Post by: Jingles on June 28, 2020, 10:47:32 AM
Anyone here made the changes and deleting willing to offer suggestions
Post by: KFhunter on June 28, 2020, 11:51:51 AM
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Post by: Mudman on June 28, 2020, 11:53:06 AM
Post by: Jingles on June 28, 2020, 06:28:56 PM
Want to do the complete delete DEF, and everything that goes with it
Post by: Smokeploe on June 28, 2020, 06:43:19 PM
You can find out what will work and what will not. Lots of great info, do a search for what you want to do.
Post by: Fastass350 on July 01, 2020, 06:08:56 PM
I helped my dad delete his ‘11 Dodge, guy from thier shop came to my house and flashed the computer for me so I didn’t have to buy a programmer. His mileage has increased since we did the delete. Message me if you need contact info, if you’re in the area.
Chris
Post by: HillHound on July 01, 2020, 06:22:49 PM
truck is a 2015 F250 with 6.7.I have the same but a 16. Following to see what kind of gains you get.
Want to do the complete delete DEF, and everything that goes with it
Post by: 95powersmoker on July 02, 2020, 07:41:54 AM
Post by: bear on July 02, 2020, 07:49:47 AM
Post by: Jingles on August 20, 2020, 03:43:29 PM
Went with the EZlynk 2.0 tuner. So after next weekend no more need for DEF or replacing a $3500.00 DP Filter
Once have it in and able to do some test runs will report on the pros and cons of doing a delete in case anyone else is interested in results
Post by: gasman on September 01, 2020, 04:38:41 PM
4" straight pipe off the turbo, plenty of power and getting 23 mpg on hwy. Was getting 19 average before hand.
Post by: idaho guy on September 01, 2020, 08:46:20 PM
Post by: Night goat on September 02, 2020, 11:32:34 AM
Post by: ctwiggs1 on September 02, 2020, 11:38:02 AM
Post by: MacAttack on September 02, 2020, 11:41:49 AM
Post by: birddogdad on September 02, 2020, 11:57:28 AM
States with emissions inspection may prevent you from license/ street legal as well as "illegally modified".. This all being said, i have a '14 RAM 2500 i have been considering deleting but...
Post by: trophyhunt on September 02, 2020, 12:08:46 PM
Just don’t trade the truck in when you’re done with it. Dealer has to put all the emissions crap back on. My dealer says there’s no way around it for them. They just take that off the cost of the trade in. If ya sell it privately, it’s not an issue. Been considering doing this to my ‘14 DuramaxI have an 06 duramax, I know it doesn't have the def bs on it but I ordered a straight pipe from alligator performance in Idaho, and installed the edge computer. Improved my mileage from about 11 to 15.5 towing, long drives I've gotten up to 18+.
Post by: jackelope on September 02, 2020, 12:19:33 PM
It's a resale risk and a trade in risk.
Also after I don't know how many dozen 6.7 Powerstroke trucks I've seen here, I can't think of any DPF's we've replaced on one. A few EGR valves and a few EGR coolers here and there on the early 6.7's. Tampering with a perfectly good truck doesn't always pencil out. You're going to spend a few thousand bucks to save some gas money. How much driving do you have to do to make up the difference? How much driving are you going to do? Yes, you can make some more power, but how much power do you need? Those trucks are very powerful stock from the factory.
Most of the time I see this stuff done, it's done to a lifted 6.7 Super Duty on 24" wheels that will never see a trailer in it's backup camera. The truck is owned by a flat brim wearing bro country listener who lives in Bellevue and will never use(or need) the power the trucks make.
Post by: ctwiggs1 on September 02, 2020, 12:36:11 PM
The important thing to remember with all of this is that it's illegal to do. It's also illegal for shops to knowingly work on trucks that have had federal emissions equipment tampered with.
It's a resale risk and a trade in risk.
Also after I don't know how many dozen 6.7 Powerstroke trucks I've seen here, I can't think of any DPF's we've replaced on one. A few EGR valves and a few EGR coolers here and there on the early 6.7's. Tampering with a perfectly good truck doesn't always pencil out. You're going to spend a few thousand bucks to save some gas money. How much driving do you have to do to make up the difference? How much driving are you going to do? Yes, you can make some more power, but how much power do you need? Those trucks are very powerful stock from the factory.
Most of the time I see this stuff done, it's done to a lifted 6.7 Super Duty on 24" wheels that will never see a trailer in it's backup camera. The truck is owned by a flat brim wearing bro country listener who lives in Bellevue and will never use(or need) the power the trucks make.
Pretty sure that last line makes you a racist in 2020 :yike:
Or something like that anyways :chuckle:
Post by: blackpowderhunter on September 02, 2020, 12:46:05 PM
i get over 30 mpg long highway drives and 17-18 towing my 21 ft boat
i'm not deleting squat right now :chuckle:
even with no more emissions testing, jackelope is right, you have any plans to trade it in, it's going to take a huge hit and be a pita.
ALSO, how are you supposed to road hunt when your truck is so damn noisey? :chuckle:
Post by: Night goat on September 02, 2020, 01:42:00 PM
Can someone break this down into laymans terms? Looking at a diesel in the next couple years and always hearing about tuning and computers on them.
Simple.... Diesel engines from invention til like 06 were strictly mechanical machines with everything being precision timed. To sync up giving legendary reliability and fuel economy at the cost of emissions (although as a mechanic a properly tuned engine shouldn't have much) and to improve on the numbers for the EPA they went to computer controlled engines with exhaust gas recalculation valves and fluids to cut down on the exhaust as a diesel engine doesnt produce exhaust similar to gasoline engines, it is heavy particulate matter such as soot and while gasoline emissions to up into the atmosphere diesels primarily fall back down to earth and when you romp on a diesel it.produces unburnt fuel particles as a result (the thick black exhaust) and to counter this the EPA decided that that shkuldnt happen and started requiring all this emissions crap and while in many cases its the same engine as back in the day they put so much junk on the newer engjnes performance took a serious nosedive and in many cases the new engines are sluggish and unresponsive and simply dont perform so people gace to tune and mod them to act the way we want em to
Post by: Milkman on September 02, 2020, 03:27:49 PM
did my 2014 Ram 3500. Bought RaceMe tuner, EGR and DEF deleted about 2 months ago, and live it.
4" straight pipe off the turbo, plenty of power and getting 23 mpg on hwy. Was getting 19 average before hand.
Just did my 16 3500 Ram a few months ago. Bought the whole delete kit, def and egr and a MM3 tuner for $1700. All new, not used. I did the complete swap over in a day. The power is massive! Huge change over stock. Running a diesel the way its supposed to be ran.
Kept all my oem parts if I ever wanted to go back to stock. And it's not illegal to do in a state with no emissions.
Post by: Stein on September 02, 2020, 03:39:19 PM
Post by: The scout on September 02, 2020, 03:46:05 PM
The important thing to remember with all of this is that it's illegal to do. It's also illegal for shops to knowingly work on trucks that have had federal emissions equipment tampered with.
It's a resale risk and a trade in risk.
Also after I don't know how many dozen 6.7 Powerstroke trucks I've seen here, I can't think of any DPF's we've replaced on one. A few EGR valves and a few EGR coolers here and there on the early 6.7's. Tampering with a perfectly good truck doesn't always pencil out. You're going to spend a few thousand bucks to save some gas money. How much driving do you have to do to make up the difference? How much driving are you going to do? Yes, you can make some more power, but how much power do you need? Those trucks are very powerful stock from the factory.
Most of the time I see this stuff done, it's done to a lifted 6.7 Super Duty on 24" wheels that will never see a trailer in it's backup camera. The truck is owned by a flat brim wearing bro country listener who lives in Bellevue and will never use(or need) the power the trucks make.
There is a lot more to it than power, I don’t know a single person who hasn’t had a problem with there def system and I know a ton of people with diesels. If they were”perfectly good” no one would want to delete them. I’m guessing you work for a dealership or somewhere they brain wash you to think this way. Not a resale problem either. We will probably agree to disagree, but in my mind the good by far out way the bad.
Post by: Jingles on September 02, 2020, 04:31:25 PM
The important thing to remember with all of this is that it's illegal to do. It's also illegal for shops to knowingly work on trucks that have had federal emissions equipment tampered with.
It's a resale risk and a trade in risk.
Also after I don't know how many dozen 6.7 Powerstroke trucks I've seen here, I can't think of any DPF's we've replaced on one. A few EGR valves and a few EGR coolers here and there on the early 6.7's. Tampering with a perfectly good truck doesn't always pencil out. You're going to spend a few thousand bucks to save some gas money. How much driving do you have to do to make up the difference? How much driving are you going to do? Yes, you can make some more power, but how much power do you need? Those trucks are very powerful stock from the factory.
Most of the time I see this stuff done, it's done to a lifted 6.7 Super Duty on 24" wheels that will never see a trailer in it's backup camera. The truck is owned by a flat brim wearing bro country listener who lives in Bellevue and will never use(or need) the power the trucks make.
So according to you it is illegal for shops to work on trucks that have had a delete done, Hmmm guess the ford dealer that worked on my hasn't been informed of that yet. They did say that can't work on the exhaust system or correct any problems that can be attributed to the delete but otherwise they can work on anything else.
Oh BTW yea I listen to Country however I also do a heck of a lot more driving that your wannabe Belleview bro. My last truck had 437,000 miles before I traded it in, and probably had more miles on that single vehicle than you have driven period, and figure at my current age this will be the last vehicle I purchase.
Post by: jackelope on September 02, 2020, 04:33:15 PM
The important thing to remember with all of this is that it's illegal to do. It's also illegal for shops to knowingly work on trucks that have had federal emissions equipment tampered with.
It's a resale risk and a trade in risk.
Also after I don't know how many dozen 6.7 Powerstroke trucks I've seen here, I can't think of any DPF's we've replaced on one. A few EGR valves and a few EGR coolers here and there on the early 6.7's. Tampering with a perfectly good truck doesn't always pencil out. You're going to spend a few thousand bucks to save some gas money. How much driving do you have to do to make up the difference? How much driving are you going to do? Yes, you can make some more power, but how much power do you need? Those trucks are very powerful stock from the factory.
Most of the time I see this stuff done, it's done to a lifted 6.7 Super Duty on 24" wheels that will never see a trailer in it's backup camera. The truck is owned by a flat brim wearing bro country listener who lives in Bellevue and will never use(or need) the power the trucks make.
So according to you it is illegal for shops to work on trucks that have had a delete done, Hmmm guess the ford dealer that worked on my hasn't been informed of that yet. They did say that can't work on the exhaust system or correct any problems that can be attributed to the delete but otherwise they can work on anything else.
Oh BTW yea I listen to Country however I also do a heck of a lot more driving that your wannabe Belleview bro. My last truck had 437,000 miles before I traded it in, and probably had more miles on that single vehicle than you have driven period, and figure at my current age this will be the last vehicle I purchase.
Well I traded my last truck in at 235k miles and my current has 205k. So I’m getting there.
Post by: jackelope on September 02, 2020, 04:43:11 PM
The important thing to remember with all of this is that it's illegal to do. It's also illegal for shops to knowingly work on trucks that have had federal emissions equipment tampered with.
It's a resale risk and a trade in risk.
Also after I don't know how many dozen 6.7 Powerstroke trucks I've seen here, I can't think of any DPF's we've replaced on one. A few EGR valves and a few EGR coolers here and there on the early 6.7's. Tampering with a perfectly good truck doesn't always pencil out. You're going to spend a few thousand bucks to save some gas money. How much driving do you have to do to make up the difference? How much driving are you going to do? Yes, you can make some more power, but how much power do you need? Those trucks are very powerful stock from the factory.
Most of the time I see this stuff done, it's done to a lifted 6.7 Super Duty on 24" wheels that will never see a trailer in it's backup camera. The truck is owned by a flat brim wearing bro country listener who lives in Bellevue and will never use(or need) the power the trucks make.
There is a lot more to it than power, I don’t know a single person who hasn’t had a problem with there def system and I know a ton of people with diesels. If they were”perfectly good” no one would want to delete them. I’m guessing you work for a dealership or somewhere they brain wash you to think this way. Not a resale problem either. We will probably agree to disagree, but in my mind the good by far out way the bad.
I work for a Ford dealership. A DEF problem has nothing to do with the diesel particulate filter. 2 different parts. I’m assuming you meant. The newer 6.7 power strokes don’t have DPF problems. They earlier ones ...2011’s till about 2015’s had an issue with the diesel exhaust fluid heater. Ford put out a special policy warranty on that that’s good for 10 years or 150k.
There’s no brainwashing. I’m surrounded by these things 10 hours a day and 5 days a week. I make my mortgage payments off of them.
I’m not sure how a guy can say that there’s no resale issues selling a truck that has no emissions stuff on it, assuming you disclose that at the time of sale or trade in to the buyer. Sadly I just had a lady in here who bought a 450 with a deleted 6.4 and didn’t know it was deleted. She bought it used off of a guy who didn’t tell her about the mods. Had a melted piston. Burned the motor up because the tune was running the engine so hot it couldn’t cool itself down.
I get the desire to delete them I guess, but the fear of the problems they have are old news. They’re just not common problems anymore. Literally don’t remember the last time we replaced an egr cooler in a ford truck and I see 50 cars a day, probably 60% of those are trucks and a good number of those are diesels. I have all the construction companies working on the light rail here bringing trucks to me and I have 3 guys in my shop who work on nothing but trucks all day long.
Post by: Dan-o on September 02, 2020, 05:34:56 PM
The important thing to remember with all of this is that it's illegal to do. It's also illegal for shops to knowingly work on trucks that have had federal emissions equipment tampered with.
It's a resale risk and a trade in risk.
Also after I don't know how many dozen 6.7 Powerstroke trucks I've seen here, I can't think of any DPF's we've replaced on one. A few EGR valves and a few EGR coolers here and there on the early 6.7's. Tampering with a perfectly good truck doesn't always pencil out. You're going to spend a few thousand bucks to save some gas money. How much driving do you have to do to make up the difference? How much driving are you going to do? Yes, you can make some more power, but how much power do you need? Those trucks are very powerful stock from the factory.
Most of the time I see this stuff done, it's done to a lifted 6.7 Super Duty on 24" wheels that will never see a trailer in it's backup camera. The truck is owned by a flat brim wearing bro country listener who lives in Bellevue and will never use(or need) the power the trucks make.
So according to you it is illegal for shops to work on trucks that have had a delete done, Hmmm guess the ford dealer that worked on my hasn't been informed of that yet. They did say that can't work on the exhaust system or correct any problems that can be attributed to the delete but otherwise they can work on anything else.
Oh BTW yea I listen to Country however I also do a heck of a lot more driving that your wannabe Belleview bro. My last truck had 437,000 miles before I traded it in, and probably had more miles on that single vehicle than you have driven period, and figure at my current age this will be the last vehicle I purchase.
437K miles! :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike:
That's fairly awesome.
I have felt good when I get them to around 250K.
Post by: The scout on September 02, 2020, 05:48:37 PM
The important thing to remember with all of this is that it's illegal to do. It's also illegal for shops to knowingly work on trucks that have had federal emissions equipment tampered with.
It's a resale risk and a trade in risk.
Also after I don't know how many dozen 6.7 Powerstroke trucks I've seen here, I can't think of any DPF's we've replaced on one. A few EGR valves and a few EGR coolers here and there on the early 6.7's. Tampering with a perfectly good truck doesn't always pencil out. You're going to spend a few thousand bucks to save some gas money. How much driving do you have to do to make up the difference? How much driving are you going to do? Yes, you can make some more power, but how much power do you need? Those trucks are very powerful stock from the factory.
Most of the time I see this stuff done, it's done to a lifted 6.7 Super Duty on 24" wheels that will never see a trailer in it's backup camera. The truck is owned by a flat brim wearing bro country listener who lives in Bellevue and will never use(or need) the power the trucks make.
There is a lot more to it than power, I don’t know a single person who hasn’t had a problem with there def system and I know a ton of people with diesels. If they were”perfectly good” no one would want to delete them. I’m guessing you work for a dealership or somewhere they brain wash you to think this way. Not a resale problem either. We will probably agree to disagree, but in my mind the good by far out way the bad.
I work for a Ford dealership. A DEF problem has nothing to do with the diesel particulate filter. 2 different parts. I’m assuming you meant. The newer 6.7 power strokes don’t have DPF problems. They earlier ones ...2011’s till about 2015’s had an issue with the diesel exhaust fluid heater. Ford put out a special policy warranty on that that’s good for 10 years or 150k.
There’s no brainwashing. I’m surrounded by these things 10 hours a day and 5 days a week. I make my mortgage payments off of them.
I’m not sure how a guy can say that there’s no resale issues selling a truck that has no emissions stuff on it, assuming you disclose that at the time of sale or trade in to the buyer. Sadly I just had a lady in here who bought a 450 with a deleted 6.4 and didn’t know it was deleted. She bought it used off of a guy who didn’t tell her about the mods. Had a melted piston. Burned the motor up because the tune was running the engine so hot it couldn’t cool itself down.
I get the desire to delete them I guess, but the fear of the problems they have are old news. They’re just not common problems anymore. Literally don’t remember the last time we replaced an egr cooler in a ford truck and I see 50 cars a day, probably 60% of those are trucks and a good number of those are diesels. I have all the construction companies working on the light rail here bringing trucks to me and I have 3 guys in my shop who work on nothing but trucks all day long.
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I guess you haven’t owned one that’s had constant problems and had to be in the shop a bunch, or put in limp mode in middle of Montana in the middle of a hunting trip or or or. Just because you don’t see the problems at a service department at a dealership doesn’t mean there aren’t problems. After warranty is up I would never take a rig to a dealership for work. None of my deletes have had to do with power, it’s reliability.
Post by: HntnFsh on September 02, 2020, 07:31:00 PM
my new truck came with a 'lifetime powertrain' warranty and 80k warranty on emissions equipment with free oil changes for life.
i get over 30 mpg long highway drives and 17-18 towing my 21 ft boat
i'm not deleting squat right now :chuckle:
even with no more emissions testing, jackelope is right, you have any plans to trade it in, it's going to take a huge hit and be a pita.
ALSO, how are you supposed to road hunt when your truck is so damn noisey? :chuckle:
What kind of rig are you getting those numbers out of? Almost seems like a pipe dream.
Post by: jackelope on September 02, 2020, 09:19:40 PM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on September 02, 2020, 09:55:58 PM
Gonna guess it’s a Ram 1500 eco diesel.Not 30mpg.....
Post by: MacAttack on September 03, 2020, 08:08:49 AM
my new truck came with a 'lifetime powertrain' warranty and 80k warranty on emissions equipment with free oil changes for life.
i get over 30 mpg long highway drives and 17-18 towing my 21 ft boat
i'm not deleting squat right now :chuckle:
even with no more emissions testing, jackelope is right, you have any plans to trade it in, it's going to take a huge hit and be a pita.
ALSO, how are you supposed to road hunt when your truck is so damn noisey? :chuckle:
What kind of rig are you getting those numbers out of? Almost seems like a pipe dream.
:yeah:
Post by: Matth on September 03, 2020, 08:15:14 AM
Post by: blackpowderhunter on September 03, 2020, 10:05:31 AM
baby duramax colorado.my new truck came with a 'lifetime powertrain' warranty and 80k warranty on emissions equipment with free oil changes for life.
i get over 30 mpg long highway drives and 17-18 towing my 21 ft boat
i'm not deleting squat right now :chuckle:
even with no more emissions testing, jackelope is right, you have any plans to trade it in, it's going to take a huge hit and be a pita.
ALSO, how are you supposed to road hunt when your truck is so damn noisey? :chuckle:
What kind of rig are you getting those numbers out of? Almost seems like a pipe dream.
i know it's not a full size diesel so it's kind of 'cheating' but i don't tow horse trailers or big travel trailers.
it was the upgrade from Toyota Tacomas for me. My boat is a 21 ft north river seahawk and for towing that, it works quite well.
Post by: The scout on September 03, 2020, 03:57:33 PM
I have a 15 Ram fully deleted that i did myself that is awesome. It's lifted 2.5 inches sitting on 35 inch tires getting around 21 mpg's on the high way.
Which delete kit did you get? I also have a 15 that I’m about to do. Thinking about the race me tuner.
Post by: Milkman on September 04, 2020, 05:05:44 AM
I have a 15 Ram fully deleted that i did myself that is awesome. It's lifted 2.5 inches sitting on 35 inch tires getting around 21 mpg's on the high way.
Which delete kit did you get? I also have a 15 that I’m about to do. Thinking about the race me tuner.
Do it :tup:
The RaceMe is great. Also look at the MM3.
Post by: Jingles on October 05, 2020, 10:49:38 AM
Well finally got the systems deleted on the truck after only having problems with 1 bolt and new parts installed and programmed, can't give a report on any update on change in fuel economy but can say that when you stand on the throttle this 6.7 is now rocket propelled :chuckle:, definitely puts you back in the seat. will be making a trip one day this week and can hopefully give a report on fuel usage following the short 100 mile round trip
Post by: whacker1 on October 05, 2020, 11:05:41 AM
The important thing to remember with all of this is that it's illegal to do. It's also illegal for shops to knowingly work on trucks that have had federal emissions equipment tampered with.
It's a resale risk and a trade in risk.
Also after I don't know how many dozen 6.7 Powerstroke trucks I've seen here, I can't think of any DPF's we've replaced on one. A few EGR valves and a few EGR coolers here and there on the early 6.7's. Tampering with a perfectly good truck doesn't always pencil out. You're going to spend a few thousand bucks to save some gas money. How much driving do you have to do to make up the difference? How much driving are you going to do? Yes, you can make some more power, but how much power do you need? Those trucks are very powerful stock from the factory.
Most of the time I see this stuff done, it's done to a lifted 6.7 Super Duty on 24" wheels that will never see a trailer in it's backup camera. The truck is owned by a flat brim wearing bro country listener who lives in Bellevue and will never use(or need) the power the trucks make.
this is one where we need a like tag.
That is funny and accurate in most cases. i have afriend that tried to trade in a 2011 and no one would take it. he sold it to someone in personal transaction that also wanted a deleted 2011 F350.
Post by: Jingles on October 07, 2020, 12:55:25 PM
Fueled up when left home and topped off when got back.
Now Winthrop to Chelan is not exactly highway driving and what one would say is average driving but used to get around 17+/- mpg, using actual gallons used today, averaged 22.6, using Cc when I could, so might not seem like a big increase to some but 5 mpg is satisfactory considering only changes made to truck were the deleting the PDF and EGR and installing an EZ LYNK tuner, I'M fairly happy with the increase.
The kit I used has no major increase in exhaust noise, a concern of some and when hammering down on the throttle no cloud of black smoke
Post by: gasman on October 07, 2020, 02:19:21 PM
Update on fuel economy changes for those interested.
Fueled up when left home and topped off when got back.
Now Winthrop to Chelan is not exactly highway driving and what one would say is average driving but used to get around 17+/- mpg, using actual gallons used today, averaged 22.6, using Cc when I could, so might not seem like a big increase to some but 5 mpg is satisfactory considering only changes made to truck were the deleting the PDF and EGR and installing an EZ LYNK tuner, I'M fairly happy with the increase.
The kit I used has no major increase in exhaust noise, a concern of some and when hammering down on the throttle no cloud of black smoke
5mpg is huge, with a 32 gallon tank (i have it in mine) that's over 150 miles a tanks a fuel..... thats awesome :drool:
Post by: jackelope on October 08, 2020, 08:39:48 AM
Update on fuel economy changes for those interested.
Fueled up when left home and topped off when got back.
Now Winthrop to Chelan is not exactly highway driving and what one would say is average driving but used to get around 17+/- mpg, using actual gallons used today, averaged 22.6, using Cc when I could, so might not seem like a big increase to some but 5 mpg is satisfactory considering only changes made to truck were the deleting the PDF and EGR and installing an EZ LYNK tuner, I'M fairly happy with the increase.
The kit I used has no major increase in exhaust noise, a concern of some and when hammering down on the throttle no cloud of black smoke
Rolling coal would be more apt to happen with a hotter tune. Crank it up if you can and jump on it. See what happens.
Post by: Jpmiller on October 08, 2020, 08:45:08 AM
Seriously 5mpg is no joke, the negligable noise increase is also good to hear.
Post by: birddogdad on October 08, 2020, 08:48:36 AM
Update on fuel economy changes for those interested.
Fueled up when left home and topped off when got back.
Now Winthrop to Chelan is not exactly highway driving and what one would say is average driving but used to get around 17+/- mpg, using actual gallons used today, averaged 22.6, using Cc when I could, so might not seem like a big increase to some but 5 mpg is satisfactory considering only changes made to truck were the deleting the PDF and EGR and installing an EZ LYNK tuner, I'M fairly happy with the increase.
The kit I used has no major increase in exhaust noise, a concern of some and when hammering down on the throttle no cloud of black smoke
Rolling coal would be more apt to happen with a hotter tune. Crank it up if you can and jump on it. See what happens.
most of these aftermarket tunes can really crank up the power, unfortunately the OEM transmissions installed are not rated.. there are lots of BAD things that can come from "cranking up".. reading about this, recommended no more than +50 HP without transmission high pressure pumps and programming mods to support , which is another rabbit hole to go down..
Post by: jstone on October 08, 2020, 08:49:26 AM
Post by: jackelope on October 08, 2020, 03:55:32 PM
Update on fuel economy changes for those interested.
Fueled up when left home and topped off when got back.
Now Winthrop to Chelan is not exactly highway driving and what one would say is average driving but used to get around 17+/- mpg, using actual gallons used today, averaged 22.6, using Cc when I could, so might not seem like a big increase to some but 5 mpg is satisfactory considering only changes made to truck were the deleting the PDF and EGR and installing an EZ LYNK tuner, I'M fairly happy with the increase.
The kit I used has no major increase in exhaust noise, a concern of some and when hammering down on the throttle no cloud of black smoke
Rolling coal would be more apt to happen with a hotter tune. Crank it up if you can and jump on it. See what happens.
most of these aftermarket tunes can really crank up the power, unfortunately the OEM transmissions installed are not rated.. there are lots of BAD things that can come from "cranking up".. reading about this, recommended no more than +50 HP without transmission high pressure pumps and programming mods to support , which is another rabbit hole to go down..
I agree. I wasn’t sure if he was surprised at no smoke or what. Assume he’s running a fairly stock tune, which is probably what is best for the longevity of the truck.
Post by: Mudman on October 09, 2020, 04:30:53 PM
Post by: thinkingman on December 29, 2020, 11:33:15 AM
Black "Coal" isnt 100% sign of power. It is a sign of unburnt fuel, a dirty tune. Good tuning doesnt smoke like that. Actually very little smoke. It is good thing to not smoke coal, so to speak. That said many hot tunes do smoke black due to turbo not keeping up or extra fuel being used to help cool egt temps. So it is a 2 headed beast in many ways. My 06 had an aggressive Quadzilla tuning system when I purchased it. It made stupid power, pinged and shuddered and went like a train, rolling coal! Forget about looking in the rear view mirror. I removed it. Anarchy Diesel Phil wrote me custom tunes based on all performance mods done on truck. Wow. Power still there mostly, no smoke, pinging etc. Smooth n clean with safety parameters. Spool maxed at 38psi instead of 46psi. Egts defueled around 1350degrees. It was a good example of tuned correctly imop. Now I have 2020 cummins. I have no intention of tuning it. Why? It does great, 1000lb plenty of power. Quiet as church mouse. :tup:Thanks for adding sanity to more power! :tup:
Post by: GASoline71 on January 10, 2021, 03:43:41 PM
Now I have 2020 cummins. I have no intention of tuning it. Why? It does great, 1000lb plenty of power. Quiet as church mouse. :tup:
I just bought a 2020 Cummins 3500 rated at 1K of TQ as well. Just pulled around 9k in a dump trailer and the truck didn't even know it was back there. :)
Gary
Post by: Mudman on January 10, 2021, 04:55:55 PM
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Post by: Jpmiller on January 10, 2021, 07:47:28 PM
On a recent trip to UT and back running highway speeds +5 averaged 26+ only needed 2 fuel stops between Winthrop and Payson UT with a 25 gal tank. Yes I am a happy camper with the results of the delete.
That's fantastic mileage there!
Post by: Grit dog on January 15, 2021, 10:37:30 PM
A straight pipe didn’t give you 4 mpg or even 1 mpg unless you’re previous exhaust had a potato in the pipe.Just don’t trade the truck in when you’re done with it. Dealer has to put all the emissions crap back on. My dealer says there’s no way around it for them. They just take that off the cost of the trade in. If ya sell it privately, it’s not an issue. Been considering doing this to my ‘14 DuramaxI have an 06 duramax, I know it doesn't have the def bs on it but I ordered a straight pipe from alligator performance in Idaho, and installed the edge computer. Improved my mileage from about 11 to 15.5 towing, long drives I've gotten up to 18+.
Post by: Grit dog on January 15, 2021, 10:38:51 PM
I have a 15 Ram fully deleted that i did myself that is awesome. It's lifted 2.5 inches sitting on 35 inch tires getting around 21 mpg's on the high way downhill.
Totally believable.
Post by: Grit dog on January 15, 2021, 10:42:33 PM
On a recent trip to UT and back running highway speeds +5 averaged 26+ only needed 2 fuel stops between Winthrop and Payson UT with a 25 gal tank. Yes I am a happy camper with the results of the delete.
Now the BS is getting really deep. Like trading your boots in for waders deep!
Post by: Dan-o on January 15, 2021, 10:52:50 PM
A straight pipe didn’t give you 4 mpg or even 1 mpg unless you’re previous exhaust had a potato in the pipe.Just don’t trade the truck in when you’re done with it. Dealer has to put all the emissions crap back on. My dealer says there’s no way around it for them. They just take that off the cost of the trade in. If ya sell it privately, it’s not an issue. Been considering doing this to my ‘14 DuramaxI have an 06 duramax, I know it doesn't have the def bs on it but I ordered a straight pipe from alligator performance in Idaho, and installed the edge computer. Improved my mileage from about 11 to 15.5 towing, long drives I've gotten up to 18+.
I get maddeningly close to 20 mpg out of my '06 if I take a long road trip and set my cruise at 70.
I've gotten as good as 19.6 on a 2,500 mile long trip.
It's basically stock.
Post by: spoonman on January 16, 2021, 07:50:13 AM
Post by: Mtnwalker on January 16, 2021, 09:31:44 AM
I have a 15 Ram fully deleted that i did myself that is awesome. It's lifted 2.5 inches sitting on 35 inch tires getting around 21 mpg's on the high way downhill.
Totally believable.
I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic here, but judging by your other comments I’m guessing yes. When I had my ‘12 done it took me from 15.8 to 21.6 on the same drive. Checked just before and just after the delete. I’m not running an adjustable tuner and had them keep the settings as close to stock as possible. 34” tires
Post by: predatorpro on January 16, 2021, 01:37:19 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on February 23, 2021, 02:30:57 PM
Im telling you what I did, and it’s more 16.5 mph than 15.5 towing. My truck is lifted with 35” tires, the only thing I forgot to mention was the edge computer allowed me to tell the tranny I had 35” tires and not stock.A straight pipe didn’t give you 4 mpg or even 1 mpg unless you’re previous exhaust had a potato in the pipe.Just don’t trade the truck in when you’re done with it. Dealer has to put all the emissions crap back on. My dealer says there’s no way around it for them. They just take that off the cost of the trade in. If ya sell it privately, it’s not an issue. Been considering doing this to my ‘14 DuramaxI have an 06 duramax, I know it doesn't have the def bs on it but I ordered a straight pipe from alligator performance in Idaho, and installed the edge computer. Improved my mileage from about 11 to 15.5 towing, long drives I've gotten up to 18+.
Post by: gutsnthegrass on February 24, 2021, 07:42:30 AM
The straight pipe helped, but I think the Edge is where you gained most of your mileage.Im telling you what I did, and it’s more 16.5 mph than 15.5 towing. My truck is lifted with 35” tires, the only thing I forgot to mention was the edge computer allowed me to tell the tranny I had 35” tires and not stock.A straight pipe didn’t give you 4 mpg or even 1 mpg unless you’re previous exhaust had a potato in the pipe.Just don’t trade the truck in when you’re done with it. Dealer has to put all the emissions crap back on. My dealer says there’s no way around it for them. They just take that off the cost of the trade in. If ya sell it privately, it’s not an issue. Been considering doing this to my ‘14 DuramaxI have an 06 duramax, I know it doesn't have the def bs on it but I ordered a straight pipe from alligator performance in Idaho, and installed the edge computer. Improved my mileage from about 11 to 15.5 towing, long drives I've gotten up to 18+.
Post by: trophyhunt on February 24, 2021, 08:02:50 AM
I agree.The straight pipe helped, but I think the Edge is where you gained most of your mileage.Im telling you what I did, and it’s more 16.5 mph than 15.5 towing. My truck is lifted with 35” tires, the only thing I forgot to mention was the edge computer allowed me to tell the tranny I had 35” tires and not stock.A straight pipe didn’t give you 4 mpg or even 1 mpg unless you’re previous exhaust had a potato in the pipe.Just don’t trade the truck in when you’re done with it. Dealer has to put all the emissions crap back on. My dealer says there’s no way around it for them. They just take that off the cost of the trade in. If ya sell it privately, it’s not an issue. Been considering doing this to my ‘14 DuramaxI have an 06 duramax, I know it doesn't have the def bs on it but I ordered a straight pipe from alligator performance in Idaho, and installed the edge computer. Improved my mileage from about 11 to 15.5 towing, long drives I've gotten up to 18+.
Post by: Matth on February 24, 2021, 09:12:05 AM
I have a 15 Ram fully deleted that i did myself that is awesome. It's lifted 2.5 inches sitting on 35 inch tires getting around 21 mpg's on the high way.
Which delete kit did you get? I also have a 15 that I’m about to do. Thinking about the race me tuner.
Sorry about that, haven't looked at this in a bit. MM3 tuner, and generic block off plates, also 4" strait pipe from the turbo back. I think the only thing you need to spend big money on is the tuner. I have done a few of these now for friends and the name brand delete kits that some of them have bought are not of any higher quality than the generic stuff. Since the original delete I have replaced the stock intake horn with a pusher intake, which drastically improved air flow, and am currently waiting on my fleece charger to show up.
Post by: JJB11B on February 24, 2021, 09:22:16 AM
The important thing to remember with all of this is that it's illegal to do. It's also illegal for shops to knowingly work on trucks that have had federal emissions equipment tampered with.with the real "Phat" tires with 2 inch offset and 1.5" wheel spacers to boot? probably has the tow mirrors out as well
It's a resale risk and a trade in risk.
Also after I don't know how many dozen 6.7 Powerstroke trucks I've seen here, I can't think of any DPF's we've replaced on one. A few EGR valves and a few EGR coolers here and there on the early 6.7's. Tampering with a perfectly good truck doesn't always pencil out. You're going to spend a few thousand bucks to save some gas money. How much driving do you have to do to make up the difference? How much driving are you going to do? Yes, you can make some more power, but how much power do you need? Those trucks are very powerful stock from the factory.
Most of the time I see this stuff done, it's done to a lifted 6.7 Super Duty on 24" wheels that will never see a trailer in it's backup camera. The truck is owned by a flat brim wearing bro country listener who lives in Bellevue and will never use(or need) the power the trucks make.
Post by: Matth on February 24, 2021, 09:33:40 AM
The important thing to remember with all of this is that it's illegal to do. It's also illegal for shops to knowingly work on trucks that have had federal emissions equipment tampered with.with the real "Phat" tires with 2 inch offset and 1.5" wheel spacers to boot? probably has the tow mirrors out as well
It's a resale risk and a trade in risk.
Also after I don't know how many dozen 6.7 Powerstroke trucks I've seen here, I can't think of any DPF's we've replaced on one. A few EGR valves and a few EGR coolers here and there on the early 6.7's. Tampering with a perfectly good truck doesn't always pencil out. You're going to spend a few thousand bucks to save some gas money. How much driving do you have to do to make up the difference? How much driving are you going to do? Yes, you can make some more power, but how much power do you need? Those trucks are very powerful stock from the factory.
Most of the time I see this stuff done, it's done to a lifted 6.7 Super Duty on 24" wheels that will never see a trailer in it's backup camera. The truck is owned by a flat brim wearing bro country listener who lives in Bellevue and will never use(or need) the power the trucks make.
Nope just a work truck that tows almost every day.
Post by: JJB11B on February 24, 2021, 09:39:20 AM
Mine too, I was talking about the guys Jackelope was referring to. IF I delete my 6.7 it'll have to wait about 88K miles, I just switched from a 6 Cyl. 6.7L to a V8 6.7L So far I like the Powerstroke a lot better.The important thing to remember with all of this is that it's illegal to do. It's also illegal for shops to knowingly work on trucks that have had federal emissions equipment tampered with.with the real "Phat" tires with 2 inch offset and 1.5" wheel spacers to boot? probably has the tow mirrors out as well
It's a resale risk and a trade in risk.
Also after I don't know how many dozen 6.7 Powerstroke trucks I've seen here, I can't think of any DPF's we've replaced on one. A few EGR valves and a few EGR coolers here and there on the early 6.7's. Tampering with a perfectly good truck doesn't always pencil out. You're going to spend a few thousand bucks to save some gas money. How much driving do you have to do to make up the difference? How much driving are you going to do? Yes, you can make some more power, but how much power do you need? Those trucks are very powerful stock from the factory.
Most of the time I see this stuff done, it's done to a lifted 6.7 Super Duty on 24" wheels that will never see a trailer in it's backup camera. The truck is owned by a flat brim wearing bro country listener who lives in Bellevue and will never use(or need) the power the trucks make.
Nope just a work truck that tows almost every day.
Post by: Woodchuck on February 24, 2021, 09:46:55 AM
You dumped the Dodge and bought a Ford? Congrats on the promotion man. :hello:Mine too, I was talking about the guys Jackelope was referring to. IF I delete my 6.7 it'll have to wait about 88K miles, I just switched from a 6 Cyl. 6.7L to a V8 6.7L So far I like the Powerstroke a lot better.The important thing to remember with all of this is that it's illegal to do. It's also illegal for shops to knowingly work on trucks that have had federal emissions equipment tampered with.with the real "Phat" tires with 2 inch offset and 1.5" wheel spacers to boot? probably has the tow mirrors out as well
It's a resale risk and a trade in risk.
Also after I don't know how many dozen 6.7 Powerstroke trucks I've seen here, I can't think of any DPF's we've replaced on one. A few EGR valves and a few EGR coolers here and there on the early 6.7's. Tampering with a perfectly good truck doesn't always pencil out. You're going to spend a few thousand bucks to save some gas money. How much driving do you have to do to make up the difference? How much driving are you going to do? Yes, you can make some more power, but how much power do you need? Those trucks are very powerful stock from the factory.
Most of the time I see this stuff done, it's done to a lifted 6.7 Super Duty on 24" wheels that will never see a trailer in it's backup camera. The truck is owned by a flat brim wearing bro country listener who lives in Bellevue and will never use(or need) the power the trucks make.
Nope just a work truck that tows almost every day.
Post by: JJB11B on February 24, 2021, 09:50:02 AM
after the 2018 Cummins had the rear main seal replaced a second time, at 34K miles. I started looking and I missed my old F350 In may I found a F350 Lariet New, and they were doing 0% for 60 months at the timeYou dumped the Dodge and bought a Ford? Congrats on the promotion man. :hello:Mine too, I was talking about the guys Jackelope was referring to. IF I delete my 6.7 it'll have to wait about 88K miles, I just switched from a 6 Cyl. 6.7L to a V8 6.7L So far I like the Powerstroke a lot better.The important thing to remember with all of this is that it's illegal to do. It's also illegal for shops to knowingly work on trucks that have had federal emissions equipment tampered with.with the real "Phat" tires with 2 inch offset and 1.5" wheel spacers to boot? probably has the tow mirrors out as well
It's a resale risk and a trade in risk.
Also after I don't know how many dozen 6.7 Powerstroke trucks I've seen here, I can't think of any DPF's we've replaced on one. A few EGR valves and a few EGR coolers here and there on the early 6.7's. Tampering with a perfectly good truck doesn't always pencil out. You're going to spend a few thousand bucks to save some gas money. How much driving do you have to do to make up the difference? How much driving are you going to do? Yes, you can make some more power, but how much power do you need? Those trucks are very powerful stock from the factory.
Most of the time I see this stuff done, it's done to a lifted 6.7 Super Duty on 24" wheels that will never see a trailer in it's backup camera. The truck is owned by a flat brim wearing bro country listener who lives in Bellevue and will never use(or need) the power the trucks make.
Nope just a work truck that tows almost every day.
Post by: Encore 280 on February 24, 2021, 09:53:21 AM
Post by: Matth on February 24, 2021, 10:09:05 AM
Mine too, I was talking about the guys Jackelope was referring to. IF I delete my 6.7 it'll have to wait about 88K miles, I just switched from a 6 Cyl. 6.7L to a V8 6.7L So far I like the Powerstroke a lot better.The important thing to remember with all of this is that it's illegal to do. It's also illegal for shops to knowingly work on trucks that have had federal emissions equipment tampered with.with the real "Phat" tires with 2 inch offset and 1.5" wheel spacers to boot? probably has the tow mirrors out as well
It's a resale risk and a trade in risk.
Also after I don't know how many dozen 6.7 Powerstroke trucks I've seen here, I can't think of any DPF's we've replaced on one. A few EGR valves and a few EGR coolers here and there on the early 6.7's. Tampering with a perfectly good truck doesn't always pencil out. You're going to spend a few thousand bucks to save some gas money. How much driving do you have to do to make up the difference? How much driving are you going to do? Yes, you can make some more power, but how much power do you need? Those trucks are very powerful stock from the factory.
Most of the time I see this stuff done, it's done to a lifted 6.7 Super Duty on 24" wheels that will never see a trailer in it's backup camera. The truck is owned by a flat brim wearing bro country listener who lives in Bellevue and will never use(or need) the power the trucks make.
Nope just a work truck that tows almost every day.
All good man. I have both currently in the fleet, and use to have 1 6.6L but we quickly sent it down the road. seemed like we were always working on the front end of it. I like both of the 6.7's , but i will say that it seems like we have to run the powerstrokes harder to get them to preform in a heavy towing applications, but so far they don't seem to mind being pushed, one of them has almost 300k on it.
Post by: Special T on February 24, 2021, 12:29:32 PM
One of the reasons I'm keeping my older pre emission dodges is for the commercial use. You don't want to roll over a scale or get a roadside proctology exam by the. Commercial Vehicle Enforment officer with a delete or tuner installed.
My dodge buddies with delete kits love them.
Post by: jackelope on February 24, 2021, 01:18:36 PM
I think it's all just for male anatomy enhancement. :chuckle: But I do like my 09 F350 Lariat with the 6 sp. manual and egr delete. :tup:
Probably the best use of a delete out of any of the trucks in this thread.
The 6.4 will go a long way like that.
Post by: jackelope on February 24, 2021, 01:22:16 PM
Post by: Encore 280 on February 24, 2021, 04:06:59 PM
Post by: Matth on February 24, 2021, 04:58:29 PM
Seem's kinda weird to me to pay $50, $60, $70 grand on a truck and not be happy with it then sink a bunch more into it. :dunno: Way more $$ than I have to throw around. :chuckle:It's a game. It's like buying a rifle then upgrading the trigger, stock, etc. Build a better mouse trap.
Post by: trophyhunt on February 24, 2021, 06:06:33 PM
and these trucks have so much more potential that’s suppressed.Seem's kinda weird to me to pay $50, $60, $70 grand on a truck and not be happy with it then sink a bunch more into it. :dunno: Way more $$ than I have to throw around. :chuckle:It's a game. It's like buying a rifle then upgrading the trigger, stock, etc. Build a better mouse trap.
Post by: Matth on February 25, 2021, 06:42:53 AM
Post by: hunt6226 on February 27, 2021, 09:34:42 PM
Went with the RaceME Ultra controller and a 5” straight pipe from the turbo back.
Happy with the extra juice but getting quite a bit if drone in the cab. Not good for. My old ears :)
Any suggestions on a muffler etc to reduce the noise?
Post by: Timberstalker on February 28, 2021, 06:13:05 AM
Post by: gutsnthegrass on March 01, 2021, 08:13:13 AM
I have a 2016 Ram 2500. Did the DPF and EGR delete.
Went with the RaceME Ultra controller and a 5” straight pipe from the turbo back.
Happy with the extra juice but getting quite a bit if drone in the cab. Not good for. My old ears :)
Any suggestions on a muffler etc to reduce the noise?
MBRP makes a "quiet tone" muffler that worked pretty good on mine.
Post by: Matth on March 01, 2021, 08:23:14 AM
:yeah:I have a 2016 Ram 2500. Did the DPF and EGR delete.
Went with the RaceME Ultra controller and a 5” straight pipe from the turbo back.
Happy with the extra juice but getting quite a bit if drone in the cab. Not good for. My old ears :)
Any suggestions on a muffler etc to reduce the noise?
MBRP makes a "quiet tone" muffler that worked pretty good on mine.
Post by: hunt6226 on March 01, 2021, 10:46:15 AM
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