Post by: Katmai Guy on August 06, 2020, 08:52:37 AM
Post by: hunterofelk on August 06, 2020, 09:00:49 AM
Post by: Taco280AI on August 06, 2020, 09:07:49 AM
Post by: timberfaller on August 06, 2020, 09:07:58 AM
Post by: Katmai Guy on August 06, 2020, 09:10:04 AM
For what?
Supposed violations of non-profit regulations.
Post by: magnanimous_j on August 06, 2020, 09:11:14 AM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on August 06, 2020, 09:14:35 AM
Post by: Special T on August 06, 2020, 09:15:27 AM
The suit accuses the N.R.A. and the executives of “violating numerous state and federal laws” by enriching themselves, as well as their friends, families and allies, and taking improper actions that cost the organization $64 million over three years. The attorney general has regulatory authority over the N.R.A. because it is chartered as a nonprofit in New York. She is also seeking to oust Mr. LaPierre and Mr. Frazer, and to bar all four men from ever serving on nonprofit boards in New York again.
The lawsuit alleges Mr. LaPierre spent hundreds of thousands of the organization’s dollars on private plane trips, visiting the Bahamas “by private air charter at least eight times” in three years, according to a summary of the suit. He and his family were often allegedly “gifted the use of a 107-foot yacht” by an N.R.A. vendor and he spent more than $3.6 million on travel consultants, including luxury black cars, over two years. He also is said to have secured a post-employment contract without board approval worth more than $17 million.
Among the numerous alleged violations laid out by Ms. James’s office, some related to false reporting of annual filings both to the state and the I.R.S. Her office also cited “improper expense documentation, improper wage reporting, improper income tax withholding” and failing to make required excise tax reporting and payment, among other issues.
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 06, 2020, 09:24:34 AM
Say what you want but without the NRA we would have less gun rights today thats a given.
...and not near the amount of firearm education that's available to our police and the public. For all of the anti-gun nuts, education for gun owners should be important. But it's not because the end goal is no guns, period (except in the hands of oppressive government and criminals).
Post by: Special T on August 06, 2020, 09:30:37 AM
Not only does the NRA provide education like Pman said, but they are also the major source of insurance and range certification. Taking down the NRA would leave a gaping hole in the gun community. This lawsuit highlights one of my personal issues with the NRA, but that does not mean I want the institution to go away, just change for the better.
Post by: Knocker of rocks on August 06, 2020, 09:34:42 AM
Sounds like the NRA is going to be in for a fight for its life. :bash:
:yeah:
I don’t think we’ll see the dissolution of the NRA, but the brass is in trouble.
Post by: Katmai Guy on August 06, 2020, 09:36:29 AM
Post by: h20hunter on August 06, 2020, 09:40:28 AM
Post by: buckfvr on August 06, 2020, 09:57:13 AM
Post by: LDennis24 on August 06, 2020, 10:38:06 AM
Post by: Knocker of rocks on August 06, 2020, 10:52:34 AM
Says they are moving to dissolve it completely.
She can ask for whatever she wants. It’s up to a judge and/or the BOD and/or negotiations to decide the future of the NRA.
Looks like Wayne and friends are out no matter what. And even their resignations probably won’t spare them tax and criminal liability.
Post by: LDennis24 on August 06, 2020, 11:07:54 AM
"This was a baseless, premeditated attack on our organization and the Second Amendment freedoms it fights to defend. You could have set your watch by it: the investigation was going to reach its crescendo as we move into the 2020 election cycle. It’s a transparent attempt to score political points and attack the leading voice in opposition to the leftist agenda. This has been a power grab by a political opportunist – a desperate move that is part of a rank political vendetta.
Our members won’t be intimidated or bullied in their defense of political and constitutional freedom."
On Twitter
As evidenced by the lawsuit filed by the NRA today against the NY AG, we not only will not shrink from this fight – we will confront it and prevail.
Post by: bearpaw on August 06, 2020, 11:18:59 AM
Says they are moving to dissolve it completely.
She can ask for whatever she wants. It’s up to a judge and/or the BOD and/or negotiations to decide the future of the NRA.
Looks like Wayne and friends are out no matter what. And even their resignations probably won’t spare them tax and criminal liability.
You speak as though the accusations are truths? I'll withhold judgement of NRA leaders until I see/hear the facts from both sides, that's how justice is supposed to work in this country. Given that we are in the final stages of a presidential race there is a good chance a lot of this has been fabricated by a liberal AG wanting to stiffle/weaken NRA support for Trump, I think any halfway intelligent person can see the potential for political maneuvering by a liberal AG, we see the same type of political maneuvering by the AG in this state all the time! :twocents:
Post by: Knocker of rocks on August 06, 2020, 11:20:45 AM
As evidenced by the lawsuit filed by the NRA today against the NY AG, we not only will not shrink from this fight – we will confront it and prevail.
That will likely be decided by the BOD, who will have to decide if fighting Wayne’s fight is worth the risk to the organization.
Post by: timberfaller on August 06, 2020, 11:29:43 AM
Says they are moving to dissolve it completely.
She can ask for whatever she wants. It’s up to a judge and/or the BOD and/or negotiations to decide the future of the NRA.
Looks like Wayne and friends are out no matter what. And even their resignations probably won’t spare them tax and criminal liability.
You speak as though the accusations are truths? I'll withhold judgement of NRA leaders until I see/hear the facts from both sides, that's how justice is supposed to work in this country. Given that we are in the final stages of a presidential race there is a good chance a lot of this has been fabricated by a liberal AG wanting to stiffle/weaken NRA support for Trump, I think any halfway intelligent person can see the potential for political maneuvering by a liberal AG, we see the same type of political maneuvering by the AG in this state all the time! :twocents:
Well said! :tup:
Just look at how long it took and WHO exposed the Floyd videos!! The news cycle in this country doesn't have wheels anymore!! It takes forever for the TRUTH to come out!
Post by: Knocker of rocks on August 06, 2020, 11:44:19 AM
You speak as though the accusations are truths?
It’s a matter of fact that these are criminal accusations against individuals, not apparently against the NRA
Post by: bearpaw on August 06, 2020, 11:52:25 AM
You speak as though the accusations are truths?
It’s a matter of fact that these are criminal accusations against individuals, not apparently against the NRA
That's some fancy use of words, LOL.
These are accusations, I have not seen any info confirming any of the accusations as facts!
Post by: Knocker of rocks on August 06, 2020, 12:20:51 PM
You speak as though the accusations are truths?
It’s a matter of fact that these are criminal accusations against individuals, not apparently against the NRA
That's some fancy use of words, LOL.
These are accusations, I have not seen any info confirming any of the accusations as facts!
That’s not what I said. I said that it is a fact that the accusations are against individuals. The NRA is not accused of any RICO type acts.
Post by: bearpaw on August 06, 2020, 12:22:45 PM
You speak as though the accusations are truths?
It’s a matter of fact that these are criminal accusations against individuals, not apparently against the NRA
That's some fancy use of words, LOL.
These are accusations, I have not seen any info confirming any of the accusations as facts!
That’s not what I said. I said that it is a fact that the accusations are against individuals. The NRA is not accused of any RICO type acts.
OK, I see what you are saying now.
Post by: Bob33 on August 06, 2020, 02:47:34 PM
Says they are moving to dissolve it completely.
She can ask for whatever she wants. It’s up to a judge and/or the BOD and/or negotiations to decide the future of the NRA.
Looks like Wayne and friends are out no matter what. And even their resignations probably won’t spare them tax and criminal liability.
You speak as though the accusations are truths? I'll withhold judgement of NRA leaders until I see/hear the facts from both sides, that's how justice is supposed to work in this country. Given that we are in the final stages of a presidential race there is a good chance a lot of this has been fabricated by a liberal AG wanting to stiffle/weaken NRA support for Trump, I think any halfway intelligent person can see the potential for political maneuvering by a liberal AG, we see the same type of political maneuvering by the AG in this state all the time! :twocents:
You're not suggesting there could possibly be a biased ulterior motive by the AG, are you?
"In June 2016, James attempted to pressure six financial institutions, including BB&T, Berkshire Bank, Citizens Financial Group, People's United Bank, Regions Financial Corporation and TD Bank, into ending its practice of providing financial services to gun manufacturers."
Post by: bearpaw on August 06, 2020, 03:06:31 PM
Says they are moving to dissolve it completely.
She can ask for whatever she wants. It’s up to a judge and/or the BOD and/or negotiations to decide the future of the NRA.
Looks like Wayne and friends are out no matter what. And even their resignations probably won’t spare them tax and criminal liability.
You speak as though the accusations are truths? I'll withhold judgement of NRA leaders until I see/hear the facts from both sides, that's how justice is supposed to work in this country. Given that we are in the final stages of a presidential race there is a good chance a lot of this has been fabricated by a liberal AG wanting to stiffle/weaken NRA support for Trump, I think any halfway intelligent person can see the potential for political maneuvering by a liberal AG, we see the same type of political maneuvering by the AG in this state all the time! :twocents:
You're not suggesting there could possibly be a biased ulterior motive by the AG, are you?
"In June 2016, James attempted to pressure six financial institutions, including BB&T, Berkshire Bank, Citizens Financial Group, People's United Bank, Regions Financial Corporation and TD Bank, into ending its practice of providing financial services to gun manufacturers."
how surprising
Post by: Special T on August 06, 2020, 03:10:40 PM
Post by: Hi-Liter on August 06, 2020, 03:16:48 PM
This will only fuel the people to buy more guns for defense and protection, join the NRA and votes against Biden. It will likely backfire on them. Don't believe me go look at the gun shelves in Cabela's. My 2 cents.
Post by: Lucky1 on August 06, 2020, 03:24:53 PM
I am a patron member of the organization. I know what they have done to help us keep our 2A rights. Our gun laws would be like Canada or some of the European countries with out the NRA.
personal attacks have no place here.
Post by: magnanimous_j on August 06, 2020, 05:48:47 PM
If the NRA leadership is screwing around and doing greedy, illegal and unethical stuff, I want them to be held accountable.
I am a patron member of the organization. I know what they have done to help us keep our 2A rights. Our gun laws would be like Canada or some of the European countries with out the NRA.
Maybe. Maybe not. Those other countries don't have the right to bare arms baked into their foundational documents.
When I was about 13, I wanted to get my first rifle. Neither of my parents were into hunting or firearms, but they weren't against it either so they gave me the condition that I had to take a firearms safety course first. So my buddy and I signed up and took the course at the Gig Harbor Sportsmen's Club. I believe the course was dual-sponsored by the club itself and the NRA.
I still look back fondly on that 2-day class. The classroom portion was a little like the food-handlers permit class that I'd bet at least half of us took at one point. You'd have to be dangerously stupid to fail it. But they grilled up burgers for everyone and introduced me to a world that I love to this day. I do believe that the NRA was the one who donated the ammo to the class, where I learned that I had a pretty decent talent at trap shooting.
But as the years went on, it seemed that the NRA was less and less interested in actual education and training, and WAY more interested in creating fear in their members that all our gun rights would be lost if we didn't send ONE MORE donation to the NRA. Like I mentioned up-thread, its the same model that the televangelists and the prosperity-gospel charlatans preach: Riches are SO close, just send ONE MORE donation of 40 dollars. If you don't, everything is lost.
Its been an obvious scam for years. I'm not even going to get into the Russians (spits on ground) funneling money through it. When guys like Hickok45, who have 5.5 million youtube subscribers walk away, that's a pretty clear sign. We're the ones with the most to lose. If anything, WE should be the one's calling for Wayne LaPierre's head on a stick.
Maybe the NRA can be salvaged, maybe it can't. But either way, there is a gap that will be left that needs to be filled.
Maybe we can do it.
Post by: Lucky1 on August 06, 2020, 06:32:46 PM
Good story. Are you doing anything to help us hang on to our rights?If the NRA leadership is screwing around and doing greedy, illegal and unethical stuff, I want them to be held accountable.
I am a patron member of the organization. I know what they have done to help us keep our 2A rights. Our gun laws would be like Canada or some of the European countries with out the NRA.
Maybe. Maybe not. Those other countries don't have the right to bare arms baked into their foundational documents.
When I was about 13, I wanted to get my first rifle. Neither of my parents were into hunting or firearms, but they weren't against it either so they gave me the condition that I had to take a firearms safety course first. So my buddy and I signed up and took the course at the Gig Harbor Sportsmen's Club. I believe the course was dual-sponsored by the club itself and the NRA.
I still look back fondly on that 2-day class. The classroom portion was a little like the food-handlers permit class that I'd bet at least half of us took at one point. You'd have to be dangerously stupid to fail it. But they grilled up burgers for everyone and introduced me to a world that I love to this day. I do believe that the NRA was the one who donated the ammo to the class, where I learned that I had a pretty decent talent at trap shooting.
But as the years went on, it seemed that the NRA was less and less interested in actual education and training, and WAY more interested in creating fear in their members that all our gun rights would be lost if we didn't send ONE MORE donation to the NRA. Like I mentioned up-thread, its the same model that the televangelists and the prosperity-gospel charlatans preach: Riches are SO close, just send ONE MORE donation of 40 dollars. If you don't, everything is lost.
Its been an obvious scam for years. I'm not even going to get into the Russians (spits on ground) funneling money through it. When guys like Hickok45, who have 5.5 million youtube subscribers walk away, that's a pretty clear sign. We're the ones with the most to lose. If anything, WE should be the one's calling for Wayne LaPierre's head on a stick.
Maybe the NRA can be salvaged, maybe it can't. But either way, there is a gap that will be left that needs to be filled.
Maybe we can do it.
I donate to NRA, GOA, and volunteer at the gun range. I also work to elect pro gun people to serve us in government. I donate to their campaigns. I help people who aren’t registered to vote, get registered and follow up to encourage them to vote. I call the NRA and complain when they endorse feckless politicians like Dean Takko who supposedly has a good record of supporting gun owners, but always votes with the Dems if they need his vote. They let him vote for gun rights when they don’t need his vote so he can pretend to be for us and get re-elected.
Post by: Alchase on August 06, 2020, 06:50:31 PM
If the NRA leadership is screwing around and doing greedy, illegal and unethical stuff, I want them to be held accountable.
I am a patron member of the organization. I know what they have done to help us keep our 2A rights. Our gun laws would be like Canada or some of the European countries with out the NRA.
Maybe. Maybe not. Those other countries don't have the right to bare arms baked into their foundational documents.
When I was about 13, I wanted to get my first rifle. Neither of my parents were into hunting or firearms, but they weren't against it either so they gave me the condition that I had to take a firearms safety course first. So my buddy and I signed up and took the course at the Gig Harbor Sportsmen's Club. I believe the course was dual-sponsored by the club itself and the NRA.
I still look back fondly on that 2-day class. The classroom portion was a little like the food-handlers permit class that I'd bet at least half of us took at one point. You'd have to be dangerously stupid to fail it. But they grilled up burgers for everyone and introduced me to a world that I love to this day. I do believe that the NRA was the one who donated the ammo to the class, where I learned that I had a pretty decent talent at trap shooting.
But as the years went on, it seemed that the NRA was less and less interested in actual education and training, and WAY more interested in creating fear in their members that all our gun rights would be lost if we didn't send ONE MORE donation to the NRA. Like I mentioned up-thread, its the same model that the televangelists and the prosperity-gospel charlatans preach: Riches are SO close, just send ONE MORE donation of 40 dollars. If you don't, everything is lost.
Its been an obvious scam for years. I'm not even going to get into the Russians (spits on ground) funneling money through it. When guys like Hickok45, who have 5.5 million youtube subscribers walk away, that's a pretty clear sign. We're the ones with the most to lose. If anything, WE should be the one's calling for Wayne LaPierre's head on a stick.
Maybe the NRA can be salvaged, maybe it can't. But either way, there is a gap that will be left that needs to be filled.
Maybe we can do it.
I hear what you are saying, I use to be a die hard NRA member. Then after years of the over the top sales pitches to give more and more, the almost daily junk mail, and the phone calls. I had enough and left them.
I can’t think of any other organization that has done more for the gun owners, I do not agree with some of there tactics, and there have been many times I have thought “where is the NRA” when they should have been front and center on many issues.
I have no idea if the NRA talking heads have been squeezing the lemon.
But today listening to that liberal hack AG talk, just turned my stomach.
This is so blatantly political it is sickening. The sad part with today’s political climate, and lack of media as a non-bias “check and balance”, instead they are the flag bearers of the PC liberals. I do not have much hope in the integrity of the legal system.
After my wife and watched this, I told her this my be what brings me back to the NRA!
I am willing to bet there are millions that feel the same way.
Post by: shotguunar on August 06, 2020, 07:35:50 PM
Post by: TooTallMike on August 06, 2020, 08:53:03 PM
(Firearms Policy Coalition)
https://www.firearmspolicy.org/
They've done more for gun rights than the NRA
Nuff said.
Post by: spookgus on August 06, 2020, 09:45:26 PM
Post by: Knocker of rocks on August 06, 2020, 09:57:33 PM
Is it common for a state Attorney General to file civil suits without filing criminal charges?
Yes. But in this case criminal charges may certainly follow
Post by: Fl0und3rz on August 07, 2020, 04:19:05 AM
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QuoteOn Thursday, New York's Attorney General, Letitia James, proudly announced that she had filed suit to "dissolve" the National Rifle Association. She also sued four NRA executives for damages. The basis for the suit is her claim that the NRA has been mismanaging donor funds. She was able to attack the NRA because the organization is registered in New York, where it was first chartered in 1871.
James got a lot of attention with her announcement, but it might not have been what she was expecting. Forward-looking Democrats demanded to know whether she was trying to help get Trump elected. Meanwhile, the NRA, which has been gaining 1,000 new members a day since the "defund the police" movement began, immediately filed a lawsuit against James, accusing her of defamation and seeking to squelch the organization's right to free speech...
It's no secret why James is going after the NRA. First, it was one of her campaign promises when she ran for Attorney General. In an October 2018 pre-election interview with Ebony magazine she attacked the NRA -- which protects Americans' Second Amendment rights -- as a "terrorist organization" (emphasis added).
The reason behind the lawsuit's timing is obvious. The NRA, recognizing the threat a hard-left Biden administration poses to the Second Amendment, vowed to spend tens of millions of dollars to help Trump win battleground states. With his usual pithy flair, Trump spelled out what would happen if James's suit were to succeed:
Just like Radical Left New York is trying to destroy the NRA, if Biden becomes President your GREAT SECOND AMENDMENT doesn't have a chance. Your guns will be taken away, immediately and without notice. No police, no guns!...
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/08/is_new_yorks_ag_going_to_be_the_biggest_nra_fundraiser_ever.html
First of all, I don't understand why this is a lawsuit. If Wayne LaPierre and whoever else is named in the suit committed crimes, why didn't she hand down indictments? Makes zero sense from that aspect, but of course this is just a not-so-cunning stunt. I'll say this for Joe Biden; at least he has an excuse - dementia. In any case the media is in full circle-the-wagons mode around him in covering up what they can and excusing away what they can't. But the stupidity in this move by Letitia James is positively stunning. She calls a press conference to make some sort of major announcement. The propagandists dutifully showed up, fully expecting James to perhaps announce some sort of charges or malfeasance against President Trump, since she and the latest iteration of Manhattan DA Cyrus Vance have been going after him for his tax returns and business dealings, to date, unsuccessfully. But with Americans arming themselves to the teeth in record numbers since the phony pandemic panic and Democrat-fueled and supported rioting and mayhem, this glittering jewel of stupid confirms as truth to a vast MSM audience that she's going to help bring about what Trump has been warning about for months, which that same MSM has been poo-pooing as fear-mongering for equally as long.
However many millions of dollars she thought she could prevent the NRA from spending in swing states, she just provided at least an equal amount in an in-kind donation with that press conference.
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/389503.php
NRA isn't going anywhere, except to reincorporate in a less politically hostile state. As for La Pierre and Co., if they broke laws, then they should face consequences, and they probably should at least for self-dealing and breach of fiduciary duties.
But the suit is likely just pandering to lefties desperate for a win, any win, and is probably a non-starter, which, in today's politically-charged climate, means it will likely have to go to an appeals court to get smacked down.
:twocents:
I still support tge NRA and it's missions of 2A protection and education. They need to clean up their act and refocus on the mission. This sort of stuff happens fairly routinely in large prosperous organizations, I suspect.
Post by: bearpaw on August 07, 2020, 08:43:31 AM
https://www.foxnews.com/media/nra-lawsuit-new-york-judge-pirro
Post by: buckfvr on August 07, 2020, 09:34:55 AM
Post by: magnanimous_j on August 07, 2020, 10:10:37 AM
This is so blatantly political it is sickening. The sad part with today’s political climate, and lack of media as a non-bias “check and balance”, instead they are the flag bearers of the PC liberals. I do not have much hope in the integrity of the legal system.
After my wife and watched this, I told her this my be what brings me back to the NRA!
I am willing to bet there are millions that feel the same way.
So you heavily suspect that the NRA is a fleecing scam and the leadership steals the money to enrich themselves, but you are considering giving more of YOUR money to them anyway because it will "stick it to the libs"?
If someone got frozen in 1990 and just thawed out and I had to explain Trump supporters to them. This is the exact example I would use.
Post by: bearpaw on August 07, 2020, 10:40:13 AM
This is so blatantly political it is sickening. The sad part with today’s political climate, and lack of media as a non-bias “check and balance”, instead they are the flag bearers of the PC liberals. I do not have much hope in the integrity of the legal system.
After my wife and watched this, I told her this my be what brings me back to the NRA!
I am willing to bet there are millions that feel the same way.
So you heavily suspect that the NRA is a fleecing scam and the leadership steals the money to enrich themselves, but you are considering giving more of YOUR money to them anyway because it will "stick it to the libs"?
If someone got frozen in 1990 and just thawed out and I had to explain Trump supporters to them. This is the exact example I would use.
Have any of the accusations been proven to be true? I'm a strong supporter of the NRA and will continue to support them. When and if the accusations are proven to be true then I would expect actions within the org, until proven true, it looks like nothing more than a political stunt to me! The liberals have used false evidence to destroy Flynn and other supporters of Trump, tried to remove Trump from office with lies, why should anyone believe anything a democrat says? Lying democrat politicians are one of the biggest enemies of this country remaining free!
Post by: Special T on August 07, 2020, 11:14:56 AM
This is so blatantly political it is sickening. The sad part with today’s political climate, and lack of media as a non-bias “check and balance”, instead they are the flag bearers of the PC liberals. I do not have much hope in the integrity of the legal system.
After my wife and watched this, I told her this my be what brings me back to the NRA!
I am willing to bet there are millions that feel the same way.
So you heavily suspect that the NRA is a fleecing scam and the leadership steals the money to enrich themselves, but you are considering giving more of YOUR money to them anyway because it will "stick it to the libs"?
If someone got frozen in 1990 and just thawed out and I had to explain Trump supporters to them. This is the exact example I would use.
I took it to mean something different. I was a member in the past. IF this prompts a shake up at the NRA I may join again. Lots of big organizations need a shake up from time to time, and the NRA is past due for one. My hope is that regardless of what happens the NRA will reorganize and focus under new leadership and become stronger and more effective than ever.
Post by: konradcountry on August 07, 2020, 11:41:40 AM
I do recall being SCOLDED here on hunt wa for not supporting the NRA and pointing out that LaPierre was taking a 1.3 million dollar salary and using NRA funds for high end hotels while telling us the organization was broke.
I was accused of not supporting gun rights when none of you know how active I am.
Now it looks much worse than his 1.3 million dollar salary.
Him and his friends were setting up fake contracts which is fraud. That could land them prison time.
This lawsuit is a win/win.
The gun control side will think they scored a tremendous victory when the NRA will just reincorporate somewhere else and with better leadership.
Post by: baker5150 on August 07, 2020, 12:58:27 PM
Attempting to fold the entire organization is where you lose me, this wreaks of political bias.
Remember when the HSUS had their little issues? Insider Embezzlement, Child sex rings, etc.
Still going strong today, fleecing idiots out of millions of dollars every year.
Post by: bigmacc on August 07, 2020, 02:40:48 PM
This could totally backfire, this could exactly be the catalyst that totally blows this election up for the Dems, when people start realizing this is the way to get our guns. In times like this where they want to cut back and even abolish law enforcement in some cases, people are starting to accept the fact that they may need to defend themselves, their families and their property, and that goes for some democrats as well as republicans, stupidest thing ever (IMHO) to bring this up at this time, people are scared already with whats going on in the streets, we are a few riots away from a civil war and some AG wants to dissolve the NRA to get to our guns?........"Hell NO, Not Today". This could be the best thing to get conservatives to the poles this fall in record numbers AND to get some of those middle of the road democrats (that are gun owners) to jump ship. If guys within the NRA did some bad things then they need to be held accountable, but saying your goal is to dissolve the NRA, well, that should be a "rallying cry" for all gun owners, conservative or liberal and if it doesn't open your eyes to democratic agendas, well then, like I have often said, even a blind man can see it.... :twocents:
Post by: ghosthunter on August 07, 2020, 03:00:57 PM
Post by: bigmacc on August 07, 2020, 04:00:28 PM
She is hating who shes told to hate and attacking who shes told to attack. We the people are still half the nation and are grossly under estimated.
You are right about "she's being told" but I think this could go down as the blunder of all blunders regardless of who's pulling the strings, talk about circling the wagons! I truly believe this will be the rallying cry for all gun owners, democrats and republicans, I agree with your statement, "We the people are still half the nation and are grossly under estimated", but I do respectfully disagree with one part of it, I think we are more than half, the silent majority but yes, we ARE grossly under estimated :tup:
Post by: kentrek on August 07, 2020, 06:25:17 PM
And beings politicians these days really only believe what ever it takes to get elected i would think they would fallow suit
If NRA is proven of wrong doing then they need to be held accountable but innocent until proven guilty will be my stance until the smoke settles
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 08, 2020, 10:09:27 AM
Post by: Knocker of rocks on August 08, 2020, 10:13:45 AM
Is that 40% increase in new gun owners or sales? The data of one doesn't correlate to the other.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/record-numbers-of-americans-try-to-buy-guns-11594719000
Post by: bearpaw on August 08, 2020, 04:08:29 PM
This could totally backfire, this could exactly be the catalyst that totally blows this election up for the Dems, when people start realizing this is the way to get our guns. In times like this where they want to cut back and even abolish law enforcement in some cases, people are starting to accept the fact that they may need to defend themselves, their families and their property, and that goes for some democrats as well as republicans, stupidest thing ever (IMHO) to bring this up at this time, people are scared already with whats going on in the streets, we are a few riots away from a civil war and some AG wants to dissolve the NRA to get to our guns?........"Hell NO, Not Today". This could be the best thing to get conservatives to the poles this fall in record numbers AND to get some of those middle of the road democrats (that are gun owners) to jump ship. If guys within the NRA did some bad things then they need to be held accountable, but saying your goal is to dissolve the NRA, well, that should be a "rallying cry" for all gun owners, conservative or liberal and if it doesn't open your eyes to democratic agendas, well then, like I have often said, even a blind man can see it.... :twocents:
:yeah: completely agree, but these are democrats we are talking about, they are so blinded by their progressiveness they lack common sense. I hope they just keep ramming it all down the people's throats, Trump will win and so will other conservatives. More and more people are seeing the color of the liberal koolaid!
Post by: Alchase on August 08, 2020, 07:29:30 PM
This is so blatantly political it is sickening. The sad part with today’s political climate, and lack of media as a non-bias “check and balance”, instead they are the flag bearers of the PC liberals. I do not have much hope in the integrity of the legal system.
After my wife and watched this, I told her this my be what brings me back to the NRA!
I am willing to bet there are millions that feel the same way.
So you heavily suspect that the NRA is a fleecing scam and the leadership steals the money to enrich themselves, but you are considering giving more of YOUR money to them anyway because it will "stick it to the libs"?
If someone got frozen in 1990 and just thawed out and I had to explain Trump supporters to them. This is the exact example I would use.
Wow did you loose your ability to read :dunno:
At no time did I say those words
“you suspect that the NRA is a fleecing scam and the leadership steals the money to enrich themselves”
Are you purposely changing my words, or was that just a brain fart :dunno:
I specifically said I did not like their excessive mail, phone calls, and constant asking for more money. I also said that I have no clue if the higher ups have been squeezing the lemon.
I would appreciate it if you are going to reference something I comment on, that you at least use my own words and keep your weird spin out, thanks.
I am considering joining back up to help fight a blatant political moves by the liberal whack AG.
What’s the mater Mags hit a little to close to home?
:dunno:
:chuckle:
Post by: Lucky1 on August 08, 2020, 08:59:45 PM
Mags. I don’t know if Alchase is a Trump supporter or not, but he didn’t say anything about Trump in his post. TDS much? He also didn’t say what you made up that he said. If your posts and replies were more grounded in reality instead of fantasy you would possibly have some credibility.This is so blatantly political it is sickening. The sad part with today’s political climate, and lack of media as a non-bias “check and balance”, instead they are the flag bearers of the PC liberals. I do not have much hope in the integrity of the legal system.
After my wife and watched this, I told her this my be what brings me back to the NRA!
I am willing to bet there are millions that feel the same way.
So you heavily suspect that the NRA is a fleecing scam and the leadership steals the money to enrich themselves, but you are considering giving more of YOUR money to them anyway because it will "stick it to the libs"?
If someone got frozen in 1990 and just thawed out and I had to explain Trump supporters to them. This is the exact example I would use.
Post by: konradcountry on August 09, 2020, 08:43:17 AM
I specifically said I did not like their excessive mail, phone calls, and constant asking for more money. I also said that I have no clue if the higher ups have been squeezing the lemon.
Yes they were sending letters about how they are broke and then LaPierre gives himself a massive pay raise.
The really annoying thing is that a lot of gun ranges force you to join as a requirement for membership.
Post by: HntnFsh on August 09, 2020, 09:20:24 AM
I was listening to a program the other day that said the NRA is now gaining 10,000 new members a day. I am sure I will sign up again. We need the NRA to clean themselves up. We also need them for all that they promote and support. The NRA is a very powerful lobby for gun owners. I urge you to continue to support them and any other 2nd amendment groups you choose.
Post by: buckfvr on August 09, 2020, 09:33:49 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 09, 2020, 11:08:06 AM
This is so blatantly political it is sickening. The sad part with today’s political climate, and lack of media as a non-bias “check and balance”, instead they are the flag bearers of the PC liberals. I do not have much hope in the integrity of the legal system.
After my wife and watched this, I told her this my be what brings me back to the NRA!
I am willing to bet there are millions that feel the same way.
So you heavily suspect that the NRA is a fleecing scam and the leadership steals the money to enrich themselves, but you are considering giving more of YOUR money to them anyway because it will "stick it to the libs"?
If someone got frozen in 1990 and just thawed out and I had to explain Trump supporters to them. This is the exact example I would use.
Wow did you loose your ability to read :dunno:
At no time did I say those words
“you suspect that the NRA is a fleecing scam and the leadership steals the money to enrich themselves”
Are you purposely changing my words, or was that just a brain fart :dunno:
I specifically said I did not like their excessive mail, phone calls, and constant asking for more money. I also said that I have no clue if the higher ups have been squeezing the lemon.
I would appreciate it if you are going to reference something I comment on, that you at least use my own words and keep your weird spin out, thanks.
I am considering joining back up to help fight a blatant political moves by the liberal whack AG.
What’s the mater Mags hit a little to close to home?
:dunno:
:chuckle:
When quoting you verbatim won't support his narrative, he'll make stuff up. Leftists don't want to speak the truth. They want to spin. That's it. If you expect more than that, you'll soon be disappointed.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on August 11, 2020, 08:03:28 PM
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/tx-ag-paxton-ny-ag-james-move-looks-like-a-terrorist-operation-against-the-nra/
Post by: throwingsticks on August 11, 2020, 08:49:04 PM
I specifically said I did not like their excessive mail, phone calls, and constant asking for more money. I also said that I have no clue if the higher ups have been squeezing the lemon.
Yes they were sending letters about how they are broke and then LaPierre gives himself a massive pay raise.
The really annoying thing is that a lot of gun ranges force you to join as a requirement for membership.
Wait, is that true?
Post by: Special T on August 12, 2020, 09:00:58 AM
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Post by: idaho guy on August 12, 2020, 10:47:23 AM
Says they are moving to dissolve it completely.
She can ask for whatever she wants. It’s up to a judge and/or the BOD and/or negotiations to decide the future of the NRA.
Looks like Wayne and friends are out no matter what. And even their resignations probably won’t spare them tax and criminal liability.
You speak as though the accusations are truths? I'll withhold judgement of NRA leaders until I see/hear the facts from both sides, that's how justice is supposed to work in this country. Given that we are in the final stages of a presidential race there is a good chance a lot of this has been fabricated by a liberal AG wanting to stiffle/weaken NRA support for Trump, I think any halfway intelligent person can see the potential for political maneuvering by a liberal AG, we see the same type of political maneuvering by the AG in this state all the time! :twocents:
:yeah: I'm guessing its political bs at this point
Post by: konradcountry on August 15, 2020, 07:42:46 AM
:yeah: I'm guessing its political bs at this point
There were signs of corruption well before this lawsuit.
You can't run a non-profit and then bill an ad agency for 40k to cover a day of luxury shopping.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/leaked-letters-reveal-details-of-nra-chiefs-alleged-spending