Post by: Rookie24 on May 05, 2020, 04:49:41 PM
The tribe up to shenanigans.... I was told July 1st is the earliest WR opens... IF AT ALL :bash:
Covid19 is the gift that keeps on giving...
Post by: Tikka Bird Dog on May 06, 2020, 09:14:32 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on May 06, 2020, 09:21:46 AM
Post by: nwmein199 on May 07, 2020, 08:16:46 AM
It is a damn shame the natives bought it, and it will be just a matter of time before they close it down to non natives.
Are the natives not allowed to buy land and use the land they bought how they want?
Post by: grundy53 on May 07, 2020, 08:24:19 AM
No one said they aren't allowed to buy land or do what they want with it. He said it was a damn shame. Just like if a developer bought a property you love to hunt and put a hundred houses on it. It would be a damn shame.It is a damn shame the natives bought it, and it will be just a matter of time before they close it down to non natives.
Are the natives not allowed to buy land and use the land they bought how they want?
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Post by: nwmein199 on May 07, 2020, 08:39:05 AM
No one said they aren't allowed to buy land or do what they want with it. He said it was a damn shame. Just like if a developer bought a property you love to hunt and put a hundred houses on it. It would be a damn shame.It is a damn shame the natives bought it, and it will be just a matter of time before they close it down to non natives.
Are the natives not allowed to buy land and use the land they bought how they want?
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:tup: I read it another way but makes sense
Post by: Rookie24 on May 09, 2020, 08:58:34 AM
No other logical explanation other than the fact that the owners of WR don't want us in there.
This IS the only explanation as the cowards at Hancock REFUSE to address it or answer any questions. Just sent out a quick, vague e-mail and then proceeded to run and hide. I know five people who have asked very simple, polite questions and have not received one reply.
Post by: Rookie24 on May 28, 2020, 11:15:19 PM
Post by: fishnfur on June 04, 2020, 11:02:47 PM
No other logical explanation other than the fact that the owners of WR don't want us in there.
This IS the only explanation as the cowards at Hancock REFUSE to address it or answer any questions. Just sent out a quick, vague e-mail and then proceeded to run and hide. I know five people who have asked very simple, polite questions and have not received one reply.
I dunno about all that, but I do know that Hancock and other Commercial Timber companies are in the biz of growing and cutting trees for profit. Anything outside that falls into public relations and/or other no profit activities, which of course does nothing for their bottom line. Historically, we hunters have often failed miserably in respecting the property of those companies I'm sure for them, it is something of a love-hate relationship with hunters. We help minimize animal damage to their crop trees, but we also cause damage in very many ways.
While I wish the Big Timber lands were still open to free hunting access for all hunters, I also understand that by charging for access, they are increasing their profits and keeping hunters somewhat satisfied with the situation. Also, by limiting access to their lands, they are reducing the destruction that has, and still does, occur due to granting hunting access. If they fail to respond to polite questions, I would suggest that beyond taking money and setting rules for access, they probably don't feel they need to spend valuable time dealing with non-timber activities. If you don't like the way they operate, then perhaps you should consider finding a different place to hunt. I'm thinking they would agree with that sentiment.
Post by: grundy53 on June 05, 2020, 06:44:08 AM
What can Hancock do? They don't own it.No other logical explanation other than the fact that the owners of WR don't want us in there.
This IS the only explanation as the cowards at Hancock REFUSE to address it or answer any questions. Just sent out a quick, vague e-mail and then proceeded to run and hide. I know five people who have asked very simple, polite questions and have not received one reply.
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Post by: trophyhunt on June 05, 2020, 07:49:09 AM
:yeah: send emails to the mucklshoot tribe.What can Hancock do? They don't own it.No other logical explanation other than the fact that the owners of WR don't want us in there.
This IS the only explanation as the cowards at Hancock REFUSE to address it or answer any questions. Just sent out a quick, vague e-mail and then proceeded to run and hide. I know five people who have asked very simple, polite questions and have not received one reply.
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Post by: Mudman on June 05, 2020, 08:45:53 AM
Keep drinking koolaids. Nonsense.No other logical explanation other than the fact that the owners of WR don't want us in there.
This IS the only explanation as the cowards at Hancock REFUSE to address it or answer any questions. Just sent out a quick, vague e-mail and then proceeded to run and hide. I know five people who have asked very simple, polite questions and have not received one reply.
I dunno about all that, but I do know that Hancock and other Commercial Timber companies are in the biz of growing and cutting trees for profit. Anything outside that falls into public relations and/or other no profit activities, which of course does nothing for their bottom line. Historically, we hunters have often failed miserably in respecting the property of those companies I'm sure for them, it is something of a love-hate relationship with hunters. We help minimize animal damage to their crop trees, but we also cause damage in very many ways.
While I wish the Big Timber lands were still open to free hunting access for all hunters, I also understand that by charging for access, they are increasing their profits and keeping hunters somewhat satisfied with the situation. Also, by limiting access to their lands, they are reducing the destruction that has, and still does, occur due to granting hunting access. If they fail to respond to polite questions, I would suggest that beyond taking money and setting rules for access, they probably don't feel they need to spend valuable time dealing with non-timber activities. If you don't like the way they operate, then perhaps you should consider finding a different place to hunt. I'm thinking they would agree with that sentiment.
Post by: TriggerMike on June 05, 2020, 09:50:59 AM
Post by: Rookie24 on June 05, 2020, 10:18:06 AM
What can Hancock do? They don't own it.No other logical explanation other than the fact that the owners of WR don't want us in there.
This IS the only explanation as the cowards at Hancock REFUSE to address it or answer any questions. Just sent out a quick, vague e-mail and then proceeded to run and hide. I know five people who have asked very simple, polite questions and have not received one reply.
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They manage it for the MT and thus should at least provide answers to the people who bought the permit. To ignore e-mails and questions is BS.
Post by: Rookie24 on June 05, 2020, 10:22:57 AM
Can you get your money back?
They are offering people their money back... that is the one thing they are doing right.
Post by: Rookie24 on July 07, 2020, 08:36:53 PM
And the cowards at Hancock STILL wont answer any questions/e-mails.
Post by: Thehowler on July 07, 2020, 09:58:45 PM
Post by: Rookie24 on July 07, 2020, 10:07:53 PM
Hancock will give you your money back if you ask, according to a email they sent out the end of last week.
Thats their cop out.... so they dont have to answer any questions. I dont want my money back... just want what I paid for. If there was even the smallest reason to shut the woods down I would understand but there isnt.... if the Mucks dont want people on their land then stop selling permits. Hiding behind a pandemic is pathetic.
Post by: Rookie24 on July 08, 2020, 05:11:47 PM
What exactly do you believe you paid for?
I'm one hundred percent certain that your recreational access permit allows you to do certain specific recreational activities in exchange for a trespass fee. What you payed for is limited/restricted access to someone else's land when it doesn't adversely effect the timber business that land was originally acquired for.
Trespass fee?? What the hell are you talking about?? How would it effect their timber industry?? Good lord man...
Post by: bigtex on July 08, 2020, 06:26:45 PM
When you pay an individual/corporation to access their land it's a trespass fee.What exactly do you believe you paid for?Trespass fee?? What the hell are you talking about?? How would it effect their timber industry?? Good lord man...
I'm one hundred percent certain that your recreational access permit allows you to do certain specific recreational activities in exchange for a trespass fee. What you payed for is limited/restricted access to someone else's land when it doesn't adversely effect the timber business that land was originally acquired for.
Post by: Rookie24 on July 08, 2020, 08:11:24 PM
When you pay an individual/corporation to access their land it's a trespass fee.What exactly do you believe you paid for?Trespass fee?? What the hell are you talking about?? How would it effect their timber industry?? Good lord man...
I'm one hundred percent certain that your recreational access permit allows you to do certain specific recreational activities in exchange for a trespass fee. What you payed for is limited/restricted access to someone else's land when it doesn't adversely effect the timber business that land was originally acquired for.
Never heard that in my life... I'm not trespassing so :dunno:
Edit:
I looked up the term and it is not a "trespass fee" . Not that it matters what someone calls it I suppose. The Hancock permit doesn't fall into the definition however.
Post by: yorketransport on July 08, 2020, 09:21:15 PM
Hancock will give you your money back if you ask, according to a email they sent out the end of last week.
Thats their cop out.... so they dont have to answer any questions. I dont want my money back... just want what I paid for. If there was even the smallest reason to shut the woods down I would understand but there isnt.... if the Mucks dont want people on their land then stop selling permits. Hiding behind a pandemic is pathetic.
Just to clarify, you paid for a product/service and now you're not happy with that product/service. You've been given the option to have your money returned, but you don't want your money back. So now you want them to change the product/service that they're offering, in order to accommodate what YOU feel is right?
So what do you feel is the appropriate access for a private entity to allow you to have to their private property? Should they check with permit holders before they make business decisions about how to manage their own land?
Post by: bigtex on July 08, 2020, 09:44:51 PM
Well there's no legal definition of it in WA, so not sure how you looked up the "term." When you pay someone to access their land that would otherwise be off limits to you it's a trespass fee, it's been mentioned in just about every hunting magazine out there.Never heard that in my life... I'm not trespassing so :dunno:When you pay an individual/corporation to access their land it's a trespass fee.What exactly do you believe you paid for?Trespass fee?? What the hell are you talking about?? How would it effect their timber industry?? Good lord man...
I'm one hundred percent certain that your recreational access permit allows you to do certain specific recreational activities in exchange for a trespass fee. What you payed for is limited/restricted access to someone else's land when it doesn't adversely effect the timber business that land was originally acquired for.
Edit:
I looked up the term and it is not a "trespass fee" . Not that it matters what someone calls it I suppose. The Hancock permit doesn't fall into the definition however.
Post by: Rookie24 on July 09, 2020, 07:54:18 AM
What exactly do you believe you paid for?
I'm one hundred percent certain that your recreational access permit allows you to do certain specific recreational activities in exchange for a trespass fee. What you payed for is limited/restricted access to someone else's land when it doesn't adversely effect the timber business that land was originally acquired for.
Trespass fee?? What the hell are you talking about?? How would it effect their timber industry?? Good lord man...
You are obviously new to this. What Bigtex says is absolutely correct. A trespass fee is what you are paying when you purchase a recreational access pass. With concerns to what effects the timber business, well it's pretty simple. Anything the timber says effects it is what effects it. You want to pick mushrooms? That effects the timber business. You want to hunt, same. Want to walk or drive on the log roads that timber trucks drive on, same. This is one of those things that people just don't seem to get. It's not for the permit holder to decide what he does on timber land, even though he purchased a permit. It is for the timber company to decide what they are willing to let you do on their land. If you don't believe me then you have never been locked out of a permit area because of burn conditions.
Sigh.... Yeah... I am new to "this". Only been buying a Hancock permit since the day they started selling them :rolleyes:
Whats odd is that this is the first time they have ever shut the woods down other than for fire danger, which is an understandable decision.
Has nothing to do with the logging industry up there and thanks for letting me know its not up for the permit holder to decide.... totally didnt know that.
Post by: Rookie24 on July 09, 2020, 07:56:43 AM
Well there's no legal definition of it in WA, so not sure how you looked up the "term." When you pay someone to access their land that would otherwise be off limits to you it's a trespass fee, it's been mentioned in just about every hunting magazine out there.Never heard that in my life... I'm not trespassing so :dunno:When you pay an individual/corporation to access their land it's a trespass fee.What exactly do you believe you paid for?Trespass fee?? What the hell are you talking about?? How would it effect their timber industry?? Good lord man...
I'm one hundred percent certain that your recreational access permit allows you to do certain specific recreational activities in exchange for a trespass fee. What you payed for is limited/restricted access to someone else's land when it doesn't adversely effect the timber business that land was originally acquired for.
Edit:
I looked up the term and it is not a "trespass fee" . Not that it matters what someone calls it I suppose. The Hancock permit doesn't fall into the definition however.
GOOGLE the term for the definition.
Riddle me this Big Tex.... Why is the term "trespass fee" NEVER been mentioned on any piece of the documentation packet Hancock provides when buying the permit??
Post by: Rookie24 on July 09, 2020, 07:59:19 AM
Hancock will give you your money back if you ask, according to a email they sent out the end of last week.
Thats their cop out.... so they dont have to answer any questions. I dont want my money back... just want what I paid for. If there was even the smallest reason to shut the woods down I would understand but there isnt.... if the Mucks dont want people on their land then stop selling permits. Hiding behind a pandemic is pathetic.
Just to clarify, you paid for a product/service and now you're not happy with that product/service. You've been given the option to have your money returned, but you don't want your money back. So now you want them to change the product/service that they're offering, in order to accommodate what YOU feel is right?
So what do you feel is the appropriate access for a private entity to allow you to have to their private property? Should they check with permit holders before they make business decisions about how to manage their own land?
Why, in your opinion, is WR the only area shut down?? Just curious as to your familiarity with the area/situation.
Post by: bigtex on July 09, 2020, 08:38:54 AM
I did GOOGLE it! The first thing that pops up is: "What is a trespass fee? At the simplest, a trespass fee is a charge to access property on which to hunt. It's usually a per day, per hunter (or gun) fee. Trespass fees are common in places like South Dakota where many hunters are there to freelance, or hunt on their own, without the assistance of an outfitter."GOOGLE the term for the definition.Well there's no legal definition of it in WA, so not sure how you looked up the "term." When you pay someone to access their land that would otherwise be off limits to you it's a trespass fee, it's been mentioned in just about every hunting magazine out there.Never heard that in my life... I'm not trespassing so :dunno:When you pay an individual/corporation to access their land it's a trespass fee.What exactly do you believe you paid for?Trespass fee?? What the hell are you talking about?? How would it effect their timber industry?? Good lord man...
I'm one hundred percent certain that your recreational access permit allows you to do certain specific recreational activities in exchange for a trespass fee. What you payed for is limited/restricted access to someone else's land when it doesn't adversely effect the timber business that land was originally acquired for.
Edit:
I looked up the term and it is not a "trespass fee" . Not that it matters what someone calls it I suppose. The Hancock permit doesn't fall into the definition however.
Riddle me this Big Tex.... Why is the term "trespass fee" NEVER been mentioned on any piece of the documentation packet Hancock provides when buying the permit??
Just because YOU don't like the term, doesn't mean that's not what it is. The vast majority of people know when they are paying to access timberlands it's a trespass fee. Timber companies can call it whatever they want, but it's a trespass fee.
Post by: highside74 on July 09, 2020, 08:54:35 AM
Paying private non commercial property owner is "Trespass Fee"
Paying commercial for profit property owner is "Access Fee"
It's all semantics anyway
Post by: Rookie24 on July 09, 2020, 09:12:37 AM
Maybe just say...
Paying private non commercial property owner is "Trespass Fee"
Paying commercial for profit property owner is "Access Fee"
It's all semantics anyway
Yep
Post by: Rookie24 on July 09, 2020, 09:16:44 AM
I did GOOGLE it! The first thing that pops up is: "What is a trespass fee? At the simplest, a trespass fee is a charge to access property on which to hunt. It's usually a per day, per hunter (or gun) fee. Trespass fees are common in places like South Dakota where many hunters are there to freelance, or hunt on their own, without the assistance of an outfitter."GOOGLE the term for the definition.Well there's no legal definition of it in WA, so not sure how you looked up the "term." When you pay someone to access their land that would otherwise be off limits to you it's a trespass fee, it's been mentioned in just about every hunting magazine out there.Never heard that in my life... I'm not trespassing so :dunno:When you pay an individual/corporation to access their land it's a trespass fee.What exactly do you believe you paid for?Trespass fee?? What the hell are you talking about?? How would it effect their timber industry?? Good lord man...
I'm one hundred percent certain that your recreational access permit allows you to do certain specific recreational activities in exchange for a trespass fee. What you payed for is limited/restricted access to someone else's land when it doesn't adversely effect the timber business that land was originally acquired for.
Edit:
I looked up the term and it is not a "trespass fee" . Not that it matters what someone calls it I suppose. The Hancock permit doesn't fall into the definition however.
Riddle me this Big Tex.... Why is the term "trespass fee" NEVER been mentioned on any piece of the documentation packet Hancock provides when buying the permit??
Just because YOU don't like the term, doesn't mean that's not what it is. The vast majority of people know when they are paying to access timberlands it's a trespass fee. Timber companies can call it whatever they want, but it's a trespass fee.
“Usually a per day...”
Case... closed. Thanks for making my point.
And.... MANY buy the permit and dont hunt so.... there is that too boyo.
What is also odd that NO ONE calls it that except for a couple cats on a forum that more than likely have never stepped foot on Hancock managed land.
Post by: Tbar on July 09, 2020, 09:25:29 AM
Rookie mistake.....I did GOOGLE it! The first thing that pops up is: "What is a trespass fee? At the simplest, a trespass fee is a charge to access property on which to hunt. It's usually a per day, per hunter (or gun) fee. Trespass fees are common in places like South Dakota where many hunters are there to freelance, or hunt on their own, without the assistance of an outfitter."GOOGLE the term for the definition.Well there's no legal definition of it in WA, so not sure how you looked up the "term." When you pay someone to access their land that would otherwise be off limits to you it's a trespass fee, it's been mentioned in just about every hunting magazine out there.Never heard that in my life... I'm not trespassing so :dunno:When you pay an individual/corporation to access their land it's a trespass fee.What exactly do you believe you paid for?Trespass fee?? What the hell are you talking about?? How would it effect their timber industry?? Good lord man...
I'm one hundred percent certain that your recreational access permit allows you to do certain specific recreational activities in exchange for a trespass fee. What you payed for is limited/restricted access to someone else's land when it doesn't adversely effect the timber business that land was originally acquired for.
Edit:
I looked up the term and it is not a "trespass fee" . Not that it matters what someone calls it I suppose. The Hancock permit doesn't fall into the definition however.
Riddle me this Big Tex.... Why is the term "trespass fee" NEVER been mentioned on any piece of the documentation packet Hancock provides when buying the permit??
Just because YOU don't like the term, doesn't mean that's not what it is. The vast majority of people know when they are paying to access timberlands it's a trespass fee. Timber companies can call it whatever they want, but it's a trespass fee.
“Usually a per day...”
Case... closed. Thanks for making my point.
And.... MANY buy the permit and dont hunt so.... there is that too boyo.
What is also odd that NO ONE calls it that except for a couple cats on a forum that more than likely have never stepped foot on Hancock managed land.
Post by: gutsnthegrass on July 09, 2020, 09:37:06 AM
I did GOOGLE it! The first thing that pops up is: "What is a trespass fee? At the simplest, a trespass fee is a charge to access property on which to hunt. It's usually a per day, per hunter (or gun) fee. Trespass fees are common in places like South Dakota where many hunters are there to freelance, or hunt on their own, without the assistance of an outfitter."GOOGLE the term for the definition.Well there's no legal definition of it in WA, so not sure how you looked up the "term." When you pay someone to access their land that would otherwise be off limits to you it's a trespass fee, it's been mentioned in just about every hunting magazine out there.Never heard that in my life... I'm not trespassing so :dunno:When you pay an individual/corporation to access their land it's a trespass fee.What exactly do you believe you paid for?Trespass fee?? What the hell are you talking about?? How would it effect their timber industry?? Good lord man...
I'm one hundred percent certain that your recreational access permit allows you to do certain specific recreational activities in exchange for a trespass fee. What you payed for is limited/restricted access to someone else's land when it doesn't adversely effect the timber business that land was originally acquired for.
Edit:
I looked up the term and it is not a "trespass fee" . Not that it matters what someone calls it I suppose. The Hancock permit doesn't fall into the definition however.
Riddle me this Big Tex.... Why is the term "trespass fee" NEVER been mentioned on any piece of the documentation packet Hancock provides when buying the permit??
Just because YOU don't like the term, doesn't mean that's not what it is. The vast majority of people know when they are paying to access timberlands it's a trespass fee. Timber companies can call it whatever they want, but it's a trespass fee.
“Usually a per day...”
Case... closed. Thanks for making my point.
And.... MANY buy the permit and dont hunt so.... there is that too boyo.
What is also odd that NO ONE calls it that except for a couple cats on a forum that more than likely have never stepped foot on Hancock managed land.
Settle down Rookie. We all know why the owners of the property shut it down. It was only a matter of time once they bought the land. It will be raped and void of animals in just a few short years.
Post by: Rainier10 on July 09, 2020, 09:54:18 AM
Post by: bigtex on July 09, 2020, 10:30:37 AM
You're own words are hurting you. The definition I provided said "usually" usually is not definitive, in fact Hancock sells day permits and annual permits.“Usually a per day...”I did GOOGLE it! The first thing that pops up is: "What is a trespass fee? At the simplest, a trespass fee is a charge to access property on which to hunt. It's usually a per day, per hunter (or gun) fee. Trespass fees are common in places like South Dakota where many hunters are there to freelance, or hunt on their own, without the assistance of an outfitter."GOOGLE the term for the definition.Well there's no legal definition of it in WA, so not sure how you looked up the "term." When you pay someone to access their land that would otherwise be off limits to you it's a trespass fee, it's been mentioned in just about every hunting magazine out there.Never heard that in my life... I'm not trespassing so :dunno:When you pay an individual/corporation to access their land it's a trespass fee.What exactly do you believe you paid for?Trespass fee?? What the hell are you talking about?? How would it effect their timber industry?? Good lord man...
I'm one hundred percent certain that your recreational access permit allows you to do certain specific recreational activities in exchange for a trespass fee. What you payed for is limited/restricted access to someone else's land when it doesn't adversely effect the timber business that land was originally acquired for.
Edit:
I looked up the term and it is not a "trespass fee" . Not that it matters what someone calls it I suppose. The Hancock permit doesn't fall into the definition however.
Riddle me this Big Tex.... Why is the term "trespass fee" NEVER been mentioned on any piece of the documentation packet Hancock provides when buying the permit??
Just because YOU don't like the term, doesn't mean that's not what it is. The vast majority of people know when they are paying to access timberlands it's a trespass fee. Timber companies can call it whatever they want, but it's a trespass fee.
Case... closed. Thanks for making my point.
And.... MANY buy the permit and dont hunt so.... there is that too boyo.
What is also odd that NO ONE calls it that except for a couple cats on a forum that more than likely have never stepped foot on Hancock managed land.
Well Rookie I've been on every Hancock managed access land with an permit for access in WA. In fact, I even patrol some of these Hancock areas. But hey what do I know, I've only enforced trespass laws in WA for 3 decades.
You can call it whatever you want. You'd be charged with a crime of trespass if you didn't have the permit. If it makes you feel good to call it an access permit have at it, I'm done with this pointless conversation.
Post by: Rookie24 on July 09, 2020, 11:56:23 AM
You're own words are hurting you. The definition I provided said "usually" usually is not definitive, in fact Hancock sells day permits and annual permits.“Usually a per day...”I did GOOGLE it! The first thing that pops up is: "What is a trespass fee? At the simplest, a trespass fee is a charge to access property on which to hunt. It's usually a per day, per hunter (or gun) fee. Trespass fees are common in places like South Dakota where many hunters are there to freelance, or hunt on their own, without the assistance of an outfitter."GOOGLE the term for the definition.Well there's no legal definition of it in WA, so not sure how you looked up the "term." When you pay someone to access their land that would otherwise be off limits to you it's a trespass fee, it's been mentioned in just about every hunting magazine out there.Never heard that in my life... I'm not trespassing so :dunno:When you pay an individual/corporation to access their land it's a trespass fee.What exactly do you believe you paid for?Trespass fee?? What the hell are you talking about?? How would it effect their timber industry?? Good lord man...
I'm one hundred percent certain that your recreational access permit allows you to do certain specific recreational activities in exchange for a trespass fee. What you payed for is limited/restricted access to someone else's land when it doesn't adversely effect the timber business that land was originally acquired for.
Edit:
I looked up the term and it is not a "trespass fee" . Not that it matters what someone calls it I suppose. The Hancock permit doesn't fall into the definition however.
Riddle me this Big Tex.... Why is the term "trespass fee" NEVER been mentioned on any piece of the documentation packet Hancock provides when buying the permit??
Just because YOU don't like the term, doesn't mean that's not what it is. The vast majority of people know when they are paying to access timberlands it's a trespass fee. Timber companies can call it whatever they want, but it's a trespass fee.
Case... closed. Thanks for making my point.
And.... MANY buy the permit and dont hunt so.... there is that too boyo.
What is also odd that NO ONE calls it that except for a couple cats on a forum that more than likely have never stepped foot on Hancock managed land.
Well Rookie I've been on every Hancock managed access land with an permit for access in WA. In fact, I even patrol some of these Hancock areas. But hey what do I know, I've only enforced trespass laws in WA for 3 decades.
You can call it whatever you want. You'd be charged with a crime of trespass if you didn't have the permit. If it makes you feel good to call it an access permit have at it, I'm done with this pointless conversation.
So we agree the Hancock is not a trespass fee... good. Glad we came to this agreement.
Since you are such an expert on the area and such.... why do YOU think WR is shut down right now??
Post by: Rookie24 on July 09, 2020, 11:59:31 AM
I did GOOGLE it! The first thing that pops up is: "What is a trespass fee? At the simplest, a trespass fee is a charge to access property on which to hunt. It's usually a per day, per hunter (or gun) fee. Trespass fees are common in places like South Dakota where many hunters are there to freelance, or hunt on their own, without the assistance of an outfitter."GOOGLE the term for the definition.Well there's no legal definition of it in WA, so not sure how you looked up the "term." When you pay someone to access their land that would otherwise be off limits to you it's a trespass fee, it's been mentioned in just about every hunting magazine out there.Never heard that in my life... I'm not trespassing so :dunno:When you pay an individual/corporation to access their land it's a trespass fee.What exactly do you believe you paid for?Trespass fee?? What the hell are you talking about?? How would it effect their timber industry?? Good lord man...
I'm one hundred percent certain that your recreational access permit allows you to do certain specific recreational activities in exchange for a trespass fee. What you payed for is limited/restricted access to someone else's land when it doesn't adversely effect the timber business that land was originally acquired for.
Edit:
I looked up the term and it is not a "trespass fee" . Not that it matters what someone calls it I suppose. The Hancock permit doesn't fall into the definition however.
Riddle me this Big Tex.... Why is the term "trespass fee" NEVER been mentioned on any piece of the documentation packet Hancock provides when buying the permit??
Just because YOU don't like the term, doesn't mean that's not what it is. The vast majority of people know when they are paying to access timberlands it's a trespass fee. Timber companies can call it whatever they want, but it's a trespass fee.
“Usually a per day...”
Case... closed. Thanks for making my point.
And.... MANY buy the permit and dont hunt so.... there is that too boyo.
What is also odd that NO ONE calls it that except for a couple cats on a forum that more than likely have never stepped foot on Hancock managed land.
Settle down Rookie. We all know why the owners of the property shut it down. It was only a matter of time once they bought the land. It will be raped and void of animals in just a few short years.
Mucks shut it down because they dont REALLY want us up there... for sure. Agree on that point.
Dont agree on the animal pop though... the deer hunting is better now than it ever has been and I dont see why it would change.
Post by: gutsnthegrass on July 09, 2020, 12:44:04 PM
You're own words are hurting you. The definition I provided said "usually" usually is not definitive, in fact Hancock sells day permits and annual permits.“Usually a per day...”I did GOOGLE it! The first thing that pops up is: "What is a trespass fee? At the simplest, a trespass fee is a charge to access property on which to hunt. It's usually a per day, per hunter (or gun) fee. Trespass fees are common in places like South Dakota where many hunters are there to freelance, or hunt on their own, without the assistance of an outfitter."GOOGLE the term for the definition.Well there's no legal definition of it in WA, so not sure how you looked up the "term." When you pay someone to access their land that would otherwise be off limits to you it's a trespass fee, it's been mentioned in just about every hunting magazine out there.Never heard that in my life... I'm not trespassing so :dunno:When you pay an individual/corporation to access their land it's a trespass fee.What exactly do you believe you paid for?Trespass fee?? What the hell are you talking about?? How would it effect their timber industry?? Good lord man...
I'm one hundred percent certain that your recreational access permit allows you to do certain specific recreational activities in exchange for a trespass fee. What you payed for is limited/restricted access to someone else's land when it doesn't adversely effect the timber business that land was originally acquired for.
Edit:
I looked up the term and it is not a "trespass fee" . Not that it matters what someone calls it I suppose. The Hancock permit doesn't fall into the definition however.
Riddle me this Big Tex.... Why is the term "trespass fee" NEVER been mentioned on any piece of the documentation packet Hancock provides when buying the permit??
Just because YOU don't like the term, doesn't mean that's not what it is. The vast majority of people know when they are paying to access timberlands it's a trespass fee. Timber companies can call it whatever they want, but it's a trespass fee.
Case... closed. Thanks for making my point.
And.... MANY buy the permit and dont hunt so.... there is that too boyo.
What is also odd that NO ONE calls it that except for a couple cats on a forum that more than likely have never stepped foot on Hancock managed land.
Well Rookie I've been on every Hancock managed access land with an permit for access in WA. In fact, I even patrol some of these Hancock areas. But hey what do I know, I've only enforced trespass laws in WA for 3 decades.
You can call it whatever you want. You'd be charged with a crime of trespass if you didn't have the permit. If it makes you feel good to call it an access permit have at it, I'm done with this pointless conversation.
So we agree the Hancock is not a trespass fee... good. Glad we came to this agreement.
Since you are such an expert on the area and such.... why do YOU think WR is shut down right now??
Damn, full of piss and vinegar for a new guy! Nobody is calling you a trespasser, Its just called a trespass fee. Have a drink and settle down.
Post by: Rookie24 on July 09, 2020, 12:50:10 PM
You're own words are hurting you. The definition I provided said "usually" usually is not definitive, in fact Hancock sells day permits and annual permits.“Usually a per day...”I did GOOGLE it! The first thing that pops up is: "What is a trespass fee? At the simplest, a trespass fee is a charge to access property on which to hunt. It's usually a per day, per hunter (or gun) fee. Trespass fees are common in places like South Dakota where many hunters are there to freelance, or hunt on their own, without the assistance of an outfitter."GOOGLE the term for the definition.Well there's no legal definition of it in WA, so not sure how you looked up the "term." When you pay someone to access their land that would otherwise be off limits to you it's a trespass fee, it's been mentioned in just about every hunting magazine out there.Never heard that in my life... I'm not trespassing so :dunno:When you pay an individual/corporation to access their land it's a trespass fee.What exactly do you believe you paid for?Trespass fee?? What the hell are you talking about?? How would it effect their timber industry?? Good lord man...
I'm one hundred percent certain that your recreational access permit allows you to do certain specific recreational activities in exchange for a trespass fee. What you payed for is limited/restricted access to someone else's land when it doesn't adversely effect the timber business that land was originally acquired for.
Edit:
I looked up the term and it is not a "trespass fee" . Not that it matters what someone calls it I suppose. The Hancock permit doesn't fall into the definition however.
Riddle me this Big Tex.... Why is the term "trespass fee" NEVER been mentioned on any piece of the documentation packet Hancock provides when buying the permit??
Just because YOU don't like the term, doesn't mean that's not what it is. The vast majority of people know when they are paying to access timberlands it's a trespass fee. Timber companies can call it whatever they want, but it's a trespass fee.
Case... closed. Thanks for making my point.
And.... MANY buy the permit and dont hunt so.... there is that too boyo.
What is also odd that NO ONE calls it that except for a couple cats on a forum that more than likely have never stepped foot on Hancock managed land.
Well Rookie I've been on every Hancock managed access land with an permit for access in WA. In fact, I even patrol some of these Hancock areas. But hey what do I know, I've only enforced trespass laws in WA for 3 decades.
You can call it whatever you want. You'd be charged with a crime of trespass if you didn't have the permit. If it makes you feel good to call it an access permit have at it, I'm done with this pointless conversation.
So we agree the Hancock is not a trespass fee... good. Glad we came to this agreement.
Since you are such an expert on the area and such.... why do YOU think WR is shut down right now??
Damn, full of piss and vinegar for a new guy! Nobody is calling you a trespasser, Its just called a trespass fee. Have a drink and settle down.
Yeah... im RILED :chuckle:
Never said anyone was calling me a “trespasser”... LOL
Its not a trespass fee... just as simple as that sport.
Im a alcoholic so... not appropriate.
Post by: Buckhunter24 on July 09, 2020, 12:58:16 PM
Post by: Rookie24 on July 09, 2020, 01:07:37 PM
It is a trespass fee.
Nope... thanks for adding your thoughts though ace :tup:
Post by: Rainier10 on July 09, 2020, 01:11:08 PM
Post by: Buckhunter24 on July 09, 2020, 01:14:51 PM
Post by: Tbar on July 09, 2020, 01:30:55 PM
:hello: I'm just here to watch the train wreck.I won't walk, I'll run away!
Post by: Rookie24 on July 09, 2020, 01:36:36 PM
No argument from me on the subject, just a statement of fact.
May need to look up the word “fact” bud....
Post by: Buckhunter24 on July 09, 2020, 01:38:51 PM
Post by: Rainier10 on July 09, 2020, 01:41:12 PM
Post by: Rookie24 on July 09, 2020, 01:47:58 PM
I will just leave this here.
I will just leave this here...
A LOT of people buy the permit for non hunting purposes.
Hancock permits are not USUALLY one day permits
Good effort though slick...
Post by: Rookie24 on July 09, 2020, 01:49:33 PM
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Cant read it... is this you looking up the word fact or nah??
Post by: Rainier10 on July 09, 2020, 02:08:01 PM
No, this is what many people see on your posts. It shows that you(rookie24) made a post but Buckhunter24 can't actually see what you typed. Buckhunter24 and others have put you ignore so all they see is "You are ignoring this user. Show me the post..
Cant read it... is this you looking up the word fact or nah??
Certain people rub members the wrong way so we put the ignore feature in as an option to make the sight more enjoyable for those that don't want to see posts from certain members.
Post by: gutsnthegrass on July 09, 2020, 02:15:08 PM
No, this is what many people see on your posts. It shows that you(rookie24) made a post but Buckhunter24 can't actually see what you typed. Buckhunter24 and others have put you ignore so all they see is "You are ignoring this user. Show me the post..
Cant read it... is this you looking up the word fact or nah??
Certain people rub members the wrong way so we put the ignore feature in as an option to make the sight more enjoyable for those that don't want to see posts from certain members.
A very nice way of saying, quit being a *censored*.
Post by: Rookie24 on July 09, 2020, 02:18:26 PM
No, this is what many people see on your posts. It shows that you(rookie24) made a post but Buckhunter24 can't actually see what you typed. Buckhunter24 and others have put you ignore so all they see is "You are ignoring this user. Show me the post..
Cant read it... is this you looking up the word fact or nah??
Certain people rub members the wrong way so we put the ignore feature in as an option to make the sight more enjoyable for those that don't want to see posts from certain members.
So... to put it in simple terms.. you all cant handle being taken to the woodshed?? Got it.
You made the case for me though so... thanks. Preciate that kid..
Post by: Rookie24 on July 09, 2020, 02:21:37 PM
No, this is what many people see on your posts. It shows that you(rookie24) made a post but Buckhunter24 can't actually see what you typed. Buckhunter24 and others have put you ignore so all they see is "You are ignoring this user. Show me the post..
Cant read it... is this you looking up the word fact or nah??
Certain people rub members the wrong way so we put the ignore feature in as an option to make the sight more enjoyable for those that don't want to see posts from certain members.
A very nice way of saying, quit being a *censored*.
The word at the end was censored... I assume it said
“Quit being a guy thats always right”
Yeah?
Post by: Rainier10 on July 09, 2020, 02:47:23 PM
The censor only blocks one word at a time so the phrase you assumed was not correct. So there is one time you assumed wrong.No, this is what many people see on your posts. It shows that you(rookie24) made a post but Buckhunter24 can't actually see what you typed. Buckhunter24 and others have put you ignore so all they see is "You are ignoring this user. Show me the post..
Cant read it... is this you looking up the word fact or nah??
Certain people rub members the wrong way so we put the ignore feature in as an option to make the sight more enjoyable for those that don't want to see posts from certain members.
A very nice way of saying, quit being a *censored*.
The word at the end was censored... I assume it said
“Quit being a guy thats always right”
Yeah?
Post by: Rookie24 on July 09, 2020, 02:56:02 PM
The censor only blocks one word at a time so the phrase you assumed was not correct. So there is one time you assumed wrong.No, this is what many people see on your posts. It shows that you(rookie24) made a post but Buckhunter24 can't actually see what you typed. Buckhunter24 and others have put you ignore so all they see is "You are ignoring this user. Show me the post..
Cant read it... is this you looking up the word fact or nah??
Certain people rub members the wrong way so we put the ignore feature in as an option to make the sight more enjoyable for those that don't want to see posts from certain members.
A very nice way of saying, quit being a *censored*.
The word at the end was censored... I assume it said
“Quit being a guy thats always right”
Yeah?
My bad... not in the loop on all the rules of the message board... so...“stud” was the word then eh?? Thanks!!
Post by: Rainier10 on July 09, 2020, 03:02:59 PM
What is the point of this thread again?
Post by: Rookie24 on July 09, 2020, 03:10:00 PM
Nope, stud shows up just fine. I think it was *censored* , *censored* or maybe *censored* but we are way off track.
What is the point of this thread again?
LOL
The fact that the Mucks are hiding behind Covid to keep us off their land....
Post by: yorketransport on July 09, 2020, 03:20:35 PM
Post by: Rainier10 on July 09, 2020, 03:26:24 PM
Gotcha. It is at least keeping the door open to open it back off. Would you rather they say we bought it years ago and have let you use it this whole time and now we are closing it for good?Nope, stud shows up just fine. I think it was *censored* , *censored* or maybe *censored* but we are way off track.
What is the point of this thread again?
LOL
The fact that the Mucks are hiding behind Covid to keep us off their land....
Post by: Rookie24 on July 09, 2020, 03:43:45 PM
So you’re mad that a private entity is telling you what you can or cannot do on THEIR property, and when you can or cannot do it? Are you opposed to all private property rights, or just this particular entity’s right to restrict access to THEIR private land?
Can you tell me the circumstances behind my irritation?? Or are you just on a soap box??
Post by: Rookie24 on July 09, 2020, 03:46:24 PM
Gotcha. It is at least keeping the door open to open it back off. Would you rather they say we bought it years ago and have let you use it this whole time and now we are closing it for good?Nope, stud shows up just fine. I think it was *censored* , *censored* or maybe *censored* but we are way off track.
What is the point of this thread again?
LOL
The fact that the Mucks are hiding behind Covid to keep us off their land....
That would at least be an honest answer and akin to pulling the band aid off with one pull.
The fact that their casino is open and their fireworks stand market is open.... makes the closing of their tree farm seem a bit curious.. no??
Post by: Rainier10 on July 09, 2020, 03:51:26 PM
Maybe a bit but at the same time there is no need to have it open now, fire danger is high and they have a ton invested in that property. Risk versus reward. If it were mine there is no way that I would have acres of valuable timber open to the public July and August.Gotcha. It is at least keeping the door open to open it back off. Would you rather they say we bought it years ago and have let you use it this whole time and now we are closing it for good?Nope, stud shows up just fine. I think it was *censored* , *censored* or maybe *censored* but we are way off track.
What is the point of this thread again?
LOL
The fact that the Mucks are hiding behind Covid to keep us off their land....
That would at least be an honest answer and akin to pulling the band aid off with one pull.
The fact that their casino is open and their fireworks stand market is open.... makes the closing of their tree farm seem a bit curious.. no??
Post by: Woodchuck on July 09, 2020, 04:17:07 PM
Post by: Rookie24 on July 09, 2020, 04:32:29 PM
Maybe a bit but at the same time there is no need to have it open now, fire danger is high and they have a ton invested in that property. Risk versus reward. If it were mine there is no way that I would have acres of valuable timber open to the public July and August.Gotcha. It is at least keeping the door open to open it back off. Would you rather they say we bought it years ago and have let you use it this whole time and now we are closing it for good?Nope, stud shows up just fine. I think it was *censored* , *censored* or maybe *censored* but we are way off track.
What is the point of this thread again?
LOL
The fact that the Mucks are hiding behind Covid to keep us off their land....
That would at least be an honest answer and akin to pulling the band aid off with one pull.
The fact that their casino is open and their fireworks stand market is open.... makes the closing of their tree farm seem a bit curious.. no??
Fire danger is high?? No... its not. Not even elevated.
They have shut it down many times for fire danger and for good reason, no doubt, but this closure has no rational reason.
Post by: Rookie24 on July 09, 2020, 04:33:48 PM
Do you mean to tell me that land owners can decide when at what others do on their property as the land owner see's fit? Weird.
Dont sell the pass to access your land then...
Pipe down... east siders need not apply here.
Post by: Woodchuck on July 09, 2020, 04:46:46 PM
So, I want to make sure I have this right. On the west side of this state, if you pay a trespass fee, you are allowed total access to that land 24/7 no questions asked?Do you mean to tell me that land owners can decide when at what others do on their property as the land owner see's fit? Weird.
Dont sell the pass to access your land then...
Pipe down... east siders need not apply here.
You're right, that's not how it works over here. Apparently not over there either.
Post by: Rookie24 on July 09, 2020, 04:51:35 PM
So, I want to make sure I have this right. On the west side of this state, if you pay a trespass fee, you are allowed total access to that land 24/7 no questions asked?Do you mean to tell me that land owners can decide when at what others do on their property as the land owner see's fit? Weird.
Dont sell the pass to access your land then...
Pipe down... east siders need not apply here.
You're right, that's not how it works over here. Apparently not over there either.
Its not a trespass fee...
And... can you go ahead and fill me in on why they have closed their land?? When all the other Hancock managed lands are open... thanks in advance.
Post by: yorketransport on July 09, 2020, 04:56:28 PM
Gotcha. It is at least keeping the door open to open it back off. Would you rather they say we bought it years ago and have let you use it this whole time and now we are closing it for good?Nope, stud shows up just fine. I think it was *censored* , *censored* or maybe *censored* but we are way off track.
What is the point of this thread again?
LOL
The fact that the Mucks are hiding behind Covid to keep us off their land....
That would at least be an honest answer and akin to pulling the band aid off with one pull.
The fact that their casino is open and their fireworks stand market is open.... makes the closing of their tree farm seem a bit curious.. no??
The casino and fireworks stands are businesses, the land is an investment. There’s nothing curious about wanting their businesses to be open and generating revenue while their investment sits and grows.
You seem to have an issue with the Muckleshoot tribe more than the access to the tree farm. Care to elaborate on that?
Post by: Woodchuck on July 09, 2020, 05:03:18 PM
A trespass fee is when you pay to access someone else's land, as long as you stay within the rules of the owner. They made a rule that nobody is allowed on their land at this time. They can do that. :dunno:
Post by: Rainier10 on July 09, 2020, 05:24:28 PM
Maybe a bit but at the same time there is no need to have it open now, fire danger is high and they have a ton invested in that property. Risk versus reward. If it were mine there is no way that I would have acres of valuable timber open to the public July and August.Gotcha. It is at least keeping the door open to open it back off. Would you rather they say we bought it years ago and have let you use it this whole time and now we are closing it for good?Nope, stud shows up just fine. I think it was *censored* , *censored* or maybe *censored* but we are way off track.
What is the point of this thread again?
LOL
The fact that the Mucks are hiding behind Covid to keep us off their land....
That would at least be an honest answer and akin to pulling the band aid off with one pull.
The fact that their casino is open and their fireworks stand market is open.... makes the closing of their tree farm seem a bit curious.. no??
Fire danger is high?? No... its not. Not even elevated.
They have shut it down many times for fire danger and for good reason, no doubt, but this closure has no rational reason.
Moderator hat off, personal opinion of a large landowner to follow.
How much land do you own? Better yet how much money do you have wrapped up in that land? Pretty easy to say there is no risk when you have no skin in the game other than a couple hundred bucks in a pass.
I think I pay $35,000 in property tax a year every year just to own my own piece of heaven.
I have 2,000 acres that has been threatened by multiple forest fires. One of them started in June, “green grass everywhere” is why the kids were shooting off fireworks next to my place. “We had no idea we could start a forest fire in green brush.” Lightning strike in late July started one that burned hundreds of acres that I own and tens of thousands of national forest next to me.
Man up, drop some coin, buy a big piece of land and then let us know how comfortable you are allowing access in July.
Don’t keyboard jockey and say there is no risk. They have risk. You have invested in a pass which they are willing to refund your money on. Not to mention the fact they haven’t said the woods are going to be closed all year. They are just closed now.
Post by: Rookie24 on July 09, 2020, 05:25:05 PM
Gotcha. It is at least keeping the door open to open it back off. Would you rather they say we bought it years ago and have let you use it this whole time and now we are closing it for good?Nope, stud shows up just fine. I think it was *censored* , *censored* or maybe *censored* but we are way off track.
What is the point of this thread again?
LOL
The fact that the Mucks are hiding behind Covid to keep us off their land....
That would at least be an honest answer and akin to pulling the band aid off with one pull.
The fact that their casino is open and their fireworks stand market is open.... makes the closing of their tree farm seem a bit curious.. no??
The casino and fireworks stands are businesses, the land is an investment. There’s nothing curious about wanting their businesses to be open and generating revenue while their investment sits and grows.
You seem to have an issue with the Muckleshoot tribe more than the access to the tree farm. Care to elaborate on that?
Have no issue with them as, since they bought the land, the hunting has been light years better. Nice try on the straw man though... sure sign you are on empty.
Charging a fee for a permit isnt a business?? Hows that??
They charge a fee for the key to the gate just like they charge for fireworks or a steak dinner at the casino.
Post by: Rookie24 on July 09, 2020, 05:27:02 PM
Cuz it's theirs and they want to and can whenever they see fit?
A trespass fee is when you pay to access someone else's land, as long as you stay within the rules of the owner. They made a rule that nobody is allowed on their land at this time. They can do that. :dunno:
Oh they “can”?? Wow... didnt know that. Crazy intel... SMH
Wonder why they sold permits then??
Post by: Rookie24 on July 09, 2020, 05:31:53 PM
Maybe a bit but at the same time there is no need to have it open now, fire danger is high and they have a ton invested in that property. Risk versus reward. If it were mine there is no way that I would have acres of valuable timber open to the public July and August.Gotcha. It is at least keeping the door open to open it back off. Would you rather they say we bought it years ago and have let you use it this whole time and now we are closing it for good?Nope, stud shows up just fine. I think it was *censored* , *censored* or maybe *censored* but we are way off track.
What is the point of this thread again?
LOL
The fact that the Mucks are hiding behind Covid to keep us off their land....
That would at least be an honest answer and akin to pulling the band aid off with one pull.
The fact that their casino is open and their fireworks stand market is open.... makes the closing of their tree farm seem a bit curious.. no??
Fire danger is high?? No... its not. Not even elevated.
They have shut it down many times for fire danger and for good reason, no doubt, but this closure has no rational reason.
Moderator hat off, personal opinion of a large landowner to follow.
How much land do you own? Better yet how much money do you have wrapped up in that land? Pretty easy to say there is no risk when you have no skin in the game other than a couple hundred bucks in a pass.
I think I pay $35,000 in property tax a year every year just to own my own piece of heaven.
I have 2,000 acres that has been threatened by multiple forest fires. One of them started in June, “green grass everywhere” is why the kids were shooting off fireworks next to my place. “We had no idea we could start a forest fire in green brush.” Lightning strike in late July started one that burned hundreds of acres that I own and tens of thousands of national forest next to me.
Man up, drop some coin, buy a big piece of land and then let us know how comfortable you are allowing access in July.
Don’t keyboard jockey and say there is no risk. They have risk. You have invested in a pass which they are willing to refund your money on. Not to mention the fact they haven’t said the woods are going to be closed all year. They are just closed now.
There is no fire danger in western WA right now.... FACT
They have specifically said it was due to Corona... which is complete BS
I have never had an issue when they shut it down for fire danger... which happens every year for the most part.
DONT OFFER THE PERMIT THEN!!
Did you really say “man up”?? And then talk about the land you own?? Yikes...
Post by: Rainier10 on July 09, 2020, 05:38:58 PM
So the fact that they sold you a permit is your big issue? You didn’t buy a permit with the woods closed did you? Did you buy this in June thinking they would open the woods for you to frolic in July 1st?
Post by: Rainier10 on July 09, 2020, 05:43:32 PM
Post by: Rookie24 on July 09, 2020, 05:46:23 PM
Well your attitude is similar to a kid that was told he couldn’t do what he wants. So yes, grow up. People with more money than you bought the land let you have access to it for years and have it shut down right now.
So the fact that they sold you a permit is your big issue? You didn’t buy a permit with the woods closed did you? Did you buy this in June thinking they would open the woods for you to frolic in July 1st?
They sold me a permit before anyone even heard of Corona... just like every year before. If Corona wasnt a thing they wouldnt have a reason to shut it down.
I like how you...
1) Seem to think you have ANY clue about me and pretend to be some big swinging dick land owner....
2) Wont speak to the no fire danger fact you tried to bring up..
3) Ignore their stated reason for the closure...
Almost seems like you just want to align yourself with the Mucks like you both are in some exclusive land baron club....
Post by: Rookie24 on July 09, 2020, 05:49:18 PM
No fire danger? So I guess you are going to say there were no brush fires in the last two weeks anywhere in western Washington? Wait a minute, maybe those fires aren’t real fires. Is that it? Are you a fireman too? You seem to be an expert a on access passes, property rights and fire danger. I’m not sure why you started this thread. You seem to have it all figured out.
I am a fireman... and know the fire danger in Western WA is LOW
Debate that fact.. please.
Post by: Rainier10 on July 09, 2020, 05:56:24 PM
So firefighter how many fires in a no fire danger western Washington in the last two weeks?No fire danger? So I guess you are going to say there were no brush fires in the last two weeks anywhere in western Washington? Wait a minute, maybe those fires aren’t real fires. Is that it? Are you a fireman too? You seem to be an expert a on access passes, property rights and fire danger. I’m not sure why you started this thread. You seem to have it all figured out.
I am a fireman... and know the fire danger in Western WA is LOW
Debate that fact.. please.
I would be looking for a new job if you think there is no danger of a fire in the western Washington woods right now.
Post by: Rookie24 on July 09, 2020, 06:06:18 PM
So firefighter how many fires in a no fire danger western Washington in the last two weeks?No fire danger? So I guess you are going to say there were no brush fires in the last two weeks anywhere in western Washington? Wait a minute, maybe those fires aren’t real fires. Is that it? Are you a fireman too? You seem to be an expert a on access passes, property rights and fire danger. I’m not sure why you started this thread. You seem to have it all figured out.
I am a fireman... and know the fire danger in Western WA is LOW
Debate that fact.. please.
I would be looking for a new job if you think there is no danger of a fire in the western Washington woods right now.
You are a moderator here?? LMFAO
Who said “no fire danger”??
The fire danger in WW is LOW... debate that fact. Please.
Post by: yorketransport on July 09, 2020, 06:30:35 PM
Have no issue with them as, since they bought the land, the hunting has been light years better. Nice try on the straw man though... sure sign you are on empty.
Charging a fee for a permit isnt a business?? Hows that??
They charge a fee for the key to the gate just like they charge for fireworks or a steak dinner at the casino.
The tribe isn't in the business of selling access permits and I'd be surprised if they see any money from it. I believe you're buying an access permit from Hancock, which is just the land management company. I'll admit that I haven't had an access permit for any of the land managed by Hanckock so I could be wrong, but I have bought an access permit from WeyCo every year since they started charging for access.
This issue has been hashed out over and over again in regards to other access permits issued by timber companies. This is not about generating revenue for the timber company, the permits are sold as a courtesy to users and as a way of managing animal populations to help reduce damage to the trees caused by the animals. By the time you calculate the TRUE cost to issue each of the keys, repairs to roads damaged by increased vehicle traffic, damage to timber, vandalism, theft, security, enforcement, signage, and plenty of other costs, there is no significant profit margin in selling access permits.
I think the question we should all be asking you is why do YOU think they've shut down access to the area. We've established that you don't believe it's actually because of the virus, so what do you think is the real reason?
Post by: lewy on July 09, 2020, 06:31:48 PM
Post by: nwmein199 on July 10, 2020, 06:02:11 AM
It is really quite simple: get your money back and move on with your life.
Post by: trophyhunt on July 10, 2020, 06:36:56 AM
Rookie I feel your pain I’d like to be up scouting and messing around in the tree farm right now to but they own it and make the decisions. To be completely honest I’m surprised they sell us permits at all anymore, I understand there is some tax breaks for doing so but I can’t imagine it’s that much? They have slowly been closing portions of the tree farm and limiting the entry seasons for several years now, at some point it will all go away imoI think we will be locked out of that property in the future, the mucks have no reason to let us on their property. It's a damn shame they bought that, will be even worse when they buy the kapowsin side.
Post by: asl20bball on July 10, 2020, 08:01:43 AM
Post by: bigtex on July 10, 2020, 12:04:26 PM
:yeah:Rookie I feel your pain I’d like to be up scouting and messing around in the tree farm right now to but they own it and make the decisions. To be completely honest I’m surprised they sell us permits at all anymore, I understand there is some tax breaks for doing so but I can’t imagine it’s that much? They have slowly been closing portions of the tree farm and limiting the entry seasons for several years now, at some point it will all go away imoI think we will be locked out of that property in the future, the mucks have no reason to let us on their property. It's a damn shame they bought that, will be even worse when they buy the kapowsin side.
And even worse when they petition the BIA to make it part of the actual reservation.
Post by: trophyhunt on July 10, 2020, 12:07:15 PM
That too, I know place where they would most likely put the new hotel and casino, right along the river behind the fire station. They'd make a killing if they did and I'm sure it's on their radar.:yeah:Rookie I feel your pain I’d like to be up scouting and messing around in the tree farm right now to but they own it and make the decisions. To be completely honest I’m surprised they sell us permits at all anymore, I understand there is some tax breaks for doing so but I can’t imagine it’s that much? They have slowly been closing portions of the tree farm and limiting the entry seasons for several years now, at some point it will all go away imoI think we will be locked out of that property in the future, the mucks have no reason to let us on their property. It's a damn shame they bought that, will be even worse when they buy the kapowsin side.
And even worse when they petition the BIA to make it part of the actual reservation.
Post by: Rainier10 on July 10, 2020, 12:45:24 PM
The bad news is they would lose all the trespass fee money they were making off of the access passes. The good news is the land would be open to people so they could go to the hotel and casino just like the rest of the tribal land is now. A cherry on top is it would be close to the fire station so fire danger would never be an issue, firefighters would always be close by. :tup:That too, I know place where they would most likely put the new hotel and casino, right along the river behind the fire station. They'd make a killing if they did and I'm sure it's on their radar.:yeah:Rookie I feel your pain I’d like to be up scouting and messing around in the tree farm right now to but they own it and make the decisions. To be completely honest I’m surprised they sell us permits at all anymore, I understand there is some tax breaks for doing so but I can’t imagine it’s that much? They have slowly been closing portions of the tree farm and limiting the entry seasons for several years now, at some point it will all go away imoI think we will be locked out of that property in the future, the mucks have no reason to let us on their property. It's a damn shame they bought that, will be even worse when they buy the kapowsin side.
And even worse when they petition the BIA to make it part of the actual reservation.
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Post by: liljozie495 on July 31, 2020, 09:07:12 PM
Did any of you that bought the WR pass get your refund yet?
Got mine today as did the wife