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Big Game Hunting => Elk Hunting => Topic started by: scottfrick on April 29, 2020, 08:50:07 PM
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Had to go to the store real quick today and on the way back decided to swing by and check out the local elk herd and was amazed at what I saw. Pulling up the elk were all running together and behind them was a black German Shepard along with a brown one. It was a hard thing to watch. The situation was handled but careless owners really piss me off.
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Frustrates me beyond belief. :bfg: I haven’t seen that out here where I’m at. Surprised I haven’t. I find a stray dog about every month in my field.
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Shoot the *censored*s. This is the type of situation that should have everybody thinking about buying an ar pistol. Its essentially a rifle, but legally a pistol, so you can keep one loaded in your rig. Just sayin.
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I would agree bango. If I see it I would have to take action. It’s frustrating that the owners of dogs let this happen. Has anyone heard from the DFW on this topic
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I took video more as evidence than anything. Some will recognize the field. Next time your in town swing by and make sure it’s not still happening.
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East or west side?
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I would agree bango. If I see it I would have to take action. It’s frustrating that the owners of dogs let this happen. Has anyone heard from the DFW on this topic
Ive heard from wdfw on this topic. I had local dogs chasing deer on my place. I lodged a complaint. Game warden said "it sounds like you should shoot the dogs." I told him i would if i had to, but i dont want to shoot somebodys dog. He said if i did, neither the county nor the wdfw would press charges, id be immune to anything other than a potential civil suit, which wouldnt happen if i basically just SSS. anyway, i got him to talk to the dogs owners on my behalf, and luckily that fixed the problem. Really, i dont want to kill a dog under any circumstances, but i would have if the warden wasnt able to put the fear into the dogs owners.
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West side, Enumclaw
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Oh got ya. I’m headed up there next week. Buckley but close enough. Rifle sight in day :mgun2:
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Looks like the field over by Khanes pond.
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I would agree bango. If I see it I would have to take action. It’s frustrating that the owners of dogs let this happen. Has anyone heard from the DFW on this topic
Ive heard from wdfw on this topic. I had local dogs chasing deer on my place. I lodged a complaint. Game warden said "it sounds like you should shoot the dogs." I told him i would if i had to, but i dont want to shoot somebodys dog. He said if i did, neither the county nor the wdfw would press charges, id be immune to anything other than a potential civil suit, which wouldnt happen if i basically just SSS. anyway, i got him to talk to the dogs owners on my behalf, and luckily that fixed the problem. Really, i dont want to kill a dog under any circumstances, but i would have if the warden wasnt able to put the fear into the dogs owners.
Legally the only people that can shoot dogs chasing wildlife are law enforcement officers. The law provides for immunity against civil and criminal action for officers who shoot dogs in this manners, and nobody else.
Joe Citizen shooting a dog chasing a herd of elk is open to civil and/or criminal liability.
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Shoot em. Had three large crossbreeds chasing a half dozen deer across my field sometime back. Cracked a couple rounds out of the 270 over their backs first time. They ran off quick. Problem was a week later the same three dogs doing the same thing. Popped two out of the three. No excuse. My dogs are in my control or in their kennel.
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Shoot em. Had three large crossbreeds chasing a half dozen deer across my field sometime back. Cracked a couple rounds out of the 270 over their backs first time. They ran off quick. Problem was a week later the same three dogs doing the same thing. Popped two out of the three. No excuse. My dogs are in my control or in their kennel.
*high five*
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I would agree bango. If I see it I would have to take action. It’s frustrating that the owners of dogs let this happen. Has anyone heard from the DFW on this topic
Ive heard from wdfw on this topic. I had local dogs chasing deer on my place. I lodged a complaint. Game warden said "it sounds like you should shoot the dogs." I told him i would if i had to, but i dont want to shoot somebodys dog. He said if i did, neither the county nor the wdfw would press charges, id be immune to anything other than a potential civil suit, which wouldnt happen if i basically just SSS. anyway, i got him to talk to the dogs owners on my behalf, and luckily that fixed the problem. Really, i dont want to kill a dog under any circumstances, but i would have if the warden wasnt able to put the fear into the dogs owners.
Legally the only people that can shoot dogs chasing wildlife are law enforcement officers. The law provides for immunity against civil and criminal action for officers who shoot dogs in this manners, and nobody else.
Joe Citizen shooting a dog chasing a herd of elk is open to civil and/or criminal liability.
Yeah, like the wdfw officer told me, id be open to a civil suit if i was caught, so keep my mouth shut. But neither the county nor the state would prosecute. So pretty much what you said. But even though i know i would have kept my mouth shut, i really dont want to shoot a dog. It would screw me up, no matter how necessary i knew it was. So the dfw officer took care of it for me, so i wouldnt be forced to bloody my hands
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Years ago I worked with a guy whose dog would chase & harass elk like that. Then one time the dog started getting after a calf & momma stomped it bad. Problem solved.
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Too many unknowns.
What if the dogs belonged to the property?
What if the property owner didn’t want elk eating his pasture.
What if they were your dogs?
You don’t own the property ,so you are going to what? Shoot on to private property? Shoot from the road? Know your back stop? Any kids,buildings, people behind the targets you can’t see?
A rifle bullet travels a long ways.
Vigilante justice?
I am really surprised anyone would post on a public forum that they would shoot , in this instance as outlined by OP.
Don’t get me wrong , I don’t condone dogs chasing wildlife. But it’s not your call if it not your property period. And like Bigtex said against the law anyways. Very unsafe.
Dogs chasing your livestock, maybe?
You shoot some dogs in Skagit County up around Birdsveiw where elk do thousands in property damage along Hwy 20 and you probably will have a couple hundred folks after your hide.
I would make sure my brain and emotions were in check before pulling the trigger. :twocents:
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A dog that harrasses deer or elk is a coyote in my book. No better. Yeah, its the owners fault that their dog sucks, too bad for the dog. Identify the problem, address the problem. :mgun:
Nobody wants to kill a dog, but if all else fails, screw it, its a yote.
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I would agree bango. If I see it I would have to take action. It’s frustrating that the owners of dogs let this happen. Has anyone heard from the DFW on this topic
Ive heard from wdfw on this topic. I had local dogs chasing deer on my place. I lodged a complaint. Game warden said "it sounds like you should shoot the dogs." I told him i would if i had to, but i dont want to shoot somebodys dog. He said if i did, neither the county nor the wdfw would press charges, id be immune to anything other than a potential civil suit, which wouldnt happen if i basically just SSS. anyway, i got him to talk to the dogs owners on my behalf, and luckily that fixed the problem. Really, i dont want to kill a dog under any circumstances, but i would have if the warden wasnt able to put the fear into the dogs owners.
I've had almost the exact same experience with a WDFW warden, except he emphasized to us about the last S
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Some RCWs from WA state dealing with dogs running loose and/or harrasing or killing.
https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=16.08&full=true
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Too many unknowns.
What if the dogs belonged to the property?
What if the property owner didn’t want elk eating his pasture.
What if they were your dogs?
You don’t own the property ,so you are going to what? Shoot on to private property? Shoot from the road? Know your back stop? Any kids,buildings, people behind the targets you can’t see?
A rifle bullet travels a long ways.
Vigilante justice?
I am really surprised anyone would post on a public forum that they would shoot , in this instance as outlined by OP.
Don’t get me wrong , I don’t condone dogs chasing wildlife. But it’s not your call if it not your property period. And like Bigtex said against the law anyways. Very unsafe.
Dogs chasing your livestock, maybe?
You shoot some dogs in Skagit County up around Birdsveiw where elk do thousands in property damage along Hwy 20 and you probably will have a couple hundred folks after your hide.
I would make sure my brain and emotions were in check before pulling the trigger. :twocents:
I have 260 acres I manage for trees and wildlife. I have elk, deer and all kinds of critters on it. Last year a dog ran a doe into one of my fences and it snapped her neck. When I opened her up she had a fawn in her. Dogs will run deer to death. I live a long way out in the boonies with closest neighbor about 1/2 mile away. And I love dogs. The tongues on the ones I popped were hanging out a mile so they had been at it morning. People who choose not to control their dogs make that choice. BTW, loose dogs cause plenty of car accidents also.
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I could see this turning into the Hatfield's and McCoy's real quick if you got caught shooting someone's dog.
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I could see this turning into the Hatfield's and McCoy's real quick if you got caught shooting someone's dog.
That is true. Shoot, shovel and shut up.
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Too many unknowns.
What if the dogs belonged to the property?
What if the property owner didn’t want elk eating his pasture.
What if they were your dogs?
You don’t own the property ,so you are going to what? Shoot on to private property? Shoot from the road? Know your back stop? Any kids,buildings, people behind the targets you can’t see?
A rifle bullet travels a long ways.
Vigilante justice?
I am really surprised anyone would post on a public forum that they would shoot , in this instance as outlined by OP.
Don’t get me wrong , I don’t condone dogs chasing wildlife. But it’s not your call if it not your property period. And like Bigtex said against the law anyways. Very unsafe.
Dogs chasing your livestock, maybe?
You shoot some dogs in Skagit County up around Birdsveiw where elk do thousands in property damage along Hwy 20 and you probably will have a couple hundred folks after your hide.
I would make sure my brain and emotions were in check before pulling the trigger. :twocents:
I have 260 acres I manage for trees and wildlife. I have elk, deer and all kinds of critters on it. Last year a dog ran a doe into one of my fences and it snapped her neck. When I opened her up she had a fawn in her. Dogs will run deer to death. I live a long way out in the boonies with closest neighbor about 1/2 mile away. And I love dogs. The tongues on the ones I popped were hanging out a mile so they had been at it morning. People who choose not to control their dogs make that choice. BTW, loose dogs cause plenty of car accidents also.
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let me say i hate to see dogs running game for sure but!!
we are not judge dredd here.. there are laws, we are not police and situation with so many unknowns is in play. you would be in clear violation if caught of felony animal cruelty charges regardless if owner filed.. I know it would become my life's mission to prevent you from ever EVER being allowed to touch a firearm (if it were my dog), my property ect and you chose to kill it.. REGARDLESS of the situation.. Reporting to authorities is your (legal) course of action and yes an ethical responsibility for the game. The subsequent interaction with dog owner and legal impacts to the owners is authorities responsibility...
I say this from a dog shot experience - my 75 yo father was out walking his dog on forest gated roads and a bird hunter shot his dog opening day of grouse season "thinking it was a stray", dog had run up around a corner from him in Mason county few years ago.. absolutely devastating for him. i wasn't there and the guy walked away without identifying himself to the old man. My dad was carrying and to this day i feel that gentleman was damn lucky to be alive and i am grateful my pops emotion didn't take over his dog, like those in this thread!
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Have not seen it mentioned or I just missed it, but shooting a dog running on your property is much different than shooting a dog on private property you don't own or public/state/federal land, would be interested in how LEO would advise when on public land and dogs were chasing deer/Elk
I think dogs on your property chasing, threatening or just whatever you have a lot more protection and rights than out hiking and did not like what that dog was doing.
With that said almost shot 2 dogs that wandered onto my property and thought it was OK to growl and act threatening when my wife was getting out of the car. lucky for them the neighbor got them called into a fenced area on his property before I got back outside with the shotgun, he called animal control to come haul them off. I have no issue with dealing with problems on your property
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Have not seen it mentioned or I just missed it, but shooting a dog running on your property is much different than shooting a dog on private property you don't own or public/state/federal land, would be interested in how LEO would advise when on public land and dogs were chasing deer/Elk
I think dogs on your property chasing, threatening or just whatever you have a lot more protection and rights than out hiking and did not like what that dog was doing.
Sorry but this is incorrect. Even private landowners cannot shoot a dog chasing game on their own property, if they do they are open to civil and/or criminal charges. The law is clear, only law enforcement officers can shoot dogs chasing game.
The law DOES allow private landowners to shoot dogs chasing livestock that belong to that landowner.
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reality is LEO would be loathe to enforce that and if there was a single chicken, cow, goat or anything....it would be written off as threatening livestock.
and if there was no livestock whatsoever, it growled at you or a kid or wife
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I would never shoot a dog chasing game and evidently you can not legally do so in this state. In many states it is legal. I have fired a round over their heads one time. A pack of dogs chased some deer by me once. I fired one shot and the dogs stopped immediately and figured out where the shot came from. Once they spotted me they charged me. I fired a round into the ground in front of them and they backed off. When they are in the chase they are different creatures.
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Have not seen it mentioned or I just missed it, but shooting a dog running on your property is much different than shooting a dog on private property you don't own or public/state/federal land, would be interested in how LEO would advise when on public land and dogs were chasing deer/Elk
I think dogs on your property chasing, threatening or just whatever you have a lot more protection and rights than out hiking and did not like what that dog was doing.
Sorry but this is incorrect. Even private landowners cannot shoot a dog chasing game on their own property, if they do they are open to civil and/or criminal charges. The law is clear, only law enforcement officers can shoot dogs chasing game.
The law DOES allow private landowners to shoot dogs chasing livestock that belong to that landowner.
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:tup: Good to know
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Another thread promoting Illegal activity. I suppose this one will go the way of the Gopher hawk thread and Wags thread too.
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Well I dont where ya'll are from but I would like to see the demographics on folks who are contributing on this topic. I am an old fart and I dont rely on the govt to solve my problems. A pack of dogs came on my property one morning chasing a bunch of deer. I could tell by the way the deer were running that some sort of prey animal would be along soon. Here they came and I cracked a couple of 270 rounds behind them and off they went. A week later here they come again. What's interesting here it was the same day of the week. Maybe the owner cuts them loose and lets them run wild for the weekend, IDK. Well, two out of the three didnt make it home that day. The one survivor never came back on my place. I am not advocating anyone violate the law. But calling the cops for every little thing doesnt happen with me and my old fart friends. This forum is great, so we can all express our own opinions. Ok, fire back now.
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I would agree bango. If I see it I would have to take action. It’s frustrating that the owners of dogs let this happen. Has anyone heard from the DFW on this topic
Ive heard from wdfw on this topic. I had local dogs chasing deer on my place. I lodged a complaint. Game warden said "it sounds like you should shoot the dogs." I told him i would if i had to, but i dont want to shoot somebodys dog. He said if i did, neither the county nor the wdfw would press charges, id be immune to anything other than a potential civil suit, which wouldnt happen if i basically just SSS. anyway, i got him to talk to the dogs owners on my behalf, and luckily that fixed the problem. Really, i dont want to kill a dog under any circumstances, but i would have if the warden wasnt able to put the fear into the dogs owners.
Legally the only people that can shoot dogs chasing wildlife are law enforcement officers. The law provides for immunity against civil and criminal action for officers who shoot dogs in this manners, and nobody else.
Joe Citizen shooting a dog chasing a herd of elk is open to civil and/or criminal liability.
Can you cite the Law on That One I Was under Belief in the State Of Wa Any Dog Chasing Deer,Elk Can Be Shot at anytime Anywhere?
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I would agree bango. If I see it I would have to take action. It’s frustrating that the owners of dogs let this happen. Has anyone heard from the DFW on this topic
Ive heard from wdfw on this topic. I had local dogs chasing deer on my place. I lodged a complaint. Game warden said "it sounds like you should shoot the dogs." I told him i would if i had to, but i dont want to shoot somebodys dog. He said if i did, neither the county nor the wdfw would press charges, id be immune to anything other than a potential civil suit, which wouldnt happen if i basically just SSS. anyway, i got him to talk to the dogs owners on my behalf, and luckily that fixed the problem. Really, i dont want to kill a dog under any circumstances, but i would have if the warden wasnt able to put the fear into the dogs owners.
Legally the only people that can shoot dogs chasing wildlife are law enforcement officers. The law provides for immunity against civil and criminal action for officers who shoot dogs in this manners, and nobody else.
Joe Citizen shooting a dog chasing a herd of elk is open to civil and/or criminal liability.
Can you cite the Law on That One I Was under Belief in the State Of Wa Any Dog Chasing Deer,Elk Can Be Shot at anytime Anywhere?
Really? Anytime anywhere?
So if I own a pasture in front of my house and my yellow lab is chasing two deer on my property and you just happen to drive by you think WA st law allows you to shoot my dog on my property?
There are several laws that apply here.
RCW 77.15.240 makes it a crime for someone to allow their dog to chase wildlife. It also permits law enforcement officers (and law enforcement officers only) to destroy the dog. It also protects said law enforcement officers from civil/criminal liability.
RCW 16.08.020 permits someone who is having their livestock attacked to shoot the dog, IF the dog is own the person's property.
If a person just open fires on a dog chasing a deer they can be charged with animal cruelty, as well as be sued by the dog owner.
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Who said anything about someone shooting your dog on your property? This topic is getting a bit twisted. Starting to feel like watching CNN.
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Who said anything about someone shooting your dog on your property? This topic is getting a bit twisted. Starting to feel like watching CNN.
This:
I Was under Belief in the State Of Wa Any Dog Chasing Deer,Elk Can Be Shot at anytime Anywhere?
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I would agree bango. If I see it I would have to take action. It’s frustrating that the owners of dogs let this happen. Has anyone heard from the DFW on this topic
Ive heard from wdfw on this topic. I had local dogs chasing deer on my place. I lodged a complaint. Game warden said "it sounds like you should shoot the dogs." I told him i would if i had to, but i dont want to shoot somebodys dog. He said if i did, neither the county nor the wdfw would press charges, id be immune to anything other than a potential civil suit, which wouldnt happen if i basically just SSS. anyway, i got him to talk to the dogs owners on my behalf, and luckily that fixed the problem. Really, i dont want to kill a dog under any circumstances, but i would have if the warden wasnt able to put the fear into the dogs owners.
Legally the only people that can shoot dogs chasing wildlife are law enforcement officers. The law provides for immunity against civil and criminal action for officers who shoot dogs in this manners, and nobody else.
Joe Citizen shooting a dog chasing a herd of elk is open to civil and/or criminal liability.
Can you cite the Law on That One I Was under Belief in the State Of Wa Any Dog Chasing Deer,Elk Can Be Shot at anytime Anywhere?
Really? Anytime anywhere?
So if I own a pasture in front of my house and my yellow lab is chasing two deer on my property and you just happen to drive by you think WA st law allows you to shoot my dog on my property?
There are several laws that apply here.
RCW 77.15.240 makes it a crime for someone to allow their dog to chase wildlife. It also permits law enforcement officers (and law enforcement officers only) to destroy the dog. It also protects said law enforcement officers from civil/criminal liability.
RCW 16.08.020 permits someone who is having their livestock attacked to shoot the dog, IF the dog is own the person's property.
If a person just open fires on a dog chasing a deer they can be charged with animal cruelty, as well as be sued by the dog owner.
Thanks for the clarification Bigtex
Everytime this subject comes up, it seems more and more confusion is induced.
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Being trigger happy is a bad idea. I usually blame the owner not the dog. If I can find out who owns the dog I have and always will talk to them first. If the problem doesn’t get fixed the dog needs to be shot. Most of my young hounds will definitely chase deer and elk but I break them off it pretty quick. I worry about people shooting first and asking questions later every time they see a dog running through the woods. If you talk to the owner and the dog keeps chasing deer you should take care of the problem in my opinion.
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Not that my dog chases deer or elk, because she's an idiot she'd rather chase birds or the cat :chuckle: but the thought of someone shooting my dog if she did chase a deer or elk, kinda bothers me, as if it was whoever's duty to do so. I would think that a deer or elk would be more than capable of holding its own. Maybe I'm the one who needs to be educated on this subject. I am not justifying a dogs actions that does this. I love my dog like family because she is. Makes me just question others mindset.
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Not that my dog chases deer or elk, because she's an idiot she'd rather chase birds or the cat :chuckle: but the thought of someone shooting my dog if she did chase a deer or elk, kinda bothers me, as if it was whoever's duty to do so. I would think that a deer or elk would be more than capable of holding its own. Maybe I'm the one who needs to be educated on this subject. I am not justifying a dogs actions that does this. I love my dog like family because she is. Makes me just question others mindset.
Yup, you need educated. Late winter/early spring deer can be run down by about any dog in half decent shape. Dogs in good shape can run a deer to exhaustion about any time of year and make them much more vulnerable to predators that pick up where the dogs let off, being drawn in by all the ruckus. A lot of deer panic and jump things, run through things and injure themselves, a lot of domestic dogs will just sniff at the deer, maybe nip at it a bit then wander off...but the coyote a day or two later wouldn't. That injured deer is going to have a nasty long death.
even if it doesn't injure itself..
Deer escape to lion infested areas, or the dogs bring in wolves, bears or more likely they bring in yotes who can't resist following that trail of domestic dogs in their territory, the domestic dogs might be trotting off back home tongues hanging a mile out all happy with themselves, but now that deer they were chasing is worn out when that fresh yote or yotes begins their chase.
A deer chased by domestic dogs is almost an automatic death sentience for them, even if the domestic dogs don't actually kill it themselves.
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Not that my dog chases deer or elk, because she's an idiot she'd rather chase birds or the cat :chuckle: but the thought of someone shooting my dog if she did chase a deer or elk, kinda bothers me, as if it was whoever's duty to do so. I would think that a deer or elk would be more than capable of holding its own. Maybe I'm the one who needs to be educated on this subject. I am not justifying a dogs actions that does this. I love my dog like family because she is. Makes me just question others mindset.
"I would think that a deer or elk would be more than capable of holding its own."
Against one, maybe, against a pack of dogs, nope. Remember how yotes and wolves kill deer and elk. No difference with dogs in the chase. They might be less experienced and smaller but they are still deadly. Once they are into the chase they are predators and they are fixated on the kill. That said I could not shoot one unless I was the target. They are someone else's pet.
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Local word here is keep them home, keep them safe. My biggest pisser is domestics chasing fawns. And yes, they kill them and eat them.
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I don't think I need to be educated, I live in the NE corner and I see cattle and Deer every single day in high quantity's. Not saying it doesn't happen because it does (dogs chasing deer) , but I have never seen it in my life. I don't have any numbers to play with statistically and am just guessing wild animals being ran down by somebody's pet are probably pretty low, Maybe I just have a bigger heart for a pet rather than an a freezer filler. I guess we can just agree to disagree. :brew:
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I had a guy tell me that he was going to shoot my dogs once. It almost came to punches.
I walk my dogs on our hoa land with their e collars on. There are a lot of deer that run off when we walk through, my dogs are never more than 100 yards from me and this guy (doesnt even live in our hoa) comes to me and in no uncertain terms tells me if he sees my dogs again he will shoot them. He also tried to tell me that i didnt in fact live in the hoa and that i wasnt allowed to be there.
I can agree that dogs should not be chasing wildlife, but also agree with the laws. It would sure be a shame if someone was a bit trigger happy and shot some dogs that someone was in control of and exercising like in my case above. :twocents:
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I had a guy tell me that he was going to shoot my dogs once. It almost came to punches.
I walk my dogs on our hoa land with their e collars on. There are a lot of deer that run off when we walk through, my dogs are never more than 100 yards from me and this guy (doesnt even live in our hoa) comes to me and in no uncertain terms tells me if he sees my dogs again he will shoot them. He also tried to tell me that i didnt in fact live in the hoa and that i wasnt allowed to be there.
I can agree that dogs should not be chasing wildlife, but also agree with the laws. It would sure be a shame if someone was a bit trigger happy and shot some dogs that someone was in control of and exercising like in my case above. :twocents:
You know what your mistake was? Living in a HOA.
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I had a guy tell me that he was going to shoot my dogs once. It almost came to punches.
I walk my dogs on our hoa land with their e collars on. There are a lot of deer that run off when we walk through, my dogs are never more than 100 yards from me and this guy (doesnt even live in our hoa) comes to me and in no uncertain terms tells me if he sees my dogs again he will shoot them. He also tried to tell me that i didnt in fact live in the hoa and that i wasnt allowed to be there.
I can agree that dogs should not be chasing wildlife, but also agree with the laws. It would sure be a shame if someone was a bit trigger happy and shot some dogs that someone was in control of and exercising like in my case above. :twocents:
You know what your mistake was? Living in a HOA.
Yes that is the exact reason that i was yelled at and threatened by someone from outside our hoa... :bash: what a pointless post...
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I don't think I need to be educated, I live in the NE corner and I see cattle and Deer every single day in high quantity's. Not saying it doesn't happen because it does (dogs chasing deer) , but I have never seen it in my life. I don't have any numbers to play with statistically and am just guessing wild animals being ran down by somebody's pet are probably pretty low, Maybe I just have a bigger heart for a pet rather than an a freezer filler. I guess we can just agree to disagree. :brew:
I have had dogs eating the ass end out of live deer in my field, one was my neighbors dog and I know they had to have seen it as it was right out front of their house. It was a real conundrum for me, I was so angry seeing that deer suffer but it was right in front of the neighbors house! Do I shoot it? I finally shot the deer and removed it and I don't know what ever happened to the dog.
(Those neighbors are long gone for anyone that knows me)
I've had problem with livestock and dogs over the years but generally everyone around knows me and I'm usually able to locate the neighbors. I had a huge dog put my nephew in the outhouse for most of the night, it wandered in when we were having a big camp out with the military families. I rented some porta potties. I hear all the commotion and head out ready to do this dog in as it had found my rabbit hutch and they were stomping.
Instead found my nephew was scared to death hiding in a porta potty. I ask him how long he'd been in there "oh since about 2 am I had to take a leak and it came at me!" it was about 8 am now, poor kid. The dog was the size of a great dane but a bit thicker. He was trembling with fear and just knew cujo the hell hound was circling that porta potty.
I gave the dog the stink eye and it melted, nephew was stunned at the instant change of demeanor in the dog. It came up with its tail between its legs and went belly up at my feet...couldn't shoot it. I was ready for it to charge me and I'd do my business.
finally found it was a rescue that recently got re-homed 12 miles away and the rescue agency came picked it up. Coulda been a nice dog with a good owner. Nephew spent half the day with that dog, it was his new best friend while waiting for it to get picked up.
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Local word here is keep them home, keep them safe. My biggest pisser is domestics chasing fawns. And yes, they kill them and eat them.
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I know this is a sore subject with a lot of us. But it's even more sore when you know more. The law USED to be (and I used it and quoted the RCW to the responding officer when a do gooder neighbor called me in). It used to be any dog caught chasing deer or elk could be shot on sight by ANYONE. And that's what I did. 3 dogs as a pack chasing game in my area, I wasn't quick enough the first 2 times they came through but the 3rd time I got one, and the gun shots ticked off the local nosy neighbor. Over 10 years ago the animal people (talk about irony) got the law changed so that only a LEO could shoot a dog that was chasing game animals. Shows they aren't about protecting animals they are about stopping hunters. And that's why some people have been told both. It was the law for DECADES that anyone could shoot them on sight if they where in the act, and I don't think it was ever a problem. But do gooders got it changed. What's the odds that a LEO is going to see it go down... shoot it was on my own land and I was to slow the first 2 times it happened, only got them the 3rd time because I was keeping a loaded riffle by the door in case I saw it again. And shock of shocks.... one of the 3 gone... the other 2 never came back.
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Well being a dog owner I feel it's the fault of the dog owner to let it happen. I would like to know if it was my dog doing purchasing and have a chance to stop it. But in the same token you should know where you pets are at all times.
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Well being a dog owner I feel it's the fault of the dog owner to let it happen. I would like to know if it was my dog doing purchasing and have a chance to stop it. But in the same token you should know where you pets are at all times.
Maybe do a check with Credit Karma and then just take away any credit cards, or call the bank and have them stopped... :dunno:
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Well being a dog owner I feel it's the fault of the dog owner to let it happen. I would like to know if it was my dog doing purchasing and have a chance to stop it. But in the same token you should know where you pets are at all times.
Maybe do a check with Credit Karma and then just take away any credit cards, or call the bank and have them stopped... :dunno:
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: