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Title: What species am I ?
Post by: NOCK NOCK on June 23, 2020, 06:31:17 PM
I am fairly certain I know, but curious to see what ya'll think.   Same deer in both pics.
Title: Re: What species am I ?
Post by: Timberstalker on June 23, 2020, 06:32:40 PM
Benchy
Title: Re: What species am I ?
Post by: Mfowl on June 23, 2020, 06:38:47 PM
Yearling mulie.
Title: Re: What species am I ?
Post by: jrebel on June 23, 2020, 06:41:04 PM
Blacky and Mulie Mix.  Short legs, short nose, fat body.....more blacktail traits than mule deer IMO. 
Title: Re: What species am I ?
Post by: Bigshooter on June 23, 2020, 07:47:13 PM
Tule elk?  :dunno: :dunno: :dunno:
Title: Re: What species am I ?
Post by: crabcreekhunter on June 23, 2020, 07:54:33 PM
Been seeing more and more of those in the Chelan Mountains, not good for the genetics!  Seen some huge bucks, until you realize the size of head and width of the ears is 16"-17".  Don't ask me how I know lol
Title: Re: What species am I ?
Post by: jrebel on June 23, 2020, 07:57:38 PM
Been seeing more and more of those in the Chelan Mountains, not good for the genetics!  Seen some huge bucks, until you realize the size of head and width of the ears is 16"-17".  Don't ask me how I know lol

There's more to this story......Pics or it didn't happen!!   :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: What species am I ?
Post by: grundy53 on June 23, 2020, 08:02:27 PM
Bench leg

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Title: Re: What species am I ?
Post by: High Climber on June 23, 2020, 08:28:49 PM
Mostly Mulie. Yearling
Title: Re: What species am I ?
Post by: OutHouse on June 24, 2020, 09:02:37 AM
To me, it looks like a straight up BT, but I'm no expert. I ran into a similar looking deer in 218 unit and when compared to the other does around her, it looked like her ears were smaller than the mules and the tale was just like this one.
Title: Re: What species am I ?
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on June 24, 2020, 09:09:19 AM
Odocoileus hemionus, showing phenotypic traits intermediate between O.h.hemionus and O.h.columbianus
 :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: What species am I ?
Post by: NOCK NOCK on June 24, 2020, 09:20:52 AM
Ok OK DL.... :chuckle:

This is in an area that should be Muleys only,  but I agree, there are a lot of blacktail traits in this deer.
Title: Re: What species am I ?
Post by: actionshooter on June 24, 2020, 09:32:18 AM
Odocoileus hemionus, showing phenotypic traits intermediate between O.h.hemionus and O.h.columbianus
 :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:

YA,  What he said...  :chuckle:
Title: Re: What species am I ?
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on June 24, 2020, 09:41:12 AM
Ok OK DL.... :chuckle:

This is in an area that should be Muleys only,  but I agree, there are a lot of blacktail traits in this deer.
I killed one in Hay Canyon during late archery about 15 years ago that was by all appearances a "pure" blacktail doe - pointy face, small ears, very brown coat and a pure black tail the size and shape of my hand.
Title: Re: What species am I ?
Post by: Reidus on June 24, 2020, 09:53:50 AM
Did it smell like a blacktail?
Title: Re: What species am I ?
Post by: link on June 24, 2020, 04:45:31 PM
That right there is a Burnworth blacktail.
Title: Re: What species am I ?
Post by: blindluck on June 24, 2020, 04:59:28 PM
I’ve been seeing the same tails nowhere near bt country
Title: Re: What species am I ?
Post by: Bill W on June 24, 2020, 05:20:19 PM
would like more details on this especially if it was around Wenatchee.  I thought I shot a cross on the high hunt 30+ years ago around Lake Wenatchee.
Title: Re: What species am I ?
Post by: xX Let ER Rip Xx on June 24, 2020, 05:23:43 PM
BENCHLEG ALL DAY
Title: Re: What species am I ?
Post by: NOCK NOCK on June 24, 2020, 07:38:48 PM
Interesting deer for sure. I have seen lots of different variations in mule deer tails, but this one is way closer to a blacktail tail than I have ever seen before in muley country. I will keep a closer eye on the upcoming cam checks throughout the season to see if I can find any more that are similar.
Title: Re: What species am I ?
Post by: mountainman on June 24, 2020, 08:41:06 PM
Benchleg. See them all the time in chelan and okanogan counties
Title: Re: What species am I ?
Post by: hunterofelk on June 25, 2020, 06:11:41 AM
Black-tailed deer-Wikipedia

Taxonomy

Though the black-tailed deer arguably is a species, virtually all recent authorities maintain it as a subspecies of the mule deer (O. hemionus).[1][2][3][4][5][6][7] Strictly speaking, the black-tailed deer group consists of two subspecies, as it also includes O. h. sitkensis (the Sitka deer).[2] The black-tailed deer group and the mule deer group (sensu stricto) hybridize, and mule deer appear to have evolved from the black-tailed deer group.[6] Despite this, the mtDNA of the white-tailed deer and mule deer are similar, but differ from that of the black-tailed deer.[6] This may be the result of introgression, although hybrids between the mule deer and white-tailed deer are rare in the wild (apparently more common locally in West Texas), and the hybrid survival rate is low even in captivity.[4][6]
Title: Re: What species am I ?
Post by: Bigshooter on June 28, 2020, 05:19:14 AM
I've been in Idaho more than once and was told there were to many blacktails in the area.  I'm a firm believer that dumb people have dumb thoughts. 
Title: Re: What species am I ?
Post by: slim9300 on June 29, 2020, 02:15:54 PM
Mule deer? 🤷🏼‍♂️


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Title: Re: What species am I ?
Post by: nwwanderer on June 29, 2020, 03:24:02 PM
Whitetail are the basis for all three species, been around for millions of years, blacktail are a long separated species with a whitetail base that again crossed with whitetail to produce mule deer, the new kid on the block.  You can expect blends with such a diverse base.  Not really unusual to find whitetail with fangs and weird facial stripes generally lost millions of years ago.  Some curve balls exist in the DNA studies to make all of this a bit murky but generally this is what the gene studies show.
Title: Re: What species am I ?
Post by: 7mmfan on June 29, 2020, 04:01:35 PM
What I don't get is why there is still controversy over the fact that anywhere within about 25 miles of the crest, on either side, you can find Mule Deer, Blacktail, and crosses of the two.
Title: Re: What species am I ?
Post by: Tenkara on June 29, 2020, 05:08:31 PM
That right there is a Burnworth blacktail.
:yeah: lol
Title: Re: What species am I ?
Post by: link on June 29, 2020, 06:44:23 PM
That right there is a Burnworth blacktail.
:yeah: lol

I believe its being considered a new species of deer. Its home range is within a 2 hour driving radius of Portland, OR, any direction. This varies depending on the speed limit and which route you take. All bucks are Boone and Crockett, Pope and Young or SCI record book caliber. Unfortunately, its not found on public ground, only private. You can tell you've harvested one of these rare beasts if it smells like ferns, cedar boughs and bull feces.
Title: Re: What species am I ?
Post by: Bango skank on June 29, 2020, 08:12:39 PM
I've been in Idaho more than once and was told there were to many blacktails in the area.  I'm a firm believer that dumb people have dumb thoughts.

An old man that lives in 121 and has a lot of killer property insists that the mule deer on his property are not mule deer, theyre blacktail.  He says the state transplanted blacktail there back before he was born.  His dad told him that, therefore its true  :chuckle:
Title: Re: What species am I ?
Post by: NOCK NOCK on June 30, 2020, 06:27:06 AM
I've been in Idaho more than once and was told there were to many blacktails in the area.  I'm a firm believer that dumb people have dumb thoughts.

An old man that lives in 121 and has a lot of killer property insists that the mule deer on his property are not mule deer, theyre blacktail.  He says the state transplanted blacktail there back before he was born.  His dad told him that, therefore its true  :chuckle:



LOL, My FIL used to talk about how the deer around were he lived (Columbian Whitetail) had tails that were 3' long.  :chuckle:
Title: Re: What species am I ?
Post by: AL WORRELLS KID on July 11, 2020, 06:34:08 PM
Some Strange Critters are headed North into Washington, must be Global Swarming.  :rolleyes:
Doug
Title: Re: What species am I ?
Post by: Ridgerunner on July 11, 2020, 08:27:42 PM
Benchleg no doubt.  90% of the deer I see in yakima county are like this.  Seen a few in Chelan county over the years too.


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Title: Re: What species am I ?
Post by: D Coates on July 20, 2020, 11:50:36 AM
Pork?
Title: Re: What species am I ?
Post by: AROTTY on July 20, 2020, 08:04:32 PM
IDK I think its more muley than benchleg. Most of the benchlegs have a true blacktail like tail.
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