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Title: Floorless Shelter ground tarp?
Post by: baker5150 on June 24, 2020, 09:44:20 AM
Looking for input on a ground tarp or covering for my floorless shelter.

I'm running a Seek Silvertip, and have been using Tyvek as a ground sheet.
I have yet to purchase a nest, and probably won't due to the weight.
I'm looking for other ideas besides the loud Tyvek. Just big enough to keep my sleep system from ground contact.

I like the idea of a bathtub design.  Luxe has a cheap one that weighs 10.5 oz. 
https://luxe-hiking-gear.com/collections/lightweight-camping-tents/products/rect-bf-bathtub-rectangles-for-floorless-tents

SEEK also has their version of Tyvek, which is slightly less weight at 8.1 oz.  But doesn't carry the small sidewalls (not sure why this intrigues me so much)
https://seekoutside.com/fearlessly-floorless-ground-sheet-house-wrap/

What are you guys using? Anyone run a tub type covering?  I see it being handy when it's raining hard and I can't find a spot with good drainage.
Title: Re: Floorless Shelter ground tarp?
Post by: vandeman17 on June 24, 2020, 09:51:22 AM
I have a luxe and nest. The nest is 7 oz more than the ground sheet so I think its worth it for the full enclosure to keep bugs out
Title: Re: Floorless Shelter ground tarp?
Post by: baker5150 on June 24, 2020, 10:06:02 AM
I have a luxe and nest. The nest is 7 oz more than the ground sheet so I think its worth it for the full enclosure to keep bugs out

The Silvertip full nest (no half nest option) is 35 oz.  Thats heavy, and can't be sued with my stove (so they say).

I've looked at the Luxe half nests and I'm waiting to hear back from them on some more specific measurements to see if they'll fit my Silvertip.  Looks like they will.
They are much lighter and cheaper, I just wish they weren't made over seas.
Title: Re: Floorless Shelter ground tarp?
Post by: vandeman17 on June 24, 2020, 10:10:39 AM
I have a luxe and nest. The nest is 7 oz more than the ground sheet so I think its worth it for the full enclosure to keep bugs out

The Silvertip full nest (no half nest option) is 35 oz.  Thats heavy, and can't be sued with my stove (so they say).

I've looked at the Luxe half nests and I'm waiting to hear back from them on some more specific measurements to see if they'll fit my Silvertip.  Looks like they will.
They are much lighter and cheaper, I just wish they weren't made over seas.

So far I like mine and from what I can tell, it should work in the silvertip
Title: Re: Floorless Shelter ground tarp?
Post by: baker5150 on June 24, 2020, 10:20:46 AM
I have a luxe and nest. The nest is 7 oz more than the ground sheet so I think its worth it for the full enclosure to keep bugs out

The Silvertip full nest (no half nest option) is 35 oz.  Thats heavy, and can't be sued with my stove (so they say).

I've looked at the Luxe half nests and I'm waiting to hear back from them on some more specific measurements to see if they'll fit my Silvertip.  Looks like they will.
They are much lighter and cheaper, I just wish they weren't made over seas.

So far I like mine and from what I can tell, it should work in the silvertip

Which nest are you running?
Looks like the Pyramid will work and maybe the half hex.
Title: Re: Floorless Shelter ground tarp?
Post by: vandeman17 on June 24, 2020, 10:26:33 AM
I have this one and run it with the XL hexpeak

https://luxe-hiking-gear.com/collections/lightweight-camping-tents/products/1-person-minipeak-pyramid-inner-tent
Title: Re: Floorless Shelter ground tarp?
Post by: baker5150 on June 24, 2020, 10:40:01 AM
I have this one and run it with the XL hexpeak

https://luxe-hiking-gear.com/collections/lightweight-camping-tents/products/1-person-minipeak-pyramid-inner-tent

Thanks



Title: Re: Floorless Shelter ground tarp?
Post by: Hillbilly Zen on June 24, 2020, 11:47:18 AM
Try running your tyvek through the washing machine and air dry. 
Title: Re: Floorless Shelter ground tarp?
Post by: ridgefire on June 24, 2020, 12:09:34 PM
Go with a lightweight bivy like a TI Goat omni bivy so you do not even have to set up the tent if the weather is nice and it works great at keeping your bag and pillow clean.
Title: Re: Floorless Shelter ground tarp?
Post by: dilleytech on June 25, 2020, 06:38:40 AM
I use those light Weight emergency blankets. They are about 8x10 green on one side and silver on the other. Weighs about 8oz. And they only cost like 10$ so if I kill an animal I use it as a ground tarp for processing if needed or an emergency shelter or survival blanket if needed. Not super quite I guess.
Title: Re: Floorless Shelter ground tarp?
Post by: trophyhunt on June 25, 2020, 07:01:07 AM
I have this one and run it with the XL hexpeak

https://luxe-hiking-gear.com/collections/lightweight-camping-tents/products/1-person-minipeak-pyramid-inner-tent
So you have to tie off the top to a tree limb then?  Isn't a small lightweight tent better?
Title: Re: Floorless Shelter ground tarp?
Post by: Karl Blanchard on June 25, 2020, 07:17:38 AM
Try running your tyvek through the washing machine and air dry.
  :yeah: wash it and it will be as quiet as a sheet on your bed at home
Title: Re: Floorless Shelter ground tarp?
Post by: baker5150 on June 25, 2020, 07:23:24 AM
Try running your tyvek through the washing machine and air dry.
  :yeah: wash it and it will be as quiet as a sheet on your bed at home

I washed it last night, made a huge difference.

Now I need to get my buddy to do the same.  He tosses and turns like a fish out of water.


Title: Re: Floorless Shelter ground tarp?
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on June 25, 2020, 07:34:44 AM
Not much for cool factor, but when I was able to spike out in the back country for 1-3 nights these were great.  Some paracord and a few limbs or rocks and I had my choice of A-frame with floor, simple ground cloth and larger A-frame w/o floor for two.  I've successfully spent the night through screaming wind, driving rain and hail under one of these (though with driving rain you do have to judiciously push off the pooled water as they do get a bit form fitting).  Works great as a ground cloth when boning out and good for wrapping meat for internal pack.

They are so handy, compact and lightweight in the original packaging I still usually carry one in my day pack.
Title: Re: Floorless Shelter ground tarp?
Post by: vandeman17 on June 25, 2020, 08:13:55 AM
I have this one and run it with the XL hexpeak

https://luxe-hiking-gear.com/collections/lightweight-camping-tents/products/1-person-minipeak-pyramid-inner-tent
So you have to tie off the top to a tree limb then?  Isn't a small lightweight tent better?

It goes inside the shelter and ties of to the peak and outer wall of the tent
Title: Re: Floorless Shelter ground tarp?
Post by: jstone on June 25, 2020, 12:36:36 PM
I was thinking of getting the Tyvek stuff.
Title: Re: Floorless Shelter ground tarp?
Post by: Hillbilly Zen on June 25, 2020, 02:31:26 PM
Try running your tyvek through the washing machine and air dry.
  :yeah: wash it and it will be as quiet as a sheet on your bed at home

I washed it last night, made a huge difference.

Now I need to get my buddy to do the same.  He tosses and turns like a fish out of water.
I had a tyvek bivy before they were cool.  Also before I had money for anything nicer.  Hope it saved you some cash! 
 :tup:
Title: Re: Floorless Shelter ground tarp?
Post by: baker5150 on June 25, 2020, 02:49:37 PM
Try running your tyvek through the washing machine and air dry.
  :yeah: wash it and it will be as quiet as a sheet on your bed at home

I washed it last night, made a huge difference.

Now I need to get my buddy to do the same.  He tosses and turns like a fish out of water.
I had a tyvek bivy before they were cool.  Also before I had money for anything nicer.  Hope it saved you some cash! 
 :tup:

Yes..
Cash and some sleep. 

Sleeping on a bag of potato chips was getting old.
Title: Re: Floorless Shelter ground tarp?
Post by: dilleytech on June 27, 2020, 12:22:59 PM
Try running your tyvek through the washing machine and air dry.
  :yeah: wash it and it will be as quiet as a sheet on your bed at home

Is it still water resistant on the one side after washed?
Title: Re: Floorless Shelter ground tarp?
Post by: Hillbilly Zen on June 28, 2020, 07:19:41 PM
Try running your tyvek through the washing machine and air dry.
  :yeah: wash it and it will be as quiet as a sheet on your bed at home

Is it still water resistant on the one side after washed?


In my experience yes, but I generally have a tarp.  I’ve never taken an all night drenching in a Tyvek bivy.  Tyvek bivy camping without a tarp is for mountaineers on technical ascents or savages.  Currently keep an OR bivy in my box-o-tents.  Bombproof insurance in winter.
Title: Re: Floorless Shelter ground tarp?
Post by: baker5150 on July 01, 2020, 05:21:28 PM
So I washed the Tyvek and it’s much much quieter.  But still loud.
Instead of a bag of potato chips, it’s more like an empty bag of potato chips
Certainly not quiet.
What’s the secret? 
Title: Re: Floorless Shelter ground tarp?
Post by: Magnum_Willys on July 01, 2020, 05:43:04 PM
Tried a waterproof spaceblanket type bivy- bag was dripping wet in couple hours from inside condensation.  Threw it bivy in dumpster.
Title: Re: Floorless Shelter ground tarp?
Post by: Hillbilly Zen on July 28, 2020, 09:51:43 AM
Tried a waterproof spaceblanket type bivy- bag was dripping wet in couple hours from inside condensation.  Threw it bivy in dumpster.

Yeah those are good for keeping you alive and that’s about it.  Any Bivy is going to get condensation and I don’t recommend them anymore because there are very light weight tent options now that didn’t exist even ten years ago.  I use mine in winter or in combination with a light poncho tarp sometimes in other seasons just to keep a tiny and discreet camp, but you have to be committed to what is basically cowboy camping with an extra layer of emergency protection.  I am in the backcountry far more often just hiking and camping than hunting, and don’t always need room for larger packs with a rifle and other tools.  If I’m by myself for three days or less and have more than 20 pounds on my back, I feel like I am Carrying too much crap. 
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