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Title: Summer Salmon
Post by: allen on June 17, 2020, 03:04:04 PM
I sure miss fishing for summers.  I notice the count going over Bonneville is over two thousand a day, but I don't know how that compares to previous years.  Does anyone know how many they'd need before they'd give us a season?
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: Fishmaker57 on June 17, 2020, 03:26:40 PM
The issue that complicates this is the Snake River Summer / Falls. This stock hasn't done well in recent years, so authorizing a fishery impacts those returns. Once above the confluence of the Snake, Summers are typically above escapement and can sustain a sports fishery. Same with Sockeye.....
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: Blacklab on June 17, 2020, 07:03:28 PM
Columbia River is open until 07/31. Wdfw hotline 360-696-6211
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: Stein on June 17, 2020, 08:18:48 PM
I'm hoping for a good chinook and sockeye season at Brewster, we have relatives on the river and it would be a great change from getting pounded by wind waves and rain on the Sound.
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: huntnnw on June 17, 2020, 11:30:02 PM
hopefully summer run opens in the upper Columbia.
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: BigCutty3 on June 18, 2020, 07:50:07 AM
I thought the Colvillles highly touted Chief Joe Hatchery was supposed to be kicking in and producing fish for every year fisheries by now?
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: Fishmaker57 on June 18, 2020, 08:02:44 AM
Chief Joseph Hatchery has been producing Summer Chinook since 2014, their first release year, so returns began showing up in 2018. 60% of the fish harvested in the Brewster pool that year, were returns from Chief Jo. Again, the issue with allowing a lower river fishery is the weak Snake River returns, not upper Columbia Summers. Above Priest Rapids Dam, you have 4 major hatcheries producing Summer Chinook; Eastbank, Entiat, Wells, and Chief Jo, all "for harvest" programs - 100% AD clipped.
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: Caseyd on June 18, 2020, 09:15:01 AM
I'm hoping for a good chinook and sockeye season at Brewster, we have relatives on the river and it would be a great change from getting pounded by wind waves and rain on the Sound.

Looking like it could be one   :IBCOOL:
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: dilleytech on June 18, 2020, 07:32:14 PM
Summer counts are currently trending with the 10 year average which gives e me hope of some seasons opening.
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: hunthard on June 18, 2020, 09:32:01 PM

I'm hoping for a good chinook and sockeye season at Brewster, we have relatives on the river and it would be a great change from getting pounded by wind waves and rain on the Sound.
    That makes two of us :chuckle:
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on June 18, 2020, 09:44:13 PM
Chief Joseph Hatchery has been producing Summer Chinook since 2014, their first release year, so returns began showing up in 2018. 60% of the fish harvested in the Brewster pool that year, were returns from Chief Jo. Again, the issue with allowing a lower river fishery is the weak Snake River returns, not upper Columbia Summers. Above Priest Rapids Dam, you have 4 major hatcheries producing Summer Chinook; Eastbank, Entiat, Wells, and Chief Jo, all "for harvest" programs - 100% AD clipped.

Thanks for the info! Great stuff for sure! :tup:
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: dilleytech on June 20, 2020, 08:40:40 AM
They just opened back up my local summer chinook spot. But usually gets better in July. A big summer is my favorite Columbia salmon. Tied in quality to a springer but averaging much larger 😁
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: huntnnw on June 20, 2020, 10:58:31 AM
On Columbia? Just came out yesterday that all the way to wells dam projected opener mid July and Brewster mid August. Complete joke! 11,000 more fish this year over bonneville as this time last year. Can’t fix stupid
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: dilleytech on June 20, 2020, 07:37:09 PM
On Columbia? Just came out yesterday that all the way to wells dam projected opener mid July and Brewster mid August. Complete joke! 11,000 more fish this year over bonneville as this time last year. Can’t fix stupid

A Columbia trib, I don’t fish the mainstream for summers.
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: shadowless_nite on June 20, 2020, 07:53:51 PM
Plenty of sockeye are hitting the bank on the lower columbia this year. Typically we are hoping for a summer chinook or steelhead but so far most of the fish being caught from the bank have been sockeye with only  incidental chinook and steelhead.  It really sucks that they haven't given us a summer chinook season for 2 years now. All the sockeye we've landed have been caught off the bank plunkkng.
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: Benny on June 20, 2020, 08:16:07 PM
It’s all around frustrating. Wells Chelan and Entiat will be slammed with a late opener coupled with Astoria not opening up till mid August. Every year more and more boats get shoved into smaller and smaller areas. I need to start bass fishing  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: Fishmaker57 on June 22, 2020, 08:14:27 AM
On Columbia? Just came out yesterday that all the way to wells dam projected opener mid July and Brewster mid August. Complete joke! 11,000 more fish this year over bonneville as this time last year. Can’t fix stupid

Where did you find this information? I looked on the WDFW website, under emergency rule changes, and didn't find anything......
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: Dhoey07 on June 22, 2020, 08:37:31 AM
I keep waiting for a reason to license my boat and trailer.....it's been since 2016 now  :bash: :bash: :bash:
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: dilleytech on June 22, 2020, 03:23:36 PM
On Columbia? Just came out yesterday that all the way to wells dam projected opener mid July and Brewster mid August. Complete joke! 11,000 more fish this year over bonneville as this time last year. Can’t fix stupid

Where did you find this information? I looked on the WDFW website, under emergency rule changes, and didn't find anything......


It came out in May. https://fortress.wa.gov/dfw/erules/efishrules/erule.jsp?id=2511


Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: Fishmaker57 on June 22, 2020, 03:53:20 PM
Doesn't pertain to fisheries above Priest Rapids Dam, and is largely based on pre-season forecasts, which we all know is so accurate!
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: dilleytech on June 23, 2020, 07:08:28 AM
I keep waiting for a reason to license my boat and trailer.....it's been since 2016 now  :bash: :bash: :bash:

You can’t find a single Reason to license your boat in Washington? Sounds like you should consider selling your boat.
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: Dhoey07 on June 23, 2020, 07:11:35 AM
I keep waiting for a reason to license my boat and trailer.....it's been since 2016 now  :bash: :bash: :bash:

You can’t find a single Reason to license your boat in Washington? Sounds like you should consider selling your boat.

I have a 12' aluminum that I take for lake fishing.  My bigger boat I use on the Snake and Columbia hasn't been licensed since 2016.  Steelhead on the Snake has been down for years and a two sockeye limit in Brewster isn't worth the trip. 

But yes, I am going to sell my boat.
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: cavemann on June 23, 2020, 09:24:47 AM
I keep waiting for a reason to license my boat and trailer.....it's been since 2016 now  :bash: :bash: :bash:

You can’t find a single Reason to license your boat in Washington? Sounds like you should consider selling your boat.

I have a 12' aluminum that I take for lake fishing.  My bigger boat I use on the Snake and Columbia hasn't been licensed since 2016.  Steelhead on the Snake has been down for years and a two sockeye limit in Brewster isn't worth the trip. 

But yes, I am going to sell my boat.

details?  pics?  price? LOL..  might find some takers on here
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: huntnnw on June 23, 2020, 10:04:42 PM
right now July 1 sockeye will open in upper columbia. Next week more will come out regarding the summer run
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: Fishmaker57 on June 24, 2020, 07:34:26 AM
Where did you find this information? Nothing on WDFW's website.....
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: huntnnw on June 25, 2020, 05:49:54 AM
Guides I know and i trust what they have said. They are booking July 1 sockeye trips.

Wdfw can give a straight answer on the delay of the summer run opener. Several of us have written them and get different reasons.. cause its all BS
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: bear on June 25, 2020, 06:32:52 AM
I have property below Wells and fish that every year if it’s open.  Keep watching the counts and waiting for them to say it’s gonna open July 1.  Then yesterday get the email that they’re closing the lower river early for sockeye. Not sure what to expect now.  It’s 2020, anything could happen.  :bash:
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: huntnnw on June 25, 2020, 06:39:27 AM
lower closed due to protected  runs that are bound to ID.
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: bear on June 25, 2020, 07:22:57 AM
 I didn’t think about that snake River run  :tup:
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: Fishmaker57 on June 25, 2020, 09:55:20 AM
Finally managed to track down the regs allowing for a 2 fish Sockeye season above Priest rapids Dam. It is in the 2021 regs, that haven't been published yet. It was also part of the North of Falcon process. As for Summer Chinook, we are at the 50% historical return date, for Bonneville passage. Since this is above the total pre-season forecast, hopefully we will see some sort of season in the upper Columbia, but probably not before the 15th.
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: Fishmaker57 on June 25, 2020, 01:30:32 PM
Hot off the press.....

http://www.eregulations.com/washington/fishing/

Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: bear on June 26, 2020, 05:44:20 AM
2 little sockeye. Might be hard to get out of bed for that.  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: huntnnw on June 26, 2020, 07:43:34 AM
I won’t be making a trip for those . Waiting on chinook opener
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: C-Money on June 28, 2020, 01:09:18 PM
Says salmon season doesn't open till July 16 on the pool. I made plans to fish Friday the 3rd. Guess I better make other plans or is there verification sockeye opens on the 1st of July in the Brewster Pool? What a crock of crap this has to be so confusing.
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: huntnnw on June 28, 2020, 01:36:28 PM
July 1 sockeye is what I’ve heard. Mid July up to wells for chinook and mid August for Brewster chinook, todays count has now exceeded the total summer run last year with 34 days left of counting ! :dunno:
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: bear on June 28, 2020, 04:20:18 PM
Says salmon season doesn't open till July 16 on the pool. I made plans to fish Friday the 3rd. Guess I better make other plans or is there verification sockeye opens on the 1st of July in the Brewster Pool? What a crock of crap this has to be so confusing.
July 1 below Wells. July 16 at Brewster
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: C-Money on June 29, 2020, 05:43:23 AM
Says salmon season doesn't open till July 16 on the pool. I made plans to fish Friday the 3rd. Guess I better make other plans or is there verification sockeye opens on the 1st of July in the Brewster Pool? What a crock of crap this has to be so confusing.
July 1 below Wells. July 16 at Brewster

Okay...Got it! Thanks for the help!

It sure appears to be setting up to be a great season fish wise, hope WDFW opens it up!!
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: huntnnw on June 30, 2020, 04:53:28 PM
Anyone headed to fish below dams know that they are cranking right now. Be safe
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: Fishmaker57 on June 30, 2020, 05:17:14 PM
Yes, anyone headed below Wells, on the east ladder, just be aware there are 4’ rollers to deal with just trying to get there. Once there, the “calm” backeddy is super small, so more than about 6 boats will get ugly. The west side is not fishable at all.
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: huntnnw on June 30, 2020, 05:49:39 PM
I’ve been there in that eddy and wouldn’t fish it with a 20’ boat . We leave when they crank it up
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: bear on July 01, 2020, 07:17:45 AM
Ya. My 16’ flat bottom sled don’t like waves.  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: Fishmaker57 on July 01, 2020, 07:54:06 AM
A few adventurous soles hit it this morning; none stayed very long! The water is even down a bit this morning, and it is still a washing machine...….
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: huntnnw on July 01, 2020, 03:43:41 PM
Summer chinook opens July 4th
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: allen on July 01, 2020, 07:17:18 PM
Good news.  Thanks to all who contributed to this posting.
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: Duckhunter14 on July 01, 2020, 09:12:25 PM
Summer chinook opens July 4th

Below Wells Dam you can now keep 2 hatchery Kings in addition to 2 sockeye.
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: huntnnw on July 01, 2020, 09:21:29 PM
everywhere that its open you can keep 2 of each. Brewster pool is open too
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: huntnnw on July 01, 2020, 09:23:45 PM
water output at wells is more than double than normal right now. I dunno how much fishing will get done from wells down. Chelan falls has to be ripping too. guessing most will be at brewster
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: Benny on July 01, 2020, 09:48:25 PM
I thought from Wells up was the 16th?
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: Benny on July 01, 2020, 09:52:19 PM
Never mind...173 up. Read Ben read😁
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: huntnnw on July 01, 2020, 09:52:53 PM
Just wells to bridge at Brewster . Pool is open

Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: jstone on July 05, 2020, 08:58:02 PM
Lots of people fishing the Tacoma area yesterday
Reports?
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: huntnnw on July 05, 2020, 10:43:57 PM
Fished Saturday in Brewster in the morning lost 1 at the net. Then went below wells and anchored off a point and landed a nice wild one. Hoping this water flow slows down this week!
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: Crunchy on July 05, 2020, 10:58:25 PM
Lots of people fishing the Tacoma area yesterday
Reports?

Few nice fish being caught, but still a little slow.  I managed a 12-13lb fish on Friday.  Today I got blanked.
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: bear on July 06, 2020, 06:04:13 AM
Heading to camp and fish hopefully below Wells this week if the water flow settles down. I don’t wanna have to trailer my boat to Brewster daily and wait in a long line to launch
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: huntnnw on July 06, 2020, 06:31:40 AM
brewster was terribly slow, almost every boat had left by 11 am saturday
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: trophyhunt on July 06, 2020, 06:32:34 AM
Fished Saturday in Brewster in the morning lost 1 at the net. Then went below wells and anchored off a point and landed a nice wild one. Hoping this water flow slows down this week!
I've heard of brewster pool but never fished it, is it crazy crowded? I take it you have to let natives go? 
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: huntnnw on July 06, 2020, 06:37:47 AM
I guess its crowded for some and others its not, for me I have fished far more crowded places than brewster. All wilds released
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: C-Money on July 06, 2020, 11:29:33 AM
We fished the Pool last night till dark. No hits. Water was swift for the Pool, and is very mud stained out off the Okanogan. I bet fish are not even slowing down and are blasting north to Canada. It was extremely nice just being out fishing on the pool, very enjoyable.
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: dilleytech on July 07, 2020, 06:54:09 AM
brewster was terribly slow, almost every boat had left by 11 am saturday

With limits of sockeye?  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: funkster on July 07, 2020, 08:03:41 AM
Fished Saturday in Brewster in the morning lost 1 at the net. Then went below wells and anchored off a point and landed a nice wild one. Hoping this water flow slows down this week!
I've heard of brewster pool but never fished it, is it crazy crowded? I take it you have to let natives go? 

When I think of crowed, I think of blue creek, mineral trout opener back in the day and lake washington sockeye. The pool will have it’s fair share of boats but I wouldn’t call it crowed. I’ve never gotten tangled with another angler. Good weather and usually good fishing! We make it over a few times a year camping, fishing in the morning and wake surfing in the evening, doesn’t get much better! We’ve had good success with Leo flashers and brads spin baits.
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: Blacklab on July 07, 2020, 01:17:55 PM
Just got back fished below I5. Nice day all the way around. A few boats on the hook but no take downs. The pluckers on the bank said it was pretty hot yesterday. I wasn’t there yesterday 😂😂😂.
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: bear on July 08, 2020, 05:51:26 AM
Fished Saturday in Brewster in the morning lost 1 at the net. Then went below wells and anchored off a point and landed a nice wild one. Hoping this water flow slows down this week!
I've heard of brewster pool but never fished it, is it crazy crowded? I take it you have to let natives go? 

When I think of crowed, I think of blue creek, mineral trout opener back in the day and lake washington sockeye. The pool will have it’s fair share of boats but I wouldn’t call it crowed. I’ve never gotten tangled with another angler. Good weather and usually good fishing! We make it over a few times a year camping, fishing in the morning and wake surfing in the evening, doesn’t get much better! We’ve had good success with Leo flashers and brads spin baits.

Seen a few hundred boats there at times.  Be prepared to grab poles out of pole holders so they don’t hit the boat next to you.  It gets that crowded
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: Ironhead on July 08, 2020, 07:59:34 AM
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Fished Saturday in Brewster in the morning lost 1 at the net. Then went below wells and anchored off a point and landed a nice wild one. Hoping this water flow slows down this week!
I've heard of brewster pool but never fished it, is it crazy crowded? I take it you have to let natives go? 

When I think of crowed, I think of blue creek, mineral trout opener back in the day and lake washington sockeye. The pool will have it’s fair share of boats but I wouldn’t call it crowed. I’ve never gotten tangled with another angler. Good weather and usually good fishing! We make it over a few times a year camping, fishing in the morning and wake surfing in the evening, doesn’t get much better! We’ve had good success with Leo flashers and brads spin baits.

Seen a few hundred boats there at times.  Be prepared to grab poles out of pole holders so they don’t hit the boat next to you.  It gets that crowded
I have been at the launch at 2:00 am already a line, launched the boat and found a parking spot by the time I got back to the boat it was 4:30 am its that crowded when there is a 6 fish limit.
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: Stein on July 08, 2020, 08:19:00 AM
Whoa, 2.5 hours to launch is pretty serious, I've been at the most popular fisheries in the state and haven't seen anything like that.  It seems a guy could launch and run the river up or down and get there faster.
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: bear on July 08, 2020, 12:39:26 PM
Whoa, 2.5 hours to launch is pretty serious, I've been at the most popular fisheries in the state and haven't seen anything like that.  It seems a guy could launch and run the river up or down and get there faster.
  For sure if you have a big enough boat.  Probably not in a 12’ lake boat
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: huntnnw on July 08, 2020, 02:49:26 PM
Screw that. I’d just show up at 4:30. I’ve launched at Pateros and ran up there in 10-12 min and not a single guy there
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: Blacklab on July 08, 2020, 07:58:47 PM
Well they extended it till the 15th😉🥃🇺🇸
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: allen on July 15, 2020, 08:28:08 PM
Lower river closes today.  Finally got one, 11 lbs
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: huntnnw on July 15, 2020, 09:34:27 PM
between my brothers boat and ours we hooked 27 chinook friday and saturday on upper columbia.. plus all our sockeye
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: WSU on July 16, 2020, 01:04:59 PM
between my brothers boat and ours we hooked 27 chinook friday and saturday on upper columbia.. plus all our sockeye

I need to go do that one of these summers.  July is a bit of a dead time for me here on the west side.
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: hunthard on July 17, 2020, 06:41:10 PM
Anybody fishing the brewster pool? looking to go down in two weeks.
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: Caseyd on July 17, 2020, 06:54:57 PM
Still cold. Getting close to stacking
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: cbond3318 on July 17, 2020, 07:12:27 PM
Anybody fishing the brewster pool? looking to go down in two weeks.


There is fish to be caught, boats are starting to pile in. King’s have been good below the dam at Bridgeport.
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: 270Shooter on July 22, 2020, 08:03:05 PM
Recent Brewster update?
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: huntnnw on July 22, 2020, 09:24:09 PM
lots of sockeye caught this week
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: DIron on July 29, 2020, 10:06:27 AM
Chief Joseph Hatchery has been producing Summer Chinook since 2014, their first release year, so returns began showing up in 2018. 60% of the fish harvested in the Brewster pool that year, were returns from Chief Jo. Again, the issue with allowing a lower river fishery is the weak Snake River returns, not upper Columbia Summers. Above Priest Rapids Dam, you have 4 major hatcheries producing Summer Chinook; Eastbank, Entiat, Wells, and Chief Jo, all "for harvest" programs - 100% AD clipped.
Reading all of the input about upstream Salmon (likely Steelhead as well) return #'s makes me think that we need to adopted some of the practices that Cali is having such great success with. I.E. One such program holds the smolts in the upstream water for a bit then trucks them downstream to open water where they can better survive. This allows for the smolts to avoid predation (think pike minnows, Cormorants, and of course crossing dams) which has increased returns by over 40%. Yes, over 40% increase in returns with no increase in the #'s of smolts introduced into the system. Seems like we should at least try.
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: Stein on July 29, 2020, 10:10:48 AM
It would be nice to see the department try a few things.  It seems like we are kind of stuck in the "can't do this, can't do that" loop.

That said, I'm sure someone could figure out a reason to sue even that idea, the artificially huge flocks of birds need to eat too.

It would be nice to have a better understanding of a very complex problem.  What percentage of the problem (low salmon numbers) is due to river conditions (including predators) and what percentage is due to ocean conditions (temp, feed, etc).  It's impossible to calculate specifically, but where are the choke points that matter and which ones are the lower hanging fruit?
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: deerlick on July 29, 2020, 01:18:30 PM
Chief Joseph Hatchery has been producing Summer Chinook since 2014, their first release year, so returns began showing up in 2018. 60% of the fish harvested in the Brewster pool that year, were returns from Chief Jo. Again, the issue with allowing a lower river fishery is the weak Snake River returns, not upper Columbia Summers. Above Priest Rapids Dam, you have 4 major hatcheries producing Summer Chinook; Eastbank, Entiat, Wells, and Chief Jo, all "for harvest" programs - 100% AD clipped.
Reading all of the input about upstream Salmon (likely Steelhead as well) return #'s makes me think that we need to adopted some of the practices that Cali is having such great success with. I.E. One such program holds the smolts in the upstream water for a bit then trucks them downstream to open water where they can better survive. This allows for the smolts to avoid predation (think pike minnows, Cormorants, and of course crossing dams) which has increased returns by over 40%. Yes, over 40% increase in returns with no increase in the #'s of smolts introduced into the system. Seems like we should at least try.

some smolts have been  barged down the Columbia for years now, they are already doing this.
Title: Re: Summer Salmon
Post by: WSU on July 29, 2020, 02:32:42 PM
It's been done and the survival rate tracked.  If I recall correctly, it was not as good as is currently being achieved by increasing spill during the smolts' migration.
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