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Title: Wyoming draw.......next year
Post by: furbearer365 on June 25, 2020, 08:24:30 AM
So my son is 9 and passed his hunters safety about a month ago. I've been buying Wyoming points for a while and wanted to build em up to draw a good tag there. I'm thinking maybe next year would be the best time to spend them, just so I could start getting points again for when he is legal to hunt there and I put us in for a general tag for us to go together. I will have 12 points for the draw next year and have been doing research on the best tag I could draw with 12. I've been looking at 87 and 101. My question is, if you've hunted Wyoming before or know about areas, if you had 12 points, what tag do you think would be best. I've hunted mulies in MT for 10 years or so, and have tagged every year. I'd love to hunt part of that migration in Wyoming.
Title: Re: Wyoming draw.......next year
Post by: Karl Blanchard on June 25, 2020, 08:58:52 AM
You can't draw 101 with 12 points. If you pay the extra for special you "should" be able to draw 87.
Title: Re: Wyoming draw.......next year
Post by: furbearer365 on June 25, 2020, 10:34:39 AM
Yeah 101 was one I was looking at in case I did decided to hold off a couple more years. I was looking at the 105-106-109 late tag. But I know a lot of that I would need guided.  I'm gonna call some biologist over there next week and pick their brain.
Title: Re: Wyoming draw.......next year
Post by: Karl Blanchard on June 25, 2020, 10:49:56 AM
Probably arent gonna be able to catch up to 101 so I'd scratch that off your list. Maybe 102 but definitely not a guarantee. Just send it on 87 special
Title: Re: Wyoming draw.......next year
Post by: Mtnwalker on June 25, 2020, 11:12:38 AM
102 was 0% with less than 14 pts this year in the special. 12 points is a tough spot to be, enough to make you want the top tier but not quite enough to ever get there. Like Karl said burn em on something you can get. Unfortunately even 87 was a 0% draw at 12 points this year.
Title: Re: Wyoming draw.......next year
Post by: Stein on June 25, 2020, 11:27:17 AM
Unless something happens, you won't likely catch up in 101, it's crept 4 points in 4 years.  Last year it would have taken 14, in 2015 you could have gotten it with 10.
Title: Re: Wyoming draw.......next year
Post by: furbearer365 on June 25, 2020, 01:10:48 PM
102 was 0% with less than 14 pts this year in the special. 12 points is a tough spot to be, enough to make you want the top tier but not quite enough to ever get there. Like Karl said burn em on something you can get. Unfortunately even 87 was a 0% draw at 12 points this year.



And that is issue. Since my son has passed his hunters safety, my "wants" have changed a bit.  12 points is a lot more than I want to spend on a general tag, but not enough for an elite tag. I also thought about holding off and putting us both in on a G tag when hes 13 or 14, so we could both hunt and have a tag. But I think finding a 12 point unit now then going general down the road sounds better. Like I said, I plan on calling Bios next week and maybe finding a couple of sleeper options.
Title: Re: Wyoming draw.......next year
Post by: Widgeondeke on June 25, 2020, 02:39:18 PM
Are you wanting your son to be able to hunt? WY minimum age for big game is 12 y/o. I am pretty sure you can't even buy points or tags until they are 11 and turn 12 during the season.

for deer, I like "L" in November  :twocents:
Title: Re: Wyoming draw.......next year
Post by: Bucks2Ducks on June 25, 2020, 02:43:01 PM
Are you wanting your son to be able to hunt? WY minimum age for big game is 12 y/o. I am pretty sure you can't even buy points or tags until they are 11 and turn 12 during the season.

for deer, I like "L" in November  :twocents:
I believe he was thinking of cashing in his points now, and building back up for a gen when his son is of age
Title: Re: Wyoming draw.......next year
Post by: opdinkslayer on June 25, 2020, 03:05:07 PM
I’d save them a couple more years & them share me back in for a G tag. :dunno: :chuckle:  You’re kinda in no man’s land really & I don’t know that some of the LQ tags have as good of trophy potential as G or H.
Title: Re: Wyoming draw.......next year
Post by: Karl Blanchard on June 25, 2020, 04:04:50 PM
You wont be able to draw G if you split 14pts most likely. That's another one that will continue to climb. I stand by my recommendation burn next year and start over with your son.
Title: Re: Wyoming draw.......next year
Post by: furbearer365 on June 25, 2020, 04:05:50 PM
Are you wanting your son to be able to hunt? WY minimum age for big game is 12 y/o. I am pretty sure you can't even buy points or tags until they are 11 and turn 12 during the season.

for deer, I like "L" in November  :twocents:
I believe he was thinking of cashing in his points now, and building back up for a gen when his son is of age


 :yeah:  My pickle, if you can call it that!!! Is when I started putting in points I thought Wyoming would be a good state to build points then cash in on an elite tag. I figured I would let it go high enough till I'd draw a stud tag. Well here I am with a son that turns 10 in October, loves hunting like no other, and wondering the best way to go about this. Like was said earlier, it feels like no man's land. I either try to draw with 12 next year, or wait more years till I can. But now the father in me wants him to be part of everything I do. And yes, knowing that he cant hunt in Wyoming until hes 12, doesnt it seem crazy to burn 14 or 15 points on a general tag?? I mean, if i did find a unit worthy of 12, i could start building again, then we could still both go in let say, 5 years. Oh, and believe me, this isn't a  :'( :'( moment. Just friendly talk on what others would do
Title: Re: Wyoming draw.......next year
Post by: Stein on June 25, 2020, 04:47:15 PM
If it were me, I'd get a tag next year and go hunting with my son.  Then, by the time he is 12 you will have a couple points and the two of you can get on a system where one of you draws a tag for a 3 pt unit ever other year or so and hunt general tag stuff wherever on the other years.

I can't see a bunch of reason to get more than 3-5 points max.  Two is even better, plenty of really good hunts out there for 2-3 points once a guy crosses off the fairy tale stuff that is not realistic.

But, I get that some people would rather go big or go home and I'm glad they are holding out instead of jumping in on the lower point units.  It's all about what makes the most sense for you.
Title: Re: Wyoming draw.......next year
Post by: furbearer365 on June 25, 2020, 05:03:06 PM
If it were me, I'd get a tag next year and go hunting with my son.  Then, by the time he is 12 you will have a couple points and the two of you can get on a system where one of you draws a tag for a 3 pt unit ever other year or so and hunt general tag stuff wherever on the other years.

I can't see a bunch of reason to get more than 3-5 points max.  Two is even better, plenty of really good hunts out there for 2-3 points once a guy crosses off the fairy tale stuff that is not realistic.

But, I get that some people would rather go big or go home and I'm glad they are holding out instead of jumping in on the lower point units.  It's all about what makes the most sense for you.


That's exactly why I'm asking opinions, because I'm sometimes too realistic about hunting. These points were originally meant for that one time hunt that I would go for that "giant".  I could go every year and shoot a 20 inch 4x4 and love every second. But I do know that waiting 15 years to draw a general tag seems crazy, knowing I coulda drawn 5 times in that timeframe. It would mean more to shoot 2 good bucks with my son, than 1 wall hanger. But it seems like both could happen, knowing that he cant hunt there till hes 12. Just needing to draw that tag next year, then build more points for him and I
Title: Re: Wyoming draw.......next year
Post by: Bigshooter on June 25, 2020, 07:05:18 PM
I would put in for 87 in the special draw.
Title: Re: Wyoming draw.......next year
Post by: furbearer365 on June 25, 2020, 07:49:58 PM
I would put in for 87 in the special draw.

That's what I'm leaning towards right now. I will still call the bios and do due diligence before I land on it next year. But that's the fun part
Title: Re: Wyoming draw.......next year
Post by: sjhgraysage on June 25, 2020, 09:07:01 PM
Call Wyoming tomorrow and ask if you can buy points for your son until he is old enough to hunt. I think you may be able to...
Title: Re: Wyoming draw.......next year
Post by: Widgeondeke on June 25, 2020, 10:47:45 PM
Have you considered collecting 2-3 more points and then share them with your son for a GREAT hunt together?  :twocents:
Title: Re: Wyoming draw.......next year
Post by: furbearer365 on June 26, 2020, 09:13:34 AM
Have you considered collecting 2-3 more points and then share them with your son for a GREAT hunt together?  :twocents:



Yeah, that was one of the options I brought up earlier. Didnt know if it was foolish to build up to 14 or 15 to use that many on a general tag so then both of us go, or if I spend them now, then build more points so both could go in say 4 years. Either way, he cant hunt there for at least 2-3 years. Taking my son is not the dilemma, hes going when hes of age. Was just thinking 2 birds could be killed here if I spend them next year, then build point for the next 3 years so both of us go on a general tag. The reason for starting these points was to build up to 14, 15, 16 points then try to draw an elite tag.  By the time I get that many, my son will be in prime hunting form and theres is no way I would live with myself if I drew and elite tag without him. So that's why my focus has changed a bit and am trying to figure out the best option.
Title: Re: Wyoming draw.......next year
Post by: Karl Blanchard on June 26, 2020, 09:21:44 AM
NEVER assume that everything will remain static. The NR game is changing everywhere, every year. Get the tags you can get and worry about future hunting seasons later. Obviously to be effective at getting tags a guy has to be thinking 1-5 years out but the future is never a guarantee. Hunt next year and then worry about getting tags with your son. I'm in the same boat with my kids except I don't and won't ever have 12 points anywhere. Well except WA  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Wyoming draw.......next year
Post by: Mtnwalker on June 26, 2020, 09:36:18 AM
I would put in for 87 in the special draw.

That's what I'm leaning towards right now. I will still call the bios and do due diligence before I land on it next year. But that's the fun part

Just to clarify, you said you will have 12 points next year meaning you’re currently sitting on 11 and buying number 12 this summer correct?
Title: Re: Wyoming draw.......next year
Post by: jjhunter on June 26, 2020, 09:38:24 AM
The problem with WY is that the general hunts are still the best in the state from a quality standpoint.   The high point lowland hunts still only buy a slim chance at a quality buck.

If I had money on the line to take a deer north of 185”; I’d take G over a 128 type hunt all day long.   

Unfortunately, even G and H are moving into a stretch where two years of lost fawn crops are  going to result in a significant void of prime age class bucks.

Gonna be slim pickings here for a couple of years.  Glad I used up my 8 pts this year and my brother’s 6 pts this year.
Title: Re: Wyoming draw.......next year
Post by: furbearer365 on June 26, 2020, 06:06:42 PM
I would put in for 87 in the special draw.

That's what I'm leaning towards right now. I will still call the bios and do due diligence before I land on it next year. But that's the fun part

Just to clarify, you said you will have 12 points next year meaning you’re currently sitting on 11 and buying number 12 this summer correct?


 :tup:
Title: Re: Wyoming draw.......next year
Post by: polishstunner on June 26, 2020, 08:55:55 PM
My friends down there say that there is big deer everywhere on the limited draw hunts. Scouting alot is key for weeks before the hunt. Guys that want to show up 2 days before the hunt have to do things different.
Title: Re: Wyoming draw.......next year
Post by: polishstunner on June 26, 2020, 08:59:54 PM
I drew 89 on their advice so I will be there to verify. They plan to scout (as they love the area) and hunt with me.  I will gladly let people know how it goes, as I will not draw it again. Took 10 pts in special and im sure it will be 20+ in 10 years... :dunno:
Title: Re: Wyoming draw.......next year
Post by: furbearer365 on June 26, 2020, 09:28:25 PM
I drew 89 on their advice so I will be there to verify. They plan to scout (as they love the area) and hunt with me.  I will gladly let people know how it goes, as I will not draw it again. Took 10 pts in special and im sure it will be 20+ in 10 years... :dunno:

Sounds good!!!  Having scouters is huge. Cant wait to hear about it. Good luck
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