Post by: Matth on May 04, 2020, 12:12:11 PM
Post by: stlusn30-06 on May 04, 2020, 12:17:48 PM
Blue print the action
I'm guessing it is pretty accurate out of the box. So Re-barrel for weight if you feel like it, but probably can get some accuracy improvement too.
Everything else is weight loss.
Fluting the bolt
Fluting the barrel
shaving the bolt handle
etc....
I mean those are some suggestions.
Post by: Magnum_Willys on May 04, 2020, 12:21:10 PM
Probably just rebarrel throated for 215 bergers and drop in a chassis but proof barrel or Bartlein 3B.......
But if long-throating may as well goto a 300 prc.
Post by: Matth on May 04, 2020, 12:24:32 PM
Restock in McMillan, Manner etc...Drop a little weight
Blue print the action
I'm guessing it is pretty accurate out of the box. So Re-barrel for weight if you feel like it, but probably can get some accuracy improvement too.
Everything else is weight loss.
Fluting the bolt
Fluting the barrel
shaving the bolt handle
etc....
I mean those are some suggestions.
All fantastic ideas. I may even re chamber it in something new, i have 3, 30 cals already and this one hasn't left the safe in like 19 years.
Post by: Matth on May 04, 2020, 12:27:47 PM
Having same discussion with a smith today! Was thinking long-throated 300 wsm which go 6000 rounds before barrel worn out but too much work.Bingo, Crazy you would mention that i am currently helping a friend work up a load for a new 300 PRC, and i think i like it. I have been wanting to do something with this thing for a while
Probably just rebarrel throated for 215 bergers and drop in a chassis but proof barrel or Bartlein 3B.......
But if long-throating may as well goto a 300 prc.
Post by: Matth on May 04, 2020, 12:32:11 PM
Post by: b23 on May 04, 2020, 01:02:20 PM
Post by: Matth on May 04, 2020, 01:24:22 PM
I think those Howa actions are one of the best factory actions out there. Their biggest downfall is you are much more limited on overall cartridge length with them, than say a Rem 700 LA, but if you pick something that doesn't have a real long case and a bullet to match, they make for a great semi custom build. Just remember, they're a metric thread and not all gunsmiths have lathes that cut metric threads so make sure you discuss that with your smith ahead of time.Thank you for the info.
I was thinking 300 Norma, but i'm not sure if the bolt face issue can be over come.
Post by: b23 on May 04, 2020, 02:16:08 PM
I'm sure you could find someone to open the bolt face up but I'm not sure it would be a very good idea. Those action have a pinned M16 style extractor and when you open up the bolt face to .588 not sure how much meat that would leave around the pin as well as it could potentially cause geometry issues for reliable extraction.I think those Howa actions are one of the best factory actions out there. Their biggest downfall is you are much more limited on overall cartridge length with them, than say a Rem 700 LA, but if you pick something that doesn't have a real long case and a bullet to match, they make for a great semi custom build. Just remember, they're a metric thread and not all gunsmiths have lathes that cut metric threads so make sure you discuss that with your smith ahead of time.Thank you for the info.
I was thinking 300 Norma, but i'm not sure if the bolt face issue can be over come.
I think the 300 PRC or 30 Nosler would be a really good fit for that action and still leave you enough room to seat the bullets out and use it as a repeater.
Post by: Matth on May 04, 2020, 02:24:45 PM
Post by: b23 on May 04, 2020, 02:36:37 PM
I could always just re barrel it back to 300RoY as well, but that wouldn't give the new gun feel.
I shot a 300 Wby for years, at one time it was the only CF rifle I owned so I used it for everything from coyotes to elk, but even though the 300 Wby has the same case capacity as the PRC and Nosler, it's fairly long so if you're looking for more performance and you don't want to single feed, the 300 PRC and 30 Nosler will get you there. Also, they aren't a belted case and that alone would make it worth it for me.
Post by: Matth on May 04, 2020, 02:50:09 PM
:tup:I could always just re barrel it back to 300RoY as well, but that wouldn't give the new gun feel.
I shot a 300 Wby for years, at one time it was the only CF rifle I owned so I used it for everything from coyotes to elk, but even though the 300 Wby has the same case capacity as the PRC and Nosler, it's fairly long so if you're looking for more performance and you don't want to single feed, the 300 PRC and 30 Nosler will get you there. Also, they aren't a belted case and that alone would make it worth it for me.
Post by: jasnt on May 04, 2020, 06:28:38 PM
Post by: b23 on May 04, 2020, 07:15:47 PM
Post by: jasnt on May 04, 2020, 08:37:16 PM
3.850 inlet is recommended so 3.7 ish on coal
Post by: jasnt on May 04, 2020, 08:41:03 PM
Post by: Matth on May 05, 2020, 07:12:40 AM
Post by: Matth on May 05, 2020, 08:03:52 AM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on May 05, 2020, 08:04:34 AM
Post by: b23 on May 05, 2020, 08:18:39 AM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on May 05, 2020, 08:43:03 AM
I generally like to have the bullet diameter of bearing surface in the neck so using that with a 215 Berger, you should be well under 3.600 with both the 300 PRC or 30 Nosler. I don't think either case has enough capacity to warrant anything heavier than a 215 so that's why I referenced the 215's.
Does that keep the bullet away from the donut area on the prc?
Post by: Matth on May 05, 2020, 08:53:16 AM
3.58 on mine. ThatS a minimum of .115 jump with 215 Berger unless single feed.
Why so much variation in size? difference in standard cartridge length, vs Weatherby LA cartridge length.
Post by: jasnt on May 05, 2020, 10:25:54 AM
Post by: Matth on May 05, 2020, 12:26:26 PM
Mine started life as a 300wm. Maybe that’s the differenceI'm sure your correct, even at that it still may not be enough length. Maybe i should be looking for a shorter range west side brush gun build. As stated before i have a bunch of 30's, and some 338's, 6.5, 243, and so on. I did get excited about the prc though, that may be because of the work i'm doing with my friends at the moment.
Post by: jasnt on May 05, 2020, 01:44:21 PM
Post by: Jolten on May 05, 2020, 01:47:25 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on May 05, 2020, 01:52:26 PM
Post by: Matth on May 05, 2020, 02:27:28 PM
Post by: Matth on May 05, 2020, 02:31:55 PM
Everyone needs a .375 for a shorter range/brush gun. :twocents:I thought about a 375 Rugar a while back.
Post by: b23 on May 05, 2020, 02:37:38 PM
I need to settle down a bit, and think. All of these ideas are great but i should be more practical about this.
Pfft! Moderation and being practical is HIGHLY overrated and there is just no fun in that way of thinking. As we all know, "need" ain't got nuttin to do wit it and if, need, ever becomes a prerequisite, I'm out. Excess and impractical is how we roll!!! :chuckle:
Post by: stw on May 05, 2020, 02:50:06 PM
Post by: b23 on May 05, 2020, 03:03:23 PM
I generally like to have the bullet diameter of bearing surface in the neck so using that with a 215 Berger, you should be well under 3.600 with both the 300 PRC or 30 Nosler. I don't think either case has enough capacity to warrant anything heavier than a 215 so that's why I referenced the 215's.
Does that keep the bullet away from the donut area on the prc?
I've had and currently have many different cartridges I load for, both mild and hot rod, I have never ever had an issue with donuts forming in the neck. I know what they are and I hear people talk about them, I tend to think more talk about it than actually have experienced the problem, but I've never had any problem with them forming.
Post by: jjhunter on May 05, 2020, 03:34:35 PM
I generally like to have the bullet diameter of bearing surface in the neck so using that with a 215 Berger, you should be well under 3.600 with both the 300 PRC or 30 Nosler. I don't think either case has enough capacity to warrant anything heavier than a 215 so that's why I referenced the 215's.
Does that keep the bullet away from the donut area on the prc?
I've had and currently have many different cartridges I load for, both mild and hot rod, I have never ever had an issue with donuts forming in the neck. I know what they are and I hear people talk about them, I tend to think more talk about it than actually have experienced the problem, but I've never had any problem with them forming.
Agree.
Post by: Magnum_Willys on May 05, 2020, 05:41:44 PM
Post by: b23 on May 05, 2020, 07:12:25 PM
I know its just a good rule of thumb to not seat bearing surface past the neck - shoulder junction for the best neck tension consistency.Have you ever had trouble with donuts forming?
Post by: jasnt on May 05, 2020, 07:47:41 PM
i have. Was same lot of Norma 243 brass on its 3rd barrelI know its just a good rule of thumb to not seat bearing surface past the neck - shoulder junction for the best neck tension consistency.Have you ever had trouble with donuts forming?
Post by: Magnum_Willys on May 06, 2020, 06:19:05 AM
I know its just a good rule of thumb to not seat bearing surface past the neck - shoulder junction for the best neck tension consistency.Have you ever had trouble with donuts forming?
Yes on 338-378 when full sizing I get a donut that has to be drilled out or you feel the big resistance when seating bullet as it hits that junction. I think full sizing with certain dies causes it. I have tried several dies including a body die same issue. If your die - chamber match is off you have to bump too far to fit in chamber causes it too.
If you can get by with Neck sizing or just .002 bump probably won’t ever get a donut.
Post by: jasnt on May 06, 2020, 07:01:51 AM