Dogs chasing elk

[ghosthunter]

Too many unknowns.

What if the dogs belonged to the property?
What if the property owner didn’t want elk eating his pasture.
What if they were your dogs?

You don’t own the property ,so you are going to what? Shoot on to private property? Shoot from the road? Know your back stop? Any kids,buildings, people behind the targets you can’t see?

A rifle bullet travels a long ways.

Vigilante justice?

I am really surprised anyone would post on a public forum that they would shoot , in this instance as outlined by OP.

Don’t get me wrong , I don’t condone dogs chasing wildlife. But it’s not your call if it not your property period.  And like  Bigtex said against the law anyways.   Very unsafe.

Dogs chasing your livestock, maybe?

You shoot some dogs in Skagit County up around Birdsveiw where elk do thousands in property damage along Hwy 20 and you probably will have a couple hundred folks after your hide.
I would make sure my brain and emotions were in check before pulling the trigger.

[Bango skank]

A dog that harrasses deer or elk is a coyote in my book.  No better.  Yeah, its the owners fault that their dog sucks, too bad for the dog.  Identify the problem, address the problem.   

Nobody wants to kill a dog, but if all else fails, screw it, its a yote.

[NOCK NOCK]

I would agree bango. If I see it I would have to take action. It’s frustrating that the owners of dogs let this happen. Has anyone heard from the DFW on this topic

Ive heard from wdfw on this topic.  I had local dogs chasing deer on my place.  I lodged a complaint.  Game warden said "it sounds like you should shoot the dogs."  I told him i would if i had to, but i dont want to shoot somebodys dog.  He said if i did, neither the county nor the wdfw would press charges, id be immune to anything other than a potential civil suit, which wouldnt happen if i basically just SSS.  anyway, i got him to talk to the dogs owners on my behalf, and luckily that fixed the problem.  Really, i dont want to kill a dog under any circumstances, but i would have if the warden wasnt able to put the fear into the dogs owners.

I've had almost the exact same experience with a WDFW warden, except he emphasized to us about the last S

[Axle]

Some RCWs from WA state dealing with dogs running loose and/or harrasing or killing.

https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=16.08&full=true

[bornhunter]

Too many unknowns.

What if the dogs belonged to the property?
What if the property owner didn’t want elk eating his pasture.
What if they were your dogs?

You don’t own the property ,so you are going to what? Shoot on to private property? Shoot from the road? Know your back stop? Any kids,buildings, people behind the targets you can’t see?

A rifle bullet travels a long ways.

Vigilante justice?

I am really surprised anyone would post on a public forum that they would shoot , in this instance as outlined by OP.

Don’t get me wrong , I don’t condone dogs chasing wildlife. But it’s not your call if it not your property period.  And like  Bigtex said against the law anyways.   Very unsafe.

Dogs chasing your livestock, maybe?

You shoot some dogs in Skagit County up around Birdsveiw where elk do thousands in property damage along Hwy 20 and you probably will have a couple hundred folks after your hide.
I would make sure my brain and emotions were in check before pulling the trigger.

I have 260 acres I manage for trees and wildlife. I have elk, deer and all kinds of critters on it. Last year a dog ran a doe into one of my fences and it snapped her neck. When I opened her up she had a fawn in her. Dogs will run deer to death. I live a long way out in the boonies with closest neighbor about 1/2 mile away. And I love dogs. The tongues on the ones I popped were hanging out a mile so they had been at it morning. People who choose not to control their dogs make that choice. BTW, loose dogs cause plenty of car accidents also.

[bhawley76]

I could see this turning into the Hatfield's and McCoy's real quick if you got caught shooting someone's dog.   

[bornhunter]

I could see this turning into the Hatfield's and McCoy's real quick if you got caught shooting someone's dog.

That is true. Shoot, shovel and shut up.

[birddogdad]

Too many unknowns.

What if the dogs belonged to the property?
What if the property owner didn’t want elk eating his pasture.
What if they were your dogs?

You don’t own the property ,so you are going to what? Shoot on to private property? Shoot from the road? Know your back stop? Any kids,buildings, people behind the targets you can’t see?


A rifle bullet travels a long ways.

Vigilante justice?

I am really surprised anyone would post on a public forum that they would shoot , in this instance as outlined by OP.

Don’t get me wrong , I don’t condone dogs chasing wildlife. But it’s not your call if it not your property period.  And like  Bigtex said against the law anyways.   Very unsafe.

Dogs chasing your livestock, maybe?

You shoot some dogs in Skagit County up around Birdsveiw where elk do thousands in property damage along Hwy 20 and you probably will have a couple hundred folks after your hide.
I would make sure my brain and emotions were in check before pulling the trigger.

I have 260 acres I manage for trees and wildlife. I have elk, deer and all kinds of critters on it. Last year a dog ran a doe into one of my fences and it snapped her neck. When I opened her up she had a fawn in her. Dogs will run deer to death. I live a long way out in the boonies with closest neighbor about 1/2 mile away. And I love dogs. The tongues on the ones I popped were hanging out a mile so they had been at it morning. People who choose not to control their dogs make that choice. BTW, loose dogs cause plenty of car accidents also.

 
 
let me say i hate to see dogs running game for sure but!!

we are not judge dredd here.. there are laws, we are not police and situation with so many unknowns is in play. you would be in clear violation if caught of felony animal cruelty charges regardless if owner filed.. I know it would become my life's mission to prevent you from ever EVER being allowed to touch a firearm (if it were my dog), my property ect and you chose to kill it.. REGARDLESS of the situation.. Reporting to authorities is your (legal) course of action and yes an ethical responsibility for the game. The subsequent interaction with dog owner and legal impacts to the owners is authorities responsibility...
I say this from a dog shot experience - my 75 yo father was out walking his dog on forest gated roads and a bird hunter shot his dog opening day of grouse season "thinking it was a stray", dog had run up around a corner from him in Mason county few years ago.. absolutely devastating for him. i wasn't there and the guy walked away without identifying himself to the old man. My dad was carrying and to this day i feel that gentleman was damn lucky to be alive and i am grateful my pops emotion didn't take over his dog, like those in this thread!

[b0bbyg]

Have not seen it mentioned or I just missed it, but shooting a dog running on your property is much different than shooting a dog on private property you don't own or public/state/federal land, would be interested in how LEO would advise when on public land and dogs were chasing deer/Elk

I think dogs on your property chasing, threatening or just whatever you have a lot more protection and rights than out hiking and did not like what that dog was doing.

With that said almost shot 2 dogs that wandered onto my property and thought it was OK to growl and act threatening when my wife was getting out of the car. lucky for them the neighbor got them called into a fenced area on his property before I got back outside with the shotgun, he called animal control to come haul them off. I have no issue with dealing with problems on your property

[bigtex]

Have not seen it mentioned or I just missed it, but shooting a dog running on your property is much different than shooting a dog on private property you don't own or public/state/federal land, would be interested in how LEO would advise when on public land and dogs were chasing deer/Elk

I think dogs on your property chasing, threatening or just whatever you have a lot more protection and rights than out hiking and did not like what that dog was doing.

Sorry but this is incorrect. Even private landowners cannot shoot a dog chasing game on their own property, if they do they are open to civil and/or criminal charges. The law is clear, only law enforcement officers can shoot dogs chasing game.

The law DOES allow private landowners to shoot dogs chasing livestock that belong to that landowner.


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[KFhunter]

 


reality is LEO would be loathe to enforce that and if there was a single chicken, cow, goat or anything....it would be written off as threatening livestock. 

and if there was no livestock whatsoever, it growled at you or a kid or wife

[Pegasus]

I would never shoot a dog chasing game and evidently you can not legally do so in this state. In many states it is legal. I have fired a round over their heads one time. A pack of dogs chased some deer by me once. I fired one shot and the dogs stopped immediately and figured out where the shot came from. Once they spotted me they charged me. I fired a round into the ground in front of them and they backed off. When they are in the chase they are different creatures.

[b0bbyg]

Have not seen it mentioned or I just missed it, but shooting a dog running on your property is much different than shooting a dog on private property you don't own or public/state/federal land, would be interested in how LEO would advise when on public land and dogs were chasing deer/Elk

I think dogs on your property chasing, threatening or just whatever you have a lot more protection and rights than out hiking and did not like what that dog was doing.

Sorry but this is incorrect. Even private landowners cannot shoot a dog chasing game on their own property, if they do they are open to civil and/or criminal charges. The law is clear, only law enforcement officers can shoot dogs chasing game.

The law DOES allow private landowners to shoot dogs chasing livestock that belong to that landowner.


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    Good to know

[HntnFsh]

Another thread promoting Illegal activity. I suppose this one will go the way of the Gopher hawk thread and Wags thread too.

[bornhunter]

Well I dont where ya'll are from but I would like to see the demographics on folks who are contributing on this topic. I am an old fart and I dont rely on the govt to solve my problems. A pack of dogs came on my property one morning chasing a bunch of deer. I could tell by the way the deer were running that some sort of prey animal would be along soon. Here they came and I cracked a couple of 270 rounds behind them and off they went. A week later here they come again. What's interesting here it was the same day of the week. Maybe the owner cuts them loose and lets them run wild for the weekend, IDK. Well, two out of the three didnt make it home that day. The one survivor never came back on my place. I am not advocating anyone violate the law. But calling the cops for every little thing doesnt happen with me and my old fart friends. This forum is great, so we can all express our own opinions. Ok, fire back now.