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Post by: HAGEMANIAC on April 27, 2020, 02:49:27 PM
Post by: dr.derek on April 27, 2020, 02:50:27 PM
Have a lot More spread out pressure
Post by: bobcat on April 27, 2020, 02:50:58 PM
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Post by: HAGEMANIAC on April 27, 2020, 02:51:22 PM
Seems like if they opened it today, it would
Have a lot More spread out pressure
True. I’ll take what I can get.
Post by: bigtex on April 27, 2020, 02:52:16 PM
No camping on state land?Correct
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Post by: Limhangerslayer on April 27, 2020, 02:53:05 PM
No camping on state land?it didn't say that, just wildlife areas
Post by: bigtex on April 27, 2020, 02:54:02 PM
All state lands will be day use only. Literally the first thing Inslee said.No camping on state land?it didn't say that, just wildlife areas
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Post by: 3nails on April 27, 2020, 02:54:14 PM
It will not be a free for all. Actual start dates will come from WDFW, some will be May 5, others may be later.Inslee and Susewind gave no limitations save shellfish and salt. Sounds fairly wide open.
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Post by: jrebel on April 27, 2020, 02:54:31 PM
But they're saying to stay local and camping still isn't allowed so it makes it kind of hard for people who want to hunt on the other side of the state.
It says camping on state land is not allowed. Camp on private land. I'm sure there are plenty of people in the hunting community, all over the state, that would let you park your butt if you need to. :tup:
Post by: Ghost Hunter on April 27, 2020, 02:55:06 PM
That's what I'm waiting on, is spring bear open in the blues May 5th?????????????Appears so. WDFW not defining day trips. Mentioned spring bear, hint, hint ;). Can't be with out of household.
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Post by: kirkl on April 27, 2020, 02:58:13 PM
I did not hear anywhere that they said open the 5th. Susewind said spring bear and turkey season is open.
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Susewind litteraly said hunting will open may 5th.
Post by: nwhunter on April 27, 2020, 03:02:26 PM
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Post by: jrebel on April 27, 2020, 03:11:47 PM
Day trip from west side to wenaha, lol, ok
They said they would "like" people to stick to day drips....but also said pack all your stuff needed for the outing and travel safe. I believe national forest is open to camp but if not......find someone that will let you camp on their private land. It sounds like they want people hunting....just do so wisely.
Post by: Russ McDonald on April 27, 2020, 03:12:12 PM
Nope he did not. I rewound my dvr to listen again. Governor did say the 5th though dogs were barking. A news releaase is going out this afternoon from WDFW.I did not hear anywhere that they said open the 5th. Susewind said spring bear and turkey season is open.
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Post by: trophyhunt on April 27, 2020, 03:12:51 PM
10-4, can't friggin wait!!!Day trip from west side to wenaha, lol, ok
They said they would "like" people to stick to day drips....but also said pack all your stuff needed for the outing and travel safe. I believe national forest is open to camp but if not......find someone that will let you camp on their private land. It sounds like they want people hunting....just do so wisely.
Post by: jrebel on April 27, 2020, 03:14:06 PM
10-4, can't friggin wait!!!Day trip from west side to wenaha, lol, ok
They said they would "like" people to stick to day drips....but also said pack all your stuff needed for the outing and travel safe. I believe national forest is open to camp but if not......find someone that will let you camp on their private land. It sounds like they want people hunting....just do so wisely.
Nope he did not. I rewound my dvr to listen again. Governor did say the 5th though dogs were barking. A news releaase is going out this afternoon from WDFW.I did not hear anywhere that they said open the 5th. Susewind said spring bear and turkey season is open.
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Me too.....I am very fortunate that my tag is in the unit my cabin is in so camping is secured. :tup: :tup:
Post by: hunter399 on April 27, 2020, 03:17:42 PM
Post by: Ghost Hunter on April 27, 2020, 03:17:56 PM
10-4, can't friggin wait!!!Day trip from west side to wenaha, lol, ok
They said they would "like" people to stick to day drips....but also said pack all your stuff needed for the outing and travel safe. I believe national forest is open to camp but if not......find someone that will let you camp on their private land. It sounds like they want people hunting....just do so wisely.
Susewind said WDFW was not defining day trips. Take it for what it's worth.
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Post by: jrebel on April 27, 2020, 03:21:44 PM
Was it just me or was he social distancing from the microphone? I could barely hear anyone other than Inslee with the volume maxed.
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It was all clear to me and I watched on my phone. :dunno:
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Post by: Stein on April 27, 2020, 03:23:29 PM
Was it just me or was he social distancing from the microphone? I could barely hear anyone other than Inslee with the volume maxed.
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It was all clear to me and I watched on my phone. :dunno:
Must have been the feed I watched it on.
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Post by: baldopepper on April 27, 2020, 03:23:35 PM
Post by: bigtex on April 27, 2020, 03:26:42 PM
Haven't seen anything about federal campgrounds opening. Suspect they'll stay closed as will natl forest and blm groundUSFS and BLM campgrounds are federal..
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Post by: 92xj on April 27, 2020, 03:30:11 PM
I thought it was only no camping in designated campgrounds. Designated campgrounds have numbered slot for each camp site, correct?
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Post by: kirkl on April 27, 2020, 03:30:59 PM
Post by: jrebel on April 27, 2020, 03:32:38 PM
Is national Forest ground closed?
I thought it was only no camping in designated campgrounds. Designated campgrounds have numbered slot for each camp site, correct?
The way I interpret what was said is camping on national forest is open. Only state lands are closed. National forest campgrounds are closed.
I think it would be hard for WDFW to ticket you for camping on national forest if you are maintaining social distancing and don't have a pile of people camping with your immediate hunting "family".
Post by: hunter399 on April 27, 2020, 03:34:36 PM
I don't care what you do,east,west,I give zero ,over it ,go hunting,go fishing,responsibly and GO.10-4, can't friggin wait!!!Day trip from west side to wenaha, lol, ok
They said they would "like" people to stick to day drips....but also said pack all your stuff needed for the outing and travel safe. I believe national forest is open to camp but if not......find someone that will let you camp on their private land. It sounds like they want people hunting....just do so wisely.
Susewind said WDFW was not defining day trips. Take it for what it's worth.
Post by: Russ McDonald on April 27, 2020, 03:34:49 PM
you can camp on NF if it is a non dispersed camp ground.Dispersed camping is open but I am hearing that FS is in discussion with the state to work hand and hand with them. Most developed FS camp grounds don't open until Memorial day anyway.
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Post by: 92xj on April 27, 2020, 03:41:56 PM
Are you talking about dispersed camping as in camping in a no named random spot off a national Forest road or the actual defined term from the forest service as a dispersed campground? There are numerous dispersed named campgrounds in the national Forest. Those sites are closed or open?
Post by: WSU on April 27, 2020, 03:44:51 PM
They are still punishing those of us that live on the coast by keeping the ocean closed areas 1-5.. :bash: I am glad that they are opening up some opportunities but can't believe there isn't a way to tow my boat 15 minutes from home and go fishing offshore but I can "safely" tow my boat to the columbia or lake roosevelt and go there.. Happy for spring bear tag holders and turkey hunters tho..
A big concern is the tribes don't want people flooding La Push and Neah.
Post by: kirkl on April 27, 2020, 03:47:24 PM
https://www.fs.usda.gov/detailfull/okawen/alerts-notices/?cid=fseprd721599&width=full
Post by: Ironhead on April 27, 2020, 03:47:57 PM
https://wdfw.wa.gov/news/wdfw-open-some-recreational-fishing-and-hunting-starting-tuesday-may-5
Post by: kirkl on April 27, 2020, 04:03:48 PM
Nope he did not. I rewound my dvr to listen again. Governor did say the 5th though dogs were barking. A news releaase is going out this afternoon from WDFW.I did not hear anywhere that they said open the 5th. Susewind said spring bear and turkey season is open.
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I can argue to. You need to rewatch it.
Word for word from susewind
reopen our public opportunities beginning may 5th specifially wdfw will be opening up our wildlife areas and boat launches and opening most of our seasonal fishing and hunting seasons consistent with what is normally open this time of year.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on April 27, 2020, 04:05:07 PM
So they might be enforcing it. Considering I bet 75% of the bear tags are not hunted by "locals" I don't know what they expect.
Post by: Limhangerslayer on April 27, 2020, 04:12:35 PM
only state wildlife land was I thoughtIs national Forest ground closed?
I thought it was only no camping in designated campgrounds. Designated campgrounds have numbered slot for each camp site, correct?
The way I interpret what was said is camping on national forest is open. Only state lands are closed. National forest campgrounds are closed.
I think it would be hard for WDFW to ticket you for camping on national forest if you are maintaining social distancing and don't have a pile of people camping with your immediate hunting "family".
Post by: bigtex on April 27, 2020, 04:19:44 PM
Once again. All state lands are open for day use only.only state wildlife land was I thoughtIs national Forest ground closed?
I thought it was only no camping in designated campgrounds. Designated campgrounds have numbered slot for each camp site, correct?
The way I interpret what was said is camping on national forest is open. Only state lands are closed. National forest campgrounds are closed.
I think it would be hard for WDFW to ticket you for camping on national forest if you are maintaining social distancing and don't have a pile of people camping with your immediate hunting "family".
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Post by: Stein on April 27, 2020, 04:20:24 PM
They are still punishing those of us that live on the coast by keeping the ocean closed areas 1-5.. :bash: I am glad that they are opening up some opportunities but can't believe there isn't a way to tow my boat 15 minutes from home and go fishing offshore but I can "safely" tow my boat to the columbia or lake roosevelt and go there.. Happy for spring bear tag holders and turkey hunters tho..
Motor on over to MA6 and whack some flounder. Inside is open, just not for salmon, halibut, shellfish or 99% of the things people would be out pursuing.
Post by: Russ McDonald on April 27, 2020, 04:22:02 PM
Russ,If it is a developed camp grounds are closed. Find a spot in the forest is good. Yup there are some spots that are popular dispersed sites but those aren't developed so also good.
Are you talking about dispersed camping as in camping in a no named random spot off a national Forest road or the actual defined term from the forest service as a dispersed campground? There are numerous dispersed named campgrounds in the national Forest. Those sites are closed or open?
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Post by: Russ McDonald on April 27, 2020, 04:28:11 PM
I did 3 times. As I said the givernor did say the 5th. I didn't hear that. Good enough. The officials releasNope he did not. I rewound my dvr to listen again. Governor did say the 5th though dogs were barking. A news releaase is going out this afternoon from WDFW.I did not hear anywhere that they said open the 5th. Susewind said spring bear and turkey season is open.
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I can argue to. You need to rewatch it.
Word for word from susewind
reopen our public opportunities beginning may 5th specifially wdfw will be opening up our wildlife areas and boat launches and opening most of our seasonal fishing and hunting seasons consistent with what is normally open this time of year.
WDFW to open some recreational fishing and hunting starting Tuesday, May 5
OLYMPIA -- The Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW) announced today it will reopen some recreational fishing and hunting in a phased approach following the state’s efforts to limit the spread of coronavirus. The department is asking hunters and anglers to enjoy these outdoor activities only if they can do so locally, while also practicing physical distancing.
Many WDFW wildlife areas and boat ramps will reopen May 5 for day-use only recreation, as will some recreational fishing per 2019-2020 sport fishing rules.
All freshwater fisheries will open May 5, as will Puget Sound saltwater fisheries (Marine Areas 5-13), except for halibut, shrimp, and intertidal shellfish harvesting, which remain closed statewide. Coastal saltwater fishing and shellfish harvesting in marine areas 1-4, including coastal clam digs, will also remain closed in consultation with local health departments, who continue to be concerned regarding the potential health impact to their communities from outside visitors.
Local hunting for turkey and spring bear will open on May 5, and the spring bear season will be extended until June 30.
“We’ve had so many people doing their part to stay home, and we’re seeing results. We’re now at a point where we will soon be able to begin welcoming people back outdoors,” said Kelly Susewind, WDFW director. “I’m asking people to take what they’ve learned these past few weeks and continue putting these measures into play as you fish, hunt, and enjoy your local wildlife area. We’re happy to reopen these opportunities, and we need you to continue working with us to stay safe.”
Visitors, anglers, and hunters should only venture out well-prepared. The public should expect limited access to restrooms as staff begin the process to reopen facilities at wildlife areas and water access sites. WDFW is also recommending that people bring their own handwashing materials, toilet paper, and masks or bandanas, and be prepared to change plans if sites appear congested.
WDFW hatchery staff have continued to stock lakes throughout the closure. Anglers are asked to practice appropriate physical distancing at a given location, and avoid crowding on banks, piers, or at boat ramps. The department will be unable to host any formal opening day events for lowland lakes this year.
Anglers should consult the Washington Sport Fishing Rules pamphlet at wdfw.wa.gov/fishing/regulations/ or Fish Washington mobile app, as well as the emergency rule changes webpage at fortress.wa.gov/dfw/erules/efishrules/, before heading out.
If sites become overcrowded or other COVID-19 related public safety concerns develop, the department may reclose areas to further protect public health and safe resource management.
The department is encouraging local county health departments to stay in contact with WDFW regional management regarding any concerns, and notes that the department may also act to close areas during localized future outbreaks to discourage travel or congestion-related spread of the virus.
Spring bear hunters who would normally travel outside their local areas to hunt may wait to see how travel guidance evolves, or seek a permit refund and reclaim their points if they are unable to hunt while meeting local hunting recommendations. Permit hunters are responsible for securing access, which may not be available for all or for the added season dates. Permit holders will be sent more detailed information that will also be posted on WDFW’s COVID-19 page, and they should contact the Wildlife Program Customer Service Desk at 360-902-2515 or wildthing@dfw.wa.gov if they have additional questions.
WDFW regional offices, visitor centers, and hatcheries will remain closed to the public for now, but remain available by phone. Those who encounter WDFW staff while in the field should feel free to engage with WDFW employees, but remember to practice physical distancing and keep at least six feet away.
To help discourage travel, the department is suspending the sale of non-resident fishing licenses.
Guidelines for #ResponsibleRecreation in the outdoors
Before you go
· Check what’s open. While many state-managed land destinations are open for day-use, other local, tribal, and federal land may still be closed.
· Opt for day trips close to home. Overnight stays are not permitted.
· Stay with immediate household members only. Recreation with those outside of your household creates new avenues for virus transmission.
· Come prepared. Visitors may find reduced or limited restroom services as staff begin the process to reopen facilities at wildlife areas and water access sites. You are advised to bring your own soap, water, hand sanitizer, and toilet paper, as well as a mask or bandana to cover your nose and mouth.
· Enjoy the outdoors when healthy. If you have symptoms of fever, coughing, or shortness of breath, save your outdoor adventure for another day.
When you get there
· Avoid crowds. Be prepared to go somewhere else or come back another time if your destination looks crowded.
· Practice physical distancing. Keep six feet between you and those outside your immediate household. Launch one boat at a time to give others enough space to launch safely. Leave at least one parking space between your vehicle and the vehicle next to you. Trailer your boat in the same way.
· Wash your hands often. Keep up on personal hygiene and bring your own water, soap, and hand sanitizer with you.
· Pack out what you pack in. Take any garbage with you, including disposable gloves and masks.
For the latest updates on WDFW’s coronavirus response and to check the status of your favorite destinations, visit wdfw.wa.gov/about/covid-19-updates. Find more guidelines for responsible recreation in this WDFW blog.
The Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife is the state agency tasked with preserving, protecting, and perpetuating fish, wildlife, and ecosystems, while providing sustainable fishing, hunting, and other recreation opportunities.
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Post by: teanawayslayer on April 27, 2020, 07:00:25 PM
So looks like my daughter and I will share the Aladdin unit with 3 other bear hunters if the "10% local hunter rule" is close to accurate? Seems like there is plenty of room for all of us. If I were on the west side I would be using good common sense and hunting anyway. I am glad it opened, because I was going to hunt anyway and fight them in court for breach of contract and improper notification of closures.i seriously doubt people will follow the order to hunt locally. To many selfish people out there.
Post by: Russ McDonald on April 27, 2020, 07:09:33 PM
Russ you mentioned a call on the 29th with Susewind/WDFW, are you still going to be doing that?Yes we are.
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Post by: bear on April 27, 2020, 07:33:16 PM
So looks like my daughter and I will share the Aladdin unit with 3 other bear hunters if the "10% local hunter rule" is close to accurate? Seems like there is plenty of room for all of us. If I were on the west side I would be using good common sense and hunting anyway. I am glad it opened, because I was going to hunt anyway and fight them in court for breach of contract and improper notification of closures.i seriously doubt people will follow the order to hunt locally. To many selfish people out there.
I doubt that would stop a single person
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Ask for them back. They have the magic computer, it does anything.
:yeah: You never know, it certainly can't hurt to ask.
Post by: Limhangerslayer on April 27, 2020, 09:12:45 PM
do you get fuel when you're headed up horn hunting? Is it selfish of you to hunt antlers when other people can't?So looks like my daughter and I will share the Aladdin unit with 3 other bear hunters if the "10% local hunter rule" is close to accurate? Seems like there is plenty of room for all of us. If I were on the west side I would be using good common sense and hunting anyway. I am glad it opened, because I was going to hunt anyway and fight them in court for breach of contract and improper notification of closures.i seriously doubt people will follow the order to hunt locally. To many selfish people out there.
In all honesty if I'm headed to Goldendale I'm less of an impact by staying 2+days then driving back and forth and using more fuel
Post by: teanawayslayer on April 27, 2020, 09:23:59 PM
havent been horn hunting since state ground was shut down. Been string out pics but I guess I just won’t share. Other than going to work I have followed the order to a t. But I don’t really need to explain myself to you. :pee:do you get fuel when you're headed up horn hunting? Is it selfish of you to hunt antlers when other people can't?So looks like my daughter and I will share the Aladdin unit with 3 other bear hunters if the "10% local hunter rule" is close to accurate? Seems like there is plenty of room for all of us. If I were on the west side I would be using good common sense and hunting anyway. I am glad it opened, because I was going to hunt anyway and fight them in court for breach of contract and improper notification of closures.i seriously doubt people will follow the order to hunt locally. To many selfish people out there.
In all honesty if I'm headed to Goldendale I'm less of an impact by staying 2+days then driving back and forth and using more fuel
Post by: h20hunter on April 27, 2020, 09:26:01 PM
Post by: jrebel on April 27, 2020, 09:51:38 PM
Teanawayslayer. You are blind and or ignorant to think travel has not been happening all around you for the past month. You live by i90 and blewit pass which are two of the busiest East side roads. I think this is more a matter of jealousy that realistic fear from people hunting and fishing.
Can you articulate why you care other than saying people are selfish? Serious question!! Travel over the passes is happening and the spread is still declining. Please tell me something I don’t know or am not seeing. Bring in fact and science and not just your bias and emotions. I’m all ears.
Post by: Sandberm on April 27, 2020, 10:06:33 PM
Post by: Gringo31 on April 27, 2020, 10:08:08 PM
What could go wrong?
Post by: huntnnw on April 27, 2020, 10:13:30 PM
Amazing how a good thing for hunters, fishers and our states economy has turned so negative. There are no local mandates.....it was a recommendation. They say to travel safe, take your food gas etc. Why are some people so against their fellow sportsmen getting outside and enjoying the land and sport.
Teanawayslayer. You are blind and or ignorant to think travel has not been happening all around you for the past month. You live by i90 and blewit pass which are two of the busiest East side roads. I think this is more a matter of jealousy that realistic fear from people hunting and fishing.
Can you articulate why you care other than saying people are selfish? Serious question!! Travel over the passes is happening and the spread is still declining. Please tell me something I don’t know or am not seeing. Bring in fact and science and not just your bias and emotions. I’m all ears.
no kidding! I drove to Hood river friday and was amazed by how many different state plates I saw and Uhauls everywhere on the highways
Post by: hard hunter on April 28, 2020, 06:48:53 AM
I am however very disappointed in not getting to go surf perch fishing. From what I read it sounds like its the local health departments stopping the coastal fishing. I sure hope they don't expect those they are turning away to turn around and give them the $$ to make up for their loss in tourism/fishing money.
The health departments don't want anyone then don't expect to be bailed out when your short on funds--just my :twocents:
Post by: jackelope on April 28, 2020, 10:51:08 AM
Excited to get to do some fishing.
I am however very disappointed in not getting to go surf perch fishing. From what I read it sounds like its the local health departments stopping the coastal fishing. I sure hope they don't expect those they are turning away to turn around and give them the $$ to make up for their loss in tourism/fishing money.
The health departments don't want anyone then don't expect to be bailed out when your short on funds--just my :twocents:
A great example of the "me me me" attitude all over a little fishing. Rumor has it that that closure will last an extra week or 2.
Post by: Machias on April 28, 2020, 01:40:32 PM
Post by: Taco280AI on April 28, 2020, 02:43:31 PM
Excited to get to do some fishing.
I am however very disappointed in not getting to go surf perch fishing. From what I read it sounds like its the local health departments stopping the coastal fishing. I sure hope they don't expect those they are turning away to turn around and give them the $$ to make up for their loss in tourism/fishing money.
The health departments don't want anyone then don't expect to be bailed out when your short on funds--just my :twocents:
A great example of the "me me me" attitude all over a little fishing...
Yes, people want to get out and have some fun, so what? Barricade yourself indoors for eternity if you choose, but others want to get back out again.
Post by: Curly on April 28, 2020, 02:52:43 PM
But, that is what is great in this world...........lots of different opinions. :tup:
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Post by: lokidog on April 28, 2020, 11:15:20 PM
I don't see it as a " me me me" attitude. There is little logic in allowing the beaches to be open but not allow people to fish. That's not 'me me me'. It's simply questioning why they choose to prohibit activities that would have zero chance of spreading a virus. :twocents:
But, that is what is great in this world...........lots of different opinions. :tup:
They regulate fishing/clamming because there is already a mechanism in place to fine us. It also shows the low regard that the state has for a user group that actually pays a lot of it's own way for what it gets.
Post by: lokidog on April 28, 2020, 11:21:53 PM
Excited to get to do some fishing.
I am however very disappointed in not getting to go surf perch fishing. From what I read it sounds like its the local health departments stopping the coastal fishing. I sure hope they don't expect those they are turning away to turn around and give them the $$ to make up for their loss in tourism/fishing money.
The health departments don't want anyone then don't expect to be bailed out when your short on funds--just my :twocents:
A great example of the "me me me" attitude all over a little fishing...
Yes, people want to get out and have some fun, so what? Barricade yourself indoors for eternity if you choose, but others want to get back out again.
:yeah:
Post by: kirkl on April 29, 2020, 07:50:53 AM
:yeah: Stay indoors for the rest of your life if your so scared, this covid thing is never going to go away, its here to stay. You shouldnt even be going to work if your so scared about it. D@mn right me,me,me. Its time to get back to living.Excited to get to do some fishing.
I am however very disappointed in not getting to go surf perch fishing. From what I read it sounds like its the local health departments stopping the coastal fishing. I sure hope they don't expect those they are turning away to turn around and give them the $$ to make up for their loss in tourism/fishing money.
The health departments don't want anyone then don't expect to be bailed out when your short on funds--just my :twocents:
A great example of the "me me me" attitude all over a little fishing...
Yes, people want to get out and have some fun, so what? Barricade yourself indoors for eternity if you choose, but others want to get back out again.
:yeah:
Post by: kirkl on April 29, 2020, 07:51:38 AM
I don't see it as a " me me me" attitude. There is little logic in allowing the beaches to be open but not allow people to fish. That's not 'me me me'. It's simply questioning why they choose to prohibit activities that would have zero chance of spreading a virus. :twocents:
But, that is what is great in this world...........lots of different opinions. :tup:
:yeah:
Post by: Bwana Bob on April 29, 2020, 07:58:19 AM
I was told by most on that site that I should just fish local because I couldn't camp legally any where up there.
Well for starters I don't want to fish for 8 inch fish with 50 of my new found friends at a local lake. I fish the selective fisheries lakes out of my float tube and sleep in the back of my rig. Except for a few places I fish I see very few people and we all camp way more that 6 feet apart at these lakes. WTF.
Am I just wrong and selfish to go so far to hunt and fish? I've been fishing those lakes for at least 25 years. Where the F can I kill a turkey around Bothell or catch 16 in plus rainbows?
By not opening over night dispersed camping at the same time WTF should any of us hunt and fish after the 5th ?
I still plan to go and camp in East bum F off some out of the way road with a cocked and locked 1911 by my side.
Tell me if I'm a selfish old B and should just stay home and do yard work :dunno:
Sorry for this rant but I'm tired of all this SH
Post by: Ghost Hunter on April 29, 2020, 08:14:08 AM
Post by: jackelope on April 29, 2020, 08:14:46 AM
:yeah: Stay indoors for the rest of your life if your so scared, this covid thing is never going to go away, its here to stay. You shouldnt even be going to work if your so scared about it. D@mn right me,me,me. Its time to get back to living.Excited to get to do some fishing.
I am however very disappointed in not getting to go surf perch fishing. From what I read it sounds like its the local health departments stopping the coastal fishing. I sure hope they don't expect those they are turning away to turn around and give them the $$ to make up for their loss in tourism/fishing money.
The health departments don't want anyone then don't expect to be bailed out when your short on funds--just my :twocents:
A great example of the "me me me" attitude all over a little fishing...
Yes, people want to get out and have some fun, so what? Barricade yourself indoors for eternity if you choose, but others want to get back out again.
:yeah:
I've been working in a retail environment surrounded by people every day since this crap show started, but thanks. Please know what you're talking about before spouting off.
All I'm saying is I find it a little hard to comprehend why someone would penalize an entire community by boycotting them simply because our government made a rule saying we can't fish there. For Pete's sake...wait a couple more weeks and go fishing. It's not gonna kill anyone to wait a couple weeks. Why penalize a bunch of folks in the community who depend on fishing for income?
Post by: jackelope on April 29, 2020, 08:15:54 AM
Excited to get to do some fishing.
I am however very disappointed in not getting to go surf perch fishing. From what I read it sounds like its the local health departments stopping the coastal fishing. I sure hope they don't expect those they are turning away to turn around and give them the $$ to make up for their loss in tourism/fishing money.
The health departments don't want anyone then don't expect to be bailed out when your short on funds--just my :twocents:
A great example of the "me me me" attitude all over a little fishing...
Yes, people want to get out and have some fun, so what? Barricade yourself indoors for eternity if you choose, but others want to get back out again.
:yeah:
Your county isn't even allowing people to come there.
Post by: kirkl on April 29, 2020, 08:19:54 AM
Post by: fishngamereaper on April 29, 2020, 08:22:43 AM
Whats two more weeks gonna do? Then it will be two more weeks, then two more weeks, then two more weeks.
Hey, we need to follow the data..... :rolleyes:
Post by: Stein on April 29, 2020, 08:31:26 AM
Right or wrong, those are the rules and it would be rather unpleasant if the rest of the activities still closed were kept closed longer because of failure to follow the rules.
We don't have to like it, but if we follow the rules we will all be happier in the shortest amount of time possible.
Post by: kirkl on April 29, 2020, 08:42:09 AM
Both Inslee and WDFW stressed that recreating involving overnight stays is not allowed and they will be monitoring compliance when deciding when to further ease restrictions or worst case close hunting and fishing again.They obviously are not paying attention to camping in national forrests then, we camped a couple weeks ago and it was a zoo, people camping and riding all over the place.
Right or wrong, those are the rules and it would be rather unpleasant if the rest of the activities still closed were kept closed longer because of failure to follow the rules.
We don't have to like it, but if we follow the rules we will all be happier in the shortest amount of time possible.
Post by: bobcat on April 29, 2020, 08:43:26 AM
Post by: lokidog on April 29, 2020, 08:44:10 AM
Excited to get to do some fishing.
I am however very disappointed in not getting to go surf perch fishing. From what I read it sounds like its the local health departments stopping the coastal fishing. I sure hope they don't expect those they are turning away to turn around and give them the $$ to make up for their loss in tourism/fishing money.
The health departments don't want anyone then don't expect to be bailed out when your short on funds--just my :twocents:
A great example of the "me me me" attitude all over a little fishing...
Yes, people want to get out and have some fun, so what? Barricade yourself indoors for eternity if you choose, but others want to get back out again.
:yeah:
Your county isn't even allowing people to come there.
Not my doing, they don't want me boating over to San Juan or any other island in "my county" either.... If you think people haven't been traveling for non fishing and hunting related things, you are delusional.
"All I'm saying is I find it a little hard to comprehend why someone would penalize an entire community by boycotting them simply because our government made a rule saying we can't fish there. For Pete's sake...wait a couple more weeks and go fishing. It's not gonna kill anyone to wait a couple weeks. Why penalize a bunch of folks in the community who depend on fishing for income?"
By not going fishing there, YOU are penalizing them. Maybe there are businesses that want people to be there to buy their goods and they are adult enough to choose their own level of protection? Someone doesn't want the diseased, germ-ridden masses in their store, don't open it. That's the cool thing about a free country, at least theoretically, we have choices.
You can dang well bet that if I had to travel to lingcod fish here in the San Juans, I would. Am I willing to take the bet that the State will extend the lingcod season on a 50/50 (bear vs. turkey) chance? No way in HE double toothpicks. This season is part of my yearly putting meat in the freezer just as much as deer hunting is for other people. It is not for recreation that I fish, though that is a side benefit.
Feel free to call me selfish....
Post by: TriggerMike on April 29, 2020, 08:47:16 AM
Both Inslee and WDFW stressed that recreating involving overnight stays is not allowed and they will be monitoring compliance when deciding when to further ease restrictions or worst case close hunting and fishing again.
Right or wrong, those are the rules and it would be rather unpleasant if the rest of the activities still closed were kept closed longer because of failure to follow the rules.
We don't have to like it, but if we follow the rules we will all be happier in the shortest amount of time possible.
But overnight stays aren't illegal unless you're on state land, so they are in fact allowed. Nothing is illegal until a law specifically says it is, that's how laws work. And there's no way he's going to go back now. If he doesn't open up small businesses in the next 2 weeks then the liberals will be the ones burning down the Governors mansion. Hunting and fishing are the least of his problems now. Not too mention the fact that AG Bill Barr likely wrote Inslee a letter warning him of over-reaching restrictions which led to us being able to recreate again. Barr wrote an official memo on Monday, then all of a sudden a couple hours later we're allowed to hunt and fish again.
Post by: fishngamereaper on April 29, 2020, 08:50:07 AM
Post by: jackelope on April 29, 2020, 08:56:46 AM
It's only on state land that overnight stays aren't allowed.
Agreed, but there is still a stay at home order in effect.
I'm not trying to argue. I'd probably go turkey hunting if I had to make a decision. Just saying. We aren't supposed to be traveling for non-essential reasons.
Post by: bobcat on April 29, 2020, 09:07:45 AM
It's only on state land that overnight stays aren't allowed.
Agreed, but there is still a stay at home order in effect.
I'm not trying to argue. I'd probably go turkey hunting if I had to make a decision. Just saying. We aren't supposed to be traveling for non-essential reasons.
I know. The rules just aren't very clear or consistent. It seems like most of it is only recommendations and not actually laws or rules. Is it against the law for people to leave their houses at all if it's not for a reason considered essential by the government? How will anyone go fishing or hunting with the stay at home order still in effect? If you can't travel you can't go hunting or fishing. Unless all you have to do is walk out your back door.
Post by: huntnphool on April 29, 2020, 09:07:50 AM
I also think part of the reason for the soft openings of some fishing/hunting was to also get golf opened up.
The soft opening has one thing in mind and one thing only....revenue! He doesn’t give two *censored*s about us or hunting!
The majority of licenses sold every year are right before permits are due, and that date is fast approaching. You must purchase your hunting license to apply for permits, yes except OIL’s, and without opening up hunting, they were looking at a big loss in sales.
Post by: jackelope on April 29, 2020, 09:20:56 AM
It's only on state land that overnight stays aren't allowed.
Agreed, but there is still a stay at home order in effect.
I'm not trying to argue. I'd probably go turkey hunting if I had to make a decision. Just saying. We aren't supposed to be traveling for non-essential reasons.
I know. The rules just aren't very clear or consistent. It seems like most of it is only recommendations and not actually laws or rules. Is it against the law for people to leave their houses at all if it's not for a reason considered essential by the government? How will anyone go fishing or hunting with the stay at home order still in effect? If you can't travel you can't go hunting or fishing. Unless all you have to do is walk out your back door.
I'm with you.
It's clear as mud.
Also am done arguing this topic.
Post by: Taco280AI on April 29, 2020, 09:39:58 AM
If this is all for safety, okay, understandable. But why stop there? Auto accidents claim nearly 40,000 lives in the US every, single year yet it's allowed. The government is willing to trade those lives for easy transportation. Now all of a sudden the argument is we need to stop everything, we need to stay inside, we need to give up all freedoms to save lives. Bit of a double standard. Yes, overly simplified and more to it bigger picture, I know.
The elderly and those at risk should take precautions, absolutely. But locking down everyone, why? So it can cripple the economy? How many lives will be destroyed due to that?
Going fishing while still distancing isn't hurting anyone or anything.
Post by: jackelope on April 29, 2020, 09:43:48 AM
I went after your two separate "me me me me" posts because you were going after forum members directly instead of arguing a point. Argue the point, not the person.
If this is all for safety, okay, understandable. But why stop there? Auto accidents claim nearly 40,000 lives in the US every, single year yet it's allowed. The government is willing to trade those lives for easy transportation. Now all of a sudden the argument is we need to stop everything, we need to stay inside, we need to give up all freedoms to save lives. Bit of a double standard.
The elderly and those at risk should take precautions, absolutely. But locking down everyone, why? So it can cripple the economy? How many lives will be destroyed due to that?
Going fishing while still distancing isn't hurting anyone or anything.
The communities on the coast are the reason that area is closed to fishing. They don't want people coming there, so they pushed for extended closures and got them. That's what the WDFW email said anyway.
I'm not interested in arguing or debating this anymore, so I'm going to respectfully bow out. All these arguments just make me more and more grumpy about this whole scenario. I'm going to become a spectator in the cheap seats with these discussions moving forward. I shouldn't have engaged in the first place.
Post by: jrebel on April 29, 2020, 09:54:00 AM
Make this a happy thread and argue in the others. :tup: :tup: :tup:
Post by: Igor on April 29, 2020, 09:55:50 AM
Auto accidents claim nearly 40,000 lives in the US every, single year yet it's allowed. The government is willing to trade those lives for easy transportation.
That has to be one of the most bizarre arguments of this entire mess. It's called a false equivalency, but carry on.
Post by: JeffRaines on April 29, 2020, 09:59:55 AM
Both Inslee and WDFW stressed that recreating involving overnight stays is not allowed and they will be monitoring compliance when deciding when to further ease restrictions or worst case close hunting and fishing again.They obviously are not paying attention to camping in national forrests then, we camped a couple weeks ago and it was a zoo, people camping and riding all over the place.
Right or wrong, those are the rules and it would be rather unpleasant if the rest of the activities still closed were kept closed longer because of failure to follow the rules.
We don't have to like it, but if we follow the rules we will all be happier in the shortest amount of time possible.
Came here to say this. People have been recreating and doing overnight stays the entire lockdown... just like there were guys out in CNF hunting "coyotes and lions" two weeks ago or guys dropping lines in water.
I'm just the same as Stein on it - I don't want it to go on longer... but on the same token, why should I suffer when most of the population are disregarding the rules anyway? If it gets shut down again, it isn't going to be because they seen my rig out there. Last time they made the shutdown of hiking it was due to idiots not social distancing on popular trails. 10 bucks says we'll see another Rattlesnake Ridge picture next weekend with people packed together again because no one wants to have a plan b or plan c.
Point being - most of us on here won't be responsible for an extended closure but we'll have to be the ones to suffer.
Post by: WSU on April 29, 2020, 10:02:03 AM
Auto accidents claim nearly 40,000 lives in the US every, single year yet it's allowed. The government is willing to trade those lives for easy transportation.
That has to be one of the most bizarre arguments of this entire mess. It's called a false equivalency, but carry on.
It's spot on, actually. We could almost eliminate traffic deaths if we made the speed limit 20 mph everywhere. We don't because, as a society, we have decided the inefficiency and economic harm it would cause are outweigh the harm (dead and injured people). Instead, we put up with a certain amount of traffic deaths and regulate as best we can in other ways.
The same is true of really any regulation or law. How much is appropriate to decrease the harm prevented by the regulation? How much is not enough? Is the trade-off worth it?
Post by: Bwana Bob on April 29, 2020, 10:07:27 AM
These are the most vague bull S rules ever
Post by: kirkl on April 29, 2020, 10:09:45 AM
Post by: kirkl on April 29, 2020, 10:11:39 AM
I'll follow the social distancing rules and over night camping rules but I'm still going turkey hunting and fishing next week.I wouldnt hesitate at all to drag my camp trailer to any national forrest and camp while hunting and social distancing.
These are the most vague bull S rules ever
Post by: Russ McDonald on April 29, 2020, 10:12:26 AM
Dispersed site.I'll follow the social distancing rules and over night camping rules but I'm still going turkey hunting and fishing next week.I wouldnt hesitate at all to drag my camp trailer to any national forrest and camp while hunting and social distancing.
These are the most vague bull S rules ever
Post by: kirkl on April 29, 2020, 10:13:13 AM
Post by: Russ McDonald on April 29, 2020, 10:15:11 AM
yes i knowI knew you did but some people don't know :tup: :chuckle:
Post by: Stein on April 29, 2020, 10:15:25 AM
From my seat, it's pretty scary that we shut down and there will still be maybe 75,000 Americans dead when it's all said and done. That's a spooky number to me. We did all we did and they still needed refrigerated trucks to store bodies because we couldn't keep up with the number of people dying in some areas.
I'm looking forward to hooking the boat up and getting back on the water on Tuesday like most of the others around here. I hope we can keep the trend heading in the right direction and get safely back to work and play.
Post by: baldopepper on April 29, 2020, 10:17:30 AM
Can we have one thread where we focus on the positive. Yes....the opening was not perfect and did not benefit everyone.....that sucks!! I don't agree with it and I think the reasoning is foolish. Now....at least we have turkey, lake, some ocean, bear, mushroom, hiking, etc. etc. etc......There are so many statistics and purswasive arguments out there on all sides of this issue my head is dizzy!!! All I know for sure is next week I can go chase some turkeys and drop a line in the water and that will cure my dizziness. I'm pretty happy about it!!!
Make this a happy thread and argue in the others. :tup: :tup: :tup:
Post by: Dan-o on April 29, 2020, 10:30:10 AM
It's only on state land that overnight stays aren't allowed.
Agreed, but there is still a stay at home order in effect.
I'm not trying to argue. I'd probably go turkey hunting if I had to make a decision. Just saying. We aren't supposed to be traveling for non-essential reasons.
How do you not travel while taking a day trip to go Turkey hunting?
And why is it safer for me to take a day trip than to camp where I never see anyone?
I don't think its selfish at all to recreate without putting others at risk.
Post by: Pinetar on April 29, 2020, 10:33:30 AM
I was wrong, it wasn't a joke but it certainly has become political. The numbers just haven't added up, Covid unfortunately attacked our elders but so does the flu every year. The FAKE news has done nothing but fear monger everyone and they are still doing it by talking about the next time it comes around. They haven't said one positive thing through this entire thing, nothing but negativity BS. Over two million people (original projection) did not die, more people have had Covid then they thought and were fine, 99.?? people have survived, all positives and not one word of this from FAKE news or some of our elected politicians.
Now they are telling you to stock up on meat, guess what? meat will become TP now. Glad I don't eat chicken and my freezers are full of deer, Elk and my own raised pork and beef.
I am so sick of all this BS, it has gone beyond ridiculous. Inslee is not a ruler he is an elected POS governor that thinks he can step on those that don't vote for him and see how far he can push us.
My business is seasonal (summer months) and I just lost my entire season to this Chinese Flu and more than likely will have to financially roll the next two seasons into the following years and so far I haven't qualified for the PPP or the stimulus. I need some sanity out of all of this so I'm going to take my daughter Turkey hunting locally, watch her blast a Turkey then hook up to my Bass boat and drive as far as I choose within this state and go fishing every day. Call me selfish or whatever you want to call me but I'm done with it. I have plenty of common sense and I can travel with family from the center of this state to where ever I choose and not stop till I get to my destination. If you are worried about me and others then stay home, we all have choices, use them wisely. I'm choosing to get my family back to a normal life, after all this is AMERICA!!
On May 5th - use some common sense, don't create crowds, pack up your food and water before you leave home, follow the simple Covid social distancing rules and go fishing, hunting, hiking where ever you choose. If this gets shut down again because of over crowding and people not following the rules I doubt it will be from the guys on this site that are going hunting and fishing with their families. Be smart about your travelling and please don't give King Inslee a reason to shut it down again.
We all know people who don't vote! We need them to vote and vote smart in November. This country needs it more then ever now. Our economy was rolling when this hit the fan. The sooner we can all get back to work the sooner we will have our strong economy back, these checks that most are getting won't last forever.
Have fun, be safe and healthy!!
Post by: jrebel on April 29, 2020, 10:54:00 AM
One point I would like to make being it has been a point of contention in almost all these arguments.
The death rate would likely have been the same regardless of the stay at home order. All we did was slow the progression in an attempt to not overwhelm the medical system. The medical professionals and scientist have all stated this. The reality is the virus will spread until we have herd immunity, a vaccine or adequate treatments. Our government has chosen this longer course and politicized the heck out of this virus. Now our economy is paying the price and small businesses are going bankrupt and shutting their doors. Our governor has seen that the people are tired of this shutdown and knows if he doesn't start opening things....there will likely be "some" civil unrest as seen by the organized protests.
It is very sad that people have died....but it is also sad that people die every day due to the seasonal flu, auto accidents, drugs, obesity, etc, etc, etc...... As with every other virus in the US...vulnerable people need to take precautions, non vulnerable people need to be responsible and our economy needs to run as usual. Traveling to hunt, fish, hike and camp puts very few vulnerable people at risk of the done appropriately.
The reality of all these arguments......most who make the stay at home don't travel argument on this forum are people who live in areas that have turkeys, lakes, oceans, out their back door. They are being selfish and wanting it all to themselves. We see it all the time, the few selfish people on this forum have always made the statement of not allowing others to hunt their areas.......fish their waters......travel to their communities.....AS IF THEY OWN ALL THE PUBLIC LAND AND WATERWAYS. :bash: :bash: Now, who are the selfish ones??
I figured if we couldn't keep it positive, I would get back in the fight. :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: huntnfmly on April 29, 2020, 11:16:28 AM
You don't really believe that do you?
Post by: huntnfmly on April 29, 2020, 11:17:24 AM
Post by: jrebel on April 29, 2020, 11:30:49 AM
Same amount of people would have died if we did nothing?
You don't really believe that do you?
The science proves it. There is a video posted on here that shows how virus spread. We will lose more lives to this virus. We just spread it out over time. We are not likely to have a vaccine for years (optimism 12-18 months). We can completely shut things down and continue the slow spread but then we have the side effects of our economy crashing, suicide rates skyrocketing, civil unrest / possibly war (far fetched but could happen), etc. so yes....I do believe it. I’m in the medical field and the science doesn’t lie. The only way to 100% stop the spread of this virus and limit death is 1000% quarantine and our nation will not allow that to happen. Even then it will spread because people have to move about.
Post by: jackelope on April 29, 2020, 11:32:48 AM
Well it looks like Inslee is probably going to extend the stay at home orders later this week so there you guys go that want to stay locked up forever. two more weeks, nope just two more weeks, nope, not till we get a vaccine. good luck.
Please explain why you think everyone wants to stay locked up forever. You keep saying that, yet it's not even remotely accurate.
Post by: Pegasus on April 29, 2020, 11:56:42 AM
Same amount of people would have died if we did nothing?
You don't really believe that do you?
The science proves it. There is a video posted on here that shows how virus spread. We will lose more lives to this virus. We just spread it out over time. We are not likely to have a vaccine for years (optimism 12-18 months). We can completely shut things down and continue the slow spread but then we have the side effects of our economy crashing, suicide rates skyrocketing, civil unrest / possibly war (far fetched but could happen), etc. so yes....I do believe it. I’m in the medical field and the science doesn’t lie. The only way to 100% stop the spread of this virus and limit death is 1000% quarantine and our nation will not allow that to happen. Even then it will spread because people have to move about.
I think more people initially would have died had we not shut down but that only delayed the inevitable. It did prevent overwhelming the medical system. No cure means the virus will keep infecting us until about 80 percent of us have antibodies and the virus will die out. If you are under sixty-five and have no damaging health risks you are almost guaranteed to live should you get the virus. Us old folks that have other health issues are the ones at risk. Restarting the economy will increase the spread of the virus which will help us get to the 80 percent exposure over time and eventually decrease the risk for us old folk. Has to be controlled but needs to start immediately. Washington, California and Oregon have no excuse to not reopen. Inslee can't even figure out what to do about the schools. People in that system are frustrating that feckless Jay can't make a decision without Bill Gate's approval. In the mean time no plans are out concerning summer school or in the fall. Would be very easy to, at least, say that school in the fall will start on time and in the classroom. We know that the kids will spread the virus but eventually that will be helpful in ending the pandemic.
Post by: fishngamereaper on April 29, 2020, 12:01:05 PM
Same amount of people would have died if we did nothing?
You don't really believe that do you?
Ive asked myself this often and now I really don't know. I don't think the stay at home order did anything to help since no one is staying home. Maybe the extra decon all stores are doing now. Maybe social distancing but I also don't see much of that. Maybe closing close contact venues like sports stadiums and gyms was the key. Or maybe this thing isn't as infectious as they thought and its just running its course. I would bet the most of us have possibly already had it, but who knows.
Post by: highside74 on April 29, 2020, 12:03:24 PM
The last line of your post might not be correct. Sweden and the Netherlands are sending his back to school after their studies have shown that children don't transmit the virus.
Post by: Lucky1 on April 29, 2020, 12:04:12 PM
Not forever. They will drag it out to as close as the election as possible. Can’t let the orange man get re-elected.Well it looks like Inslee is probably going to extend the stay at home orders later this week so there you guys go that want to stay locked up forever. two more weeks, nope just two more weeks, nope, not till we get a vaccine. good luck.
Please explain why you think everyone wants to stay locked up forever. You keep saying that, yet it's not even remotely accurate.
Post by: fishngamereaper on April 29, 2020, 12:14:57 PM
We know that the kids will spread the virus but eventually that will be helpful in ending the pandemic.
The last line of your post might not be correct. Sweden and the Netherlands are sending his back to school after their studies have shown that children don't transmit the virus.
Well I sure wish my kid was in school right now :chuckle:
Post by: Pegasus on April 29, 2020, 12:26:01 PM
We know that the kids will spread the virus but eventually that will be helpful in ending the pandemic.
The last line of your post might not be correct. Sweden and the Netherlands are sending his back to school after their studies have shown that children don't transmit the virus.
Have not seen that but here is something from the US: https://news.yahoo.com/children-less-sick-covid-19-still-spread-virus-211240098.html
Got a link for your info?
Post by: highside74 on April 29, 2020, 12:54:40 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/26/children-unlikely-to-transmit-coronavirus-says-study-cited-in-pms-push-to-reopen-schools
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Post by: Stein on May 01, 2020, 03:38:09 PM