Post by: Boyd1212 on July 13, 2020, 06:12:37 PM
Post by: JakeLand on July 13, 2020, 06:29:08 PM
But they look cool !!
Post by: huntandjeep on July 13, 2020, 07:58:03 PM
Not a fan of turbo gas engine on a off road rigHaha you actually think the owners will take them off road :chuckle:
But they look cool !!
Post by: time2hunt on July 13, 2020, 08:31:53 PM
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Post by: follow maggie on July 13, 2020, 10:16:57 PM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on July 13, 2020, 10:27:50 PM
Not a fan of turbo gas engine on a off road rig
But they look cool !!
Low range keep the revs up! Turbo lag can be horribly annoying tho if system not designed well. The wrangler lil turbo works well.
Post by: buglebrush on July 13, 2020, 10:42:39 PM
Post by: KFhunter on July 13, 2020, 11:03:06 PM
Post by: Jellymon on July 13, 2020, 11:46:41 PM
Post by: Bango skank on July 14, 2020, 12:20:06 AM
Post by: JakeLand on July 14, 2020, 04:31:42 AM
Only available in 2.3l and 2.7l and manual only in the 2.3. Ill pass.exactly my thoughts .way under powered for the size of the rig but that’s getting to be the norm manufacturers think all’s we want in a “truck” is gas mileage. If I wanted gas mileage I’d by a Hyundai speed bump
Post by: 10Key on July 14, 2020, 06:16:30 AM
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Post by: spoonman on July 14, 2020, 06:53:32 AM
Post by: Boyd1212 on July 14, 2020, 06:56:54 AM
Way underpowered, have you driven a 2.7? I am guessing no.Actually I drive one every day. Plenty of power in that truck. It’s not the 5.0 but it’s got plenty. I wouldn’t actually buy a truck or bronco with the 2.7 but it’s not a bad motor at all.
Post by: Wanttohuntmore on July 14, 2020, 07:47:40 AM
Post by: 10thmountainarcher on July 14, 2020, 07:54:45 AM
Ford dropped the ball on this. Putting such a small power plant in a American classic redo is ridiculous. This thing is screaming for a 5.0! Not a Jeep killer and never will be.
Have you ever rode in their competitor (Wrangler)? Trust me, the 2.7 is far more potent. I own a ‘15 with the 3.6 and that thing is a gutless wonder.
Post by: KFhunter on July 14, 2020, 08:04:30 AM
Way underpowered, have you driven a 2.7? I am guessing no.Wouldn't it be pretty high strung for crawling around?
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Post by: OutHouse on July 14, 2020, 08:18:15 AM
Ford dropped the ball on this. Putting such a small power plant in a American classic redo is ridiculous. This thing is screaming for a 5.0! Not a Jeep killer and never will be.
Have you ever rode in their competitor (Wrangler)? Trust me, the 2.7 is far more potent. I own a ‘15 with the 3.6 and that thing is a gutless wonder.
I don't know anything about the 2.7 but I was surprised at how the newer Wranglers seemed under powered. I think they should have kept the straight six and perhaps made it bigger. From a 4.0 to 4.4 with some extras would have plenty of power IMO
Post by: Hillbilly Zen on July 14, 2020, 08:22:55 AM
Post by: b23 on July 14, 2020, 08:55:23 AM
I'm sure they'll be plenty capable off road but who's going to get very serious about off roading one of these things when the cost of some of the loaded up ones will probably be over $70K
Post by: magnanimous_j on July 14, 2020, 09:10:30 AM
This video lays out a lot of the features. Its got some serious off-road credentials. Like a actual 7 speed stick with dedicated rock crawling gear 8)
I'm really impressed with how comprehensive this rollout is. It would have been really easy to release a couple of trim lines and then a Raptor version in a year and call it a day. But this new Bronco has 3 different configurations, 8 different trims and 4 packages that can applied to any of them. Including one that's totally stripped down for total customization.
I don't think they have a high-lux version or a high-performance version yet but other than those, its pretty impressive that they are able to compete with Jeeps whole line on day 1.
Post by: Angry Perch on July 14, 2020, 09:10:46 AM
Post by: Jellymon on July 14, 2020, 09:24:24 AM
Ford dropped the ball on this. Putting such a small power plant in a American classic redo is ridiculous. This thing is screaming for a 5.0! Not a Jeep killer and never will be.
Have you ever rode in their competitor (Wrangler)? Trust me, the 2.7 is far more potent. I own a ‘15 with the 3.6 and that thing is a gutless wonder.
Your not allowed to complain, my 2008 has the 3.8. :chuckle:
I've heard the 8 speed tranny on the JL 3.6 makes a huge difference.
Post by: 10Key on July 14, 2020, 09:24:51 AM
Post by: timberfaller on July 14, 2020, 09:28:56 AM
Would have been the perfect time to bring back the 300 straight six. Now that was an engine!!
:tup: plus 1 :tup:
Post by: bornhunter on July 14, 2020, 09:37:14 AM
Post by: 10thmountainarcher on July 14, 2020, 10:54:47 AM
Ford dropped the ball on this. Putting such a small power plant in a American classic redo is ridiculous. This thing is screaming for a 5.0! Not a Jeep killer and never will be.
Have you ever rode in their competitor (Wrangler)? Trust me, the 2.7 is far more potent. I own a ‘15 with the 3.6 and that thing is a gutless wonder.
Your not allowed to complain, my 2008 has the 3.8. :chuckle:
I've heard the 8 speed tranny on the JL 3.6 makes a huge difference.
:chuckle: I have rode in a 2019, but haven’t drove one. They are a lot nicer overall though that’s for sure. I’m excited for the bronco to finally hit the streets.
Post by: OutHouse on July 14, 2020, 11:30:20 AM
Post by: Fl0und3rz on July 14, 2020, 11:32:48 AM
Looks like the package I'd be interested in starts around 50k. I think I will just lift my taco, do alignment, and put some 33s on and call it good.
Probably end up with better resale and more capable rig. It's hard to beat a Taco. I still miss my 1990 SR5. With the stock IFS and 33s, it was like a Cadillac in the hills.
Post by: OutHouse on July 14, 2020, 11:51:36 AM
Looks like the package I'd be interested in starts around 50k. I think I will just lift my taco, do alignment, and put some 33s on and call it good.
Probably end up with better resale and more capable rig. It's hard to beat a Taco. I still miss my 1990 SR5. With the stock IFS and 33s, it was like a Cadillac in the hills.
Ha ha nice my buddy has that same 1990 SR5 to this day with a lift and 33s. It's a blast in the hills and very capable for sure. It got us to some new ground for morel hunting this year that I would not have made with my taco in present condition.
Post by: bhawley76 on July 14, 2020, 12:20:43 PM
Post by: Pathfinder101 on July 14, 2020, 12:30:13 PM
Still not a cool as the old broncos :twocents:
When I think of how many 1960-70s Broncos we put in the graveyard when I was in high school I cringe. :'(
I like the option for the 7 speed manual transmission with the granny gear, but if I ever buy a "truck" in 4 cyl, you can go ahead and shoot me... :P
Post by: Bango skank on July 14, 2020, 12:55:28 PM
Still not a cool as the old broncos :twocents:
When I think of how many 1960-70s Broncos we put in the graveyard when I was in high school I cringe. :'(
I like the option for the 7 speed manual transmission with the granny gear, but if I ever buy a "truck" in 4 cyl, you can go ahead and shoot me... :P
And the manual is only available in the 2.3l
Post by: jackelope on July 14, 2020, 01:49:40 PM
The 2.7 is twin turboed, there ain't lag. 380+ ft lbs under 3000 rpm...its a better curve than the 5.0 yote. Those that think it is not a powerful plant have the 10 speed...you put that tranny in Sport mode and mash it and it pulls from a dig all the way to 5000.
If you want to get technical, it's not a twin turbo. It's a bi-turbo or dual turbo or whatever you want to call it. There's a little turbo that spools at low RPM and a normal turbo that spools up normally. The little turbo eliminates 99% of turbo lag. You can buy an F150 with that engine that would be rated to tow 7500 pounds and will handle it in it's sleep. It's a much more powerful engine than some of you guys think.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on July 14, 2020, 01:51:20 PM
Post by: jackelope on July 14, 2020, 01:53:17 PM
I will take your word for it, but it is still no American V8, and that seems like a giant missed opportunity, even if you're going to stick IFS up front.
I wouldn't disagree with that sentiment at all. I wouldn't buy a 2.7 F150 simply on the premise that it doesn't sound like a truck engine should.
Post by: Angry Perch on July 14, 2020, 02:03:03 PM
I will take your word for it, but it is still no American V8, and that seems like a giant missed opportunity, even if you're going to stick IFS up front.
I wouldn't disagree with that sentiment at all. I wouldn't buy a 2.7 F150 simply on the premise that it doesn't sound like a truck engine should.
Well, if we'd get rid of this stupid metric system, it'd be 5.7 pints, and by golly a 5.7 sounds like a truck engine!
Post by: Fl0und3rz on July 14, 2020, 02:10:50 PM
Post by: Hi-Liter on July 14, 2020, 02:17:57 PM
Only available in 2.3l and 2.7l and manual only in the 2.3. Ill pass.exactly my thoughts .way under powered for the size of the rig but that’s getting to be the norm manufacturers think all’s we want in a “truck” is gas mileage. If I wanted gas mileage I’d by a Hyundai speed bump
Same here probably a gutless V6 like the Toyota motor with the eco crap on it. I had a Toyota 4 runner with eco boost V6 and it was a dog. And a 2.7L with 35 inch tires, BS
Post by: Angry Perch on July 14, 2020, 02:23:46 PM
Only available in 2.3l and 2.7l and manual only in the 2.3. Ill pass.exactly my thoughts .way under powered for the size of the rig but that’s getting to be the norm manufacturers think all’s we want in a “truck” is gas mileage. If I wanted gas mileage I’d by a Hyundai speed bump
Same here probably a gutless V6 like the Toyota motor with the eco crap on it. I had a Toyota 4 runner with eco boost V6 and it was a dog. And a 2.7L with 35 inch tires, BS
It's got more power than all of the original Broncos.
Post by: Hi-Liter on July 14, 2020, 02:27:29 PM
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Post by: magnanimous_j on July 14, 2020, 03:07:36 PM
Only available in 2.3l and 2.7l and manual only in the 2.3. Ill pass.exactly my thoughts .way under powered for the size of the rig but that’s getting to be the norm manufacturers think all’s we want in a “truck” is gas mileage. If I wanted gas mileage I’d by a Hyundai speed bump
Same here probably a gutless V6 like the Toyota motor with the eco crap on it. I had a Toyota 4 runner with eco boost V6 and it was a dog. And a 2.7L with 35 inch tires, BS
It's got more power than all of the original Broncos.
The base model Bronco has better Horsepower and Torque than the high performance version of the original 289 motor they put in the Mustangs.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on July 14, 2020, 03:08:47 PM
:chuckle:
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Post by: Fl0und3rz on July 14, 2020, 03:27:14 PM
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Post by: Hi-Liter on July 14, 2020, 03:39:44 PM
Only available in 2.3l and 2.7l and manual only in the 2.3. Ill pass.exactly my thoughts .way under powered for the size of the rig but that’s getting to be the norm manufacturers think all’s we want in a “truck” is gas mileage. If I wanted gas mileage I’d by a Hyundai speed bump
Same here probably a gutless V6 like the Toyota motor with the eco crap on it. I had a Toyota 4 runner with eco boost V6 and it was a dog. And a 2.7L with 35 inch tires, BS
It's got more power than all of the original Broncos.
The base model Bronco has better Horsepower and Torque than the high performance version of the original 289 motor they put in the Mustangs.
What's on paper and what hits the trail are completely different. Gutless wonder. Just a stock bronco weighs 4500 pounds, to 310 horsepower 2.7L, not good once loaded, with fuel, people winch etc.
And another shame to the New Bronco is IFS, what a joke. I guess it will be the best pavement pounder.
Post by: magnanimous_j on July 14, 2020, 03:50:25 PM
Only available in 2.3l and 2.7l and manual only in the 2.3. Ill pass.exactly my thoughts .way under powered for the size of the rig but that’s getting to be the norm manufacturers think all’s we want in a “truck” is gas mileage. If I wanted gas mileage I’d by a Hyundai speed bump
Same here probably a gutless V6 like the Toyota motor with the eco crap on it. I had a Toyota 4 runner with eco boost V6 and it was a dog. And a 2.7L with 35 inch tires, BS
It's got more power than all of the original Broncos.
The base model Bronco has better Horsepower and Torque than the high performance version of the original 289 motor they put in the Mustangs.
What's on paper and what hits the trail are completely different. Gutless wonder. Just a stock bronco weighs 4500 pounds, to 310 horsepower 2.7L, not good once loaded, with fuel, people winch etc.
And another shame to the New Bronco is IFS, what a joke. I guess it will be the best pavement pounder.
I'm sure there will be plenty of hands on reviews on youtube soon enough.
Given how long the Bronco was in production, how comprehensive their rollout is and the fact that Ford has plenty of bigger motors already that they could have put in it, my guess is that the engineers thought this through.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on July 14, 2020, 04:07:07 PM
Post by: Stein on July 14, 2020, 04:48:12 PM
Except for jets, diesels and outboards, those are anomalies.
I remember hearing the same arguments about carburetors vs injection not so long ago.
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Post by: KFhunter on July 14, 2020, 05:08:27 PM
The 2.7 is twin turboed, there ain't lag. 380+ ft lbs under 3000 rpm...its a better curve than the 5.0 yote. Those that think it is not a powerful plant have the 10 speed...you put that tranny in Sport mode and mash it and it pulls from a dig all the way to 5000.Guys will LOVE that boost when they head for the mountain peaks
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Post by: jackelope on July 14, 2020, 05:24:12 PM
Only available in 2.3l and 2.7l and manual only in the 2.3. Ill pass.exactly my thoughts .way under powered for the size of the rig but that’s getting to be the norm manufacturers think all’s we want in a “truck” is gas mileage. If I wanted gas mileage I’d by a Hyundai speed bump
Same here probably a gutless V6 like the Toyota motor with the eco crap on it. I had a Toyota 4 runner with eco boost V6 and it was a dog. And a 2.7L with 35 inch tires, BS
Another person who has never driven one of the little ecoboosts.
Ecoboost is a Ford engine.
Post by: b23 on July 14, 2020, 07:23:37 PM
Only available in 2.3l and 2.7l and manual only in the 2.3. Ill pass.exactly my thoughts .way under powered for the size of the rig but that’s getting to be the norm manufacturers think all’s we want in a “truck” is gas mileage. If I wanted gas mileage I’d by a Hyundai speed bump
Same here probably a gutless V6 like the Toyota motor with the eco crap on it. I had a Toyota 4 runner with eco boost V6 and it was a dog. And a 2.7L with 35 inch tires, BS
Another person who has never driven one of the little ecoboosts.
Ecoboost is a Ford engine.
My daughters MKC has the 2.0 Ecoboost, I think it's 240hp/270 lb-ft torque and 6 speed auto. I haven't driven it but maybe a handful of times but I was actually pretty impressed with the power of it.
The new Bronco with something like the V8 5.0 Coyote engine would have had a higher cool factor but I don't think that 2.7 will be all that bad.
I had this conversation today with a buddy of mine. The top model loaded up new Bronco will probably be somewhere around $70K. You can probably get a pretty nice restored Gen 1 Bronco for 70K. For me, I'd rather spend 70 grand on a nicely restored Gen1 and I'd bet it'll hold its value better too.
Post by: Zardoz on July 14, 2020, 07:35:53 PM
Well, what do you know. Leaked pictures unveil the production version targeted at a certain segment of the population.
:chuckle:
I also noticed that the horse's butt is up in the air.......... :chuckle:
Post by: Magnum_Willys on July 14, 2020, 07:46:55 PM
Post by: spoonman on July 14, 2020, 08:00:45 PM
Ford dropped the ball on this. Putting such a small power plant in a American classic redo is ridiculous. This thing is screaming for a 5.0! Not a Jeep killer and never will be.
Have you ever rode in their competitor (Wrangler)? Trust me, the 2.7 is far more potent. I own a ‘15 with the 3.6 and that thing is a gutless wonder.
I never mentioned a thing about the Jeep being a hot rod. I simply think they could of offered another power plant for it. The early bronco offered a 289 (V8) so if they are going to bring it back why not do it some justice and offer it with a V8 ?!
Post by: Jellymon on July 14, 2020, 08:55:49 PM
Post by: jackelope on July 14, 2020, 09:06:16 PM
The 3.5 L ecoboost would be perfect for the lil bronco. Never mind the twin turbo. Drove the single turbo 3.5L in new f-150 and it hit 90 mph in 4th quite rapidly. It had 6 gears left !!!!
The 3.5 ecoboost are all dual turbos.
Post by: jackelope on July 14, 2020, 09:09:14 PM
Ford dropped the ball on this. Putting such a small power plant in a American classic redo is ridiculous. This thing is screaming for a 5.0! Not a Jeep killer and never will be.
Have you ever rode in their competitor (Wrangler)? Trust me, the 2.7 is far more potent. I own a ‘15 with the 3.6 and that thing is a gutless wonder.
I never mentioned a thing about the Jeep being a hot rod. I simply think they could of offered another power plant for it. The early bronco offered a 289 (V8) so if they are going to bring it back why not do it some justice and offer it with a V8 ?!
Emissions standards. Fuel economy.
The 2.7 makes more power than any engine a bronco ever came with, it just doesn’t sound right. Really that’s all it comes down to. I’m not a big promoter of the 2.7 ecoboost, but for those of you who haven’t driven something with that engine in it, it’ll surprise you. It won’t sound right, but the power it makes will surprise you guys.
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Post by: throwingsticks on July 15, 2020, 02:59:10 PM
I am not a Ford fan, but this one has me interested...
Post by: Angry Perch on July 15, 2020, 03:12:49 PM
Post by: Bigshooter on July 15, 2020, 03:21:58 PM
The 3.5 L ecoboost would be perfect for the lil bronco. Never mind the twin turbo. Drove the single turbo 3.5L in new f-150 and it hit 90 mph in 4th quite rapidly. It had 6 gears left !!!!
I have 2 buddies that have F-150's. One has the 5.0 and the other has the 3.5L with the twin turbo. The 3.5L hands down gets up and goes like no truck I have ever been in. The 5.0 is way behind the times.
Post by: jackelope on July 15, 2020, 06:08:46 PM
Does anyone know when they will be at the dealerships?The sport will be in next spring. The other 2 mid 2021.
Post by: spoonman on July 16, 2020, 02:13:26 PM
Post by: huntnphool on July 16, 2020, 03:27:56 PM
Post by: throwingsticks on July 16, 2020, 03:48:48 PM
I’ll bet they come out with a Limited Edition V8 version at some point.I would bet a raptor edition with the 3.5 eco boost
Post by: 10thmountainarcher on July 16, 2020, 03:56:42 PM
Hahah it’s suppose to be the Jeep killer right?!?! Hard to do that when the tires on the Bronco say Wrangler!
I read the production models won’t have Wrangler on the side walls. I agree with throwingsticks about the 3.5 being the limited edition.
Post by: bhawley76 on July 16, 2020, 08:11:08 PM
Post by: jackelope on July 16, 2020, 09:28:14 PM
I’ll bet they come out with a Limited Edition V8 version at some point.I would bet a raptor edition with the 3.5 eco boost
Hennessy will do a 2.7 Ecoboost Raptor setup. Just like the Ranger Raptor.
http://hennesseyperformance.com/vehicles/ford/2019-ford-ranger/
Post by: Jonathan_S on July 16, 2020, 10:49:11 PM
Both more than enough. A V8 would be a serious mistake in the modern market
Post by: 10thmountainarcher on July 16, 2020, 11:13:54 PM
Post by: huntnphool on July 16, 2020, 11:30:11 PM
Hahah it’s suppose to be the Jeep killer right?!?! Hard to do that when the tires on the Bronco say Wrangler!
You mean the Jeep is all that and a bag of chips? :chuckle:
https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,171143.msg2261852.html#msg2261852
:rolleyes:
Post by: Magnum_Willys on July 17, 2020, 08:00:19 AM
People who are talking about a V8 in the new Bronco must not have experience with the 2.7 or 3.5
Both more than enough. A V8 would be a serious mistake in the modern market
Add turbos not cylinders.....
Post by: Jonathan_S on July 17, 2020, 08:03:01 AM
Post by: jackelope on July 17, 2020, 09:23:52 AM
Anyone have experience with Fords X-plan as far as purchasing goes?
Plans almost mean nothing anymore. Too much competition due to online purchasing. You can probably get a better deal just shopping around online.
The dealer has to agree to participate, which will likely be the big challenge to buying a new Bronco. They’ll all have second stickers on them and they’ll be flying out the door and the dealers won’t need to participate in X plan purchases to sell them.
My thoughts anyway.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.motortrend.com/news/2021-ford-bronco-xplan-pricing-discount/amp/
https://www.fordpartner.com/partnerweb/jsp/howitworks/fordpartner_rules.htm
Post by: Stein on July 17, 2020, 09:32:52 AM
Agreed. Unless it wants to compete against the 1999 Dodge Durango
My first car had a 403, it got 7 mpg and cornered like a battleship. It also didn't want to start all winter. I'm not thinking that is the pinnacle of automotive perfection.
Post by: Jonathan_S on July 17, 2020, 09:36:12 AM
Post by: Alchase on July 17, 2020, 10:22:32 AM
Post by: Fl0und3rz on July 17, 2020, 10:30:09 AM
Agreed. Unless it wants to compete against the 1999 Dodge Durango
My first car had a 403, it got 7 mpg and cornered like a battleship. It also didn't want to start all winter. I'm not thinking that is the pinnacle of automotive perfection.
Apples and oranges. Nobody is expecting anyone to drive around the Euroweenie 2.7, but use Armstrong steering. Probably snap those wrists clean off.
:chuckle:
Be excited about the new Bronco if you want. I am. I would be more excited about it with an option for one of their newer V8 engines, for less complexity and durability. I am not saying they should shoehorn in the new 7.3.
But I am not saying that nobody should.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on July 17, 2020, 10:30:40 AM
Jeep is putting the 450 Hp, 392 V8, in the Wrangler Rubicon.
Now see. What is wrong with a little friendly competition in this market.
Post by: Stein on July 17, 2020, 10:53:19 AM
Sure, a V8 sounds better and if that's important then a guy should go for it. If hp and torque are more important, in Ford's lineup for large production vehicles the smaller engines have more torque, hp, towing capacity, mileage, ....
A few guys will want a big engine over anything else, but the majority - vast majority will prefer something with more power and mileage. Look at the F-150s, way more V6s sold than V8s, last I saw less than 25% of them went out with V-8s. With diesel option now, that percentage will drop even further.
This comes from someone that has a V-8 F-150, I bought used and was agnostic on engines and it's what I ended up with. I can't make an argument that it's the best option at all. It might have lower cost of operation over the long term, but we'll see. It does sound good though! I have a few less mpg and a shade less power.
Post by: 10thmountainarcher on July 17, 2020, 10:54:34 AM
Jeep is putting the 450 Hp, 392 V8, in the Wrangler Rubicon.
If anyone who has driven one of these highway death traps is excited about the 392 going in them, they are crazzzyyyy. Again I own a 2015 unlimited and other then it’s looks, it’s probably my least favorite car of all time. The wife loves it, so it stays, in the garage...
Post by: Fl0und3rz on July 17, 2020, 11:43:09 AM
. . .
Agreed. The point of displacement versus tacking on a bunch of tech and gizmos is about complexity and failure. Even a largish pushrod V6 has fewer failure points than a possibly more powerful VVT, DOHC, turbo'd, 4 or similar smaller V6.
There is no arguing that tech can produce more power and torque from fewer cubic inches. However, unless that power and torque can come with the same durability, reliability, and simplicity, which is a primary purchasing point for a truck far from civilization. I don't want to have to diagnose a failed cam sensor or VVT actuator back in the woods.
The new 7.3 gas Ford is a pushrod two OHV, motor for the stated reason of realiabilty durability and low-RPM torque/power AND fuel economy, and it gets about 150% more MPG than my 460, mostly with tech, but with reliable tech.
https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/car-technology/a26306469/ford-super-duty-73-v8-engine-details-specs/
I think the new Bronco will be great most as a pavement-pounder, grocery-getter, with some occasional towing. In the hills, I suspect it will be leaving people wanting more.
Post by: Stein on July 17, 2020, 11:51:35 AM
Fortunately for all of us is that reliability in vehicles is incredibly improved in only one generation. When I was in elementary school, my best friend's dad had a party celebrating that he flipped 100k on the odometer, people showed up just to see it as nobody believed it actually happened. This was back when it went to 00000.0 and didn't have the extra digit like we do know because nobody ever needed it.
Post by: Sandberm on July 17, 2020, 11:59:57 AM
It looks alright. :dunno:
Post by: Fl0und3rz on July 17, 2020, 12:02:54 PM
Yeah, you're probably right. It will likely be similar to Jeeps, 98% of them drive pavement full time and the other 2% put $10k into them to get what they want.
Fortunately for all of us is that reliability in vehicles is incredibly improved in only one generation. When I was in elementary school, my best friend's dad had a party celebrating that he flipped 100k on the odometer, people showed up just to see it as nobody believed it actually happened. This was back when it went to 00000.0 and didn't have the extra digit like we do know because nobody ever needed it.
I've had a 63 VW Notchback, a 1990 Toyota SR5 with the 3.0 V6, and now a F350 with the 460, all with at least 100K, and all ultra reliable. Some times, old ways are best (except it would kill the 460 to get better than 8MPG once in a while). :chuckle:
There is a place for tech, whiz-bang gizmos, and peak HP and torque at the redline. I love it all. Just not in an offroad vehicle, IMO.
Post by: Jpmiller on July 17, 2020, 04:11:47 PM
I'm excited to see how it does once it's been on the market for a year or two and would really like to end up with one if they aren't all hype.
Post by: bullfisher on July 18, 2020, 10:20:26 AM
Post by: LndShrk on July 19, 2020, 03:59:18 AM
Technically I believe it is a Sequential twin turbo. :).The 2.7 is twin turboed, there ain't lag. 380+ ft lbs under 3000 rpm...its a better curve than the 5.0 yote. Those that think it is not a powerful plant have the 10 speed...you put that tranny in Sport mode and mash it and it pulls from a dig all the way to 5000.
If you want to get technical, it's not a twin turbo. It's a bi-turbo or dual turbo or whatever you want to call it. There's a little turbo that spools at low RPM and a normal turbo that spools up normally. The little turbo eliminates 99% of turbo lag. You can buy an F150 with that engine that would be rated to tow 7500 pounds and will handle it in it's sleep. It's a much more powerful engine than some of you guys think.
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Post by: Fl0und3rz on July 19, 2020, 05:19:41 AM
I dont care what anyone says, the bronco is dope! You can keep your V8 for something that deserves one. I'll take a little diesel in that thing before anything else.. :tup:
Problem is emissions restrictions that make them all but impossible in the U.S., but I agree. Then again, if we are going small diesels, I want a Toyota Hi-Lux.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on July 19, 2020, 08:00:02 AM
I dont care what anyone says, the bronco is dope! You can keep your V8 for something that deserves one. I'll take a little diesel in that thing before anything else.. :tup:Same. Bronco, Jeep, whatever...put a small diesel with some low gears on something that can run the backroads for a few days.
Post by: Jpmiller on July 19, 2020, 08:26:31 AM
I dont care what anyone says, the bronco is dope! You can keep your V8 for something that deserves one. I'll take a little diesel in that thing before anything else.. :tup:Same. Bronco, Jeep, whatever...put a small diesel with some low gears on something that can run the backroads for a few days.
Not quite as off road capable but fine for forest service roads. I really like my diesel liberty except the small size.
Post by: rainshadow1 on February 02, 2022, 10:37:20 AM
Post by: jackelope on February 02, 2022, 12:05:18 PM
https://yakima.craigslist.org/cto/d/cowiche-2022-ford-bronco-sport-big-bend/7440729987.html
That’s the little bronco sport.
Post by: bearpaw on March 12, 2022, 09:02:52 PM