Post by: danderson on June 30, 2020, 09:34:59 AM
Post by: fisheral87 on June 30, 2020, 09:41:51 AM
I’m not arguing against a 18” 20ga, just suggesting a backup that might avoid some of the legal challenges you asked about.
Al
Post by: Cougartail on June 30, 2020, 09:45:46 AM
Post by: danderson on June 30, 2020, 09:50:13 AM
Post by: 300rum on June 30, 2020, 09:50:48 AM
Post by: Cougartail on June 30, 2020, 09:51:10 AM
This might be an unpopular comment but, What about a taser?
I’m not arguing against a 18” 20ga, just suggesting a backup that might avoid some of the legal challenges you asked about.
Al
Everybody who carries should have a nonlethal weapon also. (Ie. spray) That way when you shoot someone you can argue it was necessary and you did have options. Also some just need a spray or jolt. :chuckle:
Post by: stlusn30-06 on June 30, 2020, 09:54:31 AM
A 9mm SBR. Teach her how to shoot it. Put a red dot on, point and shoot. Pretty much zero recoil so she can stay on target for follow ups, huge mag capacity.
Do you have kids? If so, you don't have to worry so much about rounds going through walls.
Post by: Stein on June 30, 2020, 10:05:53 AM
If it were me, I would have a semi-auto 20 gauge right out of the box with wood stocks. It's about as effective and easy to operate as any firearm out there and has tremendous capabilities to stop bad guys.
As a bonus, you can take it out hunting or shooting clays.
Post by: birdshooter1189 on June 30, 2020, 11:11:11 AM
Post by: Widgeondeke on June 30, 2020, 11:37:17 AM
a nice semi-auto choice if you can find one is the Bull Pups, they are small and have pistol grip :tup:
if wanting the smaller guage. Look at the Henry X, its a .410 lever gun. it can hold 6 rounds of self defense shells :drool:
That is my :twocents:
Post by: MADMAX on June 30, 2020, 11:38:38 AM
And agree with the spray As well
If your concerned with 2 legged problems
A can of black flag wasp spray works well I hear
And can be kept in plain sight for a fast grab
Post by: KFhunter on June 30, 2020, 11:39:35 AM
This might be an unpopular comment but, What about a taser?No, tasers have low success rate even with trained police
I’m not arguing against a 18” 20ga, just suggesting a backup that might avoid some of the legal challenges you asked about.
Al
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Post by: KFhunter on June 30, 2020, 11:41:09 AM
I think it would work very nice
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Post by: OutHouse on June 30, 2020, 11:49:13 AM
Post by: baldopepper on June 30, 2020, 11:54:40 AM
Post by: bustedoldman on June 30, 2020, 12:07:43 PM
Post by: jrebel on June 30, 2020, 12:10:03 PM
1. AR pistol / SBR if shouldered in 300 blackout with a can. Clearly the can is optional but it sure makes it nice to shoot subsonic rounds indoors without losing your hearing and becoming disoriented.
2. keltec Sub2000 in 40 s&w with a 22 round magazine. Put a red dot on top and it is super accurate to 100 yards.
3. Tactical 20 gauge pump shotgun with collapsible stock and extended tube.
Post by: baldopepper on June 30, 2020, 12:40:17 PM
Post by: TooTallMike on June 30, 2020, 12:42:25 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on June 30, 2020, 12:52:41 PM
Post by: 2MANY on June 30, 2020, 01:03:04 PM
Post by: bornhunter on June 30, 2020, 01:12:09 PM
Post by: C-Money on June 30, 2020, 02:10:37 PM
Post by: robescc on June 30, 2020, 02:26:35 PM
Post by: buckfvr on June 30, 2020, 02:28:14 PM
Post by: BKMFR on June 30, 2020, 03:03:03 PM
It works for us.... :twocents:
Post by: WapitiTalk1 on June 30, 2020, 03:09:41 PM
A big scary dog that lets her know its time to grab the 20 guage.
Ding ding, winner! Nothing sais "I know you're there, time to leave or face the consequences" like a few big dogs charging the fence and/or a house entrance door (good to have the doggie door to maximize the big dog, slime ball deterrent method effectiveness). And yes, the audible "chunk, chunk" of chambering a round in a pump shotgun drives the message home in earnest.
Post by: Buzz2401 on June 30, 2020, 03:15:19 PM
Small frame wheel gun like a 38
And agree with the spray As well
If your concerned with 2 legged problems
A can of black flag wasp spray works well I hear
And can be kept in plain sight for a fast grab
I'm a strong proponent for small 38 revolvers for self defense. Almost nothing to get wrong or malfunction. Point pull trigger. Its my wifes carry choice and most of the time mine also and I have plenty of options.
Post by: Bob33 on June 30, 2020, 03:22:04 PM
Post by: MADMAX on June 30, 2020, 03:24:08 PM
Home in the dark , you don’t miss
Post by: jay.sharkbait on June 30, 2020, 03:31:14 PM
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Post by: Mudman on June 30, 2020, 06:19:09 PM
Post by: Fl0und3rz on June 30, 2020, 06:50:43 PM
20 gauge youth model Remington 870 express, pump action. I still have mine and its short enough to make sense in doors.
I have one, and these are pretty compact and lightweight. Perhaps with a lighter load it would be acceptable.
We are a nation of Riflemen, not tasermen or shotgun men or pistol men. Get an AR for her.
If you are worried about recoil, this is the perfect SD/HD option, especially in the country, where it could double as varmint control, I'd imagine.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on June 30, 2020, 06:51:34 PM
The AR pistols in 300 would probably be a good option too.
Post by: jrebel on June 30, 2020, 07:13:40 PM
Post by: Oldguy on June 30, 2020, 07:21:18 PM
Post by: danderson on June 30, 2020, 07:26:55 PM
Post by: lewy on June 30, 2020, 08:04:44 PM
Post by: ghosthunter on June 30, 2020, 09:07:06 PM
Once loaded she can hold most threats till back up comes. 14 rounds.
https://www.cabelas.com/product/Kel-Tec-KSG-Pump-Action-Tactical-Shotgun/2286481.uts
Post by: bornhunter on June 30, 2020, 09:10:14 PM
Also love the idea of the coach shotgun. Round count is an issue but very effective.
:tup:
Post by: NitRally on June 30, 2020, 09:11:15 PM
A youth 20 gauge shotgun, pretty simple and no aiming needed.
Dude you still have to aim a shotgun, especially in close quarters. quit perpetuating stupid *censored* like that.
Post by: Stein on June 30, 2020, 09:17:19 PM
My worry about rifles is that they can go through several walls. Hitting the bad guy is important, equally so, if not more is not hitting anyone else.
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Post by: Fl0und3rz on June 30, 2020, 09:19:33 PM
Also love the idea of the coach shotgun. Round count is an issue but very effective.
:tup:
If I went that route, it would be a more expensive one, and it would be relentlessly tested and/or tuned up by a smith. The cheaper ones from Brazil are not necessarily something I would hand to someone for SD/HD.
Post by: NitRally on June 30, 2020, 09:34:24 PM
You don’t aim a shotgun, you point it. That’s what people that are far better than I say.
My worry about rifles is that they can go through several walls. Hitting the bad guy is important, equally so, if not more is not hitting anyone else.
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Applicable to trap shooting. Not when youre 5-10 feet away from your target.
Post by: dreadi on June 30, 2020, 10:06:49 PM
If you're really concerned about her defending her self inside the home, get whatever it is she's going to have readily available and put a suppressor on it. Then have her train (see above) with those firearms, with subsonic ammo. Nothing rings your bell like shooting with no hearing protection, even more so indoors.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on June 30, 2020, 10:22:43 PM
"Honey! You need a new pistol and a suppressor for inside the house SD/HD."
"I what?"
Post by: KFhunter on June 30, 2020, 11:01:02 PM
Thanks for the great suggestions, I'm still not sure what I'll get her but I'm leaning towards a youth model 20 gauge pump, or a AR in .223 or 30 caliber.Those 20 ga youth pumps have a helluva kick!
I bought one then nearly gave my kid the flinch.
Why I now have the auto
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Post by: KFhunter on June 30, 2020, 11:02:44 PM
Now that's not a bad idea. If it is not a thread jack, what sort of courses do people recommend.There's getting to be a lot of women trainers who specialize in training those soccer moms
"Honey! You need a new pistol and a suppressor for inside the house SD/HD."
"I what?"
I'd recommend that
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Post by: KFhunter on June 30, 2020, 11:04:24 PM
Now that's not a bad idea. If it is not a thread jack, what sort of courses do people recommend.Suppressed adds weight to the front, might be an issue, also not so good for edc...which is the next step
"Honey! You need a new pistol and a suppressor for inside the house SD/HD."
"I what?"
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Post by: dreadi on June 30, 2020, 11:32:50 PM
Yeah those AR pistols are already a burden to conceal.Now that's not a bad idea. If it is not a thread jack, what sort of courses do people recommend.Suppressed adds weight to the front, might be an issue, also not so good for edc...which is the next step
"Honey! You need a new pistol and a suppressor for inside the house SD/HD."
"I what?"
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Post by: jasnt on July 01, 2020, 05:45:31 AM
Post by: konradcountry on July 01, 2020, 08:54:08 AM
I don't think gauge matters much since you can buy low recoil shells.
I think practice is more important than pump or semi.
You don't want someone fumbling with either in a heated moment.
If it is someone that rarely shoots then get the coach.
Post by: ne kid on July 01, 2020, 09:15:08 AM
Post by: fisheral87 on July 01, 2020, 12:50:43 PM
Again, not arguing against a shotgun or rifle, I prefer to have options.
Al
Post by: Bob33 on July 01, 2020, 12:58:39 PM
Post by: OutHouse on July 01, 2020, 02:09:55 PM
20 gauge youth model Remington 870 express, pump action. I still have mine and its short enough to make sense in doors.
I have one, and these are pretty compact and lightweight. Perhaps with a lighter load it would be acceptable.We are a nation of Riflemen, not tasermen or shotgun men or pistol men. Get an AR for her.
If you are worried about recoil, this is the perfect SD/HD option, especially in the country, where it could double as varmint control, I'd imagine.
Agreed. I was thinking on the 870 youth don't really need high base to dump someone at close range. Low base target load would probably do the trick and save the shoulder.
Post by: huntingfool7 on July 01, 2020, 03:30:30 PM
Also love the idea of the coach shotgun. Round count is an issue but very effective.
:tup:
If I went that route, it would be a more expensive one, and it would be relentlessly tested and/or tuned up by a smith. The cheaper ones from Brazil are not necessarily something I would hand to someone for SD/HD.
With ejectors rather than extractors.
Post by: b23 on July 01, 2020, 04:24:30 PM
Post by: jrebel on July 01, 2020, 04:54:43 PM
Also love the idea of the coach shotgun. Round count is an issue but very effective.
:tup:
If I went that route, it would be a more expensive one, and it would be relentlessly tested and/or tuned up by a smith. The cheaper ones from Brazil are not necessarily something I would hand to someone for SD/HD.
With ejectors rather than extractors.
About a simple a gun as you can find....not sure why the cheaper ones wouldn't work. Have you ever had one fail to fire? My stoeger coach gun shoots awesome and is a heck of lot of fun. My 10 year handles it fine and loves to shoot it with target loads. They can be a little heavy though.....even with the short barrels.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on July 01, 2020, 05:00:02 PM
And, by reports, they do slick up well enough, with competent attention and work to smooth the action, lighten the hammer springs (internal), and polish the chambers for easy extraction. But the lightening of the hammer springs risks light primer strikes.
Minishells out of it was a hoot, though.
Post by: wadu1 on July 01, 2020, 05:01:40 PM
Nothing wrong with a Stoeger, I've go close to 1,500K down the tubes without one failure to fire. That includes 2 3/4 target, 3" heavy hunting loads and 00 Buck.Also love the idea of the coach shotgun. Round count is an issue but very effective.
:tup:
If I went that route, it would be a more expensive one, and it would be relentlessly tested and/or tuned up by a smith. The cheaper ones from Brazil are not necessarily something I would hand to someone for SD/HD.
With ejectors rather than extractors.
About a simple a gun as you can find....not sure why the cheaper ones wouldn't work. Have you ever had one fail to fire? My stoeger coach gun shoots awesome and is a heck of lot of fun. My 10 year handles it fine and loves to shoot it with target loads. They can be a little heavy though.....even with the short barrels.
Post by: Windwalker on July 01, 2020, 10:38:54 PM
Not sure how to post a gif- here is a link for something cool though.
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Post by: danderson on July 03, 2020, 07:12:05 PM
Post by: Fl0und3rz on July 03, 2020, 10:13:47 PM
Check the what would Stoner do project for lightweight carbine ideas.
Post by: SGTDuffman on July 03, 2020, 10:48:45 PM
She has decided on a AR-15, .223 caliber, now we just need to figure out what makes sense for her. she's petite
Build her a “pistol”. BCM has lightweight fluted barrels in 11.5”. You could make something very light and handy.
Post by: stlusn30-06 on July 06, 2020, 02:05:15 PM
She has decided on a AR-15, .223 caliber, now we just need to figure out what makes sense for her. she's petite
Tell her to watch what is on the other side of the walls behind the target. I know people love ARs and .223 for home defense, but a .223 defense round will rip through a couple layers of drywall no problem. It can be a sketchy round for a house full of people.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on July 07, 2020, 11:47:55 AM
As to ARs in 5.56/.223, I have a polymer/carbon collapsible stock carbine that is unbelievably light. It has a pencil barrel, and that helps keep the weight WAY down. It is so handy that I am building a pencil barrel AR with aluminum receivers for my everyday AR. Another thing I noticed that a standard milspec buffer tube and collapsible stock is much lighter than some of the aftermarket options like a VLTOR tube and IMOD.
Check out the What Would Stoner Do series from InRange TV for some ideas.
Conclusion:
Post by: Hillbilly Zen on July 07, 2020, 12:12:19 PM
Post by: danderson on July 07, 2020, 12:12:44 PM
Post by: Alchase on July 08, 2020, 08:15:20 PM
I handed her my m&p15 with a red dot and told her to put the dot where you want the bullet to go.
She was surprisingly consistent from 25 and 50 yards.
Definitely good enough for defense at home.
She also shot my Steiner P4xi 1-4 variable very well.
But she likes the red dot a lot, though she tends to giggle a bit when she shoots, LOL
Post by: Jingles on July 08, 2020, 08:42:10 PM
Post by: KFhunter on July 09, 2020, 09:09:09 AM
(https://welikeshooting.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/IMG_20180825_131632-e1535217891195-971x640.jpg)
It needs a weapon light w/ laser
Post by: Igottanewknee on July 09, 2020, 03:21:31 PM
We are a nation of Riflemen, not tasermen or shotgun men or pistol men. Get an AR for her.
:yeah:
I feel just a little bit more manly owning an AR and reading that... :tup: