agreed with Sutherland. The rest, including me, have disavowed his words which he already had retracted. They are doing nothing to to enhance the reputation of the WDFW which is in dire need of repair. Instead they continue that outsiders are not part of the "Club" that can really know what is going on at the WDFW. We have to only believe them. One complains that we are posting anonymous here. What an amazing revelation. Funny after not posting here for ages he scurries to this anonymous board to get anonymous posters to do his bidding and harass an individual when he should be harassing Jay and the top of the WDFW to open hunting and fishing. The attitude that you would not be so tuff if I knew who you are is the attitude that gives law enforcement a bad name. It's an anonymous board, go complain elsewhere.
I’m curious, Pegasus. Are you good with the other thread promoting emailing all of our reps and senators asking for opening of hunting and fishing? You posted in that thread. You know it’s there. Nothing bad said about it though. And their .gov emails are posted there.
Asking for a friend.
I have no problem with the other thread. I do have a problem with what the OP here was doing. He was trying to torch an individual by securing emails from others here. I am pretty sure you can see the difference. It is a personal attack on Sutherland. It is not a request to please help us open fishing and hunting. Unfortunately the OP does not handle criticism very well. He must have been great to run into in the field. It's his way or the highway here or he will twist your posts and try to belittle the opposition. He just can't handle being called out on it. He does not need to try to get his opposition stopped from posting here.
Post by: bigtex on April 26, 2020, 01:38:09 PM
You do realize there is more going on in the world than opening hunting and fishing right? Or is that the only thing we should email people about?There are no WDFW rep’s here.“ He posted public information about a publicly elected official. That's WAY different than posting home address and cell phone number is a random WDFW employee”
It’s not. WDFW employees are also public officials. You won’t post their home address because that’s not public information. Their name, position, work email/phone/address are. You can look up anyone who was paid off of public funds. As an example.
Http://fiscal.wa.gov/salaries.aspx
I generally support LEOs and have a lot of friends who went that route after the service. My biggest complaint would be how the good LEOs don’t police the bad LEOs. Good guys know who bad guys or people on power trips are. This seems to be a far bigger problem than the actual number of bad LEOs. Too many people being “loyal” for bad LEOs just because they’re a brother in blue. No one wants to end up like Serpico (the actual guy not the movie). You’d be amazed what people are willing to overlook because they may personally like someone or they’re just biding their time to collect a check, and that’s true across all industries. Let alone one where you might not get backup when you need it for “crossing the thin blue line”.
All of that said, I haven’t had any bad interactions with anyone from WDFW enforcement, or any other LEO, and wouldn’t seriously advocate violence against them, or any one else, for any reason. A lot of the treatment you’d get from LEOs will stem directly from how at ease you can make them during any interaction.
I already posted that but it was twisted by one of the WDFW reps here. What if we had posted Bigtex's .gov address? Oh my. But we did not and we won't post an individual's email, or phone. They have tried to twist everything that I have posted to support their agenda. They are also twisting another's words here. They need to get off their bully pulpit and stop trying to rally this public forum to do their bidding to harass an individual they want as their victim.
Only one post here so far has agreed with Sutherland. The rest, including me, have disavowed his words which he already had retracted. They are doing nothing to to enhance the reputation of the WDFW which is in dire need of repair. Instead they continue that outsiders are not part of the "Club" that can really know what is going on at the WDFW. We have to only believe them. One complains that we are posting anonymous here. What an amazing revelation. Funny after not posting here for ages he scurries to this anonymous board to get anonymous posters to do his bidding and harass an individual when he should be harassing Jay and the top of the WDFW to open hunting and fishing. The attitude that you would not be so tuff if I knew who you are is the attitude that gives law enforcement a bad name. It's an anonymous board, go complain elsewhere.
I’m curious, Pegasus. Are you good with the other thread promoting emailing all of our reps and senators asking for opening of hunting and fishing? You posted in that thread. You know it’s there. Nothing bad said about it though. And their .gov emails are posted there.
Asking for a friend.
I have no problem with the other thread. I do have a problem with what the OP here was doing. He was trying to torch an individual by securing emails from others here. I am pretty sure you can see the difference. It is a personal attack on Sutherland. It is not a request to please help us open fishing and hunting. Unfortunately the OP does not handle criticism very well. He must have been great to run into in the field. It's his way or the highway here or he will twist your posts and try to belittle the opposition. He just can't handle being called out on it. He does not need to try to get his opposition stopped from posting here.
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Post by: Pegasus on April 26, 2020, 01:57:59 PM
There are no WDFW rep’s here.“ He posted public information about a publicly elected official. That's WAY different than posting home address and cell phone number is a random WDFW employee”
It’s not. WDFW employees are also public officials. You won’t post their home address because that’s not public information. Their name, position, work email/phone/address are. You can look up anyone who was paid off of public funds. As an example.
Http://fiscal.wa.gov/salaries.aspx
I generally support LEOs and have a lot of friends who went that route after the service. My biggest complaint would be how the good LEOs don’t police the bad LEOs. Good guys know who bad guys or people on power trips are. This seems to be a far bigger problem than the actual number of bad LEOs. Too many people being “loyal” for bad LEOs just because they’re a brother in blue. No one wants to end up like Serpico (the actual guy not the movie). You’d be amazed what people are willing to overlook because they may personally like someone or they’re just biding their time to collect a check, and that’s true across all industries. Let alone one where you might not get backup when you need it for “crossing the thin blue line”.
All of that said, I haven’t had any bad interactions with anyone from WDFW enforcement, or any other LEO, and wouldn’t seriously advocate violence against them, or any one else, for any reason. A lot of the treatment you’d get from LEOs will stem directly from how at ease you can make them during any interaction.
I already posted that but it was twisted by one of the WDFW reps here. What if we had posted Bigtex's .gov address? Oh my. But we did not and we won't post an individual's email, or phone. They have tried to twist everything that I have posted to support their agenda. They are also twisting another's words here. They need to get off their bully pulpit and stop trying to rally this public forum to do their bidding to harass an individual they want as their victim.
Only one post here so far has agreed with Sutherland. The rest, including me, have disavowed his words which he already had retracted. They are doing nothing to to enhance the reputation of the WDFW which is in dire need of repair. Instead they continue that outsiders are not part of the "Club" that can really know what is going on at the WDFW. We have to only believe them. One complains that we are posting anonymous here. What an amazing revelation. Funny after not posting here for ages he scurries to this anonymous board to get anonymous posters to do his bidding and harass an individual when he should be harassing Jay and the top of the WDFW to open hunting and fishing. The attitude that you would not be so tuff if I knew who you are is the attitude that gives law enforcement a bad name. It's an anonymous board, go complain elsewhere.
I’m curious, Pegasus. Are you good with the other thread promoting emailing all of our reps and senators asking for opening of hunting and fishing? You posted in that thread. You know it’s there. Nothing bad said about it though. And their .gov emails are posted there.
Asking for a friend.
I have no problem with the other thread. I do have a problem with what the OP here was doing. He was trying to torch an individual by securing emails from others here. I am pretty sure you can see the difference. It is a personal attack on Sutherland. It is not a request to please help us open fishing and hunting. Unfortunately the OP does not handle criticism very well. He must have been great to run into in the field. It's his way or the highway here or he will twist your posts and try to belittle the opposition. He just can't handle being called out on it. He does not need to try to get his opposition stopped from posting here.
You do realize there is more going on in the world than opening hunting and fishing right? Or is that the only thing we should email people about?
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Ah geez Bigtex you do realize that the thread that Jackelope asked about is....wait for it........a thread about hunting and fishing? Here is what the OP of that thread in his first post said:
"but it is important for everyone to see and hopefully email their representatives. Please leave this in a place for all to see. If you send an email feel free to respond with "e-mail sent" but don't start a bashing thread that gets this moved to a locked status or forum where not everyone can see it. Feel free to post responses from your reps if you feel it appropriate. It will be interesting to see who back our hunting and fishing heritage and who doesn't. Cheers"
Get it BigTex? But thanks for trying to diminish my answer to Jackalope's question.
Post by: hunter399 on April 26, 2020, 02:00:24 PM
You do realize people pay for hunting and fishing on dates that are posted in a regulation booklet.You do realize there is more going on in the world than opening hunting and fishing right? Or is that the only thing we should email people about?There are no WDFW rep’s here.“ He posted public information about a publicly elected official. That's WAY different than posting home address and cell phone number is a random WDFW employee”
It’s not. WDFW employees are also public officials. You won’t post their home address because that’s not public information. Their name, position, work email/phone/address are. You can look up anyone who was paid off of public funds. As an example.
Http://fiscal.wa.gov/salaries.aspx
I generally support LEOs and have a lot of friends who went that route after the service. My biggest complaint would be how the good LEOs don’t police the bad LEOs. Good guys know who bad guys or people on power trips are. This seems to be a far bigger problem than the actual number of bad LEOs. Too many people being “loyal” for bad LEOs just because they’re a brother in blue. No one wants to end up like Serpico (the actual guy not the movie). You’d be amazed what people are willing to overlook because they may personally like someone or they’re just biding their time to collect a check, and that’s true across all industries. Let alone one where you might not get backup when you need it for “crossing the thin blue line”.
All of that said, I haven’t had any bad interactions with anyone from WDFW enforcement, or any other LEO, and wouldn’t seriously advocate violence against them, or any one else, for any reason. A lot of the treatment you’d get from LEOs will stem directly from how at ease you can make them during any interaction.
I already posted that but it was twisted by one of the WDFW reps here. What if we had posted Bigtex's .gov address? Oh my. But we did not and we won't post an individual's email, or phone. They have tried to twist everything that I have posted to support their agenda. They are also twisting another's words here. They need to get off their bully pulpit and stop trying to rally this public forum to do their bidding to harass an individual they want as their victim.
Only one post here so far has agreed with Sutherland. The rest, including me, have disavowed his words which he already had retracted. They are doing nothing to to enhance the reputation of the WDFW which is in dire need of repair. Instead they continue that outsiders are not part of the "Club" that can really know what is going on at the WDFW. We have to only believe them. One complains that we are posting anonymous here. What an amazing revelation. Funny after not posting here for ages he scurries to this anonymous board to get anonymous posters to do his bidding and harass an individual when he should be harassing Jay and the top of the WDFW to open hunting and fishing. The attitude that you would not be so tuff if I knew who you are is the attitude that gives law enforcement a bad name. It's an anonymous board, go complain elsewhere.
I’m curious, Pegasus. Are you good with the other thread promoting emailing all of our reps and senators asking for opening of hunting and fishing? You posted in that thread. You know it’s there. Nothing bad said about it though. And their .gov emails are posted there.
Asking for a friend.
I have no problem with the other thread. I do have a problem with what the OP here was doing. He was trying to torch an individual by securing emails from others here. I am pretty sure you can see the difference. It is a personal attack on Sutherland. It is not a request to please help us open fishing and hunting. Unfortunately the OP does not handle criticism very well. He must have been great to run into in the field. It's his way or the highway here or he will twist your posts and try to belittle the opposition. He just can't handle being called out on it. He does not need to try to get his opposition stopped from posting here.
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Post by: bigtex on April 26, 2020, 02:05:29 PM
There are no WDFW rep’s here.“ He posted public information about a publicly elected official. That's WAY different than posting home address and cell phone number is a random WDFW employee”
It’s not. WDFW employees are also public officials. You won’t post their home address because that’s not public information. Their name, position, work email/phone/address are. You can look up anyone who was paid off of public funds. As an example.
Http://fiscal.wa.gov/salaries.aspx
I generally support LEOs and have a lot of friends who went that route after the service. My biggest complaint would be how the good LEOs don’t police the bad LEOs. Good guys know who bad guys or people on power trips are. This seems to be a far bigger problem than the actual number of bad LEOs. Too many people being “loyal” for bad LEOs just because they’re a brother in blue. No one wants to end up like Serpico (the actual guy not the movie). You’d be amazed what people are willing to overlook because they may personally like someone or they’re just biding their time to collect a check, and that’s true across all industries. Let alone one where you might not get backup when you need it for “crossing the thin blue line”.
All of that said, I haven’t had any bad interactions with anyone from WDFW enforcement, or any other LEO, and wouldn’t seriously advocate violence against them, or any one else, for any reason. A lot of the treatment you’d get from LEOs will stem directly from how at ease you can make them during any interaction.
I already posted that but it was twisted by one of the WDFW reps here. What if we had posted Bigtex's .gov address? Oh my. But we did not and we won't post an individual's email, or phone. They have tried to twist everything that I have posted to support their agenda. They are also twisting another's words here. They need to get off their bully pulpit and stop trying to rally this public forum to do their bidding to harass an individual they want as their victim.
Only one post here so far has agreed with Sutherland. The rest, including me, have disavowed his words which he already had retracted. They are doing nothing to to enhance the reputation of the WDFW which is in dire need of repair. Instead they continue that outsiders are not part of the "Club" that can really know what is going on at the WDFW. We have to only believe them. One complains that we are posting anonymous here. What an amazing revelation. Funny after not posting here for ages he scurries to this anonymous board to get anonymous posters to do his bidding and harass an individual when he should be harassing Jay and the top of the WDFW to open hunting and fishing. The attitude that you would not be so tuff if I knew who you are is the attitude that gives law enforcement a bad name. It's an anonymous board, go complain elsewhere.
I’m curious, Pegasus. Are you good with the other thread promoting emailing all of our reps and senators asking for opening of hunting and fishing? You posted in that thread. You know it’s there. Nothing bad said about it though. And their .gov emails are posted there.
Asking for a friend.
I have no problem with the other thread. I do have a problem with what the OP here was doing. He was trying to torch an individual by securing emails from others here. I am pretty sure you can see the difference. It is a personal attack on Sutherland. It is not a request to please help us open fishing and hunting. Unfortunately the OP does not handle criticism very well. He must have been great to run into in the field. It's his way or the highway here or he will twist your posts and try to belittle the opposition. He just can't handle being called out on it. He does not need to try to get his opposition stopped from posting here.
You do realize there is more going on in the world than opening hunting and fishing right? Or is that the only thing we should email people about?
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Ah geez Bigtex you do realize that the thread that Jackelope asked about is....wait for it........a thread about hunting and fishing? Here is what the OP of that thread in his first post said:
"but it is important for everyone to see and hopefully email their representatives. Please leave this in a place for all to see. If you send an email feel free to respond with "e-mail sent" but don't start a bashing thread that gets this moved to a locked status or forum where not everyone can see it. Feel free to post responses from your reps if you feel it appropriate. It will be interesting to see who back our hunting and fishing heritage and who doesn't. Cheers"
Get it BigTex? But thanks for trying to diminish my answer to Jackalope's question.
Ah geez Pegasus. You also stated "it is a personal attack on Sutherland. It is not a request to please help us open hunting and fishing."There are no WDFW rep’s here.“ He posted public information about a publicly elected official. That's WAY different than posting home address and cell phone number is a random WDFW employee”
It’s not. WDFW employees are also public officials. You won’t post their home address because that’s not public information. Their name, position, work email/phone/address are. You can look up anyone who was paid off of public funds. As an example.
Http://fiscal.wa.gov/salaries.aspx
I generally support LEOs and have a lot of friends who went that route after the service. My biggest complaint would be how the good LEOs don’t police the bad LEOs. Good guys know who bad guys or people on power trips are. This seems to be a far bigger problem than the actual number of bad LEOs. Too many people being “loyal” for bad LEOs just because they’re a brother in blue. No one wants to end up like Serpico (the actual guy not the movie). You’d be amazed what people are willing to overlook because they may personally like someone or they’re just biding their time to collect a check, and that’s true across all industries. Let alone one where you might not get backup when you need it for “crossing the thin blue line”.
All of that said, I haven’t had any bad interactions with anyone from WDFW enforcement, or any other LEO, and wouldn’t seriously advocate violence against them, or any one else, for any reason. A lot of the treatment you’d get from LEOs will stem directly from how at ease you can make them during any interaction.
I already posted that but it was twisted by one of the WDFW reps here. What if we had posted Bigtex's .gov address? Oh my. But we did not and we won't post an individual's email, or phone. They have tried to twist everything that I have posted to support their agenda. They are also twisting another's words here. They need to get off their bully pulpit and stop trying to rally this public forum to do their bidding to harass an individual they want as their victim.
Only one post here so far has agreed with Sutherland. The rest, including me, have disavowed his words which he already had retracted. They are doing nothing to to enhance the reputation of the WDFW which is in dire need of repair. Instead they continue that outsiders are not part of the "Club" that can really know what is going on at the WDFW. We have to only believe them. One complains that we are posting anonymous here. What an amazing revelation. Funny after not posting here for ages he scurries to this anonymous board to get anonymous posters to do his bidding and harass an individual when he should be harassing Jay and the top of the WDFW to open hunting and fishing. The attitude that you would not be so tuff if I knew who you are is the attitude that gives law enforcement a bad name. It's an anonymous board, go complain elsewhere.
I’m curious, Pegasus. Are you good with the other thread promoting emailing all of our reps and senators asking for opening of hunting and fishing? You posted in that thread. You know it’s there. Nothing bad said about it though. And their .gov emails are posted there.
Asking for a friend.
I have no problem with the other thread. I do have a problem with what the OP here was doing. He was trying to torch an individual by securing emails from others here. I am pretty sure you can see the difference. It is a personal attack on Sutherland. It is not a request to please help us open fishing and hunting. Unfortunately the OP does not handle criticism very well. He must have been great to run into in the field. It's his way or the highway here or he will twist your posts and try to belittle the opposition. He just can't handle being called out on it. He does not need to try to get his opposition stopped from posting here.
You're right, UC's request has nothing to do with opening hunting and fishing, and guess what, that's okay because we live in a world where we can do more than tackle one topic at a time and not just be stuck on opening hunting/fishing 24/7.
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Post by: ucwarden on April 26, 2020, 02:07:41 PM
Thanks
Post by: Pegasus on April 26, 2020, 02:11:30 PM
There are no WDFW rep’s here.“ He posted public information about a publicly elected official. That's WAY different than posting home address and cell phone number is a random WDFW employee”
It’s not. WDFW employees are also public officials. You won’t post their home address because that’s not public information. Their name, position, work email/phone/address are. You can look up anyone who was paid off of public funds. As an example.
Http://fiscal.wa.gov/salaries.aspx
I generally support LEOs and have a lot of friends who went that route after the service. My biggest complaint would be how the good LEOs don’t police the bad LEOs. Good guys know who bad guys or people on power trips are. This seems to be a far bigger problem than the actual number of bad LEOs. Too many people being “loyal” for bad LEOs just because they’re a brother in blue. No one wants to end up like Serpico (the actual guy not the movie). You’d be amazed what people are willing to overlook because they may personally like someone or they’re just biding their time to collect a check, and that’s true across all industries. Let alone one where you might not get backup when you need it for “crossing the thin blue line”.
All of that said, I haven’t had any bad interactions with anyone from WDFW enforcement, or any other LEO, and wouldn’t seriously advocate violence against them, or any one else, for any reason. A lot of the treatment you’d get from LEOs will stem directly from how at ease you can make them during any interaction.
I already posted that but it was twisted by one of the WDFW reps here. What if we had posted Bigtex's .gov address? Oh my. But we did not and we won't post an individual's email, or phone. They have tried to twist everything that I have posted to support their agenda. They are also twisting another's words here. They need to get off their bully pulpit and stop trying to rally this public forum to do their bidding to harass an individual they want as their victim.
Only one post here so far has agreed with Sutherland. The rest, including me, have disavowed his words which he already had retracted. They are doing nothing to to enhance the reputation of the WDFW which is in dire need of repair. Instead they continue that outsiders are not part of the "Club" that can really know what is going on at the WDFW. We have to only believe them. One complains that we are posting anonymous here. What an amazing revelation. Funny after not posting here for ages he scurries to this anonymous board to get anonymous posters to do his bidding and harass an individual when he should be harassing Jay and the top of the WDFW to open hunting and fishing. The attitude that you would not be so tuff if I knew who you are is the attitude that gives law enforcement a bad name. It's an anonymous board, go complain elsewhere.
I’m curious, Pegasus. Are you good with the other thread promoting emailing all of our reps and senators asking for opening of hunting and fishing? You posted in that thread. You know it’s there. Nothing bad said about it though. And their .gov emails are posted there.
Asking for a friend.
I have no problem with the other thread. I do have a problem with what the OP here was doing. He was trying to torch an individual by securing emails from others here. I am pretty sure you can see the difference. It is a personal attack on Sutherland. It is not a request to please help us open fishing and hunting. Unfortunately the OP does not handle criticism very well. He must have been great to run into in the field. It's his way or the highway here or he will twist your posts and try to belittle the opposition. He just can't handle being called out on it. He does not need to try to get his opposition stopped from posting here.
You do realize there is more going on in the world than opening hunting and fishing right? Or is that the only thing we should email people about?
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Ah geez Bigtex you do realize that the thread that Jackelope asked about is....wait for it........a thread about hunting and fishing? Here is what the OP of that thread in his first post said:
"but it is important for everyone to see and hopefully email their representatives. Please leave this in a place for all to see. If you send an email feel free to respond with "e-mail sent" but don't start a bashing thread that gets this moved to a locked status or forum where not everyone can see it. Feel free to post responses from your reps if you feel it appropriate. It will be interesting to see who back our hunting and fishing heritage and who doesn't. Cheers"
Get it BigTex? But thanks for trying to diminish my answer to Jackalope's question.Ah geez Pegasus. You also stated "it is a personal attack on Sutherland. It is not a request to please help us open hunting and fishing."There are no WDFW rep’s here.“ He posted public information about a publicly elected official. That's WAY different than posting home address and cell phone number is a random WDFW employee”
It’s not. WDFW employees are also public officials. You won’t post their home address because that’s not public information. Their name, position, work email/phone/address are. You can look up anyone who was paid off of public funds. As an example.
Http://fiscal.wa.gov/salaries.aspx
I generally support LEOs and have a lot of friends who went that route after the service. My biggest complaint would be how the good LEOs don’t police the bad LEOs. Good guys know who bad guys or people on power trips are. This seems to be a far bigger problem than the actual number of bad LEOs. Too many people being “loyal” for bad LEOs just because they’re a brother in blue. No one wants to end up like Serpico (the actual guy not the movie). You’d be amazed what people are willing to overlook because they may personally like someone or they’re just biding their time to collect a check, and that’s true across all industries. Let alone one where you might not get backup when you need it for “crossing the thin blue line”.
All of that said, I haven’t had any bad interactions with anyone from WDFW enforcement, or any other LEO, and wouldn’t seriously advocate violence against them, or any one else, for any reason. A lot of the treatment you’d get from LEOs will stem directly from how at ease you can make them during any interaction.
I already posted that but it was twisted by one of the WDFW reps here. What if we had posted Bigtex's .gov address? Oh my. But we did not and we won't post an individual's email, or phone. They have tried to twist everything that I have posted to support their agenda. They are also twisting another's words here. They need to get off their bully pulpit and stop trying to rally this public forum to do their bidding to harass an individual they want as their victim.
Only one post here so far has agreed with Sutherland. The rest, including me, have disavowed his words which he already had retracted. They are doing nothing to to enhance the reputation of the WDFW which is in dire need of repair. Instead they continue that outsiders are not part of the "Club" that can really know what is going on at the WDFW. We have to only believe them. One complains that we are posting anonymous here. What an amazing revelation. Funny after not posting here for ages he scurries to this anonymous board to get anonymous posters to do his bidding and harass an individual when he should be harassing Jay and the top of the WDFW to open hunting and fishing. The attitude that you would not be so tuff if I knew who you are is the attitude that gives law enforcement a bad name. It's an anonymous board, go complain elsewhere.
I’m curious, Pegasus. Are you good with the other thread promoting emailing all of our reps and senators asking for opening of hunting and fishing? You posted in that thread. You know it’s there. Nothing bad said about it though. And their .gov emails are posted there.
Asking for a friend.
I have no problem with the other thread. I do have a problem with what the OP here was doing. He was trying to torch an individual by securing emails from others here. I am pretty sure you can see the difference. It is a personal attack on Sutherland. It is not a request to please help us open fishing and hunting. Unfortunately the OP does not handle criticism very well. He must have been great to run into in the field. It's his way or the highway here or he will twist your posts and try to belittle the opposition. He just can't handle being called out on it. He does not need to try to get his opposition stopped from posting here.
You're right, UC's request has nothing to do with opening hunting and fishing, and guess what, that's okay because we live in a world where we can do more than tackle one topic at a time and not just be stuck on opening hunting/fishing 24/7.
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Ah geez BigTex now you are golng to pretend you where responding to an older post when you clearly quoted my most recent? How immature. And you thought we would not catch you in the deception.
Post by: bigtex on April 26, 2020, 02:17:45 PM
I did not mean to quote the "I have no problem with the other thread" post. I am doing all of this on my phone right now.There are no WDFW rep’s here.“ He posted public information about a publicly elected official. That's WAY different than posting home address and cell phone number is a random WDFW employee”
It’s not. WDFW employees are also public officials. You won’t post their home address because that’s not public information. Their name, position, work email/phone/address are. You can look up anyone who was paid off of public funds. As an example.
Http://fiscal.wa.gov/salaries.aspx
I generally support LEOs and have a lot of friends who went that route after the service. My biggest complaint would be how the good LEOs don’t police the bad LEOs. Good guys know who bad guys or people on power trips are. This seems to be a far bigger problem than the actual number of bad LEOs. Too many people being “loyal” for bad LEOs just because they’re a brother in blue. No one wants to end up like Serpico (the actual guy not the movie). You’d be amazed what people are willing to overlook because they may personally like someone or they’re just biding their time to collect a check, and that’s true across all industries. Let alone one where you might not get backup when you need it for “crossing the thin blue line”.
All of that said, I haven’t had any bad interactions with anyone from WDFW enforcement, or any other LEO, and wouldn’t seriously advocate violence against them, or any one else, for any reason. A lot of the treatment you’d get from LEOs will stem directly from how at ease you can make them during any interaction.
I already posted that but it was twisted by one of the WDFW reps here. What if we had posted Bigtex's .gov address? Oh my. But we did not and we won't post an individual's email, or phone. They have tried to twist everything that I have posted to support their agenda. They are also twisting another's words here. They need to get off their bully pulpit and stop trying to rally this public forum to do their bidding to harass an individual they want as their victim.
Only one post here so far has agreed with Sutherland. The rest, including me, have disavowed his words which he already had retracted. They are doing nothing to to enhance the reputation of the WDFW which is in dire need of repair. Instead they continue that outsiders are not part of the "Club" that can really know what is going on at the WDFW. We have to only believe them. One complains that we are posting anonymous here. What an amazing revelation. Funny after not posting here for ages he scurries to this anonymous board to get anonymous posters to do his bidding and harass an individual when he should be harassing Jay and the top of the WDFW to open hunting and fishing. The attitude that you would not be so tuff if I knew who you are is the attitude that gives law enforcement a bad name. It's an anonymous board, go complain elsewhere.
I’m curious, Pegasus. Are you good with the other thread promoting emailing all of our reps and senators asking for opening of hunting and fishing? You posted in that thread. You know it’s there. Nothing bad said about it though. And their .gov emails are posted there.
Asking for a friend.
I have no problem with the other thread. I do have a problem with what the OP here was doing. He was trying to torch an individual by securing emails from others here. I am pretty sure you can see the difference. It is a personal attack on Sutherland. It is not a request to please help us open fishing and hunting. Unfortunately the OP does not handle criticism very well. He must have been great to run into in the field. It's his way or the highway here or he will twist your posts and try to belittle the opposition. He just can't handle being called out on it. He does not need to try to get his opposition stopped from posting here.
You do realize there is more going on in the world than opening hunting and fishing right? Or is that the only thing we should email people about?
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Ah geez Bigtex you do realize that the thread that Jackelope asked about is....wait for it........a thread about hunting and fishing? Here is what the OP of that thread in his first post said:
"but it is important for everyone to see and hopefully email their representatives. Please leave this in a place for all to see. If you send an email feel free to respond with "e-mail sent" but don't start a bashing thread that gets this moved to a locked status or forum where not everyone can see it. Feel free to post responses from your reps if you feel it appropriate. It will be interesting to see who back our hunting and fishing heritage and who doesn't. Cheers"
Get it BigTex? But thanks for trying to diminish my answer to Jackalope's question.Ah geez Pegasus. You also stated "it is a personal attack on Sutherland. It is not a request to please help us open hunting and fishing."There are no WDFW rep’s here.“ He posted public information about a publicly elected official. That's WAY different than posting home address and cell phone number is a random WDFW employee”
It’s not. WDFW employees are also public officials. You won’t post their home address because that’s not public information. Their name, position, work email/phone/address are. You can look up anyone who was paid off of public funds. As an example.
Http://fiscal.wa.gov/salaries.aspx
I generally support LEOs and have a lot of friends who went that route after the service. My biggest complaint would be how the good LEOs don’t police the bad LEOs. Good guys know who bad guys or people on power trips are. This seems to be a far bigger problem than the actual number of bad LEOs. Too many people being “loyal” for bad LEOs just because they’re a brother in blue. No one wants to end up like Serpico (the actual guy not the movie). You’d be amazed what people are willing to overlook because they may personally like someone or they’re just biding their time to collect a check, and that’s true across all industries. Let alone one where you might not get backup when you need it for “crossing the thin blue line”.
All of that said, I haven’t had any bad interactions with anyone from WDFW enforcement, or any other LEO, and wouldn’t seriously advocate violence against them, or any one else, for any reason. A lot of the treatment you’d get from LEOs will stem directly from how at ease you can make them during any interaction.
I already posted that but it was twisted by one of the WDFW reps here. What if we had posted Bigtex's .gov address? Oh my. But we did not and we won't post an individual's email, or phone. They have tried to twist everything that I have posted to support their agenda. They are also twisting another's words here. They need to get off their bully pulpit and stop trying to rally this public forum to do their bidding to harass an individual they want as their victim.
Only one post here so far has agreed with Sutherland. The rest, including me, have disavowed his words which he already had retracted. They are doing nothing to to enhance the reputation of the WDFW which is in dire need of repair. Instead they continue that outsiders are not part of the "Club" that can really know what is going on at the WDFW. We have to only believe them. One complains that we are posting anonymous here. What an amazing revelation. Funny after not posting here for ages he scurries to this anonymous board to get anonymous posters to do his bidding and harass an individual when he should be harassing Jay and the top of the WDFW to open hunting and fishing. The attitude that you would not be so tuff if I knew who you are is the attitude that gives law enforcement a bad name. It's an anonymous board, go complain elsewhere.
I’m curious, Pegasus. Are you good with the other thread promoting emailing all of our reps and senators asking for opening of hunting and fishing? You posted in that thread. You know it’s there. Nothing bad said about it though. And their .gov emails are posted there.
Asking for a friend.
I have no problem with the other thread. I do have a problem with what the OP here was doing. He was trying to torch an individual by securing emails from others here. I am pretty sure you can see the difference. It is a personal attack on Sutherland. It is not a request to please help us open fishing and hunting. Unfortunately the OP does not handle criticism very well. He must have been great to run into in the field. It's his way or the highway here or he will twist your posts and try to belittle the opposition. He just can't handle being called out on it. He does not need to try to get his opposition stopped from posting here.
You're right, UC's request has nothing to do with opening hunting and fishing, and guess what, that's okay because we live in a world where we can do more than tackle one topic at a time and not just be stuck on opening hunting/fishing 24/7.
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Ah geez BigTex now you are golng to pretend you where responding to an older post when you clearly quoted my most recent? How immature. And you thought we would not catch you in the deception.
My point continues to be that you continue to deflect on the Sutherland topic and say we should only be worried about opening hunting and fishing. You've mentioned it several times.
I guess who cares about legislators bashing game wardens, I want to go fishing!
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Post by: Pegasus on April 26, 2020, 02:29:15 PM
I did not mean to quote the "I have no problem with the other thread" post. I am doing all of this on my phone right now.There are no WDFW rep’s here.“ He posted public information about a publicly elected official. That's WAY different than posting home address and cell phone number is a random WDFW employee”
It’s not. WDFW employees are also public officials. You won’t post their home address because that’s not public information. Their name, position, work email/phone/address are. You can look up anyone who was paid off of public funds. As an example.
Http://fiscal.wa.gov/salaries.aspx
I generally support LEOs and have a lot of friends who went that route after the service. My biggest complaint would be how the good LEOs don’t police the bad LEOs. Good guys know who bad guys or people on power trips are. This seems to be a far bigger problem than the actual number of bad LEOs. Too many people being “loyal” for bad LEOs just because they’re a brother in blue. No one wants to end up like Serpico (the actual guy not the movie). You’d be amazed what people are willing to overlook because they may personally like someone or they’re just biding their time to collect a check, and that’s true across all industries. Let alone one where you might not get backup when you need it for “crossing the thin blue line”.
All of that said, I haven’t had any bad interactions with anyone from WDFW enforcement, or any other LEO, and wouldn’t seriously advocate violence against them, or any one else, for any reason. A lot of the treatment you’d get from LEOs will stem directly from how at ease you can make them during any interaction.
I already posted that but it was twisted by one of the WDFW reps here. What if we had posted Bigtex's .gov address? Oh my. But we did not and we won't post an individual's email, or phone. They have tried to twist everything that I have posted to support their agenda. They are also twisting another's words here. They need to get off their bully pulpit and stop trying to rally this public forum to do their bidding to harass an individual they want as their victim.
Only one post here so far has agreed with Sutherland. The rest, including me, have disavowed his words which he already had retracted. They are doing nothing to to enhance the reputation of the WDFW which is in dire need of repair. Instead they continue that outsiders are not part of the "Club" that can really know what is going on at the WDFW. We have to only believe them. One complains that we are posting anonymous here. What an amazing revelation. Funny after not posting here for ages he scurries to this anonymous board to get anonymous posters to do his bidding and harass an individual when he should be harassing Jay and the top of the WDFW to open hunting and fishing. The attitude that you would not be so tuff if I knew who you are is the attitude that gives law enforcement a bad name. It's an anonymous board, go complain elsewhere.
I’m curious, Pegasus. Are you good with the other thread promoting emailing all of our reps and senators asking for opening of hunting and fishing? You posted in that thread. You know it’s there. Nothing bad said about it though. And their .gov emails are posted there.
Asking for a friend.
I have no problem with the other thread. I do have a problem with what the OP here was doing. He was trying to torch an individual by securing emails from others here. I am pretty sure you can see the difference. It is a personal attack on Sutherland. It is not a request to please help us open fishing and hunting. Unfortunately the OP does not handle criticism very well. He must have been great to run into in the field. It's his way or the highway here or he will twist your posts and try to belittle the opposition. He just can't handle being called out on it. He does not need to try to get his opposition stopped from posting here.
You do realize there is more going on in the world than opening hunting and fishing right? Or is that the only thing we should email people about?
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Ah geez Bigtex you do realize that the thread that Jackelope asked about is....wait for it........a thread about hunting and fishing? Here is what the OP of that thread in his first post said:
"but it is important for everyone to see and hopefully email their representatives. Please leave this in a place for all to see. If you send an email feel free to respond with "e-mail sent" but don't start a bashing thread that gets this moved to a locked status or forum where not everyone can see it. Feel free to post responses from your reps if you feel it appropriate. It will be interesting to see who back our hunting and fishing heritage and who doesn't. Cheers"
Get it BigTex? But thanks for trying to diminish my answer to Jackalope's question.Ah geez Pegasus. You also stated "it is a personal attack on Sutherland. It is not a request to please help us open hunting and fishing."There are no WDFW rep’s here.“ He posted public information about a publicly elected official. That's WAY different than posting home address and cell phone number is a random WDFW employee”
It’s not. WDFW employees are also public officials. You won’t post their home address because that’s not public information. Their name, position, work email/phone/address are. You can look up anyone who was paid off of public funds. As an example.
Http://fiscal.wa.gov/salaries.aspx
I generally support LEOs and have a lot of friends who went that route after the service. My biggest complaint would be how the good LEOs don’t police the bad LEOs. Good guys know who bad guys or people on power trips are. This seems to be a far bigger problem than the actual number of bad LEOs. Too many people being “loyal” for bad LEOs just because they’re a brother in blue. No one wants to end up like Serpico (the actual guy not the movie). You’d be amazed what people are willing to overlook because they may personally like someone or they’re just biding their time to collect a check, and that’s true across all industries. Let alone one where you might not get backup when you need it for “crossing the thin blue line”.
All of that said, I haven’t had any bad interactions with anyone from WDFW enforcement, or any other LEO, and wouldn’t seriously advocate violence against them, or any one else, for any reason. A lot of the treatment you’d get from LEOs will stem directly from how at ease you can make them during any interaction.
I already posted that but it was twisted by one of the WDFW reps here. What if we had posted Bigtex's .gov address? Oh my. But we did not and we won't post an individual's email, or phone. They have tried to twist everything that I have posted to support their agenda. They are also twisting another's words here. They need to get off their bully pulpit and stop trying to rally this public forum to do their bidding to harass an individual they want as their victim.
Only one post here so far has agreed with Sutherland. The rest, including me, have disavowed his words which he already had retracted. They are doing nothing to to enhance the reputation of the WDFW which is in dire need of repair. Instead they continue that outsiders are not part of the "Club" that can really know what is going on at the WDFW. We have to only believe them. One complains that we are posting anonymous here. What an amazing revelation. Funny after not posting here for ages he scurries to this anonymous board to get anonymous posters to do his bidding and harass an individual when he should be harassing Jay and the top of the WDFW to open hunting and fishing. The attitude that you would not be so tuff if I knew who you are is the attitude that gives law enforcement a bad name. It's an anonymous board, go complain elsewhere.
I’m curious, Pegasus. Are you good with the other thread promoting emailing all of our reps and senators asking for opening of hunting and fishing? You posted in that thread. You know it’s there. Nothing bad said about it though. And their .gov emails are posted there.
Asking for a friend.
I have no problem with the other thread. I do have a problem with what the OP here was doing. He was trying to torch an individual by securing emails from others here. I am pretty sure you can see the difference. It is a personal attack on Sutherland. It is not a request to please help us open fishing and hunting. Unfortunately the OP does not handle criticism very well. He must have been great to run into in the field. It's his way or the highway here or he will twist your posts and try to belittle the opposition. He just can't handle being called out on it. He does not need to try to get his opposition stopped from posting here.
You're right, UC's request has nothing to do with opening hunting and fishing, and guess what, that's okay because we live in a world where we can do more than tackle one topic at a time and not just be stuck on opening hunting/fishing 24/7.
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Ah geez BigTex now you are golng to pretend you where responding to an older post when you clearly quoted my most recent? How immature. And you thought we would not catch you in the deception.
My point continues to be that you continue to deflect on the Sutherland topic and say we should only be worried about opening hunting and fishing. You've mentioned it several times.
I guess who cares about legislators bashing game wardens, I want to go fishing!
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My point was/is that your time could be better spent than trying to make a mountain out of a molehill, twist others posts, trying to belittle them, etc. Instead you have senselessly attacked any one that dared question the OP's original post. Hopefully since you noted you are having trouble posting with your phone you are not driving and posting.
Post by: hunter399 on April 26, 2020, 02:30:48 PM
Post by: Igor on April 26, 2020, 02:49:34 PM
My point was/is that your time could be better spent than trying to make a mountain out of a molehill, twist others posts, trying to belittle them, etc. Instead you have senselessly attacked any one that dared question the OP's original post. Hopefully since you noted you are having trouble posting with your phone you are not driving and posting.
Pegasus........Your "mountain out of a molehill" line is getting a little stale. The original post was directed at a publicly elected official. Any, repeat any, publicly elected official is fair game as far as criticism from the electorate if he screws up. Whether it be by email, opinion pieces in newspapers, letters to the editor in newspapers, mockery on a public forum, etc. That is what elected officials, from some schmuck in Snohomish County all the way up to the President of the United States, can expect when they are elected.
It ain't personal.........it's politics.
Post by: Fuhrmem on April 26, 2020, 02:56:08 PM
Post by: Pegasus on April 26, 2020, 03:13:46 PM
My point was/is that your time could be better spent than trying to make a mountain out of a molehill, twist others posts, trying to belittle them, etc. Instead you have senselessly attacked any one that dared question the OP's original post. Hopefully since you noted you are having trouble posting with your phone you are not driving and posting.
Your "mountain out of a molehill" line is getting a little stale. The original post was directed at a publicly elected official. Any, repeat any, publicly elected official is fair game as far as criticism from the electorate if he screws up. Whether it be by email, opinion pieces in newspapers, letters to the editor in newspapers, mockery on a public forum, etc. That is what elected officials, from some schmuck in Snohomish County all the way up to the President of the United States, can expect when they are elected.
It ain't personal.........it's politics.
I think I suggested that the OP should write a letter and express his feelings. Trying to ignite the masses over a comment that got hyped by Inslee and the media when most people with a brain knew it was not an actual call to arms for the masses to be used against the wardens. It was out of place and was quickly withdrawn. I get it. You want to torch the guy over the molehill and I don't. I think you have forgotten that this is mainly a hunting and fishing forum , not a cheering squad for the WDFW who appear to be down by 100 points in the fourth quarter and they just fumbled again.
Post by: ucwarden on April 26, 2020, 03:24:44 PM
EXACTLY!
My point was/is that your time could be better spent than trying to make a mountain out of a molehill, twist others posts, trying to belittle them, etc. Instead you have senselessly attacked any one that dared question the OP's original post. Hopefully since you noted you are having trouble posting with your phone you are not driving and posting.
Pegasus........Your "mountain out of a molehill" line is getting a little stale. The original post was directed at a publicly elected official. Any, repeat any, publicly elected official is fair game as far as criticism from the electorate if he screws up. Whether it be by email, opinion pieces in newspapers, letters to the editor in newspapers, mockery on a public forum, etc. That is what elected officials, from some schmuck in Snohomish County all the way up to the President of the United States, can expect when they are elected.
It ain't personal.........it's politics.
Post by: ucwarden on April 26, 2020, 03:26:33 PM
I hear you Igor, for all the talk of mountains and mole hills, it really doesn’t take too much imagination to see how Sutherland’s words might prompt The OP’s concern. It might not look too big in the larger context of what we’re all moving through. But to any LEO and their loved ones I’m guessing that “mole hill” is particularly daunting. But maybe I’m wrong, and just a victim of UC’s conspiracy :tinfoil:Thank you for understanding my point of view, although you may be in on it too.
Post by: Igor on April 26, 2020, 05:47:23 PM
I think you have forgotten that this is mainly a hunting and fishing forum........
Yet, here you are, throwing rocks at, and insulting, the OP who has spent most of his adult life working in that very arena of hunting and fishing. Who came on here to ask for support for his fellow WDFW officers when he saw that they were being unfairly targeted by some loud-mouthed politician. If you want to know who de-railed the thread, try looking in a mirror.
Post by: ucwarden on April 26, 2020, 06:48:55 PM
I think you have forgotten that this is mainly a hunting and fishing forum........
Yet, here you are, throwing rocks at, and insulting, the OP who has spent most of his adult life working in that very arena of hunting and fishing. Who came on here to ask for support for his fellow WDFW officers when he saw that they were being unfairly targeted by some loud-mouthed politician. If you want to know who de-railed the thread, try looking in a mirror.
Thanks for you support and understanding. It is well appreciated
Post by: jackelope on April 26, 2020, 09:38:07 PM
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Post by: Special T on April 26, 2020, 10:12:53 PM
Saw pics of some WDFW game wardens at the protest on Lake Union today.I'd be more impressed if there were 300 lines in the water to protest the issue.
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Post by: jackelope on April 26, 2020, 11:01:37 PM
Saw pics of some WDFW game wardens at the protest on Lake Union today.I'd be more impressed if there were 300 lines in the water to protest the issue.
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The organizers of the protest specifically asked the attendees to not do stuff like that.
Post by: ucwarden on May 02, 2020, 09:29:26 AM
April 30th, 2020, Facebook post from Representative Robert Sutherland: "I spoke with Erik Olson (President of the Sargent's Union for the WA Dept. of Fish and Wildlife) on the phone today for close to an hour. Great conversation which allowed us to reassure each other that we are on the same team. Comments of mine during a speech in Olympia two weeks ago aimed at the Governor brought into question my love and admiration for the great work these folks do on a day-to-day basis. Thus I wanted to be clear: these are the best of the best in our society, helping keep our waters, parks and trails safe for you and I to enjoy with our family or friends. Please, next time you see one of them doing their job, why not thank them for their service!! I salute each and every one of them."
Jill McKnight wrote: "So, are they no longer "goons with guns" ?"
Robert J Sutherland replied: "They never were. I was angry at the governor, not them."
Jill McKnight wrote: "Perhaps in the future you might choose your words more wisely. Speaking publicly in a manner that might seem derogatory, offensive or threatening towards law enforcement officials certainly seems an odd way to express anger towards our governor."
Post by: ucwarden on May 02, 2020, 09:33:30 AM
Representative Sutherland recently spoke at length with the Sergeant's Union President (even though Sutherland misspelled Sergeant) and apparently agreed to provide a public apology for his comments regarding WDFW Officers. Here is his Facebook post and a comment from someone on Facebook:
April 30th, 2020, Facebook post from Representative Robert Sutherland: "I spoke with Erik Olson (President of the Sargent's Union for the WA Dept. of Fish and Wildlife) on the phone today for close to an hour. Great conversation which allowed us to reassure each other that we are on the same team. Comments of mine during a speech in Olympia two weeks ago aimed at the Governor brought into question my love and admiration for the great work these folks do on a day-to-day basis. Thus I wanted to be clear: these are the best of the best in our society, helping keep our waters, parks and trails safe for you and I to enjoy with our family or friends. Please, next time you see one of them doing their job, why not thank them for their service!! I salute each and every one of them."
Jill McKnight wrote: "So, are they no longer "goons with guns" ?"
Robert J Sutherland replied: "They never were. I was angry at the governor, not them."
Jill McKnight wrote: "Perhaps in the future you might choose your words more wisely. Speaking publicly in a manner that might seem derogatory, offensive or threatening towards law enforcement officials certainly seems an odd way to express anger towards our governor."
And no, I couldn't find an apology anywhere in his post either, just praise for "helping to keep our waters, parks and trails safe for you and I". Nice since WDFW officers have nothing to do with parks and trails, those duties fall on state park park rangers.
Post by: Tbar on May 02, 2020, 09:50:43 AM
Post by: jackelope on May 02, 2020, 09:57:36 AM
Representative Sutherland recently spoke at length with the Sergeant's Union President (even though Sutherland misspelled Sergeant) and apparently agreed to provide a public apology for his comments regarding WDFW Officers. Here is his Facebook post and a comment from someone on Facebook:
April 30th, 2020, Facebook post from Representative Robert Sutherland: "I spoke with Erik Olson (President of the Sargent's Union for the WA Dept. of Fish and Wildlife) on the phone today for close to an hour. Great conversation which allowed us to reassure each other that we are on the same team. Comments of mine during a speech in Olympia two weeks ago aimed at the Governor brought into question my love and admiration for the great work these folks do on a day-to-day basis. Thus I wanted to be clear: these are the best of the best in our society, helping keep our waters, parks and trails safe for you and I to enjoy with our family or friends. Please, next time you see one of them doing their job, why not thank them for their service!! I salute each and every one of them."
Jill McKnight wrote: "So, are they no longer "goons with guns" ?"
Robert J Sutherland replied: "They never were. I was angry at the governor, not them."
Jill McKnight wrote: "Perhaps in the future you might choose your words more wisely. Speaking publicly in a manner that might seem derogatory, offensive or threatening towards law enforcement officials certainly seems an odd way to express anger towards our governor."
And no, I couldn't find an apology anywhere in his post either, just praise for "helping to keep our waters, parks and trails safe for you and I". Nice since WDFW officers have nothing to do with parks and trails, those duties fall on state park park rangers.
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Post by: jackelope on May 02, 2020, 09:58:33 AM
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