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Equipment & Gear => Guns and Ammo => Topic started by: C-Money on April 28, 2020, 03:22:08 PM
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I have noticed more and more talk about standard cartridges. Are the magnums slipping in popularity? I am seeing outdoor articles, other forums, and even more rifle options at the sporting goods store, focusing on standard cartridges, and less about magnums. This shift has been getting my attention for a few years now, but has really spiked as of late for me. Anyone else notice a surge in standard cartridge popularity? In no way am I picking on the magnum shooters, as there will always be a market for the big cartridges. The .243, 7mm-08 & .280 seem to be leading the surge in popularity.
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I'd say yes but.
Yes, very much so BUT also some migration to heavies and long range. Bullet quality as well as affordable guns and off the rack accuracy are making both more avaialable and more viable options.
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There's a lot of guys on here using 300 and 338 ultra mags. If it works for them, cool. I use a 280AI, will be using a 257 Wby starting this year as well. No desire for anything bigger personally. I think my favorite is my 223 :tup:
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I suppose it could be. Although I don't know how the data would actually play out. Its possible improvement in bullet construction combined with increased use of lesser weapons for elk have contributed to less need for the historical heavy hitters. On the flip side it seems there is a new hot cartridge constantly hitting the market in the long range world and most are magnums or built off magnum platforms.
I have never killed an elk with a rifle, but I picked a gun back up for some deer hunts, I am a recoil weeny so I got a 270 and handload it with 140 NAB. I keep my shots to 400 or under and it has been a great little shooter, with almost all bang flops. I don't see a need to change, but I would certainly consider it if going to stretch that distance, especially for elk.
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I have a 300 HandH, a 300 Weatherby and another Belgium made HandH chambered in 300 Weatherby mag, have had them for over 30years, never killed an animal with any of them, heck, never took em hunting. My dad when he was alive used the Belgium/Weatherby for years, would only shoot 1 round at the range prior to hunting season because of the cost per round :chuckle:, if he hit the paper plate at 300 yards he was good, he killed a lot of animals from deer to elk and moose to a lot of Alaskan bears with that rifle but I have never been into the whole Magnum deal, just me I guess, all I have ever used was a 270 and that was starting at the age of 9, best caliber going IMHO, Jack O,Conner used to think so also :tup:
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I'm a pretty big .270 win fan myself. Been carrying the .243 during deer season since the kids started hunting. My family mainly uses 30-06, 270 win, 7mm-08 & .243. Dad killed a couple of bull elk with his 300 win mag, but admits he probably didn't need it. I have an Uncle who used a 7mm Rem Mag quite a bit, though he killed his biggest bull elk with a .270 win.
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I'm a pretty big .270 win fan myself. Been carrying the .243 during deer season since the kids started hunting. My family mainly uses 30-06, 270 win, 7mm-08 & .243. Dad killed a couple of bull elk with his 300 win mag, but admits he probably didn't need it. I have an Uncle who used a 7mm Rem Mag quite a bit, though he killed his biggest bull elk with a .270 win.
:tup:... There you go, I think O,Connor killed every big game animal on the North American continent using his 270 if I remember right. I used a pre 64 model 721 that was owned and operated by my great grandpa, he killed a ton of mulies, elk, bear and moose with that 270, passed it on to me and I used it for 34 years and I killed 34 bucks with it now it is being used by my son and I think he has killed 15 or so with it, it still drives tacks at 200 yards to this day. I use a Weatherby 270 now days but that old pre 64 still groups better than the Weatherby, just an amazingly built rifle.
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Never got into the big bores. Hunted with a 06 for 60 years.
Just bought my last rifle to carry the last time up the trail. 7 mm 08.
Any place selling used guns has a lot of big bores for sale. Some of it is older hunters tired of the beating going to something lighter. Lot of guys coming out military are more interested in the 6.5 and similar rounds.
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I have a few magnums, a three 300 WMs, two 7 MMs, and 243 WSSM.
But I also love .243, .223, 300 blk.
Definitely cheaper to shoot the non-magnums, especially on an all day shoot. Shooting a couple hundred rounds of 300 WM, on a saturday would get real expensive fast, LOL.
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I see the move towards smaller not necessarily away from magnums.
The 300 wm with berger/eld bullets now plays where Lapua/Edge used to rule and 6.5 creedmoor/prc play where 7mag/270 used to rule.
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257 Weatherby
270 WSM
7mag
300 RUM
Love the old 270 and 308 for blacktail though
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the buck I shot last year was right at 98 yards. 358 BLR shooting 200 gr Hornady at around 2450 FPS. bullet hit just to the right of where I was aiming and it broke the fore leg, jellied both lungs and busted the far leg and ended up just under the hide on the far leg. no bloodshot meat...just a little bit of lung blood that drained into the far leg wound channel where he laid. If I would have made that same shot with my 7mm mag 160 gr nosler partitions going about 3200 fps most of the front end would have been blood shot. But if I would have been using that gun I would have shot that buck in the neck just behind where the jawline met so I guess sometimes its 50/50. going forward I will be using that 358 just because I love that gun but will really miss Silverado--she has been very, very good to me over the last 28 years
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I don't think the popularity of the magnums had decreased as much as the target shooting of the smaller calibers has taken off.
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I don't think the popularity of the magnums had decreased as much as the target shooting of the smaller calibers has taken off.
:yeah:
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Yeah, I can't go to the range without a ported magnum firing off on both sides of me.
I'm actually thinking about a second rifle as the 30-06 is way more than necessary for deer and antelope. My daughter's .243 youth is so easy to carry it's tempting other than I don't like how .243 bullets react when hitting game.
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.243 has ALWAYS been a one shot kill on deer for me ( and I usually pack a .338 wm or .338 lapua)
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Yeah, .243 kills them dead but I like a bullet hole I can't pass a baseball through.
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I think if you really look at ballistics, there isn’t a whole lot of gain to be had with magnums inside of typical ranges that game is shot at. What’s an inch or two at 300 yards realistically?
But then again, we seem to be in a trend where people are bragging up the distance of their kills, you see a lot of posts talking about looking for a rifle that going to “only” shooting game out to 600 yards, like that’s some normal thing. Out of the guys I’ve come across locally, the .300 win mag with a scope of 20x+ on the top end seems to be very popular to use for black tails in the brush, “just in case” a looong shot presents itself. I would bet that most take a couple of sight in shots a year, and have no business taking a 200 yard shot, much less anything “long range.”
Disclaimer: I’ve owned all sorts of different rifles over the years, some magnum, most not, hell I even have a .375 ruger for no good reason.
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I have a 7mm magnum but that is as high as I'll go. I like it, but I have never understood the big bore thing. I suppose if hunting moose or brown bear? For me they just aren't any fun to shoot after the third donkey kick to the shoulder.
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My kids shoot their 7mm08’s very well, and while my go to hunting rifle is a 7RM, I do really like my 260 Rem too.
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I only have 2 hunting rifles, 300 WM and a 28 Nosler. I like magnums :tup:
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What are we calling big bores?
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I've come to reach for the old Thirty 06 almost always line nowadays. The big ones just sit idle.
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What are we calling big bores?
Anything with mag. In its name. :chuckle: :sry:
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Bullet construction and powder formulations have definitely changed things. Magnums still have their place for bigger animals and longer ranges.
But the improvements in bullets and powders, as well as research from the bullet companies on better matching which powder is best for their bullet....has seen significant advancement, even in just the last couple of years. If folks haven't looked at the most recent Speer load data, they went back and pressure tested with different powders across various cartridges. Example: 2700fps for 250gr bullet in 24in barreled 35 Whelen. Simply by trying a powder they hadn't tried before (2000-MR). Similar updates/improvements across other cartridges.
Am doing lots of load development right now with Hammer Hunters, Nosler (various models), Berger, and Speer in 243 Win, 25-06, 7mmRM, 30-06, 356 Win, and 35 Whelen over the next month. Because, well I'm bored, plus some of these are friend's rifles. Am noticing improvements in the load data for some of them.
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I have been using my .250 Savage or .243 for everything except elk for a few years now. My
magnums are waiting in the safe for a moose hunt.
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I only have 2 hunting rifles, 300 WM and a 28 Nosler. I like magnums :tup:
MY thoughts are Duplicates ? 215 Berger in the 300 wm will match or exceed nosler in energy at 1000 or vice versa. Drop one and add a 6.5 or 338 ?
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I have been using my .250 Savage or .243 for everything except elk for a few years now. My
magnums are waiting in the safe for a moose hunt.
Surprised to read that, you don't find too many .250 Savage shooters. I've been using a 99E .250 since 1973. Great caliber. I think the .243 might be the best cartridge ever for anything under elk-size. That said, I also have vintage.30-40 & .30-30's that I like as well.
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Unless I expect a longer poke, Im opting for the 6.5 instead of the 7rm for the foreseeable. That being said, Ive taken more with the ol .270 to date than anything else to include 6mm rem, .243, 6.5,7rm, .308.
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always been and will remain a big bore guy :tup:
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What are we calling big bores?
Anything with mag. In its name. :chuckle: :sry:
Yep like the ol' 22 mag. LOL. :sry:
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I think of big bore as 40 cal or larger, but some go down as small as 375...
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I love magnums especially the .270WSM and The .300 WSM short action and light
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I was out slinging lead today 7RM a little practice before spring bear opens next week.
With that said I've shot many deer with 270,308,243, but I haven't shot anything with the 7 yet .
Been target shooting /load development for about a year now .But trying to use it more this year.
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I don't know the answer to this question but this thread reminded me of the time I got to shoot a 500 Nitro Express at the range. That was fun. The owner said it was his new deer and elk rifle. Can't imagine what that would do to a blacktail at close range.
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I love them all, but my Magnum collection seems to be growing faster then the non magnums. I have shot many Deer and Antelope with a 22-250 in other states where legal. It kills very well, and a .270 for Bear, Goat, Elk, Moose have worked great for me.... you don't NEED a magnum to harvest animals, but they sure are fun to tinker with, and definitely extend the kill range.
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I have been using my .250 Savage or .243 for everything except elk for a few years now. My
magnums are waiting in the safe for a moose hunt.
Surprised to read that, you don't find too many .250 Savage shooters. I've been using a 99E .250 since 1973. Great caliber. I think the .243 might be the best cartridge ever for anything under elk-size. That said, I also have vintage.30-40 & .30-30's that I like as well.
i've got a mid 70s 99A in .250, one of my favorite rifles. a real underappreciated round.
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Magnums definitely have their place. I have a 300 Remington ultra mag to the fact I hunt on the east side of the state in Montana in open country where I need to reach out. I also have a 308 for Range time. I’m currently building a 6.5 PRC. Which seems that people are going away from magnums I believe it’s because there are many new cartridges coming out. It might be perception. But magnums definitely have their niche. Yep Magnums definitely have their place. I have a 300 Remington ultra mag due to the fact I hunt on the east side of the state and in Montana in open country where I need to reach out. I also have a 308 for Range time. I’m currently building a 6.5 PRC. If it seems that people are going away from magnums I believe it’s because there are many new cartridges coming out. It might be perception, but magnums definitely have their niche.
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I don’t think the magnums have lost any popularity. There are just a lot of folks that haven’t learned proper recoil management
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I love magnums. They are fun to shoot. I use a 243 for blacktail though.
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I don’t think the magnums have lost any popularity. There are just a lot of folks that haven’t learned proper recoil management
I'd love to have you come and show me "recoil management" with my 8 1/2 pound Ruger 416! lol. The only thing that hurts more than my shoulder is my wallet. :chuckle:
I guess I'm getting old because I don't intentionally hurt myself for fun anymore..
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I have and definitely like hunting with my magnums. I have a 300 win and a 375 HH and a shot out 7 rem mag.
I definitely shoot my non magnum rifles a whole lot more than my magnums but i much prefer to hunt with my 300 win than my 6 creedmoor.
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I don’t think the magnums have lost any popularity. There are just a lot of folks that haven’t learned proper recoil management
I'd love to have you come and show me "recoil management" with my 8 1/2 pound Ruger 416! lol. The only thing that hurts more than my shoulder is my wallet. :chuckle:
I guess I'm getting old because I don't intentionally hurt myself for fun anymore..
id love to shoot it!
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I dont think the magnums have lost any popularity. There are just a lot of folks that havent learned proper recoil management
I'd love to have you come and show me "recoil management" with my 8 1/2 pound Ruger 416! lol. The only thing that hurts more than my shoulder is my wallet. :chuckle:
I guess I'm getting old because I don't intentionally hurt myself for fun anymore..
id love to shoot it!
If I get up your way sometime I'll let you! Maybe for predator hunting next winter..
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I have a 300wsm and a 300 win mag. Had a 338 win for awhile. The last few years I’ve been hunting exclusively with 30-06. I shot my biggest moose yet with the 30-06 this year. I think magnums have a place but I also think I can do almost as much with my 30-06 as I can with my 300 win mag.
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I think magnums have a place but I also think I can do almost as much with my 30-06 as I can with my 300 win mag.
I know everybody online claims to have a long range pedigree, but i think the reality is that most guys are realistically 300 yard max shooters, likely less. At closer ranges that most of us are actually competent at, standard calibers can do the job just fine. I know i have no business shooting a live animal at 700 yards. If that was my interest and within my ability, id get a big magnum. But 200 yards or less, where most guys actually shoot? I think a 30-06, 308, 270 etc etc would be fine for whatever
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Cartridge advancements likely play a part, but I think its the affordability of good optics that is leading people to choose lower power rounds.
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I dont think the magnums have lost any popularity. There are just a lot of folks that havent learned proper recoil management
I'd love to have you come and show me "recoil management" with my 8 1/2 pound Ruger 416! lol. The only thing that hurts more than my shoulder is my wallet. :chuckle:
I guess I'm getting old because I don't intentionally hurt myself for fun anymore..
id love to shoot it!
If I get up your way sometime I'll let you! Maybe for predator hunting next winter..
heck ya that would be some great coyote medicine
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If I get up your way sometime I'll let you! Maybe for predator hunting next winter..
Geez those coyotes must be getn big over there :chuckle: :chuckle:
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I think a guy needs a little gun, medium gun, & a big gun....and then maybe a few more in between :chuckle:
My next build will be a big 375 with lots of powder
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If I get up your way sometime I'll let you! Maybe for predator hunting next winter..
Geez those coyotes must be getn big over there :chuckle: :chuckle:
100lbs or so is getting pretty standard for coyotes ;)
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Spent a little time in a mississippi deer camp years ago. It was mostly a doe shoot as they were attempting to get a massive over population problem straightened out. One of the long time members was using a 458 win mag and the explanation was "you will not let me shoot bucks, have to do something for entertainment".
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Still shooting 270WSM and 300WSM here. :tup:
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We have .243, 7mm-08, .257 Weatherby Mag, .270 win Mag, 6.5 Creedmore, 7MM Rem Mag, .30-06, .300 WSM, .300 Win Mag and .300 PRC. I prefer the 6.5 for deer, antelope and even Elk but bought the .300 PRC for upcoming Brown Bear and Moose Hunts. The kids always shot the .243 and 7MM-08 very well.
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I am like several others on here. I like the 270wsm and 300wsm. Was a 270 guy for years and still shoot it for blacktail. 270 will kill about anything you want
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I hunt with 3 rifles A 25-06 , 270wsm and a 300win.mag. Of the three I use the 270wsm the most but I know that the 25-06 will kill everything that I want to hunt.
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I love my 308 Norma Mag, but ammo for it is hard to come by and expensive. I'm switching it up this fall and getting a 7mm-08. I'll still keep my 308 for the off chance I draw a moose tag or something but with the new rifle, I'll be able to get to the range more often with out getting a second mortgage and it'll put down anything I need it to come fall time.
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I was a 30-06 guy for years until I had a few bad experiences at distance shots. Switched to a 7mm Mag and was hooked on the magnum train for the last 20 years. Last year my wife decide to try deer hunting so I got her a 7mm-08. Well I now have my own 7mm-08 and its going to be the deer and coyote gun from now on. Still plan on using the magnum for elk but I the recoil and weight of the smaller gun made the choice easy for me.
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I just ordered a 270wsm today :dunno: